Grip Safety

One more thing to fail in battle.

>>33149784
Much like trigger safeties a grip safety does jack shit to prevent an ND, an AD's are fairly rare enough for it to not be a problem.

>>33150659
Can't this argument be made about trigger safeties?

If it replaces a manual safety is it not "one more thing"?

>>33149784
Scrubs and their insistence on no safeties.

>>33150659
Do you know how a grip safety in a 1911 even works?

>>33150741

Trigger safeties were always a waste. I would be surprised if an ND was ever stopped by one. Anything that catches the trigger will make the gun go off even with the trigger safety.

>>33150741
the "trigger safety" is actually just a drop safety. a drop safety is genuinely useful. grip safeties not really.

>>33150659
Falling for this bait, but if you aren't holding your piece well enough to depress the grip safety, you should just not be firing a gun

>>33149784
It's fucking pointless.

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>>33151035
That's true. One exception is the armscor baby rock (.380 1911). I was going to buy it until I held it in store. The gun is scaled down in size and the grip safety is so high and small that only the softest web part of my hand was touching it. It felt like it could be unreliable.

>>33150984
The idea has always seemed a little suspect to me. "Just the the edge of the trigger getting caught on something" seems like a real fringe case.

Safe action trigger is some kind of crazy marketing triumph.

>>33151570
>be army guy
>crawling through shitty terrain and bushes to flank enemy
>glock trigger gets caught by branch or a bush
>immediately take round to the foot
>enemy alerted
>whole squad killed
>to wounded too escape capture
>get videotaped before beheading
>only words to the camera are
>"glock perfection"
>beheaded

>>33149784
Not sure. I always hated them tho. Disabled the one on my 1911 so I didnt have to use two hands to decock the thing.,

>>33151570
They're really more for making sure the gun wont go off if dropped. having the disengage on the trigger makes sense because its disengaged when you go to shoot without adding a step to the process.

>>33151570

At least on a Glock, the true purpose is to keep the trigger bar from moving (thus deactivating the firing pin and drop safeties). I doubt it's going to stop something from pulling the trigger if debris/whatever ends in the trigger guard.

Bump because grip safeties seem like the best type of safety on a pistol.

Don't practically all Springfield pistols come with these standard?

>>33149784
Well OP, I know these opinions are a diamond dozen, but the truth is, it's a doggy dog world out there and I'd say, for all intensive purposes, the firearms community has just lost its grip on safety.

>>33152447
wow really clever

>>33152429
I don't know, the reason I posted this in the first place is because I was looking at some old pistols like FNs and Astras and was surprised how many had grip safeties when my perception was it was mostly a 1911 or Colt thing.

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>>33152447

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Thanks to the new elite tactical operator pistol trainer airhead community in the handgun self defense world everyone thinks they're infallible and imperfect and all they need is "muh training" shooting at stationary steel targets to be perfect and unfailing with a handgun.

It's why guns now are light trigger and no safety because "hurr duh safety between muh ears" it's absolutely unfathomable that anyone would want any other safety manual or otherwise to provide more leniency in the case of a mishandle or accident.

Not saying that a grip safety is the best or only way to achieve these things but I'm saying the problem is this mentality in general.

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>>33152506
literally 10,000 hours in Wordpress

>>33152539
And perfect *

>>33150659

Has there ever been a recorded instance of a 1911 grip safety failing ever?

>>33152681
There was that guy on arfcom who got in a gun fight and failed to grip his.

>>33152705
it's rarely the guns fault.

>>33152705

Sounds like operator error to me.

>>33152724
>>33152741

That isn't the point. I think he got shot in the hand or something and it didn't actuate.

Personally I prefer a fairly moderate weight striker (pre cocked not fully) or a DA/SA / lem gun over a grip safety.

>>33152744
so...it wasnt the guns fault? Im not sure how you could squeeze with out moving the grip safety bar up in the first place. sounds like he had bigger problems, like being fucking shot.

>>33152787
As far as I know it wasn't the guns fault in terms of a malfunction but some may say it was the guns fault in terms of design.

>>33152798
ya i get that, thats why mine is disabled.

>>33151999
>Holster that doesn't cover trigger
Guess how I know you're a retard.

>>33151999
>be army guy
>have gun in holster because I'm not retarded
>nothing catches trigger because it's in a holster
>everything is fine

>>33152539
Has Buck ever not been a shill?

>>33153002
No

>>33149784
it's an ok addition, but with a manual safety on the gun already some feel it's a bit excessive. I don't mind safeties in general, but what bugs me about the 1911 is that so many fuckers hurt themselves or others trying to decock because the gun seems like it should have one.

>>33153531
Why would it have a decock without any DA option?

>>33152872

I do agree with this but even still, what's the point of the trigger exactly? Just use a normal one.

>>33153744
Muh dangerous cocked hammer.

>>33149784
There's nothing wrong with them, but they're not really necessary. The only reason John Browning put it in the 1911 is because the Army wanted it.

>>33153744
External hammer allows for cocking.

>>33152069
Okay, this makes sense to me.

I cc a XD-s and I like that i dont have to worry about snagging the trigger on something and shooting myself in the leg when holstering it, not that it's something i actually worry about that much as I also cc my G26 sometimes.

>>33150741
A grip safety is more likely to induce a failure than a trigger safety
On the 1911 it is another point of ingress for sand, dirt, and other shit and sometimes it isn't depressed if you hold it a certain way
A trigger safety is hard to fuck up

>>33154674
I thought that was the manual safety.

>>33149784
it's been said before, but it's another part that can fail

i'm sure they served a purpose when they were first implemented, but it's not really necessary now. more of a personal taste thing

>>33152844
Because I joined an Army that doesn't have good Glock holsters?

>>33152844
>>33152872
>weapon drawn ready to assualt
>Hurr your holster
glockfags are retarded,

>take round to the hands (remember, when presenting a pistol your hands and fingers are exposed right in front of you and vulnerable to enemy fire)
>FUCK, fingers/hands are injured but you're still in the fight
>raise pistol to return fire
>squeeze trigger
>it doesn't move
>can't properly grip the pistol with your injured and mangled hands, die because your gun has become a brick since you are now unable to grip it juuuuuuust right

yeah I think we are all better off without this """""safety feature"""""

>>33152705
There's also a guy on arfcom that got into a gunfight, returned fire and reloaded while having injuries to both hands

>>33152041
>decock
>1911
>disabled getup safety

oh I see, you are retarded.

>>33158672

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/988015_My_CCW_Shooting_AAR__Now_with_Moar_Graphic_Pics_on_pg_29_and_30.html

>>33150692
>Much like trigger safeties a grip safety does jack shit to prevent an ND

The trigger insert safety on a Glock is actually a drop safety feature meant to prevent the trigger to oscilate into action from being dropped. The more you know. NOTHING can prevent an ND. dropping your gun is an AD. Attitude creates safety, not mechanical levers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP7J-JNSUu4

This shit is highly unsafe, nay, literally retarded.

>>33158672
>>33158984
>shot in both hands
That seems a rather fringe case, but it clearly happened to at least one guy so point taken.

>>33150788
Outside of SA handgun manual safteies are kinda pointless anyways. Hell Glocks is only for drop protection. If you're going to ND a manual saftey isn't going to stop you. At best it will just delay when it'll happen.

>tfw my 1911 doesn't have a grip safety
Feels good man, I've never felt the need to have a grip safety on it.

>>33157061

No, it was the grip safety.

After buying an SKS, I am convinced a safety needs to be nothing more than a piece of metal that stops the trigger

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>>33161948

Nah, it was the manual safety. Here's Browning's prototype. He was quite pleased with the grip safety alone, and for commercial sales that would've done nicely, but the Army specifically requested a manual thumb safety. Why? Well, at the time, it was so a cavalryman handling a bucking horse could quickly safe the gun and still keep a grip in it without trying to keep from squeezing the trigger while he fought his mount.

Ayep.

Mind you tho, the SIG the Army just picked as their next-gen pistol is also having a thumb safety added to the original commercial design because the Army just likes them and has a place for them in their manual of arms. They're training the grunts how to use them anyway so there's no downside, and the upside is it helps idiotproof the pistols even more. Important in the Army.

>>33158672
Why stop there? If my hand gets hit my fingers are the first thing to get most likely and wont be able to move and press a trigger.
We need liquid detection triggers that pull when blood touches it or just guns that go off when you shake them.

>>33162479
>or just guns that go off when you shake them.

Jennings?

>>33158163
>implying anyone would have their glock out instead of their rifle
Retards these days

>>33162505
Taurus

>>33162571
>implying rifle always has ammo and is always in working condition
Ayyy

>>33162652
>The US Army would assault a position without proper equipment
Here's your (you)

>>33152539
>you need to learn how to ditch your friends and shit your pants in a real gunfight

what did he mean by this?

>>33162685
Education is important https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_San_Juan_Hill

>>33162719
Because it's still the 19th century, right?

>>33163430
Your statement was
>The US Army would assault a position without proper equipment
To which I provided a direct proof that they have. If you were stating that this would never happen in the modern age you should provide a qualifier to do so. It is important to note that even with that qualifier it would still be true, see Humvee usage.

>>33153531
Just put the safety on?
Or remove the magazine and rack the slide before decocking?

>>33158672
The grip safety isn't that crazy or picky. You barely have to push it in disengage it.