http://www.waffen-paar.at/langwaffen.htm

Jesus christ

Fuck Europe and Germans

Just die already

The less krauts the better

What is even the point at that cost?

>be Romanian
>can't have a PSL
>if I punch a katana armed gypsie I go to jail
Someone nuke europe pls

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>>33147979
>>33147986
Thinking about getting the 22lr revolver for plinking....

>>33147975
What's the issue? Are you some kind of poorfag?

>>33148051
>Are you some kind of poorfag?
yes.

>>33148051
>Thinking guns should only be for the rich

Kill yourself pls

>>33148061
>Kill yourself pls
it's typical for euroshits and not just concerning guns. euros will try to elevate themselves from the "poors" every way possible; education, house, car, hobbies etc. Say you swim for recreation. Say your friends swim too. in order to 1up them, now you get a swimming insructor and take professional lessons, paying out yur ass for stuff you can't make use of because you are 50yo and have 40kg of dead weight. it's just small minded people stuff.

>>33148054
Then why are you looking at Beretta shotguns and American imports? Or new guns in general?

>>33148061
>the only guns that exist are American imports and expensive shotguns
Are you merely pretending? Buy a fucking bolt action rifle if you're a poorfag. Or a chinkshit SKS.

>>33147975
You think price is an issue? Then you'll love the EU gun ban next month. Not only are semi auto rifles and magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds going to be banned, internet sales will be banned, new psychological evaluations and medical tests every year, etc
But there is also going to be a special tax on guns and ammo! Praise French socialists and particulary Bernard Cazeneuve and Bruno Le Roux for such progressive and tolerant laws!

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>>33148074
Wanted to attach an image to that post, but forgot.

>>33148072
Being a burger, you probably actually believe this.

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>>33148078
>Being a burger

All these assumptions...

>Buy a fucking bolt action rifle if you're a poorfag.

Wasted money. If anything, OU shotgun would be the right choice.

>Or a chinkshit SKS.
Are you merely pretending? Why inject yourself into this thread when you clearly know nothing about the subject? SKS is ILLEGAL in Austria.

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>>33148092
>All these assumptions...
So are you a shitskin then, or just retarded in general?
>Wasted money. If anything, OU shotgun would be the right choice.
>a rifle is wasted money
Yeah, you're retarded.
>Are you merely pretending? Why inject yourself into this thread when you clearly know nothing about the subject?
About what, exactly? The subject? European firearms? Is Austria in your eyes the entirety of Europe? I have to reiterate this, you are fucking retarded.
>SKS is ILLEGAL in Austria.
Then why not make a thread about Austria?

>>33148108
>link in OP ending in .at
>clearly german language pic in OP
>implying OP is in Austria
>suggest shit to OP that doesn't apply to his country
>backpedal as fuck when called out on it

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>>33148121
>make a thread about Europe
>specifically talk about EUROPE in OP "Don't become like Europe! Let this be a warning to you!"
>think there's any implication that the thread is about Austrian gunlaws
I honestly want to slap you for being this fucking stupid. Seriously.
>implying OP is in Austria
Is this retarded faggot not OP then? >>33148092
I know /k/ in general isn't the smartest board, but holy shit you people are stupid.

>>33147975
>>33148092
>too poor to buy guns
>definitely too poor to shoot guns
lmao. at least you aren't making a AUG IS SHIT, I'M AUSTRIAN SO I KNOW thread for the millionth time.

Don't you have US military pics to jerk off to right now? I don't know how you can multitask this well.

>what is value added tax
>what are import costs
>what is supply and demand

>>33148143
He's a consistent shthead ameriboo. Don't get worked up over him.

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>>33147975
>stupid burgers thinking that Germany = entire EU
top kek! Just two years ago, I was gambling between which one of these to go with. Finally decided on Norinco, as it also came with an adjustable 2-7x scope.

I can still find sub-200€ handguns.

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>>33148076
I don't think that is correct.

First: It's an EU directive - basically a strong suggestion. National legislation will most likely follow the directive, but it's going to be your national law that dictates the details. I don't know from which country you're from, so maybe your country will have a strict legislation coming into force, but certainly we're not talking EU-wide ban here.

Second: the directive does not "ban" semi-auto rifles or large magazines, they will be classified into a so-called "A" category - which is not completely contraband but restricted. National legislation can allow category A weapons for, for example, national security or sporting. And besides, it's a COMBINATION of semi-autos and large magazines that are category A; your average semi-auto hunting rifles with 5 round magazines will be category B, which is less restricted.

As far as I know, the rest of what you wrote about annual evaluations and whatnot are simply not true. Maybe someone suggested those at some point and you misinterpreted it as being already decided?

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>>33148449
This.
Not to mention Finland managed to slip in tons of helpful exceptions, like allowing the countries to give A category licenses for civvies for sporting, reservist and even plain out military activities. People with spoopy mil-style guns and mags will almost certainly get to keep their shit, and they will be grandfathered forwards with old rules.

And like said, the member countries get to ADAPT the directive as a local law, which gives them lots of flexibility. Cuckold countries like France will obviously ban-hammer everything, Finland's barely doing anything at all apparently (there's even rumors of A-cat giving people a chance to acquire real-deal military shit for reservist purposes), and some eastern europe shitholes have already stated totally ignoring the directive.

>>33148449
>>33148474
Wishful thinking. Reality is going to hit extremely hard in a mere matter of days, although you don't look concerned in the slightest, so you probably don't own anything in category B anyway.

>>33148568
If you're going to argue, at least put something on the table other than "no, I'm right".

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>>33148568
You apparently don't know jack shit about the sheer size and influence of the Finnish reserves. Finnish politicians have been amazingly openly opposing the new directive. Just couple days ago in the evening news, the reservist organization's people were proposing the idea of adapting a Swiss-style system, where people could "loan" an actual military assault rifle. Not some puny semi-auto conversion or clone, but actual full-auto RK. People doing that would form these local home defense forces.

And nope, I was quite worried that I'd become an evil villain for attaching a basic 30rnd mag to my Kalash in the near future. The fact that you've been able to buy and sell that shit, not to mention all the old 70+rnd Suomi mags, for several decades without any paper work, has seriously put some heat on the people deciding the future laws. So far, however, it seems that very little will actually change in the end (at least in Winland), and some changes may ironically be for the better.

>Having an external politburo exert globalist influence on a sovereign nation is no big deal goys ugh, I mean guys!
Holy fuck Europeans make me want to vomit. Literal garbage.

>>33148719
says a burger who's been happily embracing the exact same system for centuries now. The local joke is to call EU "the united states of Europe", because it's slowly bordering just that.

>>33147975
>>33147979

Tbh there are always surplus guns you can get for relatively cheap.
Obviously gun regulation in Germany is somewhat strict, but I'm sure you can get your hands on a semi-auto G3 for a reasonable price.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0-J2pYLCvI

>>33148784
>but I'm sure you can get your hands on a semi-auto G3 for a reasonable price.


Lol no. In Austria, ALL semi rifles are by default category A, weapons of war, and thus illegal. A few exceptions have been made for specific manufacturers who petitioned the government to let them produce and market versions of their guns like the Steyr AUG. There are no Austria legal G3 or AK derived rifles.

>>33148808
So bolt action only?

>>33148568
>Wishful thinking. Reality is going to hit extremely hard in a mere matter of days

This. I was thinking about getting a few 33rd sticks and 30rd AUG mags but can't really justify the risk.

>>33148824
bolt guns and the pictured remington police 7615 are category C and can be bought without a license by anyone; they need to be registered though. pump shotguns, functionally identical to the 7615, are category A and illegal though. You can have semi handguns and rifles but you need to apply for a permit and can only choose from a handful of shitty rifles (some 15 rifles are on that list iirc).

>>33147989
The correct spelling is "gipsy", cacaciosule.

Also you're full of shit. Yes there's virtually no civilian CC in Romania, but you can get long guns and even pistols if you manage to endure through the bureaucracy and the inflated prices.

>tfw 30 min range time with a 9mm Glock loaner is ~50 euros in a country with ~450 euros mean wage.

>>33149055
>Also you're full of shit.
>tfw 30 min range time with a 9mm Glock loaner is ~50 euros in a country with ~450 euros mean wage.

yeah, making guns/things prohibitively expensive for the poor/middle class isn't tyranny at all.

Why does yurope have such ridiculous gun and car laws?

>>33149122
nobility being afraid of the plebs, that's why. it's also why the ancestors of Americans left Europe.

>>33149089
Actually I'm half surprised that stuff isn't even more expensive. ROfags certainly don't have the same gun culture other countries have, and a lot of products and services fall into the "EU standard prices with RO standard wages" paradigm.

>>33149152
what do you want, that OA AR-15 for 1750€ is a low tier AR. you can get better guns in the US for 700$.

>>33148808
Time for Anschluss then?

>>33149176
I was specifically talking about Romania, not Germany (or wherever OP pic is from).

But now that you've mentioned it, I want US-tier engagement in heavy industry from small and medium businesses, I want US-tier pride in doing honest work and I want standard US length middle fingers pointed at anyone who would want to make our lives more difficult. Unfortunately, the average EU faggot is happily eating his government-approved bowl of shit and would rather waste away as a faceless multinational drone doing nothing than getting his hands on a fucking angle grinder.

>>33149122
We have better car laws then USA, of which bans some imports???

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>>33149122
>Europe is one country

>>33148074

Are you intentionally spreading misinformation or really that uninformed? If the later, visit Firearms United in Facebook and get actual info about what is going on.

Few bits:
1. There is no gun-ban coming, what is about to be voted in EU-parliament 14th of March is proposed firearms directive, based to which each member country will later adjust its legislation.
2. As it is at the moment (the directive proposal about to be voted) is not about to effect any firearms already owned.
3. According directive capacity of magazine will determine firearm category for semiautomatic small arms that fire centerfire cartridges. The magazine capacity limit is over 10 rounds for rifles and over 20 rounds for pistols - with that sort of magazine attached the firearm will belong to category A. With magazine of smaller capacity the firearm will belong to category B.
3. Category B firearms will be still easily available for basically all kinds of purposes, including hunting, unless legislation of specific member country says otherwise.
4. Category A firearms will still be available, but one must have a valid reason for acquiring it (exceptions include taking part in national defense, sport shooting, collections, museums, use in cinemas/tv-productions etc). Basically just about only notable exception is hunting, which is not listed as a valid purpose.

If government of your own country wants to use the EU-directive as an excuse to disarm its population, you are screwed, but that is because politicians of your country are anti-gun cucks, not due to directive.

Considering the whole thing is invention of French and Italian politicians that intended to make like EU is disarming the people instead of them doing it, the French and the Italians are likely fucked, while nothing will really change in most of EU-countries.

>>33149259
>I want US-tier pride in doing honest
Not going to happen. It is EU custom to try to escape your class no matter how many people you trample underfoot on your way up. And to do that, you need to chow down on your government-approved bowl of shit.

>>33149297
>while nothing will really change in most of EU-countries.

Only that I will become a felon who'll have to hand over his license should I by accident be seen with one of my 14 30rd AUG mags in my AUG or with a 33rd mag in my G19 right? 14x60=840€ in damages.

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I'm from germany, a glock costs roughly about 700 Euros here, although most guns you'll meet on the range are far more expensive and usually have smaller calibers mostly .32 S&W or something like that. Most people who are into guns are really more competition shooters than gun enthusiasts.(like most people who drive cars don' know a motor works).
You can still make some decent deals if you look into used guns, like pic related.

>>33149352
>decent deal
>Ammo pretty much unobtainium

>>33148474

Not all Finnish politicians deserve the credit. Some, like Mr. Halla-Aho have done excellent work for getting exceptions included, but some like Mr. Katainen (who is now trying to take credit, even if he was supporting the first proposal that would have been a complete disaster) showed their true colors as a-holes willing to sell rights off their own country and its people for high paying job in EU-bureaucracy. Voters should remember who did what for the future elections.

The main effort for getting the exceptions have have done by people of various member states working in Firearms United, which will hopefully serve from now on as a strong voice for European owners of firearms.

>>33149288
Only the Czech republic, Switzerland, and a couple irrelevant eastern European countries have laws that aren't borderline tyranny.

>>33149269
Our import laws are strict but as long as you don't live in California you can do pretty much anything you want to your car.

>>33149366
It's not the kind of gun you get for actually shooting it, more because of the historical value.
Also, ammo isn't very hard to find here(due to things like the aforementioned .32), it's just very expensive(21 euro for 50 bullets)

>>33148637

I think you are celebrating too early. We have further battles ahead of us and even if the situation looks positive at the moment, I would not take anything for granted until we have new Finnish firearms legislation sometime in year 2018. IMO we are lucky that the next parliamentary elections in Finland are not going to be until 2019, since the most anti-gun political parties not in the government right now.

>>33149378
>Our import laws are strict but as long as you don't live in California you can do pretty much anything you want to your car.
so can we

>>33148719

This is price of being member of political alliance. The bitter joke is that USA have almost the same thing in much more restictive form of federal legislation. The notable difference to EU is that since EU is political alliance instead of being a country the directive is actually not a piece of legislation, but more of a guideline for adjusting national legislation in each member state.

>>33148784
>semi auto G3
>reasonable price
They're starting at 2k with the turkish clones and from there on it only goes up.

>>33148738
>>33149481
>embracing the exact same system for centuries now
>states are countries
lmao "enlightened" Europeans everyone!

>>33149440
Maybe simple bolt ons but the legislation for engine swaps or FI are prohibitively difficult

What the hell is wrong with our car laws?

>>33149331

Not if you can get your firearms get registered in category A. If your legislation of your own country does not allow that, why not demand changes to legislation?

Existing firearms are about to be grandfathered, so getting them accepted to category A should be piece of cake - unless your own country wants to make it difficult or impossible.

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>>33149545
>but the legislation for engine swaps or FI are prohibitively difficult
not at all, here in the UK you can legally engine swap anything the only legality is declaring it on your insurance.

Don't get me wrong i know some EU country gun laws are miles apart. But when it comes to cars here in the UK especially we're very fortunate, we can import and modify anything.

The strictness only comes to the car having to be 'road legal', i.e the lights work, etc.

Pic related is fully road legal here.

>>33148738
Little bit of difference between culturally similar English colonies and dozens of seperate cultures bucko

>>33149570
>if you're poor, why don't you just get more money and stop being poor?

that'S the sort of argument you are making. Yes, there are about 100 category A guns registered every year here according to the official numbers of the weapons registry but nobody knows who those people are. certainly regular folks don't just get category A gun permits.

>>33149658

And apparently you failed to grasp what I was writing about. When the directive proposal first appeared here in Finland shooters started contacting our members of parliament, minister of interior, minister of defense etc. If you want politicians to do things you have to tell them what you want - in this case with huge number of polite emails that indicate them that citizens have having interest on this matter and what they do with it may show in results of next elections. In addition various organizations representing reservists, sport shooters and hunters etc representing hundreds of thousands of citizens that are their members voiced their opinions on the matter as well and organized meeting with politicians. All this combined with interests concerning national defense (admitted we are at the moment lucky to have rather right-wing government & minister a defense that is not a push-over) got results for which Finnish shooters are not terribly worried at the moment. Did gun-owners of your country do the same?

Plain and simple: National firearms legislation is ultimately a political matter - if one wants to do something about it, one must get involved to politics.

BTW: I am not exactly fan of EU, but blame it only for the shit that it is actually responsible - not for the shit that it is not.

>>33151608
That's not too bad. Everything's cheap as fuck in America, and I suspect the demand in Poland would be a tiny fraction of what it would be in America.

>>33151654
23% of the price is VAT, it is very bad.

>>33151712
Is it 23% on all goods, or just on guns?

Here in Australia it's just 10% on all goods (except essentials like vegetables and toilet paper); only some things are taxed higher, like cigarettes and alcohol. As far as I know, firearms are just 10%.

>>33151788
Basically on everything that isnt food.

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>>33147975
welcome to Austria, where 99.99999999% of semiauto longguns are banned!

here is a list of the legal ones!

Beretta Cx4 Storm, 9 mm Luger
Brügger & Thomet BT96 und BT96K Austria, 9 mm Luger
Brügger & Thomet SPP Austria, 9 mm Luger
FN BAR (Browning BAR II), .308 Winchester
H&K 630, .223 Remington (die Version ohne Mündungsfeuerdämpfer!)
H&K 770, .308 Winchester (die Version ohne Mündungsfeuerdämpfer!)
H&K SL6, .223 Remington
H&K SL7, .308 Winchester
H&K SLB 2000, .308 Winchester
Hera Arms The 15th, .223 Remington
Marlin Camp Carbine, .45 AUTO
Marlin Camp Carbine, 9 mm Luger
Merkel SR1, .308 Winchester
Oberland Arms OA10, .308 Winchester
Oberland Arms OA15, .223 Remington
Remington Woodmaster, .308 Winchester
Schmeisser AR-15, .223 Remington
SIG 550, .223 Remington, Kempf Zivil Match Austria (Guntec/Hiendlmayer)
Steyr AUG-Z, .223 Remington, 9 mm Luger
Steyr SPP, 9 mm Luger
Winchester 100, .308 Winchester

that's all folks

>>33151821
That's pretty high for a regressive tax.

Sounds like it's time for a revolution!

>>33151846
>legal ones
Lucky bastard...

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>>33151869
where are you from my fellow bruder?

but don't forget
you can only own 2 of them at the same time

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>>33151905
Australiereich-Emungarn.

Basically no semi-auto long-arms allowed here.

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>>33152003
ah, Mr Kängeru
our countries are always getting mixed up

> no semi autos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRNvXv1J84A
?

>>33152087
Technically they're legal, but you have to be employed in a profession that requires them to own them. For the average sport shooter, they are not allowed, and there are only about one or two dozen people per state that would have a licence that would allow them to purchase a semi-auto rifle.

So we have approximately 800,000 people with firearms licences in Australia, with maybe like 80 allowed to have any sort of semi-automatic centrefire rifles.

Semi-automatic rimfire rifles (like a .22LR) are in a lower class, but still the number would be in the hundreds who'd be able to own one.

>>33147975

AR-15s are ridiculously expensive in Europe because we have no European manufacturers targeting low tier market.

When you import $700 gun to EU it becomes 1000€+ gun.

Pistols aren't that expensive even with our 20%+ VAT rates because there are plenty of European manufacturers churning out cheap shit and then there's milsurp and Chinese knock offs.

Couple a years ago you could get brand new Zastava CZ999 (Sig P226 clone) for less than 200€.

>>33151712
That's not too bad considering what it takes to import firearms in the US.

Face it man, that's a fair price.

>>33151821
Oh... Well, in that case, I'd say the gun import laws are pretty good!

>>33149297
>the French and the Italians are likely fucked
Nothing will get done before this summer when a right wing parliament gets elected here in France, I guess not much is going to change.