Cartridges.

>>33143245

270WSM

>>33143245
5.7x280

>>33143245
.338 Lapua

>>33143245
6.5 Creedmore

>>33143245
.308
modern loads are comperable if not better than 30-06 and arent as heavy and use less brass, and powder.

>>33143565
Evey one has been correct so far except this guy. You just had to kill the streak.

7.62x54R.

Been service for 126 years. Pretty sure .30-06 got replaced.

>>33143565
>comparable if not better

lol no

>>33143245
5.45x39.5

>>33143245
.284 Winchester

>>33143586
Good cartridge, but .30-06 has more power and case capacity.

>>33143245
10mm

>>33143245
>>33143245
>he doesnt have 300 rounds of M1906 ball
lmao what are you chinese?

>>33143502
Nice meme.

>>33143586
The only reason it's still in service is because the users are too poor to afford anything else.

>>33143637

True, but the 54r has excellent feeding and extraction characteristics due to its taper and rim. While it is certainly not the best cartridge for infantry semi-automatics. Its easily one of the best for belt fed machineguns.

>>33143793

Ahh so its cost efficient as well. Chalk up another for 54r.

>>33143245
30-30

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>They will never make a belt-fed GPMG chambered for .300 WinMag

>>33143245

>.308

.22 LR
9mm kurz
9mm Luger
.357 SIG
10mm
.357 Mag
.223 Rem
.308 Win
.454 Casull
.300 Winmag
.338 Lapua
.408 Chey
.50 BMG
20mm Vulcan

7N6 (5.45)

>>33143810
The Soviets did make some excellent machine guns.

How does the taper help with feeding or extracting?

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>>33143245
500 magnum.

Equal muzzle energy(8" revolver vs 20" rifle)
More compact firearm
Lighter firearm
Can CCW
Dat 50 cal
Dat 645gr hollow point garbage can.

>>33143565
this /thread

>>33143869
I love that as an idea.

It should be touted as a do-all precision rifle too, with like a G3 roller delay action.

Like that one HK LMG.

>>33143637

Honest question, is there any animal that will notice the difference between the two? Is there any animal you would hunt with a hot-loaded .30-06 that you wouldn't with a .308?

>>33143276
Does anyone here have experience reloading 270wsm? What's your favorite powder and bullet grain combo?

8mm Mauser
better in basically every way

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7.5x55 Swiss Gewehrpatrone 11

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8x57

>>33143276
my black humanoid of earthly origin

>>33143565
Comparable, if the comparison is that it's worse at everything other than fitting in a short magazine.

>>33143984
Straight wall cartridges get stuck if they're dirty or there's shit in the chamber. .223 ARs have this problem and you'll need to beat a case out of the chamber with a dowel occasionally. .30-06 machine guns were often over gassed to the point that the extractor could rip the head off a case that gets stuck in a fouled chamber. A tapered case doesn't have to travel very far at all to free itself from the chamber, so case head separation and extractor break-away happen less often.

>>33144232
Considering standard loads for .30-06 and .308 only differ by about 100-150 FPS when using the same weight bullet I'm gonna say "no". I see nothing wrong with .30-06 but nowadays there are more modern semi-autos chambered for .308 / 7.62x51 and I can find buckets of cheap, once-fired Lake City 7.62x51 brass for reloading. At the ranges I hunt / shoot (300 yards and under, rarely out to 400 yards) there really isn't a discernible difference between the performance of the two cartridges.

>>33143565
Comparable in 1950 maybe

>>33144232
>>33148156
Yeah, anything from Elk on up. 150fps and 40gr helps on tougher animals.

>>33143565
Lol, you find me a load manual that will give you 2500fps with a 220gr bullet for 308

>>33144232
>>33148156
A hot loaded 30-06 can get really close to 300wm, a hot loaded 308 can get real close to factory 30-06

>>33144232
>Honest question, is there any animal that will notice the difference between the two? Is there any animal you would hunt with a hot-loaded .30-06 that you wouldn't with a .308?

Not really, there is a vid of some russians on a snow machine hunting a polar bear and hitting it with a 5.45x39. the poor fucker was hit in the spinal cord and lost function of his legs immediately. it was flailing on the ground like a baby until they shot it through the lungs and it started squirting blood like a geyser. vid is too long and has sound to be posted on this cheap ass chan. 300 03 338 wm is only really needed when you are hunting goats in the mountains and need the range and wind stability of a bigger, flatter shooting bullet.

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22LR
>light >cheap >can be bought in bulk >you only need a few to stop a foe >can go through car doors >conversion kits are plenty >hollow points >all around fun >easily suppressed
These are more versatile do better normies

>>33148460
It's not legal to hunt any game animal except for squirrels with a rimfire cartridge in my state.

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7.92x57

>>33144992
8x56r

>>33143245

6.5x55 Swedish

>>33144992
This. Greatest of all time.

>>33143245
t. Fudd

>>33143810
Taper, yes. Rim, no. The whole "the rim makes le PKM more reliablez" is a meme. Rimmed cartridges have been obsolete since WWI, the Ruskies are just poor.

>>33148537
Then the problem is not with the round, but with your state.

>>33143245
.270 Winchester. Flatter trajectory and less wind drift.

thinking it's not 300 WSM

wish I had some patience. would have preferred good old fashioned winmag but the wsm was already there in the shop and had a good scope

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>>33143245
6.5x50sR

>>33143245
5,45x39mm

7.62x39

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>>33143245
6.5 Jap.

>>33143245
.31-07

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22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer master race

>>33148397
show me a 30-06 load that will fit in a short action

Also, 208gn hornady a-max, 43.7gns of cfe 223. 2500fps.

But oh man, 30-06 is so much better because that bullet is 12 grains heavier.

>>33143276
Fudd
>>33143340
>x280
What's that? A super short antitank round?
>>33143392
A tad strong for everyday hunting etc.
>>33143502
Snowflake operator
>>33143565
Has a point
>>33143586
Has a point too
>>33143633
Enjoy being unable to kill targets beyond 500 yards
>>33143636
Fuddx2
>>33143838
Massive hillbilly fudd
>>33143902
The "I can count to potato" kid
>>33144559
No, the 8x57IS flies not as straight as the .30-06
>>33144588
The round that's so good that nobody outside Switzerland ever used it
>>33144992
Still not as straight as .30-06
>>33148460
If you can machine gun a target, then yes
>>33148540
It's getting boring
>>33149618
Dat edge
>>33149647
Good round
>>33153387
t. Elmar Fudd
>>33154113
Muh snowflake
>>33156073
Oh you're serious? Lol

>>33157389
>heavier bullet at same speeds with a shorter case
>reduced weight loads are about the same in terms of trajectory
The ONLY problem is no 8mm Mauser PINGerator.

>>33143245
Whats with the boners for 8mm mauser? What does it do that .308 doesnt do better?

>>33157488
Heavier round that goes faster with minimal size difference.

If I don't have 8mm I go with 7.62 NATO.

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>>33148365
you realize that 30-06 is older than .308 by roughly 50 years right?

>>33157389
We're hitting levels of fudd here that shouldn't be possible.

>>33157500
*bullet.

>>33157514
Wait until the euro fudds wake up and shitpost here too..

muh

>8x86S
>7x64
>9.3x64

.25-06 "Zip Zoop"

920+ m/s

muh dick

243

>>33157504
You do realize that 7.62x51 was made to mimic .30-06 and that those days are long past so some people a d manufacturers actually use the extra case capacity

>>33157586
>9,3
makes thuddy ought look like a skinny manlet

>>33157290
>muh short action
...

>12 grains heavier
more like 42.

you can't cheat physics m8. more case capacity = more powder.

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>>33157389
>6.5 swede is a good round
>6.5 CM and 6.5 jap are memes

>>33157389
>Enjoy being unable to kill targets beyond 500 yards
Yea, I'm sure that'll be a concern for me at some point.

Dipshit.

>>33143245
>faggot says we cant find better cartridge than 30-06
my blackpowder 45-110 sharps is supreme round.

>>33143245
8mm-06

>>33159868
Mostly because that heavy 45 bullet with 110 grains of 2fg goex and lambs tallow beeswax lube in the bullet grooves. Ive hit up to 1,000 yards with it before. Damn near a billy dixon shot

>ITT; Fudds pretend their nonstandard wildcat hunting loads are relevant
The .30-06 is ballistically obsolete. So are the case dimensions.

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glorious turdy turdy

It is the greatest round in the sense it does exactly what it is supposed to; and nobody expects more of it unlike half the meme rounds listed in this thread.

A humble cartridge that dindu nuffin.

>>33159985
>for hunting
Hell no.
I mean, shit, all this stuff is fine for that but...I mean, come on.
It's pretty much 30.06 versus 8mm Mauser: the thread.
>>33160048
So what's it like having 7.62x39 with a fucking rim?

>>33160064
This is also a meme. Look at ballistic charts. the old /k/ addage of 7.62x39 = 30-30 is so false its laughable.

>>33160064

> .30-30 is exactly the same as 7.62x39

120gr at 2300fps is not the same as 160 at 2400. That's a 33% heavier slug at the same cross section.

>>33160064
>>33160133
>>33160118

heh destroyed

>>33157245

The only round that can make your ear prolapse

>>33159896
>using Goex
>not swiss
Fucking casual.

7.63x25 Mauser

Gotta go fast

>>33160133
I wouldn't say .30-30 is EXACTLY the same, but they seem to be not terribly far off.

>150gr .30-30 from 20" barrel
2330 ft/s
>130gr .30-30 from 26" barrel
2700 ft/s

>123gr M43 7.62x39 from 20" barrel
2411 ft/s
>154gr 7.62x39 from 16.3" barrel
2104 ft/s

Max pressure (SAAMI)
>.30-30
42,000 PSI
>7.62x39
45,010 PSI

I believe most people who shoot .30-30 do so out of rifle-length barrels around 20" or more. Most people who shoot 7.62x39 do so out of, generally, 20" barrels AT MOST. So this needs to be taken into account. All in all, I wager that .30-30 has more case capacity, and is generally loaded a little bit hotter than 7.62x39, BUT, I think the difference would likely be so marginal that it would practically be negligible. Much like .303 vs .308. Yes, .308 is typically a LITTLE bit hotter, but all in all it's so minute that there's not any practical advantage ballistically in using .308 instead of .303. Note that I said BALLISTICALLY. Of course the .303 being rimmed, I would understand if most people leaned towards the more modern rimless .308 cartridge that has more than just 2 typical rifle designs (Lee and Ross) to shoot it from.

>>33159199
>He thinks war is urban

Okay

I'd say a 149.1 mm x 260+ HE/APHE/APDS would probably get whatever job you needed done.

>>33143245
105mm, the obvious choice

>>33143245
20x82 fucking mm

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>>33160310

Ok mr uber 5cout 5n1per man

>>33160298

> 150gr 7.62x39

Let's ignore that you're going to need a custom barrel twist to stabalize the extra bullet length. I have never seen store bought ammo in that weight. Where are you getting that ammo?

.30-30 case capacity is 44gr vs 7.62x39 at 37gr.

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577/.450

>>33157586
,358 Norma Mag master race reporting.

>>33160274
Fuck off i can never find swiss. I would use it if i could

45-70

>>33143245
.45 Super or 12.7x108mm

>>33167156
On a scale from 1 to Glock, how badly would .45 Super fuck up my M1911A1 Mil Spec?

>>33143793
>UR p00r
>U cant aff0erd stuff

.577/.450

>>33152083
>#REKT

>>33167173
A lot probably. Record video shooting it and check back.

>>33157389
>Fudd

270WSM is a shortened .270win with enough powder and pressure load to be .300WM performance, except nobody knows when the last time any fudd cared about ballistic coefficient.

>>33167173
it'll be fine in limited use. a high round count and it's going to smash up barrel lock up.

20x138mm
fite me

>>33143276
My .270WSM Tikka has been absolutely wonderful, can confirm this is a great round

>>33143963
Dumbass. Not even Russia uses the shit anymore.

416-06

>>33143245
6.5 Carcano

>>33143245
.30-06 is a fantastic hunting round if you're going for larger game. 7.62x63, that is DAMN meaty, and offers quite a lot of space for powder. So much space that the original M2 Ball .30-06 had a lot of wasted space in its casing due to being limited to 150gr at 2800 ft/s from a 24" barrel, which wasn't as hot as s.S. Patrone 1934 8mm Mauser (7.92x57) which had a casing over half a centimeter shorter. 198gr at 2500 ft/s from a 24" barrel. If you took an M2 Ball cartridge and filled the rest of the casing, I wouldn't be surprised if that 150gr projectile was then sent flying at over 3000 ft/s from a 24" barrel.

So if your aim is to hunt something big, but you didn't quite want to hunt with a magnum rifle round like 7mm RemMag or .300 WinMag, then .30-06 is probably the best you're going to get. The thing is though, there is no one cartridge that is 'the best'. Is .30-06 the best full-sized/non-Magnum rifle cartridge that is commonly available on the market, for hunting big game? I'd say yet, in that one niche genre.

If your aim is to use a cartridge for Military purposes, then 7.62x39 would be better. It weighs almost half as much per wound, has less recoil, the casing is almost 1"/2.5cm shorter allowing for more reliable ejection and a shorter action/lighter firearm, and it's still accurate to about 400m or so which is just fine for most Military purposes. It can also be used to hunt stuff like deer, or if you're a good enough shot, potentially even moose or black bear. Brown bear though... ehhh... I'd reeeaaaaaally want something more potent, like a .30-06. Bears aren't typically used in the Military however, thankfully. Well of course except for the famed Canadian Polar Regiment. What better to use in a Cold War than animals that love the cold?

Then of course for concealed carry self-defence... yeah... .30-06 is about as far from ideal as you can get. For concealed carry, you're going to be limited to much smaller cartridges.

>>33170158
Yes, in that one niche genre*

>>33160487
>Let's ignore that you're going to need a custom barrel twist to stabalize the extra bullet length. I have never seen store bought ammo in that weight. Where are you getting that ammo?

I remember seeing some Tula-made 7.62x39 180gr SPs for sale once.

>>33171490
Yeah, its sounded like BS to me, but I didn't want to say anything. Besides, 123gr 7.62x39 has a steel core in it, which is lighter than lead. FMJ lead bullets with no steel would be heavier. I'd say making it soft-point would further make it heavier since some of the FMJ is being replaced by the heavier lead. But I don't know much about reloading 7.62x39, only .303 and .30-06, so I can't really comment with any amount of authority.

>>33172027

Barnaul SP, HP, and Hornady SST are all 123gr. Since most AKs are 1-in-9 twist, I assume this means all the bullets have similar lengths.

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>>33172027
154 grain 7.62x39 is a thing

>>33172186

Different anon. Neat, did not know this was a thing.

Based on youtube vids, I'm impressed they can keep that heavy of a bullet within 200-300 fps of .30-30.

Ammoseek isn't showing anyone but Tula making this though. Any of the animal manufacturers make this stuff?

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375 H&H Magnum

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Dunno, but 7.7 Jap seems pretty decent for a WW2 cartridge...

>>33174289
Pretty par for the course. It was actually a fairly large mistake going from 6.5 to 7.7.

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>>33143245
>.25-06
ez

>>33143245
.22short.

>>33172573
Wish I knew man, I'd buy the fuck out of it

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>>33174326
It was for ammo availability i think once it became apparent they were losing they switched their rifles to use the same ammunition as their MGs to save time on production and easier supply to the front.

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>>33143245
.280 Ackley

>>33161530
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>>33175885
nah not true.

They were producing type 97 LMGs and I forget the HMG designation, but they both use 6.5 Jap.

They switched to the 7.7 Jap round in the type 99 rifle, type 99 LMG and Type something HMG because they needed their machine gun fire to reach out further to hit British and American troops.

>all these commiefag and natoqueer tards picking .308 and other cuck rounds

>>33157389
>that one faggot that has to respond to everyone in the thread

We get it, you're an attention whore. A retarded one too because a lot of the shit you just said is wrong

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>>33143245

7mm STW is far superior. .30-06 is poorfag plebian tier.

>>33143245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbyQultvtNI

7.62x51 real fucking NATO

>>33156073

it's like they were squinting when they designed it or something

>>33178149
That ridiculously long length though.

>>33167188
Mother fucking kek

>>33175104
Most underestimated round out there

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