GLOCK Protests XM17 Modular Handgun System Award

>>33138992
Good, Army should've adopted Glock way back in 1985 instead of the shitretta 92. We don't need SHIT Sauer giving us gay handguns.

Glock is literally perfection

>>33138992
>actually wanting the 320

Holy fuck really nigga

Aren't protests after military procurement trials pretty standard?

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Who cares? Glock will get the XM25 Modular Plasma Pistol System contract with the Glock 86

>>33138992
Fuck Sig. Overpriced shit.

>>33139031
Yes. Any contract worth that much is going to have losing bids dispute the winning choice

>>33139016
>better ergonomics
>better trigger
>no finger grooves
>actually modular as was requested

Literally no reason to pick a Glock over it other than its slightly higher bore axis, which doesn't even matter given proper grip

>>33139006
They're good for cops, I'll give it that, but should be no where near Army

ICE already accepted them as the official handgun of REMOVE BURRITO so that's good enough for me.

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>>33139006
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>>33139175
The P320 will be our military's next sidearm. This is merely going to delay the actual transition for a few months :^)
>>33139192
>They're good for cops, I'll give it that, but should be no where near Army
Disagree with the first part. Considering how often cops actually have to handle and point their pistols at people, the Glock is a shitty design for that role too.

Calling it the M17 just seems like rubbing it in Glock's face

>>33139278
>Disagree with the first part. Considering how often cops actually have to handle and point their pistols at people, the Glock is a shitty design for that role too.

While I disagree with Glocks being a shitty design for LE useage, I think HK's LEM is easily the best type of trigger for cops considering they point guns at people more than they actually shoot at them.

https://pistol-training.com/archives/8549

>>33138992
its a shame the amry opted for a shitty meme gun, but honestly after being in the army i can say the self destructive nature of the army has on every level, they deserve nothing good.

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Who cares about the side arm? Why the fuck is the Marine Corps adopting the fucking M27? Jesus fucking Christ arent they like 4000 dollars a unit? Why not just pull a Canadian C7 and throw an M4 buffer tube on the M16A4, put a SOPMOD M5 stock on it, make it full auto name it the A5 and call it a fucking day. You would only need like 130 bucks per M16 in inventory to do this
>pic sorta related, basically what I am talking about

>>33139365
They're $3000, not that it's any better.
The M16A5 project was a great idea, but like all great ideas for military arms it was killed before it went anywhere.

>>33139365
>>33139387
What's the M16A5?

I'm surprised S&W actually entered the MHS competition with the M&P. Considering how many police departments have had to send guns back and how many have dropped them because of issues, I imagine they knew they weren't going to make it far.

>>33139419
The M2.0 - S&W's MHS submission - pretty much addressed all of the 9mm M&P's deficiencies, which were mostly accuracy-related. Personally I was rooting for S&W, but the P320 is a decent choice as well. Anything but Glock...not that I believed they actually had a chance.

>>33139408
It was an upgrade system for M16A4s and A2s with gucci vltor components. Free floating monolithic rail and carbine style stock designed specifically for rifle length systems instead of ghetto rigged. Ever see the VLTOR A5? That's the reason it exists.

It still had problems, but it was a huge step in the right direction. But no, why would we ever genuinely upgrade the M16 when we've made it continuously worse since the A1.

>>33139031
I work finance at the corporate level in a company that survives on military contracts.

They're not just standard, they're usually encouraged by everyone, including the winner.

See, say we bid on a contract for X amount of Thing. We don't have the capacity to produce X amount of Thing for the Army in the specified timeframe, and we're not investing in it until we know we've won.

However, we know, and all our competitors know, that there will be protests when a winner is selected.

The four to eight months this will spend tied up in the GAO's red tape will give Sig the time it needs to tool up to filling the order.

That's why you're seeing the first protest come from Glock and not Beretta, who are taking a huge financial hit here. Glock's got the means and the money to fart around arguing with the GAO for eight months, Beretta doesn't.

>>33139450
The M16A2 should have had a CAR-15 stock, thats all they would have needed to make it amazing

>>33139175
>autistic screeching

>>33139474
Well maybe that will encourage Neretta to concentrate on the civilian market more. Not that i have anything particularly in mind, but maybe it will somehow benefit civilian gun buyers

>>33139538
*Beretta

Glock has no modular platform, the fuck do they want?

>>33139365
The M27 has no practical advantages over an M4A1, but marines are snowflakes who feel the validity of their existence is threatened by using the same equipment as the army.

>>33139568
A contract from the DoD worth hundreds of millions, what the fuck does everyone else in this competition want?

>>33139680
They have to make it modular first, bitches love modular.

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>>33139568

> no modular platform

Because modular military equipment is a meme For weapons like pistols, which are essentially irrelevant in combat, you want as much standardization as possible in order to cut costs/simplify logistics.

Adopting a modular pistol is basically giving soldiers a bunch of unnecessary parts that they will either lose or discard in the field. These parts will then need to be replaced by the manufacturer at an exorbitant cost to the military.

>>33139761
they want a gun that they can issue to everyone
grunts need full sized, pilots need compact, MP detective need subcompact

that said, I'm not psyched about the P320
but I don't like striker fired gun or SIGs

>>33139006
Fuck off glockboi. The hoods calling you back.

Are glockfags the antifa/hillaryfags of the gun world? Are they going to start assaulting trashcans at military bases?

>>33139811

> grunts need full sized

Grunts don't need handguns, they have rifles

> pilots need compact

PDW (or Glock 19)

> MP detective need subcompact

Literally 0.00001% of the armed forces and there's no reason they couldn't use a compact.

Glock 19 was the best choice for this contract hands down

>>33139175
they only have to pay $207 per p320. it would have been more expensive to go with glock and they'd be getting a worse gun

>>33139885
Undoubtedly.

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>>33139006
Sigs are cool man
>pic related

>>33139940

> they only have to pay $207 per p320

Right, but the entire kit is $600 per unit because of the retarded modular equipment and over-charing for magazines. Glock was bidding $400 per unit.

>>33139961
huh. why didn't they go with glock then? i thought they went with sig because it was cheaper

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#NotMySidearm

>>33139474
So if Glock DOES win the protesting, then sig is fucked mid-tooling?

And if glock CANT win the protest, why bother?

Does anyone know why the navy is switching from sig p320 to the glock 19?

>>33140133
i meant p226

>>33139892

grunts SHOULD have sidearms though. fuck... I'm bad at typing.

>>33140133
>>33140147
I'm sure cost is a factor, as well as all the other reasons involved in everyone using plastic striker pistols these days. With SIG having won the MHS contract now I'd expect to see as many, if not more P320s in SOF holsters as I would Glocks in the coming years. It'd actually be cheaper, and the P320 does pretty much everything a Glock 19 will do and more.

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>>33139948
>actually falling for this bait

>>33139479
The M16A2 was utter trash period. The C7 was a much better approach, A2 reinforced upper and lower receivers with full auto capabilities, a shell deflector, A2 furniture and A1 sights.

They should've just went with the C7 or C7A1 with a 1:8" twist pencil barrel and a collapsible. Then they could've skipped the retardation that was the A2 and have a full sized 7lb rifle.

>>33140218
>1:8
You were so close to being right.

>>33140242
It stabilizes 55 gr. ammunition much better and they never should have gone to M855 anyway. MK262 stabilizes well enough that it could still be used as well. I've got a 1:7" on my rifle but its not the best twist rate for a 20".

>>33140275
None of that is wrong, but it doesn't change the fact it would never be adopted because of the obsession with shitty tracers that nobody uses.

>>33140106
Just because they filed a protest doesn't mean it's a good protest or that they are going to make any real effort getting the protest accepted.

>>33140171

No they shouldn't. Sidearms should only be issued to officers, MPs, and machine gunners

> sidearms have less utility than a rifle or carbine in 99.99% of situations
> soldiers might be tempted to switch to their sidearm in situations where a rifle would be more practical (which is to say, virtually all of them)
> extra weight for sidearm + extra ammo means less room for rifle magazines in soldiers kit
> extra space required for sidearm ammo means less space for rifle ammo in transport
> small, gives grunts opportunity to lose sidearms
> armorers have to waste time repairing useless sidearms

>>33140106
Finance-Anon here.

There's likely some stageside dealing between Sig and Glock.

"We'll let you pick up this year's contract with this polymer supplier if you file a delaying protest..."

Stuff like that

>>33139892
all U.S. aircraft have mounts for the M4.

>>33139153
UNDERRATED

>>33140346
what stocks should i buy

>>33140626
AMD and biotech futures my nigga.

>>33139450
> back in muh day we shoot with irons fagget.

>>33139961
>retarded modular equipment
such as?

Glocks have no external safeties

Army requires external safeties

Glock is toast

>>33140626
I like magpul furniture, in FDE

>>33140023
Probably because of either the thumb safety or """modularity""" requirement.

>>33143437
Glock has made models with thumb safeties for other nations in the past, and no doubt their MHS submission had one as well. But with the standard safety-less variant being so ubiquitous for so long, and the takedown procedure involving pulling the trigger I can't think of a worse choice for the Army.

>>33138992
Let me remind you who's making this assessment. The same people that said this about the F-18:

>Pursuant to a congressional request, GAO reviewed the F/A-18E/F development program, focusing on the: (1) status of the E/F development flight test program; (2) deficiencies that have been identified to date and corrective actions planned; and (3) current cost estimate for the program.

GAO noted that: (1) the Navy has revised the F/A-18E/F flight test program by decreasing the data collection requirements that were originally planned; (2) program documents state that, although flight testing is behind schedule, program decisions to reduce test points will enable the Navy to regain lost time and complete development testing in November 1998, as originally planned; (3) F/A-18E/F program documents identified numerous deficiencies relative to the aircraft's operational performance; (4) the most challenging technical issue is wing drop; (5) until these issues are resolved through software or hardware changes that have been adequately tested, the cost, schedule, and operational performance impact of resolving these deficiencies cannot be determined; (6) the Navy remains confident that it can correct these deficiencies; (7) in addition, a Navy board that assesses risk areas in the E/F program stated in July 1997, that operational testing may determine that the aircraft is not operationally effective or suitable; (8) a December 1997 preliminary operational assessment report, which is classified and based on limited data and analysis, identified 16 major deficiencies with the E/F aircraft but concluded that the F/A-18E/F is potentially operationally effective and suitable; (9) the Navy has consistently stated that the F/A-18E/F will be developed and produced within the cost estimates established for the program; (10) certain key assumptions on which the cost estimate was made have been overtaken by events;

(1/2)

>>33143575
>(11) program documents state that the current development effort is funded based on the assumption that problems would not occur during testing; (12) unanticipated aircraft deficiencies have occurred, and most of the program's management reserve has been depleted; (13) since the flight test program has about 1 year remaining, it is probable that additional deficiencies will develop; (14) correcting current and potential future deficiencies could result in the development effort exceeding the congressional cost cap; (15) the Navy's F/A-18E/F unit procurement cost estimates are understated; (16) these cost estimates were based on what has become unrealistically high quantities of E/F aircraft that will be bought; and (17) more realistic assumptions indicate that, although the total procurement cost will decrease, the F/A-18E/F unit cost will be more than the Navy currently estimates.

Good.

P320 is a pile of shit.

Don't trust, go handle it and shoot one for yourself. Glock is far superior quality

>>33143670
i have both and the p320 is far superior to the glock

>>33139176
>better ergos
>better trigger
>finger grooves are bad meme
>((((((modular))))))

Lmao ok

>>33143670
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>>33143687
read these posts in order and realize how cancerous this board is. hold the power button down on your computer, stand up and walk out of the room. walk outside into traffic and kill yourself

>>33143714
shut up fag

>>33143437
They could easily add one, and probably would for this contract, just as sig did.

>>33139175
>tripfag.
I came here to post glawk love but fuck that shit. Now, I'm buying a SIG next week, bitches.

>>33139359
Did they teach you how to spell? In that case, I understand why you're mad.

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this is the only thing glock is entitled to.

>>33139603
it fires full auto from the open bore... tf? It's light, it's much more accurate, and it has a heavy barrel for dat heat dumping. It's a nice rifle. It's intended to lighten up the rifle squad.

Marines don't have 240s navy to an infantry platoon like the army does, they're attached to a squad reinforced. Making up for that tho' a marine squad has 3 teams.

>>33139307

It's kind of telling. They probably expected Glock to win.

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>>33139175
>$200 per unit cost

Did you want a handjob with that too?

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>>33138992
It's good to see Glock actually cares about the contract. Because judging by what they put forward, it looked like they just didn't care anymore

Ergos are still terrible
Trigger is still awful
Standard sights are still garbage
Not ambidextrous
Not even remotely modular
Higher per unit cost

Pretty easy choice since they both preformed exceptionally well in endurance testing.

>>33144122
glock is totally fine you fucking retard

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Mmm, I love me some Glock™ salt.

It wouldn't satisfy me so if they weren't such insufferable cock socks about their Honda Civic handguns. But since they are...

>>33139603
>The M27 has no practical advantages over an M4A1 besides being sub MOA at 900m and having super reliability

>>33140331
>rifle breaks in combat
>rifle jams/breaks in close quarters
>rifle malfunctions while taliban are only 20 yards away and you have no time to figure out what's wrong
You never served, ever, and it's so abundantly obvious it's painful.

>>33147035
What p320 would you recommend? I have large hands and comfortably hold m9s, so are the compacts out of the question?

>>33147288
>I have large hands and comfortably hold m9s,
Carry or compact. Carry is a a combination of compact barrel and slide length on a full length pistol grip. If you can carry a beretta M9 or Glock 17 comfortably, then that's what I'd recommend. Compact will probably work also, but you're losing a little more pinky real estate, and a few bullets worth of capacity.