Best patrol car rifle

>>33138404
So you can mallninja neighborhood watch? Because cops get what the department issues them. A $700 bin AR will work fine, since it'll probably never be fired and therefor not have the wear and tear of military rifles.

>>33138530
Fpwp. You have the option to use your own firearm as a vehicle weapon as long as you qualify with it. So instead of buying a firearm I like and enjoy, I should buy a cheap basic ar just because some poorfag autist says it's a mall ninja item?

>>33138404
Stupid nigger. You ain't .mil

You're more like .lilguy

Leave militare rifes to the pros

>>33138634
>You have the option to use your own firearm as a vehicle weapon as long as you qualify with it.
What department is that? More importantly,
>option
Do you have the option to use an issued rifle for free instead of paying 3 grand on a 55k/yr salary for a rifle you'll never really use? Also remember that it may be taken away if you use it for a long while of time, even well after the IA investigation (which happens almost every shooting) is over.

>>33138404
Acog with an rmr mounted.

>>33138660
No they won't issue you one here.

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>>33138660
Also only 40k/year with a degree in criminal justice. Mfw

>>33138651
Ok Jamal

>>33138691
Thank you for being literally the only helpful post thus far

>>33138404
I don't think it's a bad choice, but why .308? Personally I'd want something with less recoil for faster follow up, but is body armor your concern? Or hostage scenario or something?

>>33138404
What is that optic? Looks cool. I just got a scar 17 and need an optic, is that designed for .308 or is it airshit?

>>33138897
Concerned about penetrating light cover and possibly body armor. I'm thinking of putting an m4-72 muzzle break on it to reduce the recoil as much as I can.

>>33138935
Is called an elcan. It can switch between 1x and 4x with the flip of a switch. It's supposedly damn near invincible however I've been told that switching to 4x throws off the zero

>SCAR 17
>Elcan

You literally have no idea as to what you're doing and you're only considering this because you saw a picture of a Ranger with this exact setup.

No worse than those nerds that advocate the P226 because it's used by SEALs and overlook its actual merits. You probably have AR500 plates in your trunk you fucking faggot.

>>33139023
Is the Elcan bad for a scar? Never heard of Elcan before now. I heard Trijicon Acogs are pretty good (the ones for .308) but haven't heard much about other optic options.

>>33138404
That'd be pretty expensive if it were stolen. I'd just keep a cheap AR with a red dot in the trunk

Holy shit $2800 for the Elcan SpecterDr! A little expensive for me. And I thought Acogs were expensive.

>>33139059
They're quality but are retard expensive. Around the $2,000 price range and OP at this point is trying to buy the most expensive shit because he thinks it means it's undoubtedly the best choice.

OP, if your faggot ass is still here, this is what you get
>quality milspec 5.56 AR
>2 point adjustable sling
>high lumen white light
>red dot or 1-4 optic

Unfortunately, you won't be able to cosplay one of those enemies in the first part of MGS4, lacking a SCAR 17 but you'll actually have enough spare cash lying around to take a class if you heed my advice.

Do your own research on as to why I suggested what I suggested.

>>33138793
38k/year with 2 year crj degree. Starting to hate corrections.

>>33139023
>being this salty over someone asking for advice
Who hurt you anon? Did the popo give you a ticket? Did they not serve you tendies in jail?

>>33138961
Makes sense. sounds like you made a good choice for your scenario. I personally think the scar is overpriced, but by no means a bad gun.

>>33138404
>in the trunk of your car
>not mounted vertically between the driver and passenger seats

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>>33138404
Best rifle - what your department issues
Best optic - what your department issues

>>33139125
Money isn't an issue. Scar 17 for a reliable 308 platform rifle with lower than average recoil accompanied by being fairly durable and reasonably light. Literally the only negative thing anyone has said is "Hurr durr mallninja lol". Does anyone have any actual criticisms?

>>33139218
This, you're no cop

>>33139155
You in ga?

>>33139173
Thanks. Got any advice on ammo? I'm thinking Barnes tacx

>>33139218
Clea sucks. Have to have it mounted in the trunk. Not allowed to carry it in the front

>>33139219
So nothing. Got it

>>33139241
Not allowed to put it up front with you. Department doesn't want to scare Jamal. I blame clea for being that retarded

>>33139296
>not mounting it to point directly out your passenger window for full broadside attacks

>>33138404
You're a cop, you don't need that rifle.

>>33138935
It's an Elcan SpecterDR. A heavy 1x (not really though) to 4x scope that costs almost as much as the SCAR.

>>33139383
Kek.

>>33139404
You're a civilian you don't need weapons of war like ar15s

>>33139446
Unlike you public servants I have the right to bear arms.

>>33139383
RAISE THE BLACK

You can't shoot little timmy's dog with whatever they issue you?

>>33138404
FNC

>>33139461
All joking aside I'm starting to think you're an actual retard

>>33139517
Same.

>>33138404
Leveraction 30-30 :^)

>>33139500
Atf pls go. Real cops don't shoot dogs. My department doesn't issue rifles

>>33139236
if it's a patrol rifle you really should worry about over-penetration. Ideally you want the round to stop inside the bad guy. I would strongly suggest going with something in 5.56.

If you're going for 5.56, you can go a bit cheaper and still get quality. Have you ever looked at a Bravo Company build? They sell uppers and lowers separately.

>>33139519
"No u"

>>33138660
My dept. was small and didn't have the funding for patrol rifles. So they let us qualify with personal rifles. I qualified with a PSA build AR for my patrol carand a cheap mossberg .22 rifle for animal control.

It's not unheard of, but bigger depts. prefer you use theirs for legal reasons.

>>33139537
Over penetration was definitely an issue I was considering however I want something that's more capable of going through light cover than 556

>>33138530
>>33139219
I got offered a beat to shit Remington 870 Express.

>>33139579
if you're looking for a barrier penetrating round that won't also over-penetrate a human, Czech Sellier & Bellot SS109 (NATO version of M855) is near match grade, not to mention ACOG BDCs will be calibrated for that round.

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2012/9/4/green-tip-accuracy-test/

hold up, can you qualify with your own vehicle too?

>>33139614
How does it perform wyvern hitting flesh though? Is it gonna dump much energy or just pass right through?

>>33139665
it works just fine for pig hunting, and if it works on pigs, you know it'll work on people too

Fair enough

and let's be realistic as well: you're in a smaller department. Body armor really has only been used by terrorists who have money. Terrorists also only go for big-ish targets, and the fact that you aren't being issued a rifle or being told explicitly down to the model number what rifle you are to buy means that you are a really small jurisdiction and realistically don't have to worry about well-financed terrorism.

You might have to worry about hicks, but in that case they'll barricade themselves in, so you can just wait for some Fed SWAT team to bust in.

Realistically the biggest thing you'll need that rifle for are people on drugs, who will not have armor, or some kid going full Sandy Hook on the local school and will, again, not have armor.

In the school/mall scenario, over-penetration is a *very* real concern, and you should prioritize not over-penetrating before worrying about barriers or armor.

>>33138404
>patrol rifle
>17s

Pick one

>>33139527

Ah.

>>33138404

You're never going to use it.

But buy it anyway, store it away, then sell it when you get bored for a deep discount to me.

>>33138961
When you say body armor, do you mean ceramic/steel plates? If so, a .308 isn't going to help you in that dept unless you use AP rounds.

Speed is what defeats (hard) body armor. A 20+ inch AR in 556 will have a better chance of penetrating than a 308 from SCAR 17.

>>33139733
You've got a good point. However I live in a rather...dark....region where blm and protests have started to pop up here and there and I wouldn't be surprised if things went full on chimpout in the next few years. We've already had a couple officers ambushed. I'm not worried about mall or school shooting scenarios but more of Ferguson/dallas scenario.

>>33139978
Soft body armor

>>33140034
I would still say that the AR would be tactically more advantageous in that situation. Your opponents will not have body armor, and you won't be making shots out beyond 200m with a patrol rifle. Get a nice Bravo Company AR.

AR lets you carry more ammo; if you're ambushed, you just want to get a lot of lead into the air to keep your attackers suppressed until you can run away like a little bitch, or if cornered, keep yourself from getting overrun before backup arrives.

>>33140061
any centerfire round will defeat soft body armor. Soft armor only stops pistol rounds.

>>33139978
>5.56 has better AP than .308
What is this memery

>>33140131
A run of the mill varmint round will have "better AP" than .308

>>33139256
NV actually.

>>33140131
It's nonsense from people who don't know anything about armor

>>33138404
You're a scumbag with an itch to kill Americans. Go kys in your squad car after you finish molesting some qt on the side of the road to get your power trip, pig.

>>33141548
This

>>33138404
Use an AK and terrify people

>>33140131
>>33141473
There's a reason velocity is included in a plate's rating. m193 from a 22 inch barrel has been shown to punch through steel body armor.
measly 40 grain vmax 22-250 flies through it without a hitch.

Velocity has more to do with penetrating steel body armor than kinetic energy. The Wound Channel's youtube channel has videos supporting this claim.

You can laugh off new information if you'd like, but facts are facts.

>>33141548
>>33141569
Yes please

>>33140034
Get an AR chambered in .458 SOCOM. It was literally designed for nigger hunting.

>>33138404
>When you're a rural-area deputy with its last murder in '67 and jealous that your 10-man department doesn't get shit for funding.

Little piggy just wants a SCAR 17 so he can look cool if by some chance he gets to have a 3 second shot on a local news channel. Youre the equivalent of a fucking high school football player who still watches his 11th grade play tapes and jacks off to himself. Only difference is youre a sick fuck and your entire lifes drive is to fulfill some self masturbatory image but in reality you and your pig brethren will never save a single soul and instead live a life of harassing every day Americans through roadside extortion. Look at yourself in the mirror and give yourself a good pat on the back, hero.

>>33139236
The problem isn't money with the Elcan. The problem is finding a .308 model. They're fucking RARE.

Get an AR with a LPVO and you're set.

If i were you i'd get a solid .308 AR platform of some kind. Maybe an Aero or DPMS. I don't know about putting it in the trunk of your patrol car though. I think a way better place for it would be in your fucking mouth, with your twitchy donut claw on the trigger you pig piece of shit. How about instead of fantasizing about some fictional firefight on some other fucken planet where you dont soil your dress blues, you actually do something productive for the world. And i know i have to spell this out for you...harassing americans over bullshit so you can feed your ego is not considered something productive. Fucking faggot

OP, while the SCAR is a really cool rifle and I would definitely recommend getting one for range shooting/overall shooting pleasure if you have that kind of disposable income, I don't think it would be a good patrol rifle.

7.62x51mm NATO is great for punching through barriers and shooting at long range.
You can't really justify engaging people beyond the range of a typical 16" 5.56 carbine (roughly 300-400 yards) and the prospect of over-penetration is very much in the realm of bad shit since you can miss, punch through a house and hit/kill a bystander.
It might be kind of useful for dealing with dangerous wildlife, but a 12ga 1oz slug from your patrol shotgun would be better for that role.

So you should really get a 5.56 rifle since you can use frangible ammunition that won't over-penetrate and fuck up a bystander.

An AR? Sure, best value for money and besides which you said you already have one. Great. Use it. Maybe throw an ACOG on, or even some rapid transition irons (those 45 degree offset ones) on a FF tube if you want something fancy.

Some other 5.56 rifle? Sure. SCAR-16? Maybe a bullpup. Why not? It's your money. As long as it works and you like it, use it.
If it were my money? Basic bitch AR with FF tube, PA optic and some Chinese knockoff RTSes (double down with a bit of locktite blue on those and you're set).

>>33141711
>Velocity has more to do with penetrating steel body armor than kinetic energy.
Wow, no
>The Wound Channel's youtube channel has videos supporting this claim.
Who is he?

>>33138530
haha, nope. Several law enforcement agencies authorizes officers to carry patrol carbines, but they are personal purchases. South Carolina Highway patrol comes to mind. NOW, a scar17 is retarded, and eclans are shit.

OP, don't be a faggot, get a 11.5 inch 5.56 ar15

>>33138961
Again OP you're a faggot. Ceramic plates won't give a shit about your 308. 5.56 actually stands a better chance to get through steel, and all of that shit will eat kevlar like paper. as for barrier penetration, just used heavy bonded 5.56 bullets like speer 5.56 and you're golden.

>>33139059
eclans are dogshit
>lose zero going from 1-4x
>uses ARMS levers that break
>external adjustments which are shit
>heavy as fuck
>expensive as fuck
>big as fuck
>same shitty eye relief as an acog

literally any normal 1-4 scope on the market will suit you better than the garbage that is an eclan

>>33139236
again, the eclan is a shitty dumb idea. 308 is a dumb idea for a patrol rifle, If you're really worried about barrier penetration go 7.62x39, but seriously speer makes a great 5.56 load for patrol rifles.

>>33138404
OP, answer me this... what exactly do police use their rifles for? Because any time there's a standoff, or an active shooter, you cowards just sit around and talk on your radios behind your squad car while you let people die. Look at the videos and pictures of how your boys in blue reacted during the lone gunman spree in Texas. Some dirty nigger with a chopped up saiga and $80 red dot gave your team such an ass whooping that those hero's used a fucking bomb disposal bot to kill him. You're nothing. You cower in the face of real danger. The only thing you're ever going to be good at is being added weight in a casket.

>>33142459
Wait, SBRs are on the table? If so, 11.5 inch 556 with a 1-?x scope. Just make sure it has an illuminated reticle.

>>33142613
I mean, why the fuck not? he's a cop. even if it was a "pistol" I'd still want that in my hypothetical patrol car. I'd do 11.5 or 12.5 for muh ballistics versus 10.3, but that's plenty short for maneuvering around a vehicle.

so yeah if I was a cop making like 40k a year, 11.5 pistol build with mbus regular back ups and an aimpoint pro or even aco

>>33141548
T. Nigger

Get shot like your pig brothers

>>33141612
I would love to use an arsenal covered in tws stuff with a po4x17 sight and magpul ctr stock but I feel as if that would be frowned upon

>>33141789
Taking collateral damage to a whole new level

>>33141828
>medium level city department
>Medium funding
>cop ambushed and killed with the last 6 months

>>33141835
So what were you arrested for last Jamal? I bet you dindu nuffin.

>>33142235
I'm starting to lean towards a 556 ar. Now I just need to find a setup I want to build

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Build one of these.

>>33142495
Jesus Jamal. You've shit posted about 1/3 of this entire thread. Take it slow before you start getting carpal tunnel. You can't jack of to pony porn in momies basement all day if your wrists barely work.

>>33143045
That's actually beautiful. I was already starring to lean towards an sbr ar. You may have just won this thread. I really think I might go with that.

>>33143045
why though? you can't really use the stock comfortable in that position, and he'd have to buy a proprietary bolt carrier group.
plus, he'd be buying troy products, which even ignoring MUH RUBY RIDGE SNIPER, are just shitty in general. He'd be far better off with a moe sl k stock or a shockwave brace

>>33143075
Yeah dude. If i was a police officer i would want something really small like that. Dont forget you are working out of a sedan sized car.

>>33143088
There are lots of PDW stocks out there.

>>33141711
>Velocity has blah, blah, than kinetic energy.
>Velocity
>Kinetic energy
lolz

>>33138404

AR-10


.308 STRONK

>>33143088
>proprietary BCG
oh you sweet summer child
http://www.battlearmsdevelopment.com/vert-stock-system-pdw-stock

>>33139579
>Over penetration was definitely an issue I was considering however I want something that's more capable of going through light cover than 556

You're delusional desu. Where do you live, Mogadishu?

>>33138404
Get a good AR15 like a Daniel Defense or BCM and put a good daylight bright 1-4x or 1-6x on it; I use a Vortex Razor HD Gen II.

The Spectre is a overpriced lackluster optic that really only has any popularity for the cool guy factor. There are tons of better options available.

>>33139461
You're a straight fuckin moron. That literally doesn't even make sense.

>>33139023
>ar500
>bad

Are you too weak to carry an extra 3lbs anon?

>>33143229
did he post the battle arms development stock? no, he posted a troy stock, with a proprietary bcg and shit tier troy quality.

>>33143356
nah, my skin's just to weak to absorb the spalling :^)

>>33143356
Not even that guy, but seriously, AR500 is shit.

Like the only real pros to it are that it doesn't suffer from stress fractures like ceramic, and short of it rusting, moisture becomes a much smaller issue.

Aside from that, it is literally worse in every way.

>>33143297
>You're a straight fuckin moron. That literally doesn't even make sense.
How does it not make sense? The bill of rights do not apply to public servants. On duty he has no right to bear arms.

>>33143389
>>33143399
>anti-spall lining

Just kys

It doesn't fracture, it doesn't "rust" with lining, it doesn't spall, and weighs marginally more

piss off. The military has the resources to xray their shit every year, normal people can't bring their fucking plates into a care spot and ask for an xray

>>33143455
>normal people can't bring their fucking plates into a care spot and ask for an xray
Why not? I had my dentist X-ray some machine parts while I was there once.

>>33143489
>h-h-hey Doctor, mind if I g-go get my body armor and bring it in? I j-just need to get it x rayed because it might be broken and I need to be sure

Don't worry, promise it's just for fun and totally not dangerous

>/k/ is really this autistic

>>33143455
>anti-spall lining
which is removed after taking hits, and now you have spall again. Lets not forget that m193 makes steel it's bitch, or that the ar500 company has had like 3 product recalls in 4 years for not even meeting level III standards.

Steel is literally worse than no armor

>>33143551
>doing business is autistic
If you pay him for the use of machine, he's not going to care.

>>33141828
This. Come on OP we get it, we all want nice funs and we would all love to use them on Tyrone and save the day.
But you are in a professional environment.
Use a fucking ar15 like everyone else does in your field as a never used trunkweight and buy your scar to keep as a rangetoy like every other Leo.
Get a fucking grip.

>>33143447
He's still a citizen while working you fuckwit - just like anyone else.

>>33143045
why is the barrel pointy? is it to stab and grab onto a fucker before you blow a hole in them gun fu style?

>>33143566
>multiple hits
>he thinks he's a bullet sponge now
HAHAHAHA

Steel is great because you can store and toss it around forever without it breaking. If you take "multiple hits" to a degree that removes spall lining you're fucked no matter what you're wearing because you're getting shot in the arms and head and legs too because that's over 10 rounds direct

>>33143580
Yeah, I will PAY to see the video of you trying to get a MD to xray your body armor on his machine with his license and practice relying on you not being an autistic shooter
>b-b-but doc

>>33143645
>He's still a citizen
No, he's a public servant. Fuckwit.

>>33143909
>Your profession (aside from the military) strips you of civil rights
Please show me where it denotes that anywhere in law.

Sovereigns literally get dumber by the day.

>>33138793
125k/year in software.
Reserve deputy at 19/hour part time.
Fng has the good shit.
I get to speck my own shit as long as its factory.

>>33139241
Mine is mounted above my head barrel to passenger window.

>>33142839
>but I feel as if that would be frowned upon

Most LE agencies will probably not allow use of AK's but certain Alaskan agencies actually use AK rifles as their patrol rifles.

Some agencies also use Saigas.

>>33139522
This. This pig wants to act like he is an operator though, personally I'd go with a 45 colt marlin.

>>33143956
I like how the dumbshit sovereign shitizen couldn't even respond to back up his claim. Probably to busy camping outside his local court house to scream at an American flag with gold fringe on it while after declaring he's the admiral of the courthouse.

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>>33138404
Something light and small like a krinkov would be my preference, although I don't know if it would fly with your department.

Just my thoughts.