why isnt it more popular?

>>33137927
>Destroys gun that shoots it

>>33137927
I concur

It's kind of circular logic. More people don't use it because it isn't already popular. Something like 9mm, 40, and 45, is already widely used so it perpetuates guns being made in those calibers.

>>33137927
because 9mm works fine.

>>33138009
the name probably confuses betafux too much

>>33137927
All pistol caliber rounds are already terrible at killing people, it comes down to which caliber you're most comfortable using, and the size of the gun that takes it that you're capable of carrying. Expense and availability factors in too.

It's basically a 9mm with 100 more joules which is pretty meaningless when pistol calibers aren't going to shrapnel or something inside of a body.

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>>33138051
/Thread

Capacity of 40, performance of 9, price of 357.

9mm is fine!

>>33138080
Not really, I neglected to mention shot placement.

>>33137927
My HD pistol is a 357 Sig P320 full size and when people panic buy you can usually still find a box.

That being said my USP 9c is my edc.

>>33138193
pics of 320?

>>33138080

i cant stop watching that gif....

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>>33138198

>>33138234
>tlr-1 hl
my nigga

>>33137927
Ordinary people don't need the ability to shoot through two layers of body armour in self defense.

9mm & .40 work fine.

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>marginally better than 9mm on paper
>basically no boons in the third dimension unless ancap memes become reality and a Mickey D's death squad with light armor tries to shoot up the Burger King you're buying napalm from
>costs more to shoot because of ammo prices and more critically massively increased wear on the firearm
>can't find it in every sporting goods store, Walmart, and ancient Nazi ammo caches
Maybe in a perfect world where everyone chose the best option and guns weren't made of cheap steel and nylon plastic.

>>33138193
>when people panic buy you can usually still find a box
This, I don't even use or like the cartridge but fucking Walmart of all places is usually fully stocked with .357 sig

If you really want to wield power overwhelming in a handgun form factor, get 10mm

>>33138570
Capacity and ammo cost are dealbreakers, plus the higher muzzle velocity might cause overpenetration if used with FMJ.

>>33138600
Yes! Overpenetration! Hyperpenetration! Penetrate the skies, penetrate the abyss!

>>33138612
Am I wrong

It's unlikely I know but so is getting struck by lighting or getting attacked by a shark, can still happen.

>>33137965
>no factual evidence
pls go or give

It's .40 but better.
Too bad 10mm already owns that spot.

I'm really considering it but I know almost nothing about it. I've got $1400 saved up and I want to get the Sig Legion P226. I think you can get it in 9mm, .357 Sig, or .40 S&W. I rarely shoot handguns so I don't know much about handgun calibers but I've heard .40 S&W is a total meme.

So should I get it chambered in 9mm or .357 Sig? If it makes any difference I'm getting this more as a EDC than a target pistol, so the price of ammunition doesn't matter. I'm just concerned with actual performance.

>>33138051
Pretty much this, but also 9mm +p+ and 135-155gr .40S&W.

Reminder that .38-40 is cowboy .40S&W

>>33138088
QFT

>>33139100
>I'm just concerned with actual performance.
.357 definitely my man

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Because pistol calibers all fall into two categories; As deadly as .22 and less deadly than a .22

If you're wondering if a round is just compare the the graph. There's a good chance you've fallen for a meme round and will respond to this post with sever cognitive dissonance. Don't be like the anons that respond, throw away your junk pistol and get a the only real .357, the fucking magnum.

>>33139100
If you don't plan to shoot terribly much .357 will be objectively better.

>>33139347
Liberal tier logical reasoning to draw such a conclusion from those statistics. Neck yourself.

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>>33139454
>Liberal tier logic
Is that just an ad hominem because of your cognitive dissonance? Or is there a specific formula for liberal logic? If so, what is it, and how was it applied to my statement?

>>33138570
Just ordered a G20 today and will be buying ammo strictly online in bulk. Local prices for 10mm are equivalent but not even regularly available as 44mag. Cannot contain excitement

>>33139347
>average

>>33137927
because i ahven't heard of it untill a month ago. same goes for other obscure calibres.

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>>33139347
>.22LR is more lethal than .44 Magnum

>>33137927
Don't you mean same capacity as 40? I thought it was just a 40 necked down to 9mm.

>>33138088
Im drunk but there has to be a good thing about this. Only downside is what happens in a real real apocalypse. But then again I can switch a glock back to 40 and pray to find 40.

>>33137927
>no seriously why?
It's an expensive novelty cartridge.

The only thing it brings to the table is extra penetration which is its own can of worms when talking about carry rounds. Price per round is expensive even for the generic Wal-mart brands aren't much more powerful than a typical .40 or .45 which means you have to get the full-power loads from Double-Tap or Underwood at about $1/rd to make a .357 SIG worthwhile. Anything less is just plinking ammo.

If you want power, just do yourself a favor and get a real .357 Magnum that is far more powerful. If you INSIST on a meme round for carry, then just get a 10mm.

>>33139575
I believe he is pointing out your lack of a source for the graph clearly constructed in Excel and your heavy reliance on such graph to say that everyone else is wrong and you're right because muh graph.

>>33139347
The graph doesn't state if that caliber is the one making the killing blow though, it just says that the caliber was involved in the fight.
For all we know the people with shotguns, 22s, and .357s are the ones being gunned down.
That graph is a complete meme.

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>>33139347
>what caliber is that?
>"shotgun"
>mfw

Did a literal shoot out. Me, wife, two friends rented g19,g23,g32. Fuck yeah we had a groupon.

I carry a s&w model 10, wife carries lc9, friend one carries g19, friend two carries nothing cause faggot.

3 of us shot much better groups with g32. My g19 friend shot best with g19. But he shoots a lot, thousands a month erry month for years. Of course he's better with the same model.

We did this at 3 yards 7 yards 10 yards. Friends didn't use their pistols because groupon and this seemed like a neat way to waste an hour. Also they have some work done on theirs.

We also rented a sw 460, which is too much fun to even deal with. But everyone liked the 357 sig and I'm going to buy one soon. Even mr 9mm liked it but shoots way too much to ever think of 357sig.

My point, I don't have a point, just that we had fun, and I wouldn't mind doing the 357, especially for competition. Overall, I want the 460 more than any of them, except my model 10... Too comfy to give up.

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>>33139966
>>33139992
>>33140069
Well before I stole the graph from another thread I was shitting up it was named gun deaths (survey of 2000)

However, the three of you raise some good points. Enough to where now I don't believe the graph.

>>33139956
Looks like I've created a trend.


Anyway, time for the gym. Shitposting is the best preworkout you can buy and admittedly, I hate my revolver.

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>>33137927
>why aren't more people carrying .;357 sig?

because it's shit and you should feel bad for liking it. faggot.

>>33140176
I'll give you twanky pounds of brotein powder for the hateful revolver.

The better question is why 9x25mm Dillon isn't more popular

>>33140176
you don't go to the gym jake

>>33137927
can't shoot sub-sonics through a suppressed SMG with it

>>33140258
>2011+6
>not using legacy captcha
who's the fag now

>>33140791

you mean the old captcha where you just type what you see? how the hell do you go back to that? I hate these click the picture things

>>33138080
>table bending down when the quill presses on it

0 out of fucking 10

must be a drill press, but it looks like it has a collet chuck on it, the fuck.

>>33139587
What ammo are you going to buy? Pretty much all 10mm is just loaded to .40 Smith & Wesson specs.

>>33138642
penetration is a good thing.

>>33140897
Saw that PPK JHP was oddly cheaper than most FMJ. Will run a few boxes of that & save the brass for reloading once those funds are available.
Run a few boxes of Underwood with different recoil Springs to find a good match and stock up on those. This gun will be special snowflake range toy until reloading is possible or buy some conversion barrels.

>>33141003
*PPU

Shooting 380 out of a G20 sounds like blueballs

>>33140649
pitiful human bone structure, tendons, muscle strength, and firearms engineering have a hard time handling it.

>>33139100
.357 sig. if it's good enough for secret service to EDC, it's good enough for you

>>33137927
>why aren't more people carrying .;357 sig?
>no seriously why?
It's louder, it's harder recoiling, it's more expensive and it beats pistols up way more and for what? The USSS has some very idiosyncratic mission requirements, what am I going to get out of carrying a pistol chambered in a round with the above characteristics?

OP is almost certainly underage, in which case he should get the fuck out of here.

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>>33139100
>admits to knowing very little about handguns
>somehow "knows" that something is a meme

/k/ in a nutshell.

>>33137927
a) capacity is similar to .40, not 9mm
b) muzzle blast and flash is similar to a short barreled AR
c) the cheapest (on sgammo) is 100% more than the cheapest 9mm, and is 50% more than cheap brass cased 9mm
d) The secret service needs to shoot through windshields, why the fuck are you basing your caliber decisions on which government agency uses what?
e) it was created in 1994 to solve problems that aren't as pressing anymore, due to the development of effective JHP rounds

desu C is mostly why people don't shoot it.

>>33139100
9mm --> less cost --> more shooting

>>33140866
>settings>quotes&replying

>>33137927

Yep. It's god's gift for handgun ammo self-defense.

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>>33140897
>Pretty much all 10mm is just loaded to .40 Smith & Wesson specs.

Only if you stick to the cheap generic stuff, then it's just glorified .40 performance.

But the bigger casing on the 10mm means that it has far more potential than even the hottest .40 loads. You just have to be willing to pay for it.

>>33137927
I'm in the market for a concealed carry pistol. Sell me on one that uses this ammo and why this ammo is better.

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Since no one here actually knows:
All common duty calibers perform basically the same when the hit a target unobstructed. See pic. The big selling point for the .357 Sig was barrier penetration, mainly through auto glass, via high velocity. Problem there is bullet construction is very important for barrier penetration and, at the time, the .357 Sig loads were all using 9mm bullets that weren't designed for that velocity. Eventually purpose built .357 Sig bullets hit the market and it gained some LE foothold, notably with the Secret Service. Since then bonded hollow point ammo that passes FBI penetration requirements even through auto glass have appeared on the market, notably Federal HST and Winchester PDX1/ Bonded Ranger/Defend. Now that 9mm can reliably penetrate after going through car windows .357 Sig has lost its niche.
Today it's a special snowflake round for ammo hipsters who look at 9mm and say, "I wish this was less common, more expensive, held fewer rounds, was available in fewer guns, and wore those guns out quicker."

>>33140880 >>33138222
It's from a video by a guy called AvE on YouTube

>>33138009
>Something like 9mm, 40, and 45, is already widely used so it perpetuates guns being made in those calibers.
Any gun made for .40 S&W can shoot .357 SIG with nothing more than a barrel swap. It's not like they have to start a whole new production line or anything.

>>33137927
TL;DR cause it's gay

9mm is cheaper, it really doesn't do anything worth something over a 9mm. Those who want something more will shoot .45, or .40 (which is still cheaper than .357 Sig)

>>33148215
>red ballistic gel
surprising gnarly looking

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>>33139347
>stoppan power thread
>posting the wrong graph

>>33137927
too expensive, 9mm is the new .22lr bro