titan II

>>33134206
>bun/k/er
Nah
I'd rather not be trapped underground with furries and closeted homos with guns

Maybe if there was screening sure

>>33134219
well its in the hills of MO and it costs money, so furries are out buy default

>>33134206
shameful self bump

>>33134224
>in the hills of MO
well hot damn i'm already in

>>33134286
yey.

Sounds comfy

We had this thread the other day and it was pretty much decided it was impossible to renovate, move on.

>>33134206
>easy to renovate and reasonably cheap

Aside from asbestos and lead remediation, repairing leaks, getting rid of potentially mold, and adding modern electric and plumbing, and interior build-out, sure, it's reasonably cheap.

>>33134449
That must have been a different typo of bunker because titan IIs and atlas Es are the very easy to renovate

>>33134206
Except for a museum the titan 2 sites have all had the silos blasted and filled in. The main access shaft was also filled in with rubble the size of your mum.

Official ease of renovation silo ranking:
Atlas E > Nike (but these suck) > Atlas F >>>> POWER GAP > Titan 2 >>>>>>>>>> Titan 1

t. Guy who has been inside many missile sites

>>33134466
Actually, asbestos and lead weren't used in bunkers like these, not durable enough. And most still had their electrics and plumbing in place. As for leaks, so long as you are either above the water table or have a few pumps the use things will last until the end of time

>>33134206
Honestly, it'd be cheaper to build a whole new mini military base then it would be to repair a Titan silo. I dunno whether or not it would be cheaper to build a new underground bunker than afford repairs.

>>33134478
What about a sprint site?

>>33134224
>costs money
>furries out
Friend, I don't think you understand how much money furries throw around on frivolous shit like commissions and fursuits. They have deep pockets.

>>33134502
Easy but worthless. Ignoring the micro penis sized silos they are basically a bermed concrete building.

I see you are on missilebases.com, matt and leigh-anne are cool people if you ever get the chance to spend time with them.

>>33134503
Yeah sadly I think any project like this would be funded about a quarter by the creepy bastards.
Maybe they could be sealed off to a separate section? I really, really don't want to see what furries would get up to in a bunker.

>>33134508
Atlas Es aren't hardened, we need something that can survive a nuke

>>33134515

Drawing cartoon porn in a basement. Pretty much life as usual.

>>33134516
Yes they are, they have a significantly lower overpressure rating which means they are less hardened than an F or Titan series. The sort of overpressures you would nee to destroy a E would equate to an extremely close hit. Nobody is going to target an empty silo with its own dedicated warhead and most of these silos are so far away from relevant targets that you arent going to get an overpressure.

You want nuke protection? Bury a steel culvert in south western kansas. Enjoy optimal fallout patterns and a cheaper upfront cost.

>>33134496
>Actually, asbestos and lead weren't used in bunkers like these, not durable enough.
You poor, simple, dumb bastard.

Asbestos:
>Adhesive used for floor tiling, if not the tiling itself.
>Every bit of pipe insulation.
>Drywall, drywall mud (joint compound) and drywall joint tape.
>Most contracting caulking, joint and adhesive compounds

Lead:
>Lead and arsenic in any left over electronics; if underwater as many of these sites are, this will have leached out and contaminated surfaces to varying degrees.
>paint and primer coats. And everything was painted or at least primed.
>any door or partition window glazing

If it was built between 1950 and the mid-80s, ESPECIALLY by government contractors, it's got lead and/or asbestos in it somewhere. Guaranteed.

This is generally not a huge issue if you're not renovating, rebuilding or repairing damage. To go into a bunker complex which will also contain massive amounts of atmospheric rust dust and mold spores after being half flooded and abandoned for a half century, then start tearing everything out, sanding it all down and cleaning everything up so you can refinish it, you'd be in full coveralls and HEPA masks the entire time.

>inb4 none of that shit in a bunker
They finished the living quarters and much of the working space with drywall, just like any office. Many of the floors were tiled with cheap tiling. Caulking and joint sealers were used extensively, all over the complex. Everything would have been either painted or primed.

>>33134496
>And most still had their electrics and plumbing in place.
You poor, dumb, simple bastard. Part II.

Electical systems:
>Nothing, and I mean NOT A FUCKING THING, in that entire complex will pass even a cursory residential code inspection
>Almost nothing in that entire complex will still be a working circuit
>All of the wall socket and lighting runs will be asbestos-insulated wire
>Anything not in solid conduit will be running through reinforced concrete cable runs. Good fucking luck getting at any of that to repair it.
>most of the lighting and wall sockets will either be incompatible with modern light bulbs or a fucking death trap
>good fucking luck finding enough fuses to test functionality, much less keep the place running
>good fucking luck finding replacement components for the fuse panel/main boxes
>good fucking luck getting the power company to sign off on your grid hookup
>good fucking luck finding replacement generators for the system which work with the in-situ ventilation arrangement

Plumbing:
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*breath*
>HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA
*breath* *in Russian*
>XAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXXAXAXAXXAXXAXAXAXAXXAXAXAX
>oh, and lead. So much fucking lead.

So yeah. Complete tear-out of old electrical and plumbing. Then figure out an elegant way to install new systems. Going through reinforced concrete several feet thick. Special features here:
>brand new septic tank/drain system, because all these old complexes used sewage lagoons and ejection pumps
>drilling brand new wells and complex access for water

The horror continues...

>>33134496
>>33134793
Ok, you slogged through that entire shit sandwich. Guess what? YOU GET TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN, CUBED, FOR THE HVAC SYSTEM:
>drilling/installing brand new conduit system because you can't even get into and through the old system to clean out all the rust, mold, asbestos and rat shit
>figuring out a way to get a modern HVAC system to play nice with the intake/exhaust system in place
>digging open air access for and drilling power and coolant lines to your heat exchanger

>>33134496
>As for leaks, so long as you are either above the water table or have a few pumps the use things will last until the end of time
You poor, dumb, simple bastard. Part III.

Pumping water constantly out of a deep hole takes a lot of electricity.
Pump intakes clog. Constantly.
Pumps break. Constantly. Expect to replace them at least once every five to eight years. Much more frequently if they're in heavy use or pumping water 180ft+ uphill, like out of a silo.
The water table fluctuates. By the season. And if the water table is below 180ft, then you're completely fucked because you've got no well water to drink, or your well is so fucking deep you need a crane to repair your foot valve.
You're in a practically closed system. A bunker. Do you really want to live in constant high humidity? Does that really sound like a great plan to you?

By far the cheapest long term solution is properly repairing and sealing the leaks.

Then you can actually use your silo for the shit that was the whole reason you bought a missile complex in the first place: space for storage, generators, grey water treatment, hydroponic farming, workshop space, etc.

You really didn't think any of this through. Why do fat bastards who've never swung a hammer in their lives just magically think all this shit is super simple?

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>>33134732
>>33134793
>>33134802
>>33134837
Full fucking belly laughing over here. This made my night.

t. general contractor

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>>33134837
The ones I'm looking at already have their power, water and HVAC hooked up but their previous owners. What did you think I'm just going to dig one out of a hole?

>>33137283
Yeah? At what price? Because if it's got working, safe electrical, plumbing and HVAC, it ain't gonna be cheap.

>>33137283
Even a relatively small missile facility like an Atlas E or Titan II is still enormous, and 50 years old to boot.

It'd be a full time job just to maintain the entire facility.

>>33137666
Hence, the reason we pool our money together, also there are some with all working parts that are fuck off cheap just because no one wants them

>>33137956
Source.

>>33137966
Missilebases.com

>>33137983
>Missilebases.com
Finished Atlas E for over 3 million
Tiny Nike bunker site for 350k
Tiny Sprint bunker site for 1 million
Atlas E site needing full refurbishment and clean up for 265k.

What, exactly, was cheap about all this?

The one decent site is the Atlas E for 265k, and that will require full remediation for lead, arsenic, asbestos, mold and rust, extensive cleanup, brand new septic system and plumbing, new electrical, and a complete HVAC system, in addition to all the other finish/renovation work and details. After it's all said and done, you're looking at over a million dollars worth of work, easy, for space you could build yourself for about a half to three quarters million on an empty lot in the middle of nowhere.

We already had this thread two days ago.

>>33138077
Cheap as in for missile bases

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this looks really comfy. shame it wont happen

>>33138136
It could if the artists on /k/ knew what money pooling is

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>>33138152
IF this was pulled off, how many people could a silo hold?

>>33138183
6 or 7, more if we could fuck around with the silo, but that's hard

>>33138077
Not him but cost could be manageable if we do what he said and pool our money. Hell, /pol/ almost bought an island but the seller said no

>>33138077
>>33138097
>>33138152
>Cheap as in for missile bases
Yeah? Here's what 1 million dollars worth of missile base gets you, for the relatively small Sprint site:
http://www.missilebases.com/sprint-missile-site
Pay attention to the video tour: https://youtu.be/MNzPbkkSpDU
Here;s what we've got:
>they've already done most of the heavy lifting as far as clean up and remediation
>they've installed brand new power runs on a limited basis and a new panel
>there's still plenty of peeling lead based paint and asbestos-laden drywall to remove
>water on all the floors due to "condensation"; whatever the cause, that will be a big problem when finishing out. Will require dehumidifiers at least running 24/7 until heavy duty HVAC system with very good drain system can be installed
>the add says 15' ceilings, but almost all the ceilings still have substantial conduit and machinery in place beyond the very heavy duty false ceiling supports which appear to be at about 9', all of which would need to be removed and some of which will be toxic
>at least two rooms are still full of large machinery which will require substantial cutting and hauling to remove for minimal scrap metal returns
>"bathroom hookups" consist of concrete-embedded drain holes to black iron pipes which have been completely wet for decades and probably broken in the drainage points beyond the concrete structure as the bunker settled over the years. Going to need a completely new plumbing system, drains and supply
>concrete flooring is in bad shape in the rooms which were most exposed to water, requiring repair. Also, there are many platforms for removed machinery which reduce the already limited headroom if you just decide to build the flooring higher to compensate
>once all this is done, you'll still have to finish it with insulation, drywall, tiling, etc. if you don't want to blow all your money on heating, cooling and condensation control

CONT

>>33138229
hmm. but you would need more then seven people to get the money.
>/k/ selection day
>can you fit this in your ass?
>no?
>leave

>>33138266
So. You've got a complex that could comfortably settle a max of about 10 people which you can buy for a million dollars and still requires something well north of 750k to renovate.

>>33138263
No. Look at what you're getting for the money. If any of you had ever worked in archetecture, general contracting or anything related, you'd see this is a nightmare.

The only way this makes sense is if you've got a deep love or connection to the site for historical reasons and it's a lifelong dream. You could do it for far cheaper with a scratch build to your own specifications.

>>33134224

>furries don't have money

Are you in for a fucking shock when you spend more than an hour on the internet. Furries are one of the most prolifically high spending fetishists in the world. My brother paid his university education and rent by commissions for furfags and he wasn't remotely famous.

>>33138282
so... why dont you pool your money and make a bunker insted. nothing fancy, just shiping crates in the ground

>>33138282
>The only way this makes sense is if you've got a deep love or connection to the site for historical reasons and it's a lifelong dream. You could do it for far cheaper with a scratch build to your own specifications.
This. Watching the tour here >>33138266, the site is incredibly cool, but holy shit the work you'd need to do to finish it as a living space.

>something well north of 750k to renovate.
Ha! Just eyeballing that, you're not getting away under seven figures unless we're talking bare bones military/prison style living.

t. general contractor

>>33134206
Why fucking bother? Buy 1000 acres in New Mexico and make those New Earth shelters. Or buy up half of rural montana for $100 and just build comfy cabins. Neither is going to get nuked.

>>33138266
>picking the sprint
Nigger

>>33138314
/k/ can't even get together to fund and work on their own vacation/firing/camping property when the property is already paid for. You want to make a /k/ place? Talk to Creep about getting Arkadia fitted out.

Also, just burying conex shipping containers won't work. You need extensive structural support and water protection for the metal walls. If you're going to build bunker style, the most cost efficient and structurally sound way by far is still poured concrete.

>>33138314
Those fall apart when they're in the ground, you need reinforced concrete

Wall text anon is absolutely right, just trying to keep the place habitable is a money sink, nevermind reasonably comfortable or making it a clubhouse.

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>>33138353
>>33138350
thanks for the info, did not know this.
i think for somthing really big, we might be able to pull /k/ together for this. maybe.

>>33138337
Fine. Here's a vid of that 265k Atlas E site.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U5KXS5DwsY
Do I even need to start listing all the shit you'll need to do to get this site livable? Easily 1.2 million just to get basic living conditions.

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>>33134219
>>33134206

Unnaground is the new innawoods.

Easy solution to furry problem:buy missile base infested with deep crow, take out life insurance policies on furries, let them move in first, collect life insurance, buy new missile base with no deep crows.

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>>33138397
not bad.

>>33138373
Jesus.
>everything rusted to shit
>standing water everywhere
>concrete crumbling
>mold on everything
>rusty scrap shit everywhere
>no electrical or plumbing left
>still rusty shit hanging from the ceiling everywhere
Over a quarter of a million.

I mean, I get that it's cool and all, but there's no fucking way this could be cheap to refurbish.

>>33138373
This isn't just one person buying it and the rest just squatting, either come up with ideas for money or leave

>>33138422
And there's not even that much space, all told.

>>33138428
Who the fuck would make such a shitty investment? Seriously. It's way cheaper to build from scratch, especially when I know for a fact 3/4 of /k/ would either kill themselves being unsafe or collapse with exhaustion walking up a flight of stairs in any sort of serious contracting work, like what would be required to get these sites up and running.

Truth be told these bunkers sounds like they'd be better suited for some inverse metro 2033 LARPing than actual living.

>>33138452
Who the fuck would but dozens of guns and only use 5 or 6 of them enough to justify their existence?

>>33138512
This. If I bought one, assuming I had a shit ton of money to burn on a property out in the middle of nowhere, I'd build a beautiful above ground house to live in and slowly work on the bunker complex to use as storage, workshop space, historical preservation/maybe tours and maybe eventually hydroponic farming for fruits and vegetables and possibly neat living space/guest house/cool B&B to rent out.

Maybe turn the whole property into a hunting/shooting/camping vacation getaway with an awesome historical hook.

>>33138553
The difference is between dropping maybe 30k over a lifetime on a kickass gun collection and dropping well over 1.5 million on a single property, plus the massive financial and sweat equity headache of keeping the place maintained.

If you can't fathom the difference, then you need to hire someone to handle your finances.

>>33138583
>gun collection
>oh wow I own 400 wooden/metal tubes that do the exact same thing, I'm so smart! Fuck that guy who wants a home that can survive almost any natural or man-made disaster!

one thing. in the event of a happening people will know the location of the bunker/silo

>>33138667
How will they get past the two tonne metal door and reinforced concrete with rebar

>>33138682
good point. /k/ could find a way though.

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>>33138682
>place explosive boobytrap explosive near the door
>search for air intakes
>let in smoke
>wait til you open door and the explosive takes you out
>waltz in and rape your sister and wife with SKS

>>33138682
Tools and construction equipment are cheaper than buying a bunker.

>>33138682
Look at me, I'm the moleman now

>>33138736
>construction equipment
>after a nuclear holocost
>>33138705
This thing was designed to withstand a near hit with a nuke. A little fertilizer or c4 is nothing

>>33138705
Smoke would be filtered out

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>>33138829
no problem, I can also produce other chemical gas with household materials.
or I just block the fresh air and wait it out.

>>33138816
>This thing was designed to withstand a near hit with a nuke. A little fertilizer or c4 is nothing
you need to go outside to fix the air system.
you leave your bunker and my selfmade IED blows up your legs

then I waltz in and rape your sister and wife with my SKS.

>>33138866
Once again, these aren't just house air filters, can filter out just about everything, and if I do need t leave what makes you think I wouldn't install sensors that detect movement?

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>>33138889
I destroy all your sensors before. then I block your air and just wait it out.

>>33138930
>destroy all sensors
How? Your not in the bunker to begin with

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>>33138949
I search for them and destroy them, then I wait until you get out.

or I simply give you the ultimatum to surrender or I will use my trusty Welding torch to make it your tomb forever.

>>33138930
Also it has emergency air that can last days, and you'll likely die of malaria or bum fuck Bill will score a lucky shot while you're not looking. Filty innawoods fags, unnerground is the future

>>33138976
The sensors are in the bunker you mong
Also,
>welding torch
>after a nuclear holocost
You'd die before you lugged it up the hill

>>33138667
How? Unless they're ex military or specifically know where they are to begin with Jamal and Cletus will never find it

>>33138982
To be fair, he's got a point, these bunkers are designed to survive nuclear attack, not a ground attack from infantry.

>>33139018
>implying there wouldn't be above ground patrols
>because some jackass on /k/ would certainly preform as well as the spetsnaz
You innawoods fags either die of hunger, get shot, or just get a disease before you found it

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>>33138982
I would gather more people and promise them tight buttholes of your woman as price if they help me pull it off.
I can be very convincing.

and we will have lots of time to figure out a way to get you out of there.

>>33138996
so you can't see what happens above your bunker?
very good :)

>You'd die before you lugged it up the hill
I have a truck

>>33134732
>>33134793
>>33134802
>>33134837

This. You'd honestly probably be able to build a new bunker complex from scratch for the amount of money it would take to renovate one of these Cold War health hazard nightmares. My friends and I bought an old tugboat from the 1940s once and even that was fucking ridiculous. It's like they were trying to kill off the occupants with cancer as soon as possible.

>>33134732
>>33134793
>>33134802
>>33134837
Huh, just witnessed my first murder.
Bravo sir, bravo.

>>33139102
They'd just shoot you and find it themselves, and fail, also how the fuck would you even know where it is? There's hindered of these things around the country

>>33139190
*hundereds

>>33138637
>400 tubes that do the same thing
I think you took a wrong turn, you're on /k/.

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Fun mode: your sole roommate is pic related.

Annoying mode: your sole roommate is a devout brony that prefers katanas above all else.

Hard mode: Your two roommates are an in-your-face antifa and a paranoid neonazi.

Really hard mode: Your roommates are a dozen do-or-die globs of /pol/lution and a dozen antifa.

Nightmare frightmare mode: See "Really Hard mode", but now they're all hopped up on crystal meth 24/7.

>>33139060
>we won't get disease in our closed living environment
>our patrols on the surface are invincible and cannot be killed

Nuclear bunkers are only designed to survive a nuclear explosion (depending on distance) and normal bunkers are pretty useless as a standalone structure (in the long run).

>>33139269
I'd go with nightmare mode.

>Start off with,"so what did you guys think of the election?"
>they all murder each other, with /pol/ getting out on top
>I can get along with /pol/

>>33138637
> Fuck that guy who wants a home that can survive almost any natural or man-made disaster!
So will a strong, sturdy masonry and timber house, and I guarantee you it wouldn't cost $1 million + another million for renovation.

/k/ is fucking delusional.