Does a suppressor have to actually be attached to/touching a

>>33122671
No.
The suppressor in and of itself is the controlled device.

>>33122671

no. you need the cuckstamp to purchase the supressor by itself.

this photo makes me think of trees and sound change

>>33122695
>>33122693
Is holding a pillow around the muzzle a suppressor and do we need to pay $200 to own suppressors now?

>>33122693
>>33122695
But I'm saying if you make a device that you shoot THROUGH then what's the definition or requirements?

I mean, shooting inside a house dampens the sound significantly to anyone outside. Where's the line?

>>33122707
Go for it

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>>33122707

>>33122707
>>33122709
That is entirely up to the ATFs retard level of discretion.

They have claimed that a string is a machine gun and that a water bottle is a suppressor, so yeah, be careful.

>>33122727
Yup but a staple in a mini 14 is g2g

>>33122727
>a water bottle is a suppressor

A water bottle is actually a pretty effective one time use suppressor for a 22 rifle

>>33122709

a house wasnt designed and intended to be used as a firearms suppressor

atf cares more about intent than they do actual use; thats why they said shouldering the sig arm brace was aight because its intended purpose was as an arm brace

an AAC suppressor was designed as a suppressor and is intended to be used to suppress the blast of a firearm

>>33122740
Yes, but more or less what I meant was that a water bottle is fine to posses, but if you tape it to the muzzle of a 10/22, without paying a $200 tax, then you can serve up to ten years in prison.

>>33122707
*do we need to pay $200 to own pillows now?
Sorry, I'm tired and didn't proof read. I'm about to lay my head on my suppressor and go to sleep.

>>33122745
Didn't they say that shouldering the arm brace constitutes redesigning it?

>>33122671
I'm pretty sure something like that pic would be considered a structure rather than a 'device'. Of course, as with everything else, ultimately >>33122727
>That is entirely up to the ATFs retard level of discretion.

>>33122745
>atf cares more about intent than they do actual use
ATF tried to argue that anything that could be a suppressor is a suppressor. The judge actually mocked them in open court, saying that ATF's interpretation of the law would outlaw potatoes. That probably won't stop ATF from trying to pull similar shit again.

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>>33122671

>>33122671
Bumping.

Eyeing a house with a mile of empty field behind it but the property only extends back 100 yards, outside city limits. If I could set up a barrel to shoot through that dampened the living fuck out of a gun shot to the point where it wouldn't bother neighbors I would be in heaven.

>>33122777
That was later, and only after pretty much everyone with a brace publicly and repeatedly shit on the ATF instead of saying "thanks mr law man" and shutting up.

The ATF got sick of this mockery and then changed their decision to what you said as a fuck you to the gun community that insulted them.
Because the way they are and the powers they were granted, they got away with it.

>>33122671

ITT: Why lawyers go to school for a long time.

>But you honor it was just an oil filter that I held against the gun. It's not a suppressor!!

But you did that to dampen the sound of the gun shot, why else would you do that?

>But it's not a suppressor, it's an oil filter, see I have the box "oil filter" says so right there!!

A "reasonable person" would not hold an oil filter against the muzzle of a gun for any reason other than to try to dampen the sound of a gunshot. Thus you have broken a law.

>But mah pedantic adherence to the most minute differences in word meanings says that this is an oil filter and not a suppressor! I am a sovereign citizen you will respect my right to free passage REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

If you are using something to suppress the sound of a gunshot, it is a suppressor. Will you get your dog shot for doing something like in your picture? Maybe not, but it doesn't make it legal.

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OK. I'm kind of a simpleton. Can someone explain to me why the ATF is allowed to interpret was is and isn't legal. I thought that was for that it was the courts that interpret the law. Why do they have so much power to say "this is OK, that's not OK?"

>>33122858
Yeah, but still.
The way ATF letters work is that they can use one as evidence in court to prosecute you, but you can not submit a contradictory one as evidence in your defence.

>>33122866

Similarly, to the faggot >>33122770 here, no, you don't need to pay a tax stamp to own pillows, stop being an idiot. Pillows have purposes besides suppressing gunshots.

Now if you took the pillow and used it as a suppressor, then you are breaking the law. Don't be retarded.

>Hurr people can run people down with cars, does that make owning cars a felony? Durr

Well, no, but once you use the car to run someone down, then yes, now you have committed a crime.

Did ATF ever respond to whether or not Tac Sac is intended to be used cupped or gripped?

>>33122866
At what point did we dispute the legal status if these acts?

We're fully acknowledging that this shit is illegal, but we're also saying that it's fucking retarded for this shit to be illegal.

The fact that I could tape a water bottle to a pistol, for the express purpose of limiting noise pollution, and shoot it on my property - and that would net me more prison time than someone raping a child?
That's fucking wrong.

The law is wrong and it needs to change.

>>33122890
If you don't touch it or if you only cup it, it's perfectly legal.

Gripping it in the manner of a VFG redesigns it.

>>33122876
The ATF is like islam, they both practice abrogation.

>>33122841
Why not bury some shipping containers or corrugated metal pipe a few feet underground to make a safe and discrete firing lane?

>>33122870

It's not whether it is or is not illegal from the standpoint of the judiciary. You might get busted by the ATF but still found not guilty in a court of law.

It about "executing" the law, thus the Executive branch. The netherlands, for instance, does not have legal marijuana, it is decriminalized. That means the cops won't arrest you for smoking it, but it is still technically illegal. But that doesn't matter because you will never end up in court because the cops won't arrest you.

The ATF can selectively decide which laws to enforce and how to interpret what constitutes a violation of the law. The ATF doesn't make new laws or decide if they are valid, it can just choose to be really nit picky about bullshit.

Imagine of every cop went after everyone going just 1 mile over the speed limit. Like just autistically attacking people speeding. But in reality you can be cruising 5 over an a cop won't blink, because they decide to not execute the law as it is written.

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if the over all length of this rifle is 26 inches, do i need a stamp for an sbr?

>>33122975
If the barrel is less than 16" you need a stamp.

>>33122959
Ah, OK. Thanks. So it's like selective enforcement rather than interpretation.

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>>33122955
Not a bad idea actually

>>33122885
What if I have a pillow in the car when I run them down?

>>33122671
I'm fairly positive a suppressor has to be "mobile" to require a stamp. I'd double check but my good friend who is very knowledgeable on this topic has talked about building something like your OP pic

>>33122955
>burying steel shipping containers
Enjoy dying in the collapse

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>>33122671
Googled "stationary rifle silencer" and there were quite a few links and images that popped up. From what I can tell, as long as it doesn't attach to the gun it shouldn't be an issue, even better if it is stationary/not easily portable.

>>33123263
A line of tires with rims included would be excellent

>>33122740
This isn't dayZ

>>33123389
A regular plastic bottle will take a 22lr down to next to nothing for one shot, it doesn't even have to be subsonic

I mean, or so I hear

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>>33123415
>I mean, or so I hear

Or so you don't

>Does a suppressor have to actually be attached to/touching a weapon to require a stamp?
'Yo.'

Yes, but if the ATF takes a disliking to you, no.

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>>33122820
That so?

>>33122707
>not understanding basic court rulings in the US

>>33123489
i lol'd

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>mfw Ruby Ridge incident

Hopefully Trump will do something about gun laws soon. That whitehouse dot gov petition got 2.5x signatures so hopefully the NFA will get repealed/revised.

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On a scale of 9 to 11, how dead is my dog?

>>33123263
The reason those are fine is because they are "Structures" not devices.
The point at which a device becomes a structure and vice versa has not been laid out.

>>33123117
Did you use the pillow to dampen the exhaust note ...

>>33123543
You have transcended doggo shooting as we know it.
Every pupper, doggo or woofer that you have ever known or loved, will be mercilessly hunted down and killed.
Those that are dead will be brought back to life, and killed again.

You will then be forced to watch the Fry's dog episode of Futurama over and over again.

>>33123543
RIP doggo :(

>>33123543
>Using glass

>The shot will not be silenced at all

>Huge fuck off shards of razor sharp glass will explode at your enemy

BRILLIANT

>>33123644
It's plastic though.

>>33122671
Yes.

>>33123659
Hrm, looked glass

Either way, soda bottle does shit for anything above 22

>>33123670
Really? I need to get myself a sound meter so I can measure how well a plastic bottle would actually suppress. Maybe check pillows too while I'm at it.

>>33122738
That's because its not full auto, it does the exact same thing a 350 dollar binary trigger for an AR does, fire on pull and fire on release.

>>33123263
>the retarded level of complexity required not to piss of close neighbors
>just because 100% absolute common sense muzzle devices for guns are illegal

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>>33122983
wait wait wait, if a barrel is somehow 15.999 inches long and it's a really hot day and the heat causes the metal to expand turning the barrel into a 16inch barrel... does it need a tax stamp or not?

>>33123819
Are you technically 6 foot or 5' 11.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999-

No one cares to argue semantics so minute.

>>33123831
this is the fucking ATF we're talking about. If you press a pistol brace up against your shoulder you can be charged.

>>33123831
/fit/ does

>>33122955
>Finally built my new shooting range!
>Time to shoot peacefullyyyEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>33123819
it obviously has to measure 406,4mm at 20°C under 1013mbar

>>33122745
>a house wasnt designed and intended to be used as a firearms suppressor
and a shoelace wasnt designed or intended to be used as a garand selector switch

>>33123846
Shall not be infringed?

How about we drag the ATF goons behind our trucks for a few miles Ben and see what happens?

>>33123831
You've clearly never visited /fit/.

>>33123990
Ruby Ridge
Waco

They have tanks, they have helicopters, they have machine guns, they have access to literally tens of thousands of trained soldiers.
You have coke bottle taped to a 10/22.

>>33124259
So its a fair fight

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>>33122955
>>33123081
>Why not bury some shipping containers
Okay, I've seen this way too many times, so I've whipped up >pic related to outline why this is a stupid idea.

>>33124438
Insulting and informative. Well done, anon.

>>33123543
Enjoy cleaning melted pieces of electrical tape of off your muzzle.

>>33122801
Source? Would love to see that if it is on video, or read the transcript.

>>33124341
Kek

More what I meant was, don't start a fight over suppressors - you may as well start a fight over the whole NFA, you'll at least be a bit more of a problem for the ATF.

>>33124438
That covers normal containers, but bulk containers can definitely be buried.

>>33123770
But anon, if we allow silencers then assassins will be able to murder literally everyone with a series of soft "thwip" noises like in Splinter Cell. People with silencers don't even show up on the minimap!

>>33122801
>>33124476
Search recent federal cases? Should be a walk in the park, sporto. Go getem and report back.

>>33123543
>Shoveldog.gif

>>33123489
fukkin kek!

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>>33122820
>>33123489

>>33124696
>mcawful
I know, right?

>>33124696
>>33124704
>Shit talking the McRib
Have fun getting deported you anti-American fucks.

>>33122948
>abrogation
Can be found in every arm of government and just about every other facet of life falling under rules. Wats ur point, dexter?

>>33123543
>>33124474
>cleaning
Does it appear to you this troglodyte understands the concept of cleaning anything?

>>33122740
No it's not. Stop repeating things from movies

>>33122671
What would be the point of getting a stamp for a suppressive device if it wasn't properly attached to the end of the barrel?

>>33122870
Because governments seize power and will continue to seize more power until they are rudely beaten back.

After beaten back the government will attempt to seize more power.

The ATF and other alphabet soup organizations have so much power because they aren't put in their place, so its a camel nose in the tent.

Same with the Judiciary.

>>33124466
The comment we needed, when we needed it.

>>33122671
Non portable suppressor are legal and unregulated.

>>33123415
it will work to slightly lower the decibels with a subsonic .22

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>>33125039

>>33124712
Sorry, i forgot that the megacorporations quite literally own our country

>>33125683
We Shadowrun now?

You can make a can for a .22 with a soda bottle, electrical tape, 2 metal scouring pads and some Vaseline. Use subsonic ammo you can't hear it.

Fite me ATF I'm behind 7 proxies and an armored doggo

>>33126287
>2 metal scouring pads and some Vaseline
explain the use of those

>>33122870
The ATF is a part of the executive branch, they have the authority to enforce laws. And they're allowed to interpret laws however they like until the judicial branch steps in and says that their interpretation is illegal or whatever. Which, theoretically, would happen a lot, but very few people organize enough to take these issues to circuit judges or the Supreme Court.

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>>33126287
>and an armored doggo

>>33126287
This gives me a brilliant idea
>lightly tap brace against shoulder to summon ATF minions
>bring out metal woofer I built with my mastery of cybernetics
>ATF attempts to shoot him but he is bulletproof
>ATF continues trying to shoot pup-pup for several minutes, I flee with my assassin murder weapon into the night

How to escape ATF

>>33124438
>Only bottom and corner posts are reinforced.
>roof will collpse under soile weight

Why not burry it upside down then?

>>33123770

Quite useful as a bullet trap if you live in a small property.

Old FFL I used to work with, he had a similar setup in his shop. Downtown small town, old brick buildings, you know the deal. No room for a shooting range and couldn't have people bitching about "noise" but needed to test fire weapons before selling them, etc.

He had a small room constructed with soundproof materials. Inside that room was the tube which is similar to this picture. Had dampening material on the inside. Also had a backstop installed at the end; iirc, sand, concrete, rebar mix he made.

Worked very well. Could test everything he needed to test without disrupting neighbor businesses.

From the sales desk, about 50-60 feet or so from the test room, just sounded like a door opening or closing.

>>33123831
If the hyphen in your post means "repeating," then those two quantities are exactly the same. No semantics.

6 foot = 5 foot 11.999... inches.

>>33126369
Not op, but you rub the pads in Vaseline to further redux, and place inside can.
The pads, especially when "wet", absorb/mitigate noise

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>>33122841
That isn't recommended because the ceiling will rain dust down on everything when you shoot and lead fumes will get everywhere

t. Someone that has tried this

>>33126400
Not to mention, quite a few circuits are stacked with Democrat judges who rule against The Second Amendment.
See: 4th Circuit

>>33124341
I'm frickin dying over here

>>33122671
Reading the atf definition says that it has to be portable to require a stamp, if it is affixed to the ground, or as I would do welded to a chain attached to a block of concrete it should be completely legal without a stamp, there's a company that makes suppressed shotguns for some kind of work purpose, but they are quite large and not so portable so no stamp needed.

>>33131017
Unknowncat has a video of his questioning the ATF on it and they said it was okay to build a shotgun or buy a shotgun the same as the ones for whatever work they do, they also clarified their definition of portable.

>>33126655
Then everything will get up ended

>>33122671
No
>>33122707
Yes, using a pillow to suppress muzzle report is illegal manufacture and possession of an NFA firearm, punishable by 10 years imprisonment.
>>33122709
That depends on how big it is. A column of tires to shoot through is not a silencer, for example.

If it silences or is a part primarily used to silence attached to a portable firearm then it's a silencer.

>>33131017
>>33131124
Indeed, but the meaning of the word "portable" is best described as "man-portable", i.e. carryable. A silencer for a trailered cannon would not be subject to the NFA.

>>33131715
If I register a pillow am I allowed to change out the stuffing, the case, or neither? I think I need to write a formal letter to the ATF about this, you all should too.

>>33131905
>If I register a pillow am I allowed to change out the stuffing, the case, or neither?
neither
>I think I need to write a formal letter to the ATF about this, you all should too.
I know you're being facetious, but fucking kill yourself. That's not funny to joke about. People will actually write the ATF and then we get stupid shit.

>>33131905
>>33131915
The ATF needs more inundation of letters of people asking for classifications of everyday objects. For the lulz.

>>33131915
>being this salty you didn't think of it first
brb filing patents for pillow suppressors.
Sleeptight Inc.™

>>33124438
Just reinforce the roof you gigantic homosex.

And I don't believe for a second that it would be cheaper to pour a concrete culvert rather than buying a used shipping container and adding a couple reinforcement pillars.

>>33124846
It is. Dipshit trips i swear to fucking god you're an idiot.

>>33124846
t. never tried it

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>>33122671

>>33124476
>>33122801

Possibly this one?
https://casetext.com/case/us-v-crooker-3

>>33124846
It's been tested, but becomes useless after a shot or two.

>>33122870
Because they're part of the Federal government.

>>33131993
The brace debacle proves they take that stuff seriously out of spite

>>33123877
i liek yew

I wonder if anyones successfully set up a pistol range in a basement. Set up some sort of backstop and soundproof the fuck out of it.

>>33132060
>pour
You buy them ready-made, just like shipping containers. You can even buy them second hand in some instances!

Concrete culverts can vary in price from region to region, but at least where I live, they definitely are price competitive with shipping containers, with the added benefit of everything a concrete wall has going for it as opposed to sheet metal, eg. ease of installing electrical conduit, wall fixtures, shit like that.

Also, second-hand shipping containers could've had anything in them, including nasty as fuck chemicals that have left a hefty residue of death inside.

>>33133305
We should send the pillow thing in just to see what kind of petty shit they pull.

>>33133923
/r/ing that pic of the dealer madman who actually registered a shoelace as an MG

>>33132060
>reinforce the roof
>let me build supporting joists in my already small shipping container instead of building it right the first time for cheaper

>>33133873
Cops in my town attached too shipping containers together and made a pistol range out of it.

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>>33123708
I've never heard of this one.

>>33133993
if you stick a staple (or other small metal shim) in the right spot in a Mini-14 or similar trigger group, you can simulate a two shot burst
the gun will fire once on pull and once on release, but you'll also get hammer follow if you release too early
it's really not fun or cool and just makes the gun jam a lot
or, you can spend $350 on an AR-15 trigger than does the same thing with the same problems

>>33124438
10/10 anon did well.
Should've mentioned acoustics making each of your ears its side-bitch one and two, though.

>>33133923
>they call for 200$ stamp on all pillows out of spite
>protests destroy gaytf and nfa
I don't see the problem

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>>33132034
>Sleeptight Inc.™

>>33122955
Because lead dust is a hell of a drug.

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>>33124438

>>33126655
because not everyone can walk upside down you aussie cunt

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>>33122820
good thing i don't have a dog

>>33133968
More info. Greentext. Something! Did they just use a berm as a backstop or what? They must have lit the inside of it right?

>>33124341
I had a good chuckle