Weekend Milsurp thread

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>>33119741
Now I'm craving fried rice.

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>>33119826
I've never even eaten Japanese food, not even sushi.

Aight friendos i ditched my ar15 and am looking back into surplus.but there quite a few choices that i want between those is a m1 garand,sks, and an enfield n04 mk1.Anyone have any input?

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>>33119864
>not cooking for your raifus

>>33119923
>a m1 garand,sks, and an enfield n04 mk1
Yes.

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>>33119826
no, what you really want is some true-American garbage food.

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>>33119923
If you want to shoot a lot, the SKS. Otherwise it depends on what you think is cooler. Personally I'd go with the Enfield over the Garand, but at this point I don't even know if I'm being a contrarian just for the sake of it or not.

>>33119929
If i has the money i would.im also considering flipping my east german makarov since i dont shoot it much.would get me just enough to get a nicer m1 garand or a an sks and an enfield.

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I just bought a Lee Enfield #4Mk1*. The trigger "flops" around a lot, even when cocked with a round in the chamber. The staging on the pull is normal but it's still very floppy.

Is this normal?

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>>33120041
Yes, mine all do.
Anyone else order a cracked stock m39 from classic? I just ordered a "very good"

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>>33120068
>Is this normal?
Yes. All Enfield rifles until the No.4Mk2 or 1/2 and 1/3 rifles just had the trigger hang from the trigger guard instead of it being attached directed to the sear. Take the gun apart and you'll see what I mean.

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My east german makarov,paid 250 for her a month ago.a little pitting towards the front but for the most part minor hllster wear and blueing on the barrel is a little worn.

>>33119741
where to find type 97?

>>33119929
I made beans for my spanish mauser does that count

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What about some American sushi. Absolute killer sushi bar in Commiefornia. The only think i miss about visiting there.

>>33120176
I love the dick grips.
Just ordered one of the Romainan Tokarevs from J&G lads. I'll post it when I get it

>>33120229
One on Gunbroker right now.

>>33120268
>there actually is one
oh shit son
>no scope
may as well be just a type 38 correct? still neat though

>>33120257
this makes me hard for some reason
also the fact that they had bayonets on that one machine gun

>>33120268
>sriesel auction
>very obvious number change on receiver

>>33120308
Its atleast correct for a 97, you could put a repro on there and be good to go. Most period scopes are trash anyway, low quality, frosted glass ect. Snipers are nearly universally muh collectors only pieces because of the premium price for trash equipment.

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>>33120308
No, it would be a Type 97 without a scope. Finding a scope isn't that hard, although finding one that will be close to zero is hard. And forget about finding the matching numbered scope.

>the pic is actually of a Type 38 experimental sniper

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>>33120371
I swear there's another one that isn't Sreisel. Or there was a couple days ago anyways.

>>33120371
Is there something wrong with that seller? I know nothing of gunbroker sellers.

>>33120677
Hes notoriously shifty. Always has some rare to find item and click bait tier descriptions. Like this 97 he has listed right now with a very obviously number swap, he has been peddling fakes for some time. Not all are fakes, but he either does it himself to make it more marketable, or somehow draws in the shitbags.

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Today's been a cleaning day for milsurp raifus. M44 is set, m96's bolt is soaking.

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>>33120068
Sorry this pic isn't the best, but this is what a Mk 1/2, 1/3, and 2 will look like.

>inb4 the towel.

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>>33120818
Also I found this sticker on my barrel when I took the gun apart. Anyone know anything about it?

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>>33120739
Quick shot of the Mauser if anyone is interested.

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>>33119741

>arisakas with mums
>if only they had their dust covers

I don't fully know why but I find arisakas with their dust covers on to be beautiful

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>>33120677
>>33120736
He also shadow bids (uses other accounts to bid on his own auctions) to drive the prices up. Though he's been backing off that practice lately, at least with some auctions. Unless you know what you're dealing with, I wouldn't recommend buying anything he sells, ESPECIALLY if it's rare or unusual.

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>>33120869
The one I posted here >>33119864 has it's original matching dust cover. No mum on that one though.

I honestly haven't seen many Type 99 long rifles (the ones in the OP pic) that are mumed and matching with their original monopods and dust cover before. I think I've seen pics of one or too with those parts, but had scrubbed mums.

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>>33120955
And buy a Type 99 long rifle I mean this. Not the common Type 99 short rifle.

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>>33120964
And a late war Type 99 to compare to both of them because why not. This one has a formerly rejected stock.

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>>33120992
Also same manufacturer as >>33120955 >>33119864

They make sewing machines now.

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>>33120739
>>33120861
Nice. I picked up an m/96 a couple days ago.

>>33120964
Fuck, I want one of these so bad. This thread has strengthened my resolve to put a bid on gunbroker next week.

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>>33121021
There is a Type 99 long on broke gunner?

>>33121021

see I have wanted one for a while but the ammo they shoot is fucking expensive because no one uses that ammunition anymore.

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>>33121062
Meh, Grafs 7.7 is like $25 a box.

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>not owning a Hiroshima souvenir

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>>33121053
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/622439348

Honestly, I'll take the first one I can get with a decent stock no wooden buttplate, I don't care if it's the short rifle.

>>33119800
Never forget that JFK was shot by a Mannlicher.

>>33121118
>Bolt is a late war replacement and has matching serial number “701” to that on the left side of the receiver, on the bolt body, extractor, safety, and firing pin.
That slimy piece of shit.
It's a mismatched and renumbered late war bolt. Everything else is correct though.
>>33121139
A Carcano, not a Berthier.

>>33121189
>A Carcano, not a Berthier.

Are you making sport of my Mannlicher?

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>>33121139
>>33121189
If we're gonna start calling them Mannlichers just because they use En bloc clips, then this is also a Mannlicher.

>>33121393

You're not getting the sly "Mannlicher"/"man licker" pun.

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>arisaka rusted and pitted to hell
>someone actually trying to buy it

can you actually recover a firearm that is this fucked up? I mean fuck it doesn't even have a mum and the barrel is rusted.

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>>33121412
I've made that pun so much to my wife it no longer means anything.

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>>33121429
That's fucking nothing; Century's ex-SAMCO Spanish Mausers are in worse shape than that. Some 3-in-1 oil and brass wool and it's back in business.

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>>33121018
Currently doing some work on the insides. Hopefully there's no corrosion inside the bolt.

>>33121429
Meh, that's not too bad. It can clean up some and will probably sell for cheap.

I'm more annoyed that the seller won't show the series and manufacturer.

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>>33121595
Probably don't know that that shits important. Hell I don't even take pictures of that on mine. Which I should.

>>33121615
For which ones? For your Type 30 there never was any series, and the manufacturer is always going to be the Tokyo Artillery Arsenal.

>>33119776
How is working that bolt, it visually is interesting and somewhat awkward looking but I bet it's pretty comfy.

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>>33121907
I thought there was a small run of carbines by Nagoya.

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>>33121924
It's amazing. Highly ergonomic actually, and you can work it really, really fast if you practice.

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>>33121936
Not Type 30 carbines.
>>33121924
It's the opposite of awkward when you use it.

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>>33121953
>literal glock safties

>>33121980
I wonder what my 38 Carbine is....I should go check.
>>33121982
Safeties are superfluous on infantry rifles IMO.

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>>33121995
Post a pic of it and I can tell you.
>>33121982
They were ordered not to load them until they got into combat, like most militaries did at the time. The original 1886 Lebel had a safety and they removed it in the M93 updates.

>>33119741
Anything else is for hipsters and gypsies

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>>33122060
Looks like a Nagoya. No clue about series.

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>>33120000
I was out shooting at the local gravel pit and a guy offered me his SKS with 15 rounds to shoot for the 5 in my 1945 Mauser. Shit was fun with semi auto for once. He warned me it was prone to over heating and going full auto. :}
We blasted some pumpkin targets, he used up the last of my 1955 Waffen surplus ammo.

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>>33122169
I love my SKS, it's something, to me at least, is an acquired taste though.

>>33122121
It's a 4th series ニ "ni" Looks like it wasn't stamped too well, which is pretty common. Sometimes those series marks were stamped even sideways and upside down.

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>>33122192
Here's a better look at it.

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>>33122182
What country is your SKS?

>>33122254
>>33122182

how rare is a Yugo SKS with grenade launcher sights? my local gun range rents one out and I noticed it has them intact.

>>33122254
Romanian. It's the first gun I ever bought.

>>33122264
Not particularly rare. They're one of the most common SKS around, maybe the most common.

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>>33122251
Yeah, it's a 4th series. They only made a "no" or "Zero" series without a series mark and 4th, 5th and 6th.

I see now! It's a double strike!
>>33122254
>1954 Izhevsk
>got it dirt cheap too

>vz24 with bayonet, $250
>FR8 with bayonet, $375
>de-sporterized Enfield Mk 3 in a drill purpose stock, $325

If I can only buy one, maybe two of these, which should I go for? The vz is looking like my first choice but I'm not sure.

>>33122278
Oh neat. My wife will be happy to hear her little carbine is uncommon.>>33122285

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>>33122278
If you don't see the double strike this will help.

>>33119826
Underrated post

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>>33122303
Eh, it's interesting, but I would add any value because of it. I don't really consider a 4th series T38 carbine to be uncommon.

My P38 also has an over/double strike.

>>33122285
Vz is a god tier choice

>>33122350
I thought Nagoya were less common than the Kokura ones. I mean, I know it's not a Jinsen or anything.

Eh, whatever. She just likes the because they're tiny. I generally consider all the carbines to be hers.

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Aw c'mon guys! Guns are funs and funs are fun!

>>33122413
Nah, Kokura only made like 50,000 Type 38 carbines, all in the 2nd series like mine posted above. Tokyo made 200,000 or so carbines, and Nagoya about another 200,000. A couple thousand had no series mark and another couple thousand in the 6th series.

Jinsen didn't make Type 38 carbines, only rifles. Those rifles are pretty rare though. I've seen one and it was bubba'd to hell and back ;_;

You were probably thinking of Hoten Arsenal (Mukden) Those carbines are uncommon.

>>33122457
Probably. Or I'm just remembering numbers wrong, as I often do.

how hard would it be to replace the stock on a sporterized arisaka?

I keep seeing them with perfect mums but sporterized to hell

>>33122521
It's a waste of time and money. Original stocks are expensive, and there is no NOS ones out there. Assholes are taking original and matching guns and breaking them apart.

>>33122626

so basically go for a standard arisaka with the mum with the extra hit to the wallet?

>>33119929
Teach me how to cook.
Ive got vegetable oil i spread in a pan but it all boils away or something before my chicken/other food is cooked.

Any of you guys trying to pick up a t91 upper once they come in. Counts as milsurp right?

>>33119741
And those guns are garbage, gewher 98 is better

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>>33121509
Swedes are my favorite mauser like it even better than my K98 and I'm a slight wehraboo

>>33121953
Seen one at a show for $350 was gonna make a deal but then I seen it was re chambered for 308 WIN didn't want to lose my fingers/face

Just bought a dirty 9130 mosin,
210$, have no idea how to clean it.
Wood is coated in cosmoline,
Bolt jammed after 3 shots.

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>>33124486
>have no idea how to clean it.
Soak the metal parts in mineral spirits for 24-48 hours; then pull them out and wipe dry.
>Wood is coated in cosmoline,
Wipe it off the surface with rags, heat the stock with a hair dryer and wipe the cosmo off as more comes out.
>Bolt jammed after 3 shots.
That's what happens when you don't clean out the cosmo first; the heat and pressure of firing bakes the grease into glue.

>>33124498
Thanks man, I'm retarted

Classic firearms is selling finish m39s for pretty cheap. only thing is that the stocks are slightly cracked.

I got one anyway, a SAKO version.

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My Brazilian Mauser

>>33119741
>GEE BILL, TWO MUMS?

>>33124563
Did yours come in yet? I ordered a VKT "very good" on Friday.

Hey /msg/,

I picked up an M96 at a gun show the other day, and perhaps stupidly I took it out to my range without getting it safety checked.

It can dry fire fine, but when I chambered a few rounds of 6.5x55 swede, the action hit home but it wouldnt fire. After waiting until it was obvious these werent hang fires, I extracted the ammo and the primers didnt even have dents on them, indicating the firing pin hadnt struck them.

I got spoked because I wasnt sure if the head spacing was totally fucked and didnt want to keep playing around with it, has anyone experienced this with a surp and have any reccommendations? Perhaps then firing pin/ spring is fucked and I need replacements?

I disassembled the bolt and gave it a good cleaning, but im not sure if that will make any difference.

>>33124881
With the bolt out of the rifle and the cocking piece in the fired position does the firing pin protrude from the bolt face? Could have a broken firing pin or it was rechambered at some point.

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>>33125025
>With the bolt out of the rifle and the cocking piece in the fired position does the firing pin protrude from the bolt face?
This. Remove the bolt, de-cock it, and take a picture of the firing pin protrusion through the bolt face.

>>33120647
is that a US krag, chambered in 30-40 krag?

>>33125055
No that's a US Springfield, chambered in .30 Army.

>>33123490
>Mauser 98
>Better than a Arisaka
Hahahaha

No.

>>33119864
Sushi's pretty good tbqh famalam

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Only picture since I'm at work, but my m24/47 yugo is something I'll never replace. Granted the ammo gets pricey, but every shot feels worth it.

>>33124411
From a safety perspective you'd have been fine. But the rechambered ones do suffer many other problems.
>>33124881
Firing pin may be clipped. While not common it does happen and is a cheap fix.

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>post the same images we always do: the thread

>>33125025
>>33125034
>>33125089

Hey guys, thanks a ton for getting back to me.

Heres the firing pin in the decocked bolt, it doesnt protrude at all.

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>>33125113

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>phoneposting keeps rotating the image

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>>33125104
But no.

>>33125113
>it doesnt protrude at all.
Take the firing pin out and post a pic. Also make sure the bolt body has all the cosmoline cleaned out.

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Picked up this 1914 Mauser yesterday. I've been wanting a WWI era pistol for awhile. This was made post war, but seemed to be in good enough shape for my liking. was $350 out the door.

>>33125121
I was mostly making fun of myself my dude

>>33125118
That's not de-cocked. You have to rotate the bolt shroud 90° until the top of it lines up with the split lug.

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>>33125134
Excuse my ignorance, I hope this ones correct. The firing pin still doesnt protrude.

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>>33122637
It's roughly $300 for your usual Arisaka. One with a cut stock is what $150? Now buy another stock for $200 and then another $50 for bands.

>>33124881
That's not a headspace issue.

>>33125055
Yes.

>>33124615
I actually have 3 guns that are mumed. The 4th one I had I sold.

>>33125078
One day I'll try it.

>>33121429
thats not too bad. remember the Type 99 has a chrome lined barrel so it will almost always be in good shape. that rust is cosmetic and will go away with some oil and brass/bronze wool

>>33125198
>Excuse my ignorance, I hope this ones correct.
It's all good. I would guess that there's some grease or other crap built up at the front of the bolt body cavity. Get in there with some solvent and a bottle brush, or a plastic dental pick and clean it out.

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>>33124575
Brazilians are truly God-tier Mausers

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I don't have any good pictures of any of my guns. This is my newest, got it maybe two weeks ago. Currently it is all in pieces waiting for me to stop having to write papers for college so I can mineral spirits all the metal bits to gey the cosmo and shit off.

>>33125085
start reloading senpai. load up some s.S. Patrone 8mm. none of that pussy commercial 8mm
>197.5 grain bullet ripping at 2500 fps

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Does anybody still have surplus 8mm in stock

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>>33125399
SG Ammo gets some in occasionally. Liberty Tree has some left if you're willing to spread your anus that wide.

>>33120000
Looks like you had some retarded wetback lay those papers. Terrible

>>33125603
*pavers

>>33119741
>AR-15s are for plebeians and philistines.

>he doesn't even own any LATIFUNDIA
>not a single iugerum of land is his

>>33125603
They aren't pavers. It's stamped concrete.

I'm just nibbling in milsurp with my nugget, sino-banian SKS, and SMLE.

There's a gun show in town next weekend, anything I should look for that's around the same price?

>>33125199
You're a lucky fuck.

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>>33125922
>anything I should look for that's around the same price?
Cheap Mauser.

>>33120084
I impulse bought one as soon as I saw your post.

Question about the M39s. Is the unobtanium Civil Guard the only bayonet available for that rifle?

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>>33119741
>live in south america nogunz country
>will never ever get to shoot a bolt-action

One life and I'm born into this

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>>33126124
Which one?

>>33126124
Come to america bro! Join the military become a citizen!

>>33126157
legit question, does military accept everyoen as long they can speak english decently or they need special people like translators or ex-mil guys ?

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>>33126137
Is it this one?

>>33121982
French were never very big on safeties. When I browse french-speaking forums on firearms, I regularly reads things about the questionable usefulness of safeties.

I few days ago, i've read something that went like this
>Ahaha, americans and their safeties.
The only safety you need is between your ears.

>>33125116
BLACKED

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I love my Greek Mannlicher. Maybe I should pick up a carbine as a gift to myself.

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>>33125947
An intact mum isn't exactly rare by any means. About half of the rifles that came home had them intact. The only difference is that a mummed rifle tends to sell much faster than one without it. I've seen people run away from original and matching rifles that have a defaced mumed and pick up a trashy mismatched and refinished example with one.

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>>33126406
How does it shoot? I have 3 rounds of 1950-dated FN 6.5x54mm in my cartridge collection.

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>>33120084
>>33126087

Would these make good shooters even with the cracked stock?

Or should I buy one just to put it in a new stock for shooting purposes?

Pic only kinda sorta related

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>>33126546
Depends on where the crack is. My m/27 shot fine despite the stock being split in half through the receiver inlet
>3 years on and I still haven't gotten around to fixing it

>>33126546
Classic did put up a YouTube video of the cracked stocks. They didn't look too horrible, but I wouldn't put it past them to fuck you out of an acceptable rifle.

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>>33126500
It's the smoothest bolt action ever, recoil is light as hell (but it should be for a 9lbs 6.5 caliber rifle) and seems accurate enough, though I haven't done any formal testing for it. Waiting for better weather to do that.

>>33121455
What's that third rifle from the top?

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>>33126656
Finnish Civil Guard m/24rv carbine in an m/27rv stock.

>>33125241
What country SKS is this? And how much did it cost? Looks perfect.

>>33126719
Thanks, I was supprised to find one like that myself. I have always wanted one, so I overpaid at 450. Shipping and ffl charge has it around 485 or so. It is a yugo with a flash hider instead of the grenade launcher.

>>33124563
not yet, I just placed my order yesterday. Show me some pics when yours comes in. I got a excellent SAKO.

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>>33126960
>>33124815

>>33125072
What makes the Arisaka better?

I noticed a problem with my new Berthier the other day
>decock rifle by closing the bolt and pulling the trigger at the same time
>bolt cocks and opens fine
>dry fire the gun
>bolt gets stuck and takes two tries to open
I do not know if this will happen when I fire live ammo, but it's annoying and would be a problem if it does. Any ideas of what might cause this?

>>33127082
Better sights, stronger action, simpler to maintain.

>>33127122
Make sure the bolt screw isn't loose. It can start to wander out and from there working the action is incredibly difficult.

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>>33119741

>>33124498
Can I dump my entire receiver action+barrel into a bucket of that stuff and be fine? (SMLE mk3 btw)

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>>33127122
I don't know if that is a specific problem with Berthiers, but not all rifles should be decked by pulling the trigger while closing the bolt. That works with a Mauser, but some guns, like an Arisaka will lock the bolt up if you do that. Though, most Arisakas will prevent the striker from dropping in that case.

With that said, you really shouldn't need to decock the gun.

Pics of your Berthier?

So I recently found out that Brazil used M1903 Springfield's for a while, did they put on any markings to identify that they used them? Also can someone redpill me on Carcano's that were re cambered for 8mm Mauser

>>33121393
Berthier and carcano are mannlichers tho.

>>33127346
No, they aren't. They have nothing to do with Mannlicher outside of using En bloc clips.

I don't know if this necessarily belongs here, but I recently bought a model 1916 Spanish Mauser, converted to 7.62. All matching serial numbers and the fascist police crest on the barrel. I already know I over paid for it (400 when its worth about 200 maybe to the right person) but hell I wanted it and I had the extra cash. Old weird shit like that gets me hard so I dont feel bad about getting it. Don't have my phone on me or I would post pics. Is it even safe to shoot? I've heard the converted ones are near death-traps.

>>33127418
It's now chambered for around almost 10kpsi higher pressure than original.
Safety depends on how it was converted. Any kind of chamber insert would simply be a garbage rifle. New barrel is ine, even a setback and rebored rifle is okay to an extent.
Periodiclly check the lugs for excessive setback if firing full power loads.

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>>33127249
>Can I dump my entire receiver action+barrel into a bucket of that stuff and be fine? (SMLE mk3 btw)
Yes, though if your SMLE has been finished in Suncorite IDK what the mineral spirits will do to the paint.

>>33127418
>Is it even safe to shoot?
As long as it passes a headspace check. If you shoot .308 in it too check the headspace with .308WIN gauges too; there are minor dimensional differences in the allowable tolerances between 7.62NATO chambers and .308WIN chambers, and sometimes thinner .308 casings can stretch too much in 7.62 chambers and rupture.

>>33122457
>tfw the bubba'd 38 carbine I bought is a Hoten

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My Vz.98 is probably in one of these photographs.

>>33127418
From what I've heard 1916 Mausers are good to go since they replaced the barrel and chamber entirely. It's the 1895 Mausers you gotta watch out for because they just reamed the barrel out for 7.62 and welded in a new chamber.

This is the only place I can think of to ask this here on /k/. I've been collecting a lot of WWII European crap lately (bought a '14 Swedish Mauser last month) and I ended up getting a Nazi Armband and a SS armband in a deal with some other stuff. It's sort of dirty. Any of you guys know how to clean it?

>>33127948
Take it to the dry cleaners.

>>33127973
You know, that would 100% totally fucking clean it but you know I can't bring that shit to the fucking dry cleaners.
Hell, they might even press it for me.

>My captcha was a kid with an umbrella.

>>33120084
What is the top rifle?

>>33120084
You dun goofed. They sold all their decent quality ones, waited 3 months then sold the broken ones for the same price.

>>33120257
What am I looking at here????

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Don't mind me, just posting cock on close master race.

>>33127124
also chromed barrel.

>>33128070
Is that a swede?

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>>33128079
Nah, just a roach '93.

>>33128078
Only on the 99, so I don't consider it.
>>33128070
>Cock on close
>Master race
No.

>>33128158
Cock on close is smoother/faster than cock on open. It's just a fact, unless of course you haven't handle both in which case you may continue living in your fantasy world.

>>33128158
Namefags confirmed for shit taste.

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Anyone here know anything about replacing the stock on an M1903? I wanted to get a CMP C-Stock to put on my 03A3 but when I called the CMP a guy on the phone was telling me I might want to send it in so it can get "properly installed" so the stock wont crack in half. Is there an issue with installing M1903 stocks correctly or is it just a meme for me to give them Money?

>>33128215
I still believe the No.4 Lee Enfield is the greatest standard-issue bolt-action rifle ever designed. People can "muh Mauser" all they want, but the No.4 has quite a few benefits over just about all Mauser pattern rifles. A couple drawbacks, sure, it's not 100% perfect, but I believe the pros heavily outweigh the cons. No rifle is perfect.

>>33128232
If anything the .303 being rimmed is the biggest draw back to any of the Enfields

>>33128130
Ah. Looks like my swede only in a million times worse condition. But the wood looks nothing like it, come to think about it.

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>>33128259
Yeah, she's beat to shit. I don't mind too much however.

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>>33127230
shiggy diggy

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>>33128189
The fuck you think you're talking to here?
>>33128232
You'd be wrong. The Mas 36, Type 99, and 1903a3 all best the Enfield.
>>33128255
And the two piece bolt head. And the rear locking lugs. And the exposed magazine. And the more complicated bolt disassembly.

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>>33128255
Not a major problem but I hate having to take off like 10 screws to strip mine down compared to the 98K.

>>33128310
>Type 99
The irony being the type 99 is a cock on close.

>>33128331
Yes, that's one of its only flaws. That and the lack of receiver mounted aperture sights.

>>33128310
>and the exposed magazine
Thats hardly an issue, its the shitty feed lips and people who slam the mag in

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>>33128310
>>33128232
>best bolt action standard issue
>not chambered in .45-70 buffalo holocaust

u wot m8?

>>33128368
More prone to damage, gotta mark it lower than a internal magazine.
>>33128391
When was this standard issue?

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>>33128431
Trials guns from 1879-1885.

technically not 'standard' issue, but at the time nothing really was. (Trapdoor, Remington Lee, Lee Navy, Chaffee Reece, Winchester Lee, Keane, Burton Ward, just to name a few). Not the rifles' fault the Ordnance Dept. was fucking up for half a decade.

>>33128255
That's pretty much the biggest drawback, yup. The other one could be considered the dual rear-locking lugs rather than dual forward-locking lugs, but they're plenty sturdy enough for .303 and .303 is just a small step behind .308 so all in all it's just fine. No, you can't safely rechamber a Lee Enfield to, say, 7mm Rem Mag or something like that, but that's not exactly an issue since .303 is potent enough to hunt just about anything but elephant or something insane like that, even though it has been used for elephant in the past.

>>33128310
Cock-on-close is indeed faster than cock-on-open, and here are the benefits of the No.4 Lee Enfield vs M1903A3

>Cock-on-close
>Floating barrel
>10-rnd capacity
>60 degree bolt turn
>Able to be fired without taking your hand from the bolt

Benefits of No.4 Lee Enfield vs Type 99

>Floating barrel
>10-rnd capacity
>60 degree bolt turn
>Able to be fired without taking your hand from the bolt

Benefits of the No.4 Lee Enfield vs MAS 36

>No clue because admittedly I've never handled an MAS 36 nor researched it.

As for the final bit of your reply.

>two-piece bolt head
Makes it easy to swap out the bolt head if head-spacing becomes an issue, which almost never happens

>rear locking-lugs
If it had forward locking-lugs then yeah, head-spacing would probably never be an issue, but as-is it's plenty sturdy enough for .303 and that's what counts.

>Exposed mag
Um... so? The mags are made ruggedly as fuck, and are very tight-fitting so it's not like hitting them is likely to break or loosen said mag. Not only that, but pretty much every standard-issue rifle on the planet today has an exposed magazine; it's a non-issue.

>More complicated bolt disassembly
Ah yes, I forgot that one. That is a genuine down-side due to needing a specific tool to remove the firing pin from the bolt. I'd say this is the one fair point you've made out of the four.

>>33128345
Seriously, how is cock-on-close in any way a negative? It's so smooth!

>>33128368
>slam the mag in
The magazine is meant to only be removed for cleaning. Who's been doing tactical reloads with their No.4?
>>33128310
How are rear locking lugs worse than front? Just curious.

>>33128431
You're seriously counting external mags as a 'low mark'? Not only that, but...
>>33128345
God-tier cock-on-close bolts of utter smoothness?

... and we're supposed to take you seriously? Still seems to me that the No.4 is the best standard-issue bolt-action rifle out there. Also, the M1903A3 was never standard-issue to my knowledge. The M1903A1 was, as I recall. The M1903A3 was basically a modification to the M1903A1 to make it a bit more compatible for new troops who were going to end up with an M1 Rifle once they finished training.

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>>33128499
great post. you forgot to mention that the No4 is better looking than all the others too.

plus the lighter bayonet means less adverse effects on accuracy while fixed and easy to maneuver in a fight. More in line with modern tactics.

>>33128501
Rear-locking lugs aren't as sturdy as forward-locking lugs. The pressure goes through the whole length of the bolt until it gets to those lugs, which can cause a loosening of head-spacing as you fire thousands upon thousands upon thousands of rounds. Really, it's pretty much a non-issue, unless of course you wanted to rechamber the Lee Enfield to a Magnum rifle cartridge. As-is though, it's a plenty strong enough bolt for .303, even with extended use, and that's what counts. I've handled a good 7 Lee Enfields before at least, and have used gauges to check the head-spacing on somewhere between 4-6 of them. Not a one of them failed the no-go gauge, and a couple of them were produced early in WWI and one was from the 19th century.

>>33128499
>even mentioning the free floated barrel
Its a worthless addition seeing as the lee was one of the least accurate ww2 rifles.

>cock on close as an advantage
This is stupid because both cock on close and cock on open have their pros and cons

Leefags are second only to wheraboos when it comes to overhyping their guns.

T. Guy who owns two lees

>>33128501
>How are rear locking lugs worse than front? Just curious
More finnicky to get into battery than a cock on open. Also you're fighting harder to close it and pushing the rifle away from your body. Smooth yeah, but it's not gonna beat one of my Mannlichers which are cock on open so...
>>33128538
A lower mark yes. It is a design more prone to damage and failure. As someone whose busted more than a few mags while deployed can attest to.
>>33128499
Oh....it's you. Yeah we've already had this conversation numerous times at length.

>>33128551
The P13, P14 and M1917 rifles are contenders for the greatest Infantry bolt-action ever designed (it was never standard-issue to my knowledge though the Americans used the fuck out of them). Sure its basis is sort of a Mauser action, though HEAVILY modified (far more than the M1903 which is basically a blatant copy).

>Cock-on-close
Improves smoothness
>Can be fired without your hand leaving the bolt
Improves speed of follow-up shot
>Long-radius aperture sights
Improves precision
>Cheaper to manufacture than typical Mauser rifles
Bonus
>Strong-as-fuck bolt
Possibly the strongest of WWI or close to it. Can be rechambered to magnum cartridges unlike Lee bolt.

Cons

>90-degree bolt turn
Makes it inherently slower than a Lee bolt rifle
>5 or 6-round mag
Pretty much half that of the Lee Enfield
>M1917 fires .30-06
A lot longer bolt-throw than for .303, making for slower bolt-work
>Heavy
Though to be fair, it probably would have been easy to make a P14 Mk.II or M1917A1 post-war that is lighter

Oh yeah, and I anticipate that someone might suggest it takes twice as long to reload a Lee Enfield. Firstly, there's no rule saying you can't just reload 5 rounds at a time. Secondly, if you grab 2 clips at once instead of 1 at a time, the only action that is doubled is placing the clip and loading it, while the only step that is added is tapping the top of the empty first clip back to eject it while preparing to place the second clip. You open and close the bolt only once, and only go for ammo once if you get two clips at once. So it does not take twice as long to reload from empty, but you get twice as many rounds. Mauser clips ARE inherently smoother than Lee clips, but with a little bit of practice you can use a Lee clip JUST as fast as a Mauser clip.

>>33119923
Enfield no.4 mk.1

>>33128650
Are you really comparing to thin aluminum AR-15 mags to all steel Enfield mags?

>>33128698
Are you Implying that, from a mechanical standpoint, they are equal to a internal box magazine?

>>33128616
>Lee is one of the least accurate WWII rifles
1.5MOA isn't accurate? The No.4 Mk.2 was 1MOA from the factory.

>Cock on close has cons
>Cock on open has pros
Name them.

>>33128650
>More finnicky to get rear-locking lugs into battery
False; I've not experienced any such issues. If you can't overcome the small amount of resistance upon closing the bolt, that's your own ineptitude.
>fighting harder to close it
You're a pussy if that's the case. I just close it with authority; don't even notice the resistance upon closing, it is completely bypassed, but you cannot bypass the resistance upon opening a cock-on-open
>Pushing the rifle away from your body
You really do sound like a pussy; you know that, right?
>Smooth but not gonna beat one of your Mannlichers
How so? The Lee bolt is literally about as smooth as a bolt-action can get. (cock-on-close, 60-degree turn, can be fired without releasing the bolt). Can you rapid-fire 2 shots per second with a Mannlicher?
>Design more prone to damage and failure due to exposed mags, supposedly something experienced from deployment
Lee Enfield mags are made from steel; not aluminium or plastic. They can take a lot more abuse, and since they're nowhere NEAR as long they're less likely to get abused to begin with.
>We've had this conversation before
Possible, but evidently not enough times; you still seem confused about cock-on-close vs cock-on-open. Seriously, having to resort to 'exposed mag', and cock-on-close being a 'negative' aspect? Fairytales. If those are the worst supposed 'negatives' there are besides the almost non-existant bolt-head issue and the fact you need a tool to fully disassemble the bolt, it's no wonder the No.4 Lee Enfield is so great.

>>33128764
>If those are the worst supposed 'negatives' there are besides the almost non-existant bolt-head issue and the fact you need a tool to fully disassemble the bolt, it's no wonder the No.4 Lee Enfield is so great.
When did I ever state or imply the Lee Enfield was not a great rifle? Or is objectively comparing and critiquing the mechanical features of a rifle somehow disparaging it?

>>33128756
Yeah? They're made of sheet steel. Maybe it makes a slightly larger area that can be hit by shrapnel of bullets, but I doubt you can do anything to it with just your hands to fuck it up.

This reminds me of the Pmag vs USGI mag arguments in /arg/.

T. Guy who owns a No.4 and now wants a Mauser and everything else, cause gotta have it all.

>>33125072
>Thinking a shitty gook mauser clone is better than the real thing

dumb tripfag

>>33128491
How much did you pay for that?

>>33128814
So it is a potential area of failure not experienced by other magazine types then yes? The frequency of such occurrences in a direct comparison between the two is irrelevant, because one cannot happen in 50% of the cases to begin with.

And yes, it does take 2x as long to reload, especially from the shitty clips it requires.

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>33128866
Not even worth a (you).

>>33128764
>t-theyre 1 MOA
Theyre not. Its a well known fact that lee chambers are oversized to prevent jamming in dirty conditions, noticeably reducing accuracy.

>Name them.
I wont bother because youll just say "nu-uh" but the fact that most moden bolt actions are cock on open should give you a clue.

>>33128756
Seriously... you really think it's a note-worthy thing to harp on? In theory, yeah, an internal mag is less likely to be broken than an external mag, but the Lee mag is FAR smaller than an aluminium STANAG mag thus far less likely to meet abuse, and it's also made of steel that is VERY rugged. It's a non-issue. Worrying about a Lee mag to break is literally as ridiculous as worrying about rimlock every single time you work the bolt. Both instances are so unbelievably rare that it's non-issues. No, Murphy's Law doesn't apply here. Sure in war I'm certain that a bullet has broken a Lee mag before, but such a bullet could also break an internal mag and with how many Mauser rifles have seen battlefields I'm certain that very thing has happened before.

If the mag breaking and head-spacing are the biggest things you can harp on to try and down-play the No.4 Lee Enfield, then it's a testament to how good the design is.

As for your complaints in regards to cock-on-close, that literally stems from either you being a limp-wristed pussy, or you simply not having much experience with cock-on-close rifles. Pick one. Or both; both is also an acceptable answer.

>Floating barrel
>Long-radius aperture sights
>Cock-on-close
>60-degree bolt turn
>10rnd mag
>Clips capable of being just as smooth as Mauser clips
>Storage compartment in buttstock for brass oil can and pull-through
>1.5MOA from factory with No.4 Mk.I
>1MOA from factory with No.4 Mk.2
>Cheaper to produce than predecessor Mk.III
>More accurate than predecessor Mk.III

Downfalls

>Needs specific tool to fully disassemble the bolt
>Rimmed cartridge
Practically a non-issue; rimmed cartridges are still used today in box magazines
>Potential head-space issues due to rear-locking lugs
Practically a non-issue; probably takes tens-of-thousands or hundreds-of-thousands of rounds to do so; probably have to worry about rifling before head-spacing
>Exposed mag
Non-issue
>Can't be rechambered to magnum cartridge
Non-issue

>>33128866
>thinking a directly updraded design is worse than the original because youre a wehraboo

>>33128894
>you simply not having much experience with cock-on-close rifles.
Yes, two Type 30s, two Enfields, a P14, a Type 38 that I personally own, and dozens of other rifles I've fired in the past, are clearly not enough experience to comment upon the action, because it's a tad smoother than a Mosin or a Mauser. But not smoother than a Mannlicher Shoenauer, or a Mas 36, or a M95 (which is different because it's a straight pull but whatever). But forget about those guns because...well I dunno why honestly. Or the 60 degree argument, which is meaningless in terms of a infantry rifle.

>>33128912
>>33128882
Arisakas are only better in shitty environments where gooks fought in WWII, even though they got cucked by americlaps using eve more murifatclapi mauser clones

stop being a weeaboo faggot, and just admit that German engineering is superior

>>33128871
It does not take twice as long to reload a Lee Enfield, unless of course you don't practice, which it REALLY sounds like you don't. I've reloaded my Lee Enfields from empty with 2 clips in less than 5 seconds. That was probably 6 years ago, back when I only had the rifles for a few months. I practiced with them often while using snap-caps.

>>33128884
... so you refuse to 'name them' because you think I'll just say 'nuh-uh', but that's pretty much what you did in regards to No.4 Mk.I being 1.5MOA. The No.4 Mk.I was 1.5MOA with Mk.VII Ball .303 British, and the Kar98k was 2MOA with s.S. Patrone 8mm Mauser even though 8mm was loaded hotter than .303 (and pretty much all other standard infantry service cartridges in WWII).

The Mk.III* was 3MOA from the factory, that was the minimum requirement, which was on par with the M1 Rifle. The No.4 is inevitably more accurate than the Mk.III* due to having a far heavier barrel and also free-floating, so what are you suggesting? It's only 2.5MOA?

>>33128894
Also, you can't say "non issue" to everything that is completely absent from other designs. Just because you love the Lee best, doesn't make it the best. I love my Lebel, but that doesn't make it great. Because let me tell you, objectively speaking, the Lebel sucks.

>>33128971
http://www.allaboutenfields.co.nz/links-resouces/articles/articles-of-interest/

I dont know where youre getting these numbers but its well known that lees are not particularly accurate rifles. In fact, its the opposite. Even the snipers were only expected to achieve 2.5 moa

>>33128989
>not a mauser or mauser clone
of course its shit and completely irredeemable

>33128956
>33129009
>Trying this hard
I'm a bit old to fall for your ruse chief. Go try someone else.

>>33129030
>to old to use a proper mauser
i think you mean new

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>>33128868
$1500, last year

worth. every. penny.

recoil is similar to the m95 Winchester lever nugget

>>33128871
>having to come up with almost nonexistent scenarios to prove the superiority of an internal mag

Oh, and if your Enfield mag is damaged by shrapnel you can simply replace it unlike an internal mag.

>>33120257
oh shit nigger it's actually thing (kinda)
>sasuga Bubba-kun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7sTrL-sKAM

>>33129097
>paying over a $1000 for something that isnt a WWI era Gewehr 98
wew look at this faggot

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>>33129105
I paid less than $1000 total for all the guns in this picture. you can tongue my anus.

>>33127308
>>33128218
sum 1 pls

>>33129129
they aren't in immaculate condition no shit they were cheap, all the more reason that moist nuggets and other shit shit is inferior

>>33129129
where did you get them that cheap?
are they german made?

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>>33129133
i would try looking at forums (google is your jewish friend) and jewtube for stock install help. I've never heard of an issue about fit, but early and late model guns probably do have some slight differences that might matter.

The germans converted carcanos into single shot 8mms for the Volksturm in 44/45.

>>33129160
nice b8 m8, have a (YOU)

>>33129169
I hunted for deals / got lucky / knew the right people.

Top one is 1918 Mauser
Middle is all matching 1905 Spandau
Bottom is a model 1909 Peruvian (i forget the DOM)

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>>33129169

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>>33129169
Peruvian

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>>33129192
the 1918 has a small roach stamp at the top, but no other roach markings and is mostly matching.

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>>33129129
Thanks for reminding me, my Kar98 needs a big brother.

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>>33129365
it needs a little brother too

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>>33128391
>47-70 buffalo holocaust
Holy shit

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>>33129527
>the average Bison weighs as much as 10 humans (2k lbs)
>estimated 50 million Bison were slaughtered during the over hunting period in the late 19th century

>mfw the buffalo holocaust was equivolent to 500 million people being slaughtered and I have no face

>>33129521
Eh, maybe one day. I have so little interest in 98ks though.

>>33129521
what a stunning rifle, 10/10 would be proud to own

tell me /k/, my and a friend went to a local gun show and there was a milsurp stand that had a decent selection. i bought another 91/30 that was still cheap and matching numbers and my friend bought a yugo sks.

we fully disassembled and cleaned the guns spotless and took them out to shoot and the sks slam fired EVERY round in it, not just a couple. what can we do to fix that? and if its something we arent smart enough to fix is it illegal to own?

>>33122169
Is that a Mexican mossberg?

how hard is it to replace a fucked mas 36 front sight? I found a cheap one on gunbroker but some dingus fucked with the front sight and shaved the wings/hood off.

>>33129722
Difficult and expensive. There are other ones on Gunbroker, just get one of those.

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>>33129603
As an environmentalist, fuck.
As a gun lover, fuck yeah.

>>33129281
my google is not working but what is a roach stamp? Is that a Turkish thing?

>>33129678
Maybe grind down the firing pin?

Since this thread seems to be the place to ask, I'm about to go look at and probably buy a Yugo M48 (I guess not technically mulsurp most likely, but whatever) at a local store this week. Anything particular to look for when checking it over?

Been wanting an older milsurp rifle, and since most decent Enfields are a little out of my price range, the M48 seems like a solid option for what the store listed it at.

>>33129777
It's an int/pol meme, they call Turks Turkroaches.

>>33129855
thanks for the protip

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>>33129889

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>>33129521
That's not a Kar.98a's little brother.

>>33130136
i said little brother, not premie half aborted fetus

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>>33129804
>Yugo M48 (I guess not technically mulsurp most likely, but whatever)
Why? They were standard-issue infantry rifle for Yugoslavia from 1952-1960s.

Just check for matching serial numbers, bore condition and cracks in the stock (especially behind the receiver tang).

>>33120739
Test

I've got 300 ish bucks to spend /msg/ should I get
>A Spanish M1943 Mauser
>A CMP C-Stock and a Garand Gear plug
>Ammo

>>33125922
>There's a gun show in town next weekend, anything I should look for that's around the same price?
a few pounds of jerky and a mediocre taser

>>33130359
A Reloading press.
>>33130136
Yeah good luck with me finding one of those.

>>33130413
I dont have space for a Press, I have thought about it

>>33126464
where would one look to see if a Type 38 long rifle has all matching numbers? did the Japanese mark certain parts with an assembly number or batch number or anything like that?

>>33128519
damn that's a sexy crest

>>33130249
I had just heard/ read a lot of them were put into storage pretty much right after being put into production, so I didn't know if many saw any use.

So just the normal gun checks then, no notable quirks? Sweet, now I just have to hope it doesn't sell before my refund check from Uncle Sam clears.

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>>33130550
They made almost a million of them, so yes many went into storage. However, in the 1950s Yugoslavia made a concerted effort to retire all their old pre-war and refurbished service rifles and put a new M48 in every infantryman's hands, so many of them did see use. Many of these were also refurbished to like-new condition after they had served their time and were being placed into storage after the adoption of the SKS/AK.

>no notable quirks?
Can't think of any; it's just your standard bolt-action.

>>33130601
Thanks for the info. Definitely sounds like a safe bet for $300.

I'd say I hope this doesn't lead to an expensive addiction to milsurp rifles, but I already have a feeling it will.

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>>33127230
>tfw I had a 1942 Ma Deuce on deployment

Man if these guns could talk...

>>33130136
I've always liked the look of those cavalry carbines. The Kar 88 and 1891 Argentine carbine are also aesthetic as fuck.

>>33128281
how does it shoot?

>>33130645
I bought my first surplus a couple of weeks ago and I'm already looking to add to the collection.

There's a good chance you'll get addicted.

>>33129678
disassemble the bolt and make sure all the cosmoline it out of the firing pin channel and wiped off the firing pin

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>>33130719
>so many guns
>so many markings
>tfw when you'll never own them all

>>33130413
>A Reloading press.
>>33130444
hunt ebay for a used press and buy one on the cheap. what guns do you own that you could reload for?

>>33130798
>you will never own 1 of every milsurp

>>33130845
It's so tempting to dip into my savings to buy more milsurp.

>>33130645
>I'd say I hope this doesn't lead to an expensive addiction to milsurp rifles, but I already have a feeling it will
It's only expensive if you're poor. Besides, there are worse hobbies. Ever own a boat?

>>33130948
>telling him to buy a boat

Jesus Christ may as well tell him to run with scissors at that point

>>33130977
I've never owned one, but I've lived near Marinas most of my life. Very much aware of the literal dumpster fire that boat ownership can be.

Thankfully I don't have a lot of hobbies outside of guns and watches, and I'm about to get a nice refund from the IRS, so cost isn't a major concern in the short term.

>>33131043
>guns and watches
My nigger. What kind of watches do you collect? I've been getting into vintage soviet watches.

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>>33130977
Well I was saying that sailing/boating is expensive in ways that only machine guns can be, and they can far out pace machine guns if you have anything bigger than 20ft.

But boats are fun. I might get one in the next few years, if I lose interest in expanding my gun collection.

>>33131121
Just getting into that as well (recent college grad, first big boy job). Right now nothing really of merit just a bunch of cheap stuff: A Skagen something or other, Timex Expedition Chronograph, Casio MDV106 on a bond nato, and an AVI-8 Hawker Hurricane.

Tried to get a variety to see what I liked best, and I've mostly settled on Dive watches. I'll probably be getting an Orient Ray/ Mako and a Seiko SKX of some sort next. I haven't really settled on a grail watch yet, but I've been eyeballing a Nomos or two to save up for.

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>bring Smelly and FAL out for pig hunt
>See one massive group of hogs running in the dark
>Get out of the Jeep with FAL and pop off two rounds at mass of smelly fur
>Hear a squeal
>Can't find any blood trails
Sad times, every other time we went out, the hogs were at different feeders
But my Enfield (with volley sights) can apparently hit a 1'x1' steel target at 300m, which is good for me, because I haven't had the chance for a lot of rifle shooting in my life. Also sometimes the Enfield has trouble extracting, like it can be difficult to pull the bolt back when I'm ejecting a shell. And for some reason, couldn't chamber a round with a full magazine. 8 or 9 rounds fine, but not 10. All in all, my SMLE is a good rifle, I'm just not a good hunter

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>>33127150
Just checked and the screw is as tight as can be.
>>33127256
The only gun that I can't decock like that is the Arisaka, every other bolt action has worked. You're right about no need to decock but it still works on Mausers, Mosins, Berthiers, Enfields, Vetterlis, pretty much everything except Arisakas.
I've posted my Berthier before but here it is again. Maybe I'll take a prettier picture soon.

PEEPEE

>>33131359
Have you soaked it in kerosene or whatever your degreaser of choice is?

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>>33130798
>tfw when you'll never own them all

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>>33131420
Not with that attitude you won't.

>>33131227
If you do get a boat, please don't take your collection out on it. Too many boating accidents nowadays.

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>>33131420

I know this feel all to well. thank god I don't have a girlfriend so all my disposable income basically goes to guns, ammunition, and video games

>>33131462
>bought kayak, thought I was safe from the boat menace
>still got all my guns

People think the ATF is bad, boats are the true menace we should be worried about.

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Made a decent haul at an auction today. Pic is shitty but whatever.

>1917 Eddystone for $180
>nice 1944 matching M44 for $170
>nice eddystone stock $25
>rough but complete stock and hardware set for what looks like an M1903 for $20
>bidding bought a Mauser 98 trainer in .22 for $170
>Ammo and bullets for about what they're worth

Coulda bought more if my pockets were a little deeper.

>>33131523
>bidding

Fucking phone. Buddy* my buddy got the trainer.

>>33131419
Not yet, but I'll give it a shot.

>>33131462
Perish the thought.

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>>33130948
>tfw into classic cars and guns
>tfw single and living at home so I can spend almost all of my money on car parts and guns
Feels good, even when I'm earning $100 a week

>>33130948
>tfw into
>Guns
>Guitars
>Historical models/wargames
>Vinyl rock albums because fuck you I like the album art
>hike too

I honestly don't know how I afford all these hobbies as a college student.

Oh wait
>single

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>>33131523
>bidding bought a Mauser 98 trainer in .22 for $170
An actual DSM-34? Fucking steal.

>>33131812
>not saving half your paycheck to invest
You really think the great ponzi scheme that is social security won't come crashing down in the next few decades?

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>>33131923
Invest in guns.

>>33131948
But I like my guns, I don't want to sell them.

Do you guys buy from the Mosin crate much? Is he a good place to buy from? He seems like a pretty alright store and his shipping isn't bad.

Apparently new stuff is going up tomorrow so I figured I'd ask now before he put anything up on the preview list.

>>33131908
>>33131812
When I was single I was poor as fuck. Having an extra 40k a year (and a better tax rate) gives me so much more disposable income. Not to mention, my wife has phenomenal credit, so I get great rates on everything too.

>>33131912
We believe it is. He's having someone look at it tomorrow to try and get an idea of its value. It was apparently made in the Oberndorf factory.