Has the US ever won a war on their own?

The Civil War.

Spanish American War.

I'm pretty sure we win the Mexican-American war alone.

>>33115435
>I'm pretty sure we win the Mexican-American war alone.
That depends on whom Texico and the Caliphate of California choose to side with.

>>33115418
Effectively the Gulf War

Yeah. It was called World War Two.

>>33115503
>>33115498
So none?

>>33115418
Yes. Then we have to win wars for pussy ass Europe too.

>>33115531
Don't be such a faggot and read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

And if you come back and say

>hurr durr Merka never won a big international war all by itself it's nothing

Well you got us, we suck at fighting wars because unlike every country ever in the history of warfare we make things called 'alliances.'

Both world wars

>>33115418
>native americans
>americans
pick one, paco

>>33115418
>word for word from /pol/ :)

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>>33115418
faggot don't you remember the cola wars?

A better question would be "has any major war been fought only between two countries with no military involvement, directly or indirectly, from another nation."

The answer to that is "no," dipshit.

>>33115435
>The Civil War.

>Americans vs Americans

>Therefore it's a win because Americans won

Really?

>>33115606
No, it was the Union against the Confederates.

>we didn't win the Mexican-American War because it was a war of Americans against Americans

I know this is bait but fuck off

>>33115606
Technically the Confederacy weren't Americans.

>>33115631
Confederate States of America

They were Americans, just not USA Americans

>>33115418

list of wars and military conflicts where the US fought alone against single or multiple ennmy forces (excluding American Indians[unless allied to another power] but including African slaves)
>German Uprising 1811
>2n Barbary War 1815
>1st Seminole War(Spain+Seminole tribe) 1817-1818
>Aegean Sea Operations 1825-1828
>1st Fiji Expedition 1855
>2nd Fiji Expeditiom 1859
>Las Cuevas War 1875
>Garza Revolution 1891-1893
>Rio de Janeiro Affair 1894
>Philippine American War 1899-1902
>Moro Rebellion 1899-1913
>Border War 1910-1919
>Tanker War 1987-1988
Panama Invasion 1989-1990

>>33115418
The Meme Wars

>>33115678
What about Grenada?

>>33115717
that's what I thought but it wasn't listed.

must be a "rescue mission"

>>33115550
That's not the question though cuck.

>>33115678
Most of them are hardly news worthy.

>>33115603
Wrong

>>33115654
>Wars are fought by governments
>Everyone who lives on North/South America is technically "American"

>>33115627
Mexican-American one is fair, civil war is not

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>>33115784
>cuck
Big insults from tiny minds

>>33115418
How is America supposed to win a war without anyone else being involved? There has to be someone to fight against.

Damn, you're dumb.

>>33115654
Traitors aren't American

>>33115803
So?

They would have been at the time, it's just you don't see them as important

>>33115842
The Union was very Un-American, states have a right to secede , if not then people are forced into an association they do not want, which is not freedom

>>33115418
The Pacific War

Yes, I realize thats just another theatre of WW2 from another perspective, but just as the pooropeans see The War of 1812 as a small theatre of the Napoleonic Wars, the Japanese view the Pacific War as its own war against the US.

And yes, we won that one all by ourselves.

>>33115891
You do realise Britain and Australia were fighting Japan too?
I mean i suppose the Pacific War, as in taking a chain of Islands IS America vs Japan but the wider eastern theatre involved others

>>33115418
war of 1812, started out bad, but even the Brits admit they wound up getting their ass kicked

>>33115905
Kek

Amerilards Btfo

>>33115905
Yeah

But I'm using OP's stupid logic for that post. No country on the planet has ever fought a war completely on its own and won.

OPs just looking for an outlet to vent his frustration of being a chump stuck in a noguns country, more than likely.

>>33115867
Then they're welcome to leave :^)

>>33115418
No, America has never really won a war. The best we did was the revolutionary war but that was just a matter of Britain saying fuck it, we are done sailing way over there, you can have it. They had their hands full with the French anyway.

>>33115803
And that's the thing, any major conflict will be fought between two or more powers. It's nearly impossible for the us to fight a major war without any other power involved. The world was just too interconnected by the time the us came around for other country's not to get involved in each other's conflicts.

>>33115954
>t. european

>>33115418
Well, we are also pretty good at diplomacy so why would we neglect to bring allies if we could?

But lets look back at our very first war post-revolution.

>USA has lots of debt and trying not to get dragged into Napoleonic Wars.
>Barbary states start attacking American ships as they are no longer protected by Royal Navy.
>They want tribute to stop.
>Jefferson: "Fuck that, we'll just wreck them with our Navy!"
>We don't have a navy...
>Pay Ransom for American sailors and start building Navy.
>Barbary States keeps attacking American ships.
>Now have 4 heavy Frigates and a mess of unrated ships.
>European powers break out their lawn chairs "Dis is gonna be gud!"
>US Navy works its way along the Barbary Coast kicking ass and taking names.
>Barbary States, okay you win, we will stop.
>Europe: Golf clap.

>>33115842
They are when it's the name of their country

>>33115934
Didnt America fight Mexico by itself and win?


You would be correct in saying not many wars involve only two powers because allies almost always become involved. But you did not say that.

Most wars are those of coalitions, yet it would be fair to say that in Coalitions some powers make far greater contributions than others and are far more important to the success of the coalition, furthermore there are also coalitions where it was effectively two powers fighting with several less important ones tagging along , for example, Naples or Bavaria did not win the war of the fourth Coalition- but that France did more than any other power.

Also really, there are quite a few, the following are a small list of wars involving only two powers in British military History:

Anglo Spanish War (great armada
Anglo-French war
1st Anglo-Dutch War

after unification
The Third Carnatic War (GB vs France)
Anglo-Mysore war (4 times)
Kandyan Wars
Anglo-Maratha Wars
Gunboat War (denmark btfo)
Anglo-Russian War
Effectively the Peninsula War as the Spanish were effectively defeated from the onset
Punjab War
Anglo-Afghan War
Opium War
Anglo-Sikh War
about 10 Xhosa wars (shooting black people)
Anglo-Persian Wars
Indian Mutiny
Taranaki War
Ashanti War
Bhutan War
Klang War
Abysinnian Expedition
Anglo-Zulu War
Urabi Revolt
Boer War
Anglo-Burmese war
Malayan Crisis
Mau Mau Uprising

>>33115999
Even long before the US came about all but minor conflicts usually involved more than two powers.

>>33115934
>No country on the planet has ever fought a war completely on its own and won.
Yes they have.

>>33116174
Name one

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>>33115842
Then what were the people called who were traitors to the crown?

>>33116226
Well Canadians are loyalist Americans so maybe he is talking about Canadians?

The term that comes into play on the "alliance" word is very hard to judge could the Russians and Chinese pumping weapons and advisors into Vietnam be considered enough. 500000 screaming Chinamen coming over the border in Korea? Countries holding embargos or trying to run them like in the civil war. I would be hard pressed to see two countries completely devoid of any help from the outside fighting a war

>Disregarding small conflicts with native Americans, because they're still Americans.

? No they aren't
Certainly not when any conflict was happening with them.

>>33116243
see list
>>33116144
Chinese, sikhs, bhutanese, mysore, ceylon, Afghans, Persians, French, malaysia, Boers, Zulus, Mahrathas and in earlier centuries, French, Dutch and Spanish

Sometimes nobody else cares enough, sometimes everyone else is busy

>>33116200
There's been loads.

One off the top of my head for example.

Ingrian War

>>33116236
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalist_(American_Revolution)

>vietnam listed as american defeat on wikipedia
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>33116400
It was tho

>>33115531

Quasi-war with France and War of 1812 come to mind

>>33116406
We battered them into making a peace treaty, and then withdrew now that the war was over
They broke the treaty after we were gone

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>>33116406

>Win every engagement
>Lost War

How is someone this retarded?

>>33116400
It was, if only you had just mombed china with nuclear weapons in the korean war then you couldve gone all out in 'Nam

>>33116400
We lost, accept it and move on. Be thankful that relations have improved.

>>33116424
That's irrelevant, you lost then you fled.

>>33116424
I dont know but America managed it.
America left knowing that SV continuing for long was unlikely, it hadnt stopped the tide from the North as it set out to do, just delayed it.
Partly because it couldnt commit properly due to China, but i think China should have been fought and bombed and destroyed- Washington did not.

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>>33116438

>"We"

Don't group me in with your bravo mike papa ass.

>>33116424
>driven from the field by attrition without neutralizing the threat of the North invading the South
>not a loss

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>>33116424

>>33116440

> "...irrelevant..."

How? Winning every engagement and ending things on our terms seems like a victory to me. Politically you can consider it what you want to, but to say it was loss in traditional sense is fucking retarded.

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>>33116446
wew

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>>33116454

Oh boy Wikipedia is always right

>>33116462
>wars are decided on winning specific battles, the side with the most victories win

What's it like living in the 1500's?

>>33116462
You didnt achieve your objectives and didnt end it on your terms

>>33115418
All of the Banana Wars, Spanish American War, Mexican-American War, Grenada, Operation Powerpack

>>33115418
Gulf War

>hurr durr dey still havent won da war in irak xD

We fucking destroyed the world's fourth largest army, something the combined might of Eurocuck Union couldn't come close to

>>33116476
you lost tho, you lost Korea as well.

Not a very good show desu

>>33116483
But objectively speaking America did. The continuation war several years later, sure, South Vietnam lost. Not the conflict the Americans ended.

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>>33116488

Uh huh... Sure.

>>33116483

Of course we didn't.

>>33116486
You're a retard.

>>33116476
kek

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>>33116500

I can't telling if this is baiting or if some Americans actually believe they won in Vietnam.

Even brain dead rice paddy farmers in Vietnam know they won.

>>33116496
That was the thing, the Americans didnt end the conflict properly and secure South Vietnam against attack from communist forces, Washington knew that once America left the North would win

>>33116496
Same conflict, war-loser. Early withdrawal because you got scratched up too much just makes you an even bigger loser.

>>33116525
I dont know either, some Americans are pretty self aware normal people who post shit for the sake of banter , but some actually sincerely believe the shit that comes out of their mouths

>>33116496
USA didn't achieve all its objectives, the NVA did.

>>33116525
>I can't telling if this is baiting or if some Americans actually believe they won in Vietnam.
Sadly, lots of Murricans actually convince themselves they won.

>>33115803
Actually the Naval actions in the Med and North Africa were huge, mainly because it showed that the US Navy was willing to undertake offensive operations half a world away while European nations were sometimes bowing to demands made by pirates. It solidified complete US dominance in Western Hemisphere and placed the US in the high rollers tier in terms of naval power.

>>33115842
True.
>>33115867
Spot the traitor.

Rebellion. Assisted by French and Prussians.
Barbry. Assisted by Spain
1812. Lost to Canada
Mexican war. Assisted by native Americans.
Civil war. Both sides used advisors from Europe.
Spanish war. Lost that one.
Second Mexican war. Lost that one.
Great War. Started late left early
Second World War. Started late after selling material to both sides. Left early.
Korea. Draw.
Vietnam. Lost.
Granada. That is one that was a win, against a country one one hundredth the size and resources of USA.
First gulf. Coalition
Second gulf. Coalition.
Afanistan. Coalition.

So, in the last two hundred and fifty years, only one win all by themselves.

>>33116759
>Second World War. Started late after selling material to both sides. Left early.
uhm
we literally finished it when we vaporized 2 japanese cities

>>33116618
Im not American

>>33116759
I really cant tell if you are just hyper autistic or joking

>>33115603
The Falklands War?

>>33115908
Brits generally know nothing about the war. Considering the US lost all of its offensives and failed to protect its only capital it is hardly a good example of the US at war.

It isn't really conceivable to call it an American victory, it was a draw at most.

>>33116424
The strategic goal was to stop communism, look how that went

>>33119319
>>33119319
>It isn't really conceivable to call it an American victory, it was a draw at most.

US got the Great Lakes, the entire Mississippi-Missouri water-shed, Florida and Maine so it was a hell of a good draw.

>>33115603
the war on fake news

>>33119466
And failed invading canada 3 times in a row and overall took 2 casualties for every 1 dead Canadian/Brit in a war they started.

With the exception of New Orlando (which had no impact on the wars outcome) the US performed badly on land , particularly in the early stages of the war.

Tje US navy however did pretty well, it won most of the single ship to ship engagements even if it lost the larger battles. This directly lead to the British ending the practice of press ganging.

>>33117435
yes but left europe before the germans were finished off

Revolutionary War- US Victory
Cherokee American Wars- US Victory
Northwest Indian War- US Victory
Quasi War- US Victory
First Barbary War- US Victory
Tecumseh's War- US Victory
War of 1812- Stalemate
Creek War- US Victory
Second Barbary War- US Victory
First Seminole War- US Victory
Texas Indian wars- US Victory
Arikara War- US Victory
Winnebago War- US Victory
Black Hawk War- US Victory
Second Seminole War- US Victory
Mexican American War- US Victory
Cayuse War- US Victory
Apache Wars- US Victory
Puget Sound War- US Victory
Rogue River Wars- US Victory
Third Seminole War- US Victory
Yakima War- US Victory
Filibuster War- US Victory
Second Opium War- US Victory
Utah War- Resolution
>fucking mormons
Navajo Wars- US Victory
First Cortina War- US Victory
Second Cortina War- US Victory
Paiute War- US Victory
Reform War- US Victory
Civil War- US Victory
Yavapai Wars- US Victory
Dakota War of 1862- US Victory
Colorado War- US Victory
Shimonoseki War- US Victory
Snake War- US Victory
Powder River War- Inconclusive
Red Cloud's War- Defeat
Modoc War- US Victory
Red River War- US Victory
Las Cuevas War- US Victory
Great Sioux War of 1876- US Victory
Buffalo Hunters' War- US Victory
Nez Perce War- US Victory
San Elizario Salt War- US Victory
Bannock War- US Victory
Cheyenne War- US Victory
Sheepeater Indian War- US Victory
Victorio's War- US Victory
White River War- US Victory
Yaqui Wars- US Victory
Spanish American War- US Victory
Philippine American War- US Victory
Border War- US Victory
Bluff War- US Victory
World War I- US Victory
Russian Civil War- Defeat
Posey War- US Victory
World War II- US Victory
Korean War- Stalemate
Dominican Civil War- US Victory
Vietnam War- Defeat
Invasion of Grenada- US Victory
Tanker War- US Victory
Invasion of Panama- US Victory
Cold War- US Victory
Gulf War- US Victory
Somali Civil War- US Victory
Bosnian War- US Victory
Kosovo War- US Victory

>>33120202
> a bunch of massacres against savages brandishing rocks on sticks
> wars
nice list you got there
also you forgot:
>war in iraq: defeat
>war in afghanistan: defeat
and that's been going on for over 15 years

>>33115418
war of 1812

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>>33115418

US here, we've won every war we've wanted to. We showboat so much that sometimes we invite allies along just to watch how cool we are. Heck, sometimes we fight wars we don't want to win just so we can get rid of surplus equipment and make way for badass new tech.

Stay pleb, rest of the world, and stay getting stabbed, raped, and run over by muslims in europe. Team America world police will be here when you guys come begging us to protect you again.

>>33119319
They defeated the Indian confederacies that Britain was supplying in the Northwest, one of the main causes of the war.

>>33115435
>Spanish American War.
lol, u tricked the flips and cubans to do most of the fighting against the spaniards for you.

>>33116759
Native Americans still count as Americans according to OP's logic. Therefore its not an assistance

do nations ever go to war completely alone?

>>33120311
>a bunch of massacres against savages brandishing rocks on sticks
>implying
You underestimate the guerrilla warfare tactics of Native Americans. And protip:
>They were almost always well supplied with current or captured arms from foreign powers

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>>33115631
>Americans on the continent of America aren't Americans.

>Lincoln didn't consider the confederacy rebels, but still american.

>The Confederacy didn't consider themselves the true United States.

>Even the generals still considered them Americans by the end of the day and only pressed charges on leaders and generals.

You're wrong in nearly every way imaginable.

Has anyone ever really lost a war?

Are feet shoes?

Can a mod fucking perma ban OP? Rape his sister and skin the rest of his family alive.

>>33120202
the fuck are you on about, OP said wars involving no one but the US

Amerifats literally don't know their own history lmao

>>33120202
>Bosnian War
oh was that Bosnia vs USA or something?

>>33115867
This. Lincoln is the third worst president in US history.
MAsshole, not even a Southerner.

>>33121290
There is no continent of "America"

>>33121160
sounds like we won it with BRAINPOWER

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>>33116440
>win every engagement
>have a 10 to 1 k/d
>bully chinkshits into negotiating peace treaty
>peace treaty negotiated
>"America as part of this peace treaty you have to leave"
>"okay"
>We leave
>as we're leaving chinkshits tear up peace treaty
>they bumrush Saigon
>"chinkshits, we had a peace treaty, stop raping all of South Vietnam"
>"FUCKA U AMERICAN PIGDOG" *shoots civilians*
>This is somehow a loss

>>33116525
We didn't though. They objectively lost and then when liberals back home pitched a fit we packed up, left, and then the South Vietnamese got genocided

>>33115591
>i can't take it anymore

>>33115418
>Without the involvement of anyone else.
I mean what the fuck does this mean? The fact the multiple times in history the U.S. has been basically begged to get into wars for the sake of whoever else is BECAUSE THE AMERICANS ARE THE SUPPORT!!!! We're the ones who help the others out when they're like boohoo can't do X on my own. We show up and and who ever we show up for wins period and done.

>kill a shitload of people
>get bored
>go home
>HAH WE WON YOU LEFT

>>33115678
>garza revolution
>us fighting alone

what????? .wikipedia.org/wiki/Garza_Revolution

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>>33119565
No that never happened. You can stop posting anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv1yZ6tq3mY&t=484s

>>33121691
Ah yes, you seem to have a wonderfully rich and whole understanding of the long history of Vietnamese colonization and exploitation as well as how the U.S. violated many treaties/agreements both before over the course of the conflict

>>33121737
"They objectively lost"

Based on what?

Will to continue the fight? No.
And really that's all that matters. If you keep fighting until your opponent gets tired of the never ending conflict you've objectively won

>>33121806
>who ever we show up for wins period and done.

>vietnam

kek

>>33120202
>Utah War- Resolution
>>fucking mormons

Yep. Should've slain them all.

>>33121887
>muh oppressed chinkshits
Go fuck yourself

>>33121914
They lost. They literally never eon a battle. It was only after we signed after peace treaty, left, after they broke the peace treaty did they have any semblance of success.

>>33119565
>What is the Marshall plan?

>>33115784
Because it's a stupid question.

It's like asking "Has America ever won a war without using guns?" or "Has America ever won a war without soldiers drinking water?"

It just shows the solid retardation of the asker.

>>33115867
>states have a right to secede
Hmmm..... alright then, I'll grant this

But then i would argue that governments also have a right to warfare, since they are sovereign states. Therefore the Union had every right to attack the south, thereby protecting its assets and establishing dominance in north America.

>>33122151
Samefag, nations also have to be recognized as nations. Since the south wasn't recognized as independent, the union wasn't fighting against a foreign state. It was culling a revolt.

We spout memes and nervous banter because we know deep down that if our country declared war on the USA, we would be crushed: The Thread

Internet shitposting is all you have world.

>>33115606
Well technically the seceded and became the enemy since they declared themselves sovereign. ...

>>33122234
See >>33122176

>>33121978
Well we did obliterate the shit out of them so no matter what you don't want to be on the receiving end.
>>33121691
>have a 10 to 1 k/d
Anywhere between 15 to to 25 to 1 actually.

>>33115631
The UNION were unAmerican you fucking degenerate yank

>>33116438
The DNC de facto surrendered, and then turned around and all but declared war on the South.

Without Watergate, 1975 is a repeat of 1972.

>>33115418
2nd Barbary War

>>33115934
What about all those times china, and that one time when russia, tried to invade japan and they got buttfucked?

>>33119556
Aye, so if we lose most battles but gain our objects, we either won 1812, or lost 1812 and won Vietnam. Depends on your metric

>>33120202
Half of these, apart from the shit with Indians, were in coalitions and often you had less part in these coalitions.
The only legit one is the US-Mexican war
also you lost in the phillipines

>>33122151
It would have had a right to attack had it been provoked and/or wronged by said state, however the excuse for attacking was the mere existence of said state- which is not justifiable.

>>33115557
>WWI
Fighting under french command, using French weapons, only joined at the last minute, completely ignoring the eastern front and German east Africa.
All the US did in WW1 was profit from everyone involved.

>WW2
British did most of the fucking of the luftwaffe, Soviets did most of the fucking of the German army and the majority of the Japanese army - who were focused in Mainlaind China, and always had been.
All the US did in WW2 was take out some tiny islands and nuke some unimportant cities in Japan. That and wait around while the Soviets took Berlin.

>>33115842

Kill yourself

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>>33121593
Americas is the proper term for the two continents.

>>33124248
Imperialism is an inherent right pf every country. They are all sovereign states and are under no obligations to let other countries keep their shit if they can't defend themselves.

>>33124612
There always needs to be an excuse or justification before an all out total war

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>>33116476
How do you define victory then? North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam and succeeded into unifying Vietnam under communism while America backed their bags and flew back home.. Real world isn't a video game and wars aren't won or lost by kill/death -ratios.

Winning and losing in war is about succeeding to achieve your strategic goals. Goal of the Vietnam war was to fend of the communist advance into Southern Vietnam and to keep the corrupt and hated South Vietnamese Saigon government in power indefinitely and that most definitely wasn't achieved. North Vietnamese strategic goal was to unify Vietnam under socialism and that they did and thus victory over the conflict goes to North Vietnam.

>>33124816
I love when vietnam gets brought up so dummies like this guy can make an asses of themselves..

>>33124317
Correct. It's pluralized. The Americas. Consisting of North and South America. You never refer to any of these continents or the two together as simply America unless you're an ignorant European.

>>33124878
Dummies like you are the reason US has been fucking up wars ever since steam rolling Europe in WW2. Killing your enemy is not enough. If we look at the kill/death -ratios Germany won the second world war but I think most people including military historians would disagree with that assessment.

>>33115418
>implying America is an imperialist country who unilaterally goes on conquest with the stated goal of a country's subjugation.

Fucking eurofags

>>33124878
The only way the USA won the Vietnam war is if they secretly wanted to turn it into a unified Communist state.

The best thing about Vietnam is that 56000 Americans died for nothing.

>>33116415
The US may not have been allied with France during 1812, but they weren't the only one fighting Britain.

>>33124232
We owned the Philippines up until WWII

>>33122544
your objective was to annex canada, which you failed.

>>33115842
You're right, they're not. too bad the Americans lost the civil war.

>>33119082
Technically the Argie weapons were foreign imports, making the origin countries involved, like how the Exocets came from France or the General Belgrano was an old USN ship. I admit that this is a pretty big stretch of logic though.

>>33116759
>Spanish war. Lost that one.
I see you can't read

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>>33115418
Hey mod
If youre going to delete my thread, delete this one too, asshole.

>>33125936
>The best thing about Vietnam is that 56000 Americans died for nothing.
thank you for your service.

>>33125936
>The best thing about Vietnam is that 56000 Americans died for nothing.
gave 500,000 mama san's (one being your mother) jobs servicing american troops needs.

>>33115503
You..don't know much about WW 2, do you? Go read a book.