Magazine design

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>>33109070
Casket magazines are the future. They're lighter and cheaper than two mags taped together, and you don't need to do a reload in between. I could see 30/40 round casket mags in 5.56 or similar becoming the standard because of their shorter length than regular mags.

>>33109155
>30/40
>casket mag

Try 60-100 rounds.

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>>33109070
I could see helical magazine becoming commonplace on some guns, like LMGs or PDWs.

>>33109300
Helical magazines werent popular 30 years ago
I doubt it'll change

>>33109282
Magazines can be any capacity you want dumbass.

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>>33109330
Ya know, you can have car with any fuel capacity too. That doesn't mean I'm gonna have race car with a one gallon tank.

Don't be purposely retarded. Why the fuck would I want a 30/40 round casket mag when a STANAG does the job just as fine without taking up as much space?

>>33109438
It's far shorter and takes up less space overall.

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>>33109070
>What will the next big breakthrough in magazine design be /k/?

Quad stacks that are actually reliable

>>33109300
I really doubt LMGs will ever transition from belts. If they could make helical mags cheaper to produce and less finicky I could see them in PDWs. Wonder how well Nork AK helical mags work.

>>33109687
>Put belt in helical mag
>???
>profit

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>>33109666
>130 bucks a mag
>the future

>>33109571
Did you forget about ammo pouches?

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>>33109938
Are you somehow implying that I think the surefire mag is good product?

>>33109943
No, there's no problem with them.

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>>33109957
I've heard they're the best around.

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>>33109571
>It's far shorter

Yes. Well kind of, like 5/8 the length of a normal magazine.

>takes up less space overall.

No.

Tell me, if I have a chest rig like pic related (not claiming to be a US soldier, I'm far fucking from it), would I want a stubby magazine that takes up two spaces or a lean magazine that only takes up one?

The only foreseeable advantage I can see with this is that you're laying prone on the ground. But most people handle that problem quite fine.

Don't get me wrong, if you want to throw your cash at it to have fun at the range, go for it. But 30 round quad stacks aren't the future.

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>>33110284
Pic meant to be related.

But that chest rig works too. Seriously, we use lean mags for a reason.

>>33109687
On a related note it's more likely segmented belts will replace detachable linked belts. Talking 5-20 rounds per segment. Like the PKM.

>>33110284
You could stack them like bricks. They would take up the same space as two normal mags, but placed one on top of the other.

>>33109985
Of the extended capacity mags, they are.

They're still significantly less reliable than the majority of standard capacity mags.

>>33110381
From my lack of knowledge on segmented machine gun belts and a quick google search those seem like they would be really hard to feed. Someone want to explain more?

>>33110438
But then you couldn't get to the bottom mag.

You do realize you're supposed to retain empty mags, right? And that'll only get more important when the mags are larger, more complicated, and more expensive, right?

>>33110503
>then you couldn't get to the bottom mag
I didn't think that one through. Alright, you win.

>>33109938
the first model T cost the equivalent of $100000

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>>33110438
Yes, then you got a unstable stack. They aren't exactly 1/2 the size of a STANAG nor perfect blocks.

You'd essentially need a bigger pouch just to carry the new mags. The reason I said 60 rounds was because they're designed with STANAG double pouches in mind.

Shit like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y0w3M_F158.

You'd essentially get the disadvantages of your standard magazines combined with the disadvantages of a quadstack/drum mag for little advantage.

Pic semi-related.

>>33110624
Jesus christ what happened to MAC guy

>>33110599
That isn't comparable at all.

>>33110650
>2011 video
>checks his latest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzHZxuX8whc
https://www.youtube.com/user/Sturmgewehre/videos

5 bucks says he plays Rainbow Six Siege.

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>>33110686
Shit, he even has a ballistic shield.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuvXC8L0V68

>>33109070
Some kind of magazine design that is based around hooking itself onto the action of the firearm and thus removing the need for a strong spring that can push the rounds all the way. It might use some sort of mechanical conveyor belt to roll rounds upwards (or sideways) into position.

This might be what drum mags need to become reliable enough for serious use. The only problem is that the gun needs to be designed around the new mag's system.

>>33110767
Lewis pan mags use mechanical actions rather than springs to feed.

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>>33110825
>tfw now wanting upside down pan fed magazines for the AR-15

>>33109666

that would be pretty neat, then the M27's lack of capacity wouldn't be so much of an issue.

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>>33110900
why the fuck isn't that a commercial product yet

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>>33111121
Only in .22LR, still looks like a fun shoot.

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>>33111209
Apparently that strip of metal on the "top" of the magazine is actually just an adapter. Still pretty cool.

But sweet Jesus, imagine rocking a 200 round pan fed mag in 5.56.

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>>33111239
I already have heard a bit about them, how they've got changable feed towers and such.

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>>33111239
If you think of it, you could have a lot of ammo in one magazine reliably relative to drum magazines.

You got to admit, there's something dreamy about the American 180.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rfJy4exPFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQFGmIY0a2o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzl5w1fzZl8

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>>33109666
Firing from prone with a 40cm long magazine is impossible. This matters a lot for gunners. A drum mag is much better for that.

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>>33109666
Maybe one could make it more reliable by designing the gun to take quad stack mags in the first place. If all else fails, you could just stick two regular mags together with a mechanism to feed off them alternately. It'd be a litte thicker than a true quad stack though.

>>33110381
>>33110767
Imagine some kind of staggered belt that would snap in place when joined.
>Reloading means pushing belt segment into the magazine well from below
>Topping off or extending possible at any time
>Want to go LMG, attach a longer belt segment
Variable flexibility would be nice so you can more easily do quick reloads while also allowing to extend the belt sideways while prone.

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>>33109938

>60 round quad stack

Pit in in an FS2000 and we Halo now

>>33113810
The 60 rounder is the sweet spot for casket mag size though, if not a little bit less. Who knows why they thought someone would actually want the 100 round meme, drums work way better for that kind of capacity. Should also be said that the AR platform makes these mags less practical than they could be with that long magwell. Something like the AK with no real magwell is much better for them.

>>33110767
When the AK74 was being developed, there was development of a belt feed adapter that uses the reciprocating charging handle to motivate the belt feed mechanism.
It was developed as a companion/competitor to a belt fed 5.45 SAW, presumably a competing bid to convert the RPK-74 to belt feed and not have to come up with a 5.45 sized PKM. The soviets decided that belt feed was too much of a hassle for 5.45, so both belt fed concepts were dropped.

>>33109985
WAIT, when did Ian do an Indiana Jones episode?

>>33115263
I got it from the rare Ian thread, so I couldn't tell you.

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>>33113810
you couldn't just lay the gun down sideways?

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>>33109070
You can't improve the shape of a magazine really, but a more interesting problem is how it attaches to the gun. Surely there's a better solution than mags going straight in and getting stuck with mud or ice, and rocking in/out and making reloads awkward.

>>33109300
Best Koreans are ahead of the curve on this one.

>>33110298
>>33110284
The worst part about all of this is that I don't think quadstackfag realizes that the only thing you're debating is the capacity, I'd he just said 60+ he'd be golden, but I guess he's autistic and assmad so he thinks people want to load 100rd drums with 30 as well
>inb4 saving springs

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>>33115458
Magsafe magazines.

>>33115501
Kek

>>33115672
Drums are a meme, but that does look cool.

>>33115672
I thought of this picture earlier. Storage/carrying them might be a bitch, but it might be good. Carrying would really, really, truly be a bitch, though. Whether the capacity outweighs that, even just for security or something, would have to be seen.

Also, I immediately thought of this when I saw these pans.

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>>33111239
It seems more obvious to me to kind of turn it back towards the grip and kind of meet it than hang off the front like that.

>>33115458
You could make a gun with extremely loose tolerances that actually splits in half to accept the mag, maybe motorized. Hypothetically it should be less likely to be prevented from fully closing than having to push the mag through a hole of fixed size. Some scoops and contours could help guide any debris out of the way when the weapon is pushed (or pulled) back into the joined position. Who knows what to do with the debris in the upper half that is now inside the action?

>>33116238
>I'm worried about my magazine getting jammed
>let's turn the entire gun into a G11-tier engineering nightmare
You sure COULD do that

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>>33115465

>>33115728
>It seems more obvious to me to kind of turn it back towards the grip and kind of meet it than hang off the front like that.
true but then that changes the way the bullets are oriented in the magazine to feed properly and considering .22LR is wider at the ends than at the tip it'd reduce how much ammo you can fit in the same space...

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p90-style magazines have potential for a certain straight-walled, stubby cartridge program.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuSkNq7JZLo

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>>33116604
More top heavy, slower to reload, and less space efficient than sticking the mag in the grip though.

>>33116604
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe dial back on the intended capacity so the magazines retain a more familiar, less awkward length.

>>33116757
Mag in grip is unaesthetic for carbines and SMGs.

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>>33116848
Not sure that matters as much as performance. Besides, plenty of guns look good with mags in their grips.

>>33114515
What you are saying makes a lot of sense. The problem is that our guns aren't designed with high capacity magazines in mind.

>>33116886
Mags in grips is aesthetic for pistols. But I think it's unaesthetic in carbines and SMGs.

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>>33117022
Your opinion is wrong my friend

>>33116757
That gun is just too weak, though. Nobody dies from a couple shots of 4.7mm.

>>33117022
It's partly a packaging issue. Putting the magazine well in the grip maximizes usable barrel length in a compact platform without having to go to a fully bullpup design. For straddling the line between a machine pistol and an SMG, it's a logical design choice.

>>33117030
Uzis are quite possibly the most unaesthetic firearms ever put into service. The only reason they're popular is because of too many Hollywood action movies featuring them due to tribalism.

>>33116757
What are you even talking about? It's about as space efficient as it gets, since it sits on top, doesn't get in the way of anything and allows for a bullpup design.

>>33109070
>What will the next big breakthrough in magazine design be /k/?
Tandem magazines, folded cartridges, and PCC's
Imagine 90 rounds in a standard ar magazine.


>For something that gives you more ammo in a smaller or more convenient package
Yes. Don't put the propellant behind the bullet.
A magazine that is too long is unwieldy. A magazine that is too long is unwieldy.
A magazine that is twice as thick is still manageable, but offers the possibility for more than twice as much ammo (with the right ammo).

>is it possible to improve on double stack box mags of the types we see today?
Yes.

>Pic is an HK concept for a 30 round drum mag.
If you aren't going to give a fuck about reloading (rifle/magazine), then you might as well go with a normal helical magazine. or just design a helical magazine bullpup.

>>33117290
>repeated long
I meant tall for one of them.

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>>33117064
But this is aesthetic.

>>33117139
Putting the mag in the grip is space efficient because you need a grip there anyways, the P90 magazine makes the reciever taller than necessary.

>>33109070
There's unlikely to be any big changes in magazine design until caseless ammunition has widespread usage.

>>33117668
>Implying it ever will

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>>33117686
Currently, people are looking into telescopic munitions (thin veiled one time use shotgun shells).

>>33117723
You mean LSAT?

>>33117723
The difference being telescopic ammo still captures most of the heat from firing, and even then they're having heat problems. It's also more durable than caseless.

>>33116238
>You could make a gun. . .that actually splits in half to accept the mag
Check out California's "bullet button reloaded".

>>33117022
I quite like the mag grip aesthetic in pistol caliber carbines. It's got a little bullpup aesthetic without the extra protrusion.

Cx4 is one of the better spaceguns in my opinion, aesthetically speaking

>>33117723
Can someone explain caseless to me? Sorry for being throughly ignorant, but what are the proported benefits?

>What is the Future of magazines
>"Make them bigger and fatter"
>The future

>>33118724
Propellant is a solid chunk with the bullet glued on the front instead of loose powder in a metal case. Less weight per round, don't need to eject anything.
Basically a meme.

>>33109070
You can design a mag to be compact and have increased capacity, the problem is the weapon will be more unwieldy with a 60 round mag than a 30 rounder. Until rounds get lighter, high capacity mags are silly after a certain point, unless used in a specific role.

>>33117871
This thing? Yeah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK7LRuvEnHQ

Telescopic might actually have a future.

>>33109300
>rifle rounds poking into primers
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG???

>>33119172
>he doesn't know that the main function is to rack it backwards and fire off 100 rounds at once

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>>33119172
It's not a finished model.

>>33119025
Alloy cases are already here my friend. Half the weight of brass, stronger, and cheaper.

>>33115263
I think that was on Gunlab but I'm not sure.

>>33119228
>ejects cool to the touch

MELTING GUNS

>>33109300
senpai n-no d-dont touch me there i-i'm c-cumming!

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>>33119172
>poor image quality

>>33119228

>cheaper than brass
>aluminium alloy

I call bull and shit.

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>>33113810
would that foregrip legally fit on a pistol ar

>>33119420
Aluminum is plentiful and cheaper by far than copper.

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>>33118802
>bottom right

>>33111239
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

>>33119479
>ignoring the one that is literally a blob shape filled with bullets with an opening at the top
no follower or anything either, it looks ridiculous

>>33119752
It's a bunch of rounds surrounded by a spring or an elastic that pushes them up.

>>33116257
I just looked up the G11. What the fuck were they thinking? It's the most retarded thing I've ever seen.

>>33119228
Except the actual bullet and powder make up the majority of the weight for the round

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>>33120159
Apparently 9mm gets a 30% weight reduction using them, 556 probably gets more with lighter bullets and a longer case. A massive improvement.

>>33119420
You can buy the cases right now, go see for yourself autist

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>ywn have a beltfed AK

>>33120496
>belt feed mechanism attaches to the reciprocating bolt handle

That's god damned genius.

>>33118724
>>33118780
He's spot on with his description though usually the powder is molded around the bullet and not simply "glued".

Technically speaking with caseless ammunition you could hypothetically simplify the gun by removing ejection mechanisms as there's nothing to eject like on the HKG11. It also would be Lefty friendly as you're not being pelted in the face with hot brass...

The cons are the guns(HK G11) suffered from heat issues causing "cook off" of the rounds because there's nothing to stop the hot chamber from touching the formed propellant. Other issues such as moisture also become a major factor because there's nothing to stop it from getting into the propellant.

>>33119172
They don't touch each other in reality. That said, helical mags are dumb

>>33119453
I'm sure the answer is no. Because that would be fun

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>>33119849
>What were they thinking
>Germans

>>33119849
It has a ludicrously fast burst mode
So there's that

>>33109323
Regardless of context, that is the dumbest logic I have ever heard

>>33121048
But it seems like they said "let's take everything that makes a gun reliable and just fucking flush it down the toilet."
And it seems like some people actually took them seriously. I just don't understand.

>>33109300
Powered magazines could be helical, sure, but I doubt that'll be common.

>>33120697
>The cons are the guns(HK G11) suffered from heat issues causing "cook off" of the rounds because there's nothing to stop the hot chamber from touching the formed propellant. Other issues such as moisture also become a major factor because there's nothing to stop it from getting into the propellant.
good thing both of those were solved in the 70's when dynamite nobel started using a wax composite which stopped moisture damage and lengthened premature cook off times into hours. H&K made an open bolt variation and burst fire variations to help with cooling and controllability since the optional ejection step would lead to incredibly high fire rates.

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>>33121162
Powered? What're you on about? There are spring loaded helical mags.

>>33121135
Entire squads with hundreds of rounds firing stupidly fast offers an incredibly enticing amount of firepower, so much so that governments threw money at these projects with hopes that the massive and obvious problems they were plagued with could be overcome. Perhaps with a few billion dollars more they could've been, but that's an experiment I'd rather not see attempted.

>>33119172
There's a video showing that tubular magazines with spitzer bullets don't fire with impacts

>>33121571
Oh, I know. Spring helical magazines fucking suck. Loading them is a pain in the ass, they have a poor shelf life compared to conventional mags, they don't feed fast enough, they're heavy, you can't fix them in the field, they rattle, they don't fit in any mag pouches, they can jam, the springs wear out, and they change the weight distribution of your rifle as the ammo depletes.

If you're going to force a helical magazine, replace the spring with a linear accelerator or a solenoid or something. You can get rid of more problems than you introduce.

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>>33121166

Too bad those modifications caused caseless ammo to not ignite properly.

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>>33121662
They're only viable for PDWs IMO, and with that platform some of the things you mention don't matter. Loading difficulty doesn't matter, and can be fixed, balance wouldn't matter if it was a bullpup, mag pouches aren't needed, reliability is a design issue, and I don't believe that they wear out faster. Do you have a source for that?

>>33119172
It takes upwards of 40 pounds of pressure to set off a primer. The fear of setting of primers with spritzer bullets in tubular magazines was fucking unfounded and stupid.

>>33121650
>>33121994
>Round by chance has shitty weak primer
Oh well guess I'm dead.
>Inb4 wah wah all ammunition is manufactured perfectly

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bruh

>>33115445
> Aiming is for pussies, Allah will guide my bullets

>>33121723
in limited circumstances since it was still experimental at the beginning of the 4.7mm's development cycle. Jim (G3Kurz on hkpro, i've spoken and worked with him before)'s DTIC presentation laid out that the wax/fiber blend lead to difficulty and incomplete burns and would need refining... which happened in 87 which let H&K ship out some G11 K1 prototypes out to the BW and later in 1990 to the ACR-RP.

>>33110599
>the first model T cost the equivalent of $100000
No they didn't, you're wrong. Nearly five times wrong too, that's pretty damn wrong.

>>33121994
40 pounds you say? I've stepped on many primers and never set one off.
The old chlorate milspec primers only take about 100 in·lbs to set off and they are stiffer than most commercial offerings.

>>33117064
>re quite possibly the most unaesthetic firearms ever put into service.

>Implying that a personal, subjective, emotional opinion about visual aspect of an industrial product, is a an objective, solid fact.

Hang yourself please.

>>33121909
Look at Calico's official forums. Plenty of feed issues. Most common advice involves lubing the magazine. Makes sense, but the requirement of lube is yet another thing for a soldier to forget, for grit to get in, for the lube to be inappropriate to current climate. Helical mags are cool, but cool isn't always effective.

>>33119420
>I call bull and shit.
Don't forget that nickel alloy.

>>33122243
To be fair, Calico's mag design is pretty old and hasn't been updated. I wonder how the russians and norks get their helical mags to work, if at all.

>>33122243
That's not an insurmountable problem. If there isn't an inherent reason they wear out faster then it's just bad design.

>>33122412
>>33122407
Regardless of why, I've held up my end and now it's your turn: gimmie proof that helical magazines are either as reliable as conventional mags OR that they're worth the trouble in the eyes of experts.

>>33119172

See: Savage 300

>>33122458
You didn't hold up your end, I asked you for proof that helical mags by their very nature wear faster and are less reliable, and you've given me only anecdotal evidence. The necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges, so prove it fagit.

>>33122560
http://www.gutenberg.us/articles/helical_magazine#Helical

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/06/09/odd-guns-calico-m-900-9mm/

https://www.gunandgame.com/threads/my-love-hate-relationship-with-a-calico-liberty-1.81125/

>>33122838
Helical mags are as complex as box mags, the follower, spring, and body are just a different shape. Your first link is just a few unsourced sentences, and the other two are again discussing one specific design. It's impossible to prove that helical magazines can't be made as reliable as other types of mags.

>>33123037
Also impossible to prove that they can.

>>33123106
Good thing the burden of proof isn't on me.

>>33122458
I was just saying Calico's mag is an old design. You can't really make a generalization of helical mags with a sample size of one.

>>33122005
Don't buy shit ammo. Simple as that. https://youtu.be/NeJmOxIklDc

>>33122005
Just buy 7.5 Swiss.

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I want double dual stack 9x19mm mags to return as they were in the V-42. They'd be about the size of a 30 round 223 AR15 mag, but hold ~60 rounds.

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>>33123513

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>>33123519

>>33109155
Aren't multiple stack magazines very unreliable?

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>>33123806
>Aren't multiple stack magazines very unreliable?

Dunno about the AK quad stacks, but the SITES Spectre coffin mags I've seen work flawlessly.

>>33123820
God damn but that gun gets my dick hard.

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>>33123940
>God damn but that gun gets my dick hard.

How about this?

The main issue I've got with it, is the top folding stock & charging handle which makes it harder to mount optics.
A second issue is the rather heavy double action pull. It's intended for multiple strikes on hard primers, but frankly, I'd prefer a single action pull & having to eject stubborn shit ammo.

>>33123954
Just remove the front sight and put on an RMR or something. It'll be cool as fuck.

>>33123954
The double actions one of its best features tho

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>>33117723
>telescopic munitions
Stay with me here.

- telescopic meme, but not shit
- not a darpa graft project
- actually viable end product
- reduced cartridge length
- still has chamber support
- potentially better ejection


>tl;dr / my picture is shit
Put the neck inside the cartridge.

>>33123546
Anybody have more details on that? Looks cool as hell, and about as German as it gets.

>>33123519
>>33123527


What gun??

>>33127813
He said the name you mong.

>>33126916
Any opinions?

>>33130393
I hope you have a cleaning rod to get that stuck case out.

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>>33126916
>>33130393
At that point, don't you just have a pistol round with the bullet pushed in slightly?

>>33130393
You can't just use the same case except with the bullet inside. Telescoping cartridges are wider than conventional brass so the same amount of powder can fit in it.

>>33109155
something about it being called a Casket magazine makes me hard

like it puts people in caskets

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>>33109282
>>33109330
>>33109666
says satan
The surefire one is a pile of junk.
>surefire? shuuuuure ill bet it fires
>proven to have a failure rate between every 15-70 rounds fired
>you probably wont finish off more than 2 magazines before it clunks on you

Magpul had a 60 rounder they were working on and abruptly stopped.

Meanwhile russia has 50 rounder 5.45s.

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y not 7 stack magazine

>>33130756
They're a retarded idea no matter how reliable they are.
>Designer of AR
>Knows all too well that the massive magwell makes it terrible for casket mags
>Fuck it I'll make one anyways

>>33120617
Also seems like a quick and easy way to lose a finger

>>33118802
Wasn't no.12 in the original Matrix movie?

>>33133150
You're thinking of #6 I believe

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>>33133150
Or something like it

>>33130756
>proven to have a failure rate between every 15-70 rounds fired
You got a sauce on those stats?

>>33118802
Number 7 is just a box of loose ammo how the fuck would it work? Tilt the gun and shake a round in the chamber?

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>>33134229
Just a box of loose ammo.

>>33134282
That's a box of linked ammo my man

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>>33109666
>100 round assault clips are real
>they're not just lib memes
>mfw

>>33109438
Are you fucking retarded?

>>33121111
quads confirm dumb logic

>mfw I prefer 20 rd mags in my AR for compact size and aesthetics

>>33134229
it looks like there is a spring surrounding all the rounds

>>33134229
I think the mag might be a rubber bladder of some sort putting constant pressure on all sides.
I really want to know if this even remotely works.
For science.

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3D printer magazines

>>33110599

First model T's would be bit over 22k today and once production really kicked in price dropped first to around 12k and then gradually to around $3500 in 2017 prices.

>>33109070
>magazine design

More like cartridge design.

The current standard issue cartridges (5.56x45/5.45x39/7.62x51/7.62x39) are fairly old cartridges, with the rifle bullet barely achieving pistol bullet diameter.

This means there are two main possibilities (among many others) and these are that catridges will get smaller, but maintain or increase current bullet dimensions and power due to more advanced materials science, to increase maximum capacity and reduce weight and maintain and potentially improve effectiveness in all ways.

The alternative, and technically a variation of the above when applied to larger bullet diameters, is that we maintain current cartridge dimensions, but improve power and bullet size, and example being if a 7.62 bullet was fired from a 5.56 style cartridge, but the cartridge was design to be as small or smaller and lighter, but more powerful, than current 5.56x45mm cartridges.

There are already cartridges like the latter being created, such as .300blk and 6.8mm SPC, 6.5 Grendel.

TL:DR: Same Mags. more and bigger bullets.

>>33115501
You joke, but think about it. Four neodymium magnets in the magwell (one on each side), and a ploy mag with four corresponding steel plates at the top. Change magnet sizes to tune for tighter hold or easier mag removal.

>>33118802
>#12
>Cuff Mag
That is incredibly stupid and I want one.

10 round mags are the way of the future. You don't NEED more than 10 rounds and if you can't do the job with that many you shouldn't have a gun in the first place.

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>>33135385
>respond to "magazines can be any capacity you want dumbass."
>points how that is pointless
>continues to point out how a quad stack magazine at a cap of 30/40 is pretty much ineffective in terms of space
>pros of normal magazines out weigh that of quad

And somehow, according to you, I'm a retard.

>>33110298
I hate OCP but this pic is a e s t h e t i c

>>33109070
LSAT uses a "weapon powered magazine", which probably means some sort of ratchet elevator.

That will be the future. Scalable and adaptable.

>>33136228
Colorado pls go

>>33136808
Also room for a few extra rounds and could potentially be more reliable than current systems if they can integrate it into the automatic firing system. Maybe something like as the striker is fired the mag pushes another bullet to the top but it's pushed down by the chamber and as the gun cycles back the new round is scooped in. Basically like a spring mag but the striker and loading mechanism are sympathetic.

>>33136808
I thought it was a conventional belt fed MG.

>>33137178
That sounds overly complicated? For a bottom mounted magazine, just have the gas system or bolt be linked to a simple gear ratchet that gets turned one notch every time the piston or bolt passes rearwards over the mag, which pushes the mag follower up by one round. If such a system could be standardized there would be no need for springs in magazines any longer. In theory it should be possible to make them backwards compatible with spring mags. A button on the mag somewhere to release the ratchet should suffice when trying to readjust for a smaller load.

No idea why they never went with this method in the first place. Trying to make it simpler to fix if something goes wrong? I'd say a well made ratchet system would probably have an easier time getting closer to 100% reliability than springs. Plus it would require minimal effort to load.

>>33137397
Addendum: Thinking about it, it may not be possible to eliminate springs entirely. A small spring as part of the follower would be needed so that the ratchet can push up the next round while it is still underneath the moving bolt. Only needs to be a very short and soft spring about the same height as a single round.

rail gun type weapons are probably the next step. but they would have to emp proof.

although nothing is better than the sweet smell of gunpowder and having your ears ring with satisfaction.

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>>33118802

>>33116270
>10 man commie squad fires their bizons
>1 redneck takes them out with one shot each

>>33135712
This, 6-7mm bullets are superior to 7.62 and 5.56.
>That ballistic coefficient
I'm partial to 6mm myself.

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>>33122126
>your face when 90% of combatants right now subscribe to this method

>>33135261
not a clip you gigantic faggot and 100 round mags have been a thing for a while. Too bad pussy libs cant hold that much weight

>>33137572
>emp proof
Pretty sure we'll have practical rail guns long before anyone has practical EMPs so I wouldn't worry about that too much

>>33113768
That gun was in fucking New Vegas.

On a heavily modded game I ran it with +P AP rounds.

Had realistic damage along with realistic armor values, shit was so cash.

>pumping like 15 rounds into the head of a power armored enemy, because I'm sure a couple will get through
>they never did though

>>33139571
>Didn't bounce around in its his skull
>Realistic damage

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Best solution for higher capacity in pic related.
Paper on testing, they got over 3,000 fps average with a 62 grain projectile:
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA433982&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf
If you could fit these into a quad stack magazine with a standard mag well then you wouldn't have to deal with shitty complicated feeding systems like you have with the drums and pans seen in this thread.

You could have normal sized AR15 mags with 60 rounds.

>>33139862
I think it bounced around inside the power armor helmet but failed to penetrate the skull. I probably scratched their eyes though.

>>33139968

THANK YOU SO MUCH

I used to shill that idea.

Imagine applying it to M2s, miniguns, etc.

>YFW A-10 carries twice as much ammo for less weight

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>>33119420
>copper is cheaper than aluminium

>>33139968
>>33140718
>muh golf pencil

>>33122126
Allah advocates for high velocity sodomy?

>>33137397
The LMG is, but there is also the LSAT Rifle project which has 2 different magazine variants.

First is a traditional spring mag - mature reliable technology, the second is a weapon powered one they claim is lighter, smaller and scales to high capacity easier but is untested.

No details are out as to how the second actually works, but the assumption in the community is that its a ratchet elevator attached to the BCG.

>>33111239
Custom upper, matched top magazine well and drop through ejection, its basically a lewis gun and 1914 again. And if you could get the upper to selectively eject either up or down could use normal mags with a top eject. Have to also flip the bolt 180 degrees and a special carrier for that

BTW this idea having been archived by the internet is now unpatentable niggers

>>33146708
The desire for more ammo has always been held back by "scalability of reliability" at high round counts more than the added weight of a big mag. A ratchet / conveyor belt mag would be nice to see.

Make a 10mm version and we have a pulse rifle!

>>33147825
>The desire for more ammo has always been held back by "scalability of reliability" at high round counts more than the added weight of a big mag

Absolutely, but the central premise of the program is to reduce the weight of the gun and ammo. They need to keep the focus there if its going to be deemed successful.

I'd love to see how it works though - there was a conveyor mag built for the HK23. Wasn't weapon powered but still interesting. Can't find any info on how it worked for the life of me though.

>>33111209
Put it on top, boom zaku machine gun

>>33117064
Unaesthetic as you may deem it is unquestionably reliable which in and of itself is worthy of admiration.

>>33139968
Look at the date of the study. Look at the current date. If there weren't insurmountable problems in initial testing, it would have at least become more than a single report.

>>33148441
It is possible to develop something further and find that it is really feasible, after studies say otherwise.

>>33135910
>Lay down to take cover
>Change the magazine
>Can't because as soon as you open it some metalic dust enters the chamber and crowds around the magnets

Is there a way around this? Yes, but I ignore it

>>33109070
Hard to say. The standard sickle mags have stuck around for about a hundred years without major change and they're still the most popular magazine.

If we're going to see a major change in magazine design it will begin with a change in bullet design. Something that doesn't fit a sickle or box mag very well.

Smart bullets, maybe? Perhaps Metal Storm finally gets somewhere and we get an electric PDW.

>>33148814
Get back to us when you've done that then. They clearly haven't.

Once they get around to fully integrating power systems into rifles, I imagine that an electrically powered magazine would be the next step.

>>33146708
Anywhere I can read more about the LSAT assault rifle?

>>33116604
10mm???

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>>33109300
>>33119172
Got some news

>>33109898
ever heard of belt drums?