$30 Homemade body armor

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>>33107756
Other guys do it better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeijtySCVnU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub0tZyLxHPg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsycTtzWw2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb5_V1C0aoA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsupcuy6FLU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dr_VCy1PiM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H6mOlHVUmM

I think one of these was just a metal plate that I accidentally included.

>>33107756
impressive for thirty bucks. Yet it's kind of too heavy being that it was only capable up to pistol and shotgun rounds.

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>>33107856
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnwJRF-uSpo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxoYwUPOmBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S91KMAGTlXI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjC-u8xv0FM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bha2kNvbg1E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v52LIgsY8oA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNUi2uHj2Y4

>>33107856
Haha rat looks like benis :DD

>>33107856
is rat benis cheap groin armor?

>>33107856
>>33108036
give me the rundown, which one can stop 5.56 for cheap? without having to cut ar500 steel.

>>33108237
Even ar500 cant stop all 5.56. If i recall, green tip from a 20in bbl penetrates it.

>>33108773
No, it's M193 from a 20".
Because velocity.

>>33107756
https://www.ceramtec.com/ceramic-materials/aluminum-oxide/

Aluminum oxide would likely be the easier to use, it used to be what the military used in the 90's. But modern ceramics have already become more lighter than it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work.

The idea was rather than being impossible to penetrate, it would be brittle and instead deflect the bullet which would be further stopped by Kevlar.

I've been thinking about messing around with the idea for shits and giggles, but I have better things to do with my life right now.

>>33107756
what is in that picture

>>33109559
Well I know the why doofus. But thanks for clarifying. For some reason I thought it was m855. While 855 does have a steel tip for penetration, doesnt mean its AP. Although I wouldnt be surprised if it could penetrate ar500 from within a "magic window" type of range.

Me and a bud would wear the cod piece like a diaper and act like a bunch of retards. War is hell.

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>>33107756
I skipped around on the video.

So he ended up making a modern gambeson? Neat

I'll tell you my thoughts. I just had a /k/ as fuck idea

>Get shitty used jeep or SUV
>Put like 50 layers of this shit on the outside of the entire body
>Make some kind of removable piece to lay over the windshield and other glass parts with small cutouts to see/shoot through
>Weld something to the frame to go out around wheels, and use it to hang pieces of this shit to shield the tires from being shot out
>Impress all your prepper friends with your DIY SHTF tank

...well? Would it work?

>>33110236
I considered something similar when i lived in IA when I was a storm chaser. But layering inside the body panels, opposed to external armor. Obviously youd want to use steel around the engine. But no reason it cant be implemented inside the doors of the passenger compartment. Unless in an actual warzone with high powered assault rifles/50bmg/12.7mm...or god forbid larger.

>>33110317
True, it would just be a little more annoying to do that way. My way you still get your upholstery and everything. I'm not trying to make it not fuck ugly, and I can't think of any other drawback to doing it on the outside

>>33110236
You're going to add 50 lays of this, and it's going to be 100+ inches wider on both sides, which is 8.3 ft wider, which is taller than some people.

>>33111770
sorry mean't 100 inches on both sides combined, that's assuming the plates are an inch.

>>33110484
>and I can't think of any other drawback to doing it on the outside

Here's the thing. Wrapping the entire outside of a vehicle is going to weigh a fuckton. A full-size truck might be able to carry that weight, but your average jeep/suv is going to be incredibly bogged down. Better off just doing door panels and smaller, vital areas

>>33107756

Aramid would perform better.
Im assiming this kid used E-Glass and what looks like Vinyl Ester resin.
S-Glass or High Modulous Carbon and an Epoxy+carbon nanotubes plus a proper post cure for impact resistance and kevlar/aramids for penetration resistance.

ultra high modulus polyethylene is where its at these days though.

>>33107756
Its just "what-if monkey" paranoia fuel.

I would never go into combat wearing that much, if it bypasses a certain threshold of limiting mobility vs protection its more detrimental than not posessing body armor.

The idea behind gunfighting is to be mobile enough and use effective suppressing fire so as not to get hit.

Armor should be insurance, not the solution.

And it aint just about the fight, you need to be able to get to the fight, as well as be capable of leaving if things become untenable.

More gear eats into the speed of mobility as well as how long you can maintain it. If you are gunfighting properly you shpuldnt need more than a basic plate carrier because your plan from the get-go should not be getting shot. People who pile on silly amounts of armor misunderstand the basic concept and think they can compensate for lack of skill with extra kevlar.

The shit they issue the military currently is even too heavy and thats after billion dollar projects to develop lighter systems.

>>33112033
This so much. The uparmor kits on the humvees added literal tons of weight and the suspension, drive train and engine wasnt upgraded with it. As soon as they added the uparmor kits to humvees they began detieriorating incredibly rapidly.

Uparmored humvees are almost totally fucked at only 15,000-20,000 miles. And thats stateside usage.

for less than twice the price ($56 ea), you could get IIIA soft panels from Ebay that weigh far less and are flexible.


That's like $130 for IIIA protection with front, back, and two side panels, all you need is a palte carrier to stuff them in.

>>33112831
>Buying safety gear from a website riddle with scams for a situation that you'll never actually be in and even if you are, which you won't be, it will just hinder your movement, so it's just a waste of fucking money.

The mentality of /k/ in a nutshell. Bitches likely use gp-5 gas masks too.

>>33109848
Palestinians don't give a fuck about life

>>33109792
Verseidag tacticum series. Small Finnish company that makes stuff for the Finns and Estonians. It's good stuff, I have their plate carrier and blast belt.

>>33112855

As opposed to cobbling together an inferior version yourself from hardware store goods?

If you really doubt it'll stop bullets, you could buy an extra and shoot that until your curiousity is satisfied one way or another.

>>33109743
>Aluminum oxide would likely be the easier to use than painting glue on fabric
Juggler what?

>>33112977
It's made in China, you might as well just go to the hardware store and save a few bucks for a piece of shit.

>>33113104
It's less heavy.

>>33113367
>keyword: easier

>>33113372
Oh...

>The easier option to use

fixed typo.

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>>33111770
>>33111780
I didn't mean 50 times what that guy did moron. I meant 50 layers of welding blanket and bondo, as opposed to the 10 or 20 he used.

>>33112033
>>33112826
Ok, scratch the jeep. What about like a 1-ton pickup with a truck cap on the back? Get like a F350 with a diesel engine, I'm sure that would hold up just fine.

>>33112787
I was thinking that way, but what about putting bulletproof protection on things besides your person? Use that shit to lightly shield sheds or fences or other cover, trucks, boats, that kind of thing.

Another idea--what about making a sort of tower shield out of this shit? Portable cover basically, like SWAT teams use, pic related but bigger and with a prop to stand on its own

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>>33108237
Generally speaking, the steel-ceramic combo will most reliably stop 5.56 cheaply. Of course it'll also be the heaviest given how you're practically strapping Home Depot quality tile and steel to yourself.

Fiberglass panel armor look fairly light but also fairly weak, but given enough layers and a proper metal backing, should work quite fine.

The fabric/resin combo acts like a pseudo Kevlar spall armor. It was rapped around some ceramic tile, so give or take it won't be light.

The rock in a bag combo, while hilariously bad looking, reliably stops .223, 7.62x39, and .308. It also stopped green tips. Essentially you strapped a sandbag (or a really tiny Hesco bastion given it has rocks in it) to yourself. The previously mentioned resin/cloth combo would help handle all the rock splatter coming out.

For the full coverage of normal body armor, rock pouch would be extremely heavy but in a pinch it'll save you ass.

As for the "liquid armor", treating Kevlar, fiber, or cloth you expect to get shot up might help a tiny bit with spalling and penetration.

I think that's all you really need to know. Well, good hunting stal/k/er.

>>33107756
Old poster from >>33107856 and >>33108036 .

If he actually put something hard in the plate, like a plate of steel, it might have the chance of stopping a .223.

That's cool. But if there's one piece of equipment I wouldn't cheap out, it's body armor.

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>>33113908

body army is the thing you cheap out on the most dude, since theres a 99% chance you will never need it.

>>33113920
That's like cheaping out on fire extinguishers, fire alarms, and medicine.

Yeah, you ain't going to use it often, but does it make sense to cheap out on something that more likely than not save you life if you're shot in the chest.

>>33113925

but fire alarms and fire extinguishers don't cost 500 dollars a piece and im pretty sure health insurance doesn't cover armor plating. my setup was only like 90 bucks total and is able to stop most/all commonly used rounds.

you're using shaky what-if scenarios to justify your irresponsible spending.

>>33113941
>500 dollars a piece

Except most body armor doesn't cost that much. AR500 level 3 costs $75, level 4 only cost $155. Even the most high end armor doesn't cost no more than $400.

Stop using stupid comparisons to justify your irresponsible risk taking.

>>33108237
Why not just buy some real ar500 plates that are already cut and have a shrapnel absorbing coating on them for like $70 a piece?

>>33114001

ok but what i posted IS an ar500 plate, its just duct taped to a german flak vest kevlar panel.

>>33109794
>steel tip for penetration
It's just a mild steel core, my dude. M855A1, which is rather new and almost impossible to find, is the one with the steel tip.

>>33114012
>shrapnel absorbing coating
The one that keeps getting recalled for being shit constantly?
AR500 is not worth the risk. It's not a good product.

>>33114108
I've seen lots of tests of AR500 using a PAXCON coating, I'd trust it to do its job.

>>33107756
What is that set up called and where do find?

>>33114089
Dont the m855A1's chew up barrels like a motherfucker? I remember reading somewhere with reports of it wearing out barrels 10x faster?

>>33114251
they're barrel burners but 10x faster is an exaggeration

>>33112884
They sure do love crying about lives

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this

>>33113647
Lets be honest anon, thats paranoid and set up for ludicrously specific scenarios. The best plan isnt one that covers every single scenario, its one thats flexible and can ADAPT to every scenario.

Ive been in a few dozen gunfights in afghan and iraq. Gun fighting is about being quick on your feet and capable of ADAPTING to anything, not preparing for everything.

If you try to be prepared for everything you will be busy weighing yourself down with useless gear in the off chance of a freak scenario and while you are busy painting yourself into a corner you will get hit with something you didnt prepare for and have no idea what to do.

Flexibility and adaptability is key.

>>33107856
Jesus H. Christ dude, cut your nails.

>>33113920
There's 99% chance you'll never need to use your CC either, so what's your point?

You don't NEED an $2000 dollar rifle. You can just spend less than 200 for a decent plinker.

You don't need a 1k pistol, you can always rely on your trusty Hi-point pistol.

>>33114251
They're 10% higher pressure, not ten times more wear silly

>>33114012
i have esapi plates, i was thinking about making plates for my french heavy assault vest that's all non-standard pockets.

I wonder how strong it would have been without the resin.

>>33115181
>that's paranoid and set up for ludicrously specific scenarios
Yeah, like 99% of the prepping related stuff we do on this board

What about the philosophy of bugging in rather than bugging out, when possible? You can't really get "weighed down" with useless gear in your own home. You just keep it all in a shed and pull out whatever's needed at the time.

Besides, the scenarios aren't too ludicrously specific. In the event of a grid down, no government services available kind of SHTF scenario, it's reasonable that there will be many armed looters. Given that, it's reasonable that many of said looters will be armed with handguns, shotguns, and pistol-caliber carbines. Defending your home against looters armed that way is exactly the scenario where it's nice to have a lot of cover, and your property shielded, from handgun and shotgun fire.

And fuck you, I think the tower shield's a useful idea. When's it not useful to have portable cover?

>>33112920
>tacticum
nigga what

>>33117790
>Cum is a Latin word meaning "with" and is often used in academic Latin honors, such a cum laude meaning "with distinction". The modern Spanish con is a corruption of the Latin original.
It's not grammatically entirely correct, and the English usage of cum (garage-cum-armoury) is also different, but they were probably going with something like 'with tactics'. In other words, tactical.

You were all 'lol semen X-DDDD' weren't you?

>>33117835
kys

>>33117867
Let me try to make a post you'd understand, then:

DUDE LMAO HE SAID CUM :DDDDD

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>>33109848
Aren't all Kevlar vests forms of gambesons ? And plate carriers are brigandines.

>>33107756
>Hard plates for pistol threats
>Saapi cut

Lmao...

One great thing about handgun resistant armor is its ability to be concealed. The enemy doesn't know you're wearing it and shoots for center mass. There's also the ability to wrap around your body and provide side coverage. There's also also the issue of comfort. None of these are provided with hard universal size plates. You simply aren't going to conceal it well, it's going to be uncomfortable as hell, and worst of all it doesn't provide good coverage.

Get a vest from safeguard armor. Mines comfy to the point I'm more comfortable wearing it (if it's not hot out) and it takes shit tons of abuse compared to other vests in its threat range.

Also don't fall for the IIIa meme. II protects up to .44 mag. IIIa only gives you additional protection against a hot handloaded .44 mag, but for higher cost and twice the weight...

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>>33118038
More or less, yes. However, Kevlar tends to be treated more like a highly resilient cloth layer intended to prevent penetration and spalling rather than a quilted fabric intended to act as padding for mail n' plate.

Also I'd think more cuirass for modern day plate armor, with the exception of Dragon Skin (which turned out to be heavy and unreliable) being closer to scale armor.

Brigandines and gambesons would be more akin to modern day riot gear.

>>33113647
>what about making a sort of tower shield out of this shit?
mount a portaloo on wheels: lose the bottom bit and the loo. armour it, manportable bunker?!

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>>33113920
That german flak shit is actually pretty solid

>>33114527
>100 ways to shove things up your ass

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>>33112920
How much does it cost?

pls respond
pls

>>33122627
I bought my pc and belt from varusteleka. It was expensive, but I wanted to support finnish industry.

https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/verseidag-tacticum-plate-carrier/27766

https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/verseidag-tacticum-battle-belt-nij-iiia/29579

>>33122690
How about the gorget, spaulders, cuisses, and groin flap?

>>33122743
Addons. I don't know if there are retailers that sell them.

>>33122793
Is it possible to order directly from Verseidag?

>>33122804
I have no idea, I haven't tried.

>>33122840
I heard you can order from manufacturers directly. Just takes some paperwork.

But I don't know if the redtape from ordering military stuff is worth it.

>>33122899
Can't help you there because I sincerely have no clue.

>>33113920
i am using medicine from the 50s am i cheeping out if it still works fine?