What is the operational advantage of the FAMAS over other NATO rifles?

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>>33090736
I believe that's an AK-47, friendo. This is a FAMAS.

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>>33090762
Or this. Honestly, I can never keep them straight.

>>33090736
No gas system, sealed system and ambidextrous.
>inb4 can only shoot Steel Case and 55gr M193
Good thing steel case is no longer issued (Brits provide SS109 brass ammunition) and they've been upgraded with a 1:9" twist rate barrel. Shame they couldn't do modification to the magazines during their small modernization since the French Army couldn't afford the replacement of the F1 with the G2.

>>33090736
better than an L85.

>Ambidextrous controls
>Ambidextrous ejection port

Nothing. That's why the French are getting rid of them.

>>33090791
>>33090846
Free floated barrel too, iirc

>>33091295
The French are getting rid of the FAMAS for the same reason the US DOD is getting rid of the M9 and the earlier 1911; its an older design and instead of buying new ones (which isn't even possible in the case of the FAMAS since the tooling no longer exists) buy something with features that have been made since the weapons introduction.

Otherwise I don't know what advantages it has over conventional rifles, but over other bullpups it is 100% ambidextrous without any special tools or replacement parts.

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>>33090736
none, that's why they're phasing it out for the H&K® HK416™

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>>33090736
Low round counts in the surplus market

>>33090846

It's really not. Ambidextrous is one benefit yes, but the 'left hand only' thing is a massively overexaggerated "problem" compared to the Famas that doesn't have an underslung launcher, wasn't designed with sights in mind, is restricted to 25 round mags on the majority variant, can't use some rounds and is STANAG incompatible. Not to mention much less rail coverage for modular components.

Not to mention it's not had proper rebuilds, the F1s are beat to fucking shit at this point. Reliability remains an issue. Like I've said in numerous other threads, the French Army and French Navy got completely fucked by the French Air Force taking all the money we should have gotten. I might be Navy, but I look at the army and shake my head at the things they should have gotten compared to the needs of the men in the sky who get everything they ask for.

>>33091295
The French are ditching the FAMAS because it's not produced anymore, and when it was produced, it was expensive as hell (don't ask me why though).

>>33090736
>>33090762
>tfw no parts kits

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>>33090736
the big, solid rail makes it more easy to hand over.

>>33091776
>The French are ditching the FAMAS because it's not produced anymore, and when it was produced, it was expensive as hell (don't ask me why though).
In other words, it offered no advantage compared to existing NATO rifles to justify restarting its production.

>>33090846
That's like being smarter than the kid with dawn's though

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>>33091549
>doesn't have an underslung launcher
Gimmick, rifle grenades does the job.
>wasn't designed with sights in mind
Already fixed.
>is restricted to 25 round mags
Git gud.
>can't use some rounds and is STANAG incompatible
Fuck your lobbying
>Not to mention much less rail coverage for modular components.
Remove the felin gimmick and it would be fixed.

>>33090736
You have a place to hang wet towels.

>>33093044

>Gimmick, rifle grenades does the job.

So you think that the recognised standard to replace rifle grenades amongst almost all militaries is a gimmick now because it doesn't match your precious froggun.

>Git gud.
>Fuck your lobbying

Nice non-arguement.

>>33090736
Lever delayed blowback is the best automatic rifle mechanism ever designed.
>Cheaper than gas operated
>More durable
>More resistant to dirt/fouling
>lighter recoiling
>Lasts longer than roller delayed without replacing parts
It's a bullpup so it's shit, but the concept is great.

>>33091776

It was expensive because it was produced in France by French workers solely for the French military.

>>33092811

All the production capabilities are gone, they'ld have to reinvest in R&D to adapt the Famas to modern NATO standards, retool a whole factory and train hundreds of employees and then for what? So they have to fire everyone again when the order is completed?

Might as well buy from Germany, which is France's main partner in the EU you know. It's a whole lot cheaper and gets rid of all of the NATO compatibility issues the Famas suffers from.

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>>33090736
Built in surrender sticks. So the rifle doesn't get scratched as you run away

>>33091447
The European m4.

>>33093359
I read somewhere that it costed like 7000 bucks. That's twice as much as the SIG 550 costs!

>>33092811
With modern 5.56 ammo it offers no advantage vs. any other carbine. Bullpups made sense when rifles were the main weapon, but now with carbines, you don't really need bullpups.

>>33094559
Bullpups are still shorter than carbines. My AUG with a 20" barrel is shorter than your AR-15 with a 16" barrel and fully collapsed stock.

>>33090736
Excellent for shooting rifle grenades.

>>33093139
I'd like to see a 40mm grenade with the penetration of an AT rifle grenade or the effect of a SIMON.

>>33094531
They had major issues in the production lines at the beginning. So much that they managed to reduce the cost by 40% when they decided to look at the issue. Still very expensive. I recall a GIAT exec saying "The problem is that, while the FAMAS is an excellent rifle, you can have 10 AK-74 for the same price. And our clients (african countries) will always prefer ten AK to a FAMAS". The rare export sales it managed to got were always to elite units like SF or presidential guards, guys that could afford it.

>>33093461
Apparently they want to restart their ammunition factories, so it's a start. Their MoD was pretty angry when he learned that they bought shitty foreign rounds when they are #1 at producing shotgun shells.

I want a G2 so fucking bad

>>33093139
>amongst almost all militaries
Politics and business. That doesn't make one better than the other.

>>33091549

Funny considering the years before the surrender of France in 1940, the French navy had all the money building up their fleet against the italians while what France lacked and needed the most were modern planes.

>>33090736
Your pic is airshit.

Also, 40 years ago, there were some. Today there's none.

t.frog

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Accuracy and thats it. Everything else about the rifle is shit.

The one problem I have with this rifle and others such as the Chicom assault rifles is how fucking high the carry handle is. I feel like if I were a grunt aiming with either rifle my neck would constantly be hurting. It might be me though

>>33090736

is that a FAMAS?

>>33091549
>wasn't designed with sights in mind

You need to keep context in mind when you judge firearms. The FAMAS was designed in the mid '70s.

Your other points are valid though.

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>>33091549
>compared to the Famas that doesn't have an underslung launcher
What is M203 mounts on famas.
Also what is APAV40 rifle grenade.
40x46mm is shit anyway.

Also
>the men in the sky who get everything they ask for
not really no. Plus, there's a little more interrest in building avanced fighter jets than equipping a bunch of faggots with a new pew pew that won't take out any bad guy anyway. This is not Algeria or Indochina anymore and your asses are too valuable to risk them.

A FELIN kit costs 23000 euros. With this money the Army could have bought and equiped every single soldier with relevant equipment like a new rifle, or at least make the F1 famas STANAG compatible among the other retarded changes they made to some F1. For fuck sake they bought A 400 EUROS A PIECE BAYONET from the italian Extrema Ratio company. A FOUR HUNDRED EUROS BAYONET !

So now you're stuck with this bullshit that took 25 years to be operational and won't be relevant before an additionnal 25 years.

For fuck sake the army can't even decide on a proper combat uniform or helmet or body armor. Hence micro-parcs and old as fuck vests which don't protect shit. Soldiers are only now receiving a kevlar helmet systematically.

You being an insecure motherfucker whinning about bullshit is exactly what the command and people who want to ruin our country want you to be : an asshole to the guy right next to you. Like that guy honking into a car jam thinking it will make it move faster. Congratulations. Don't forget to vote Macron, Hamon, or Fillon (the 3 "hon", litterally HONHONHON for real) to take it even deeper in your butthole.

Meanwhile any valuable officer I talked with agreed the main concern within the french army is wastage of money and equipment.
And any valuable recruit I talked to agreed they're fed up with the bullshit command want them to swallow.

tl;dr : Stop whinning and begin to find solutions. Starting by replacing the incompetent bastards, both in command and among troops.

>>33095955
>Don't forget to vote Macron, Hamon, or Fillon (the 3 "hon", litterally HONHONHON for real)
fuck I forgot MELANCHON too.
HON HON HON HON MY FELLOW FROG PERSON.

>>33095955
>dat pic
C'est l'heure de chiquer et de botter des culs... et j'ai plus de tabac.

>>33090846
Better than the A1, yes

The A2 is one of the best NATO rifles going

>>33093665
>The European m4.

So stupidly expensive, offers no real improvements, but everyone mentions how it's superior only because it's European?

>>33095955

Last I checked FELIN is up to 38,000 Euros per unit.

>>33090736
Can't speak to the G2, but the F1s I got to fuck around with were really quite dated. Aside from the non STANAG mag issue, they didn't have bolt hold-opens, so you don't know whether your mag is empty or you had a dud/FTF. The stupid bipod rattles and likes to catch on shit. Obviously the fixed carry handle means optics will kill your cheekweld. And worst of all is the trigger guard-mounted fire selector, which requires you to use your support hand to either take it off safe or put it on (depending on your handedness). You can do one of the operations with your firing hand, but you need your support hand to do the opposite action.

Basically, it was missing all of the little things that we consider to be default on modern rifles. But it's kind of understandable, considering how old the design is.

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>>33090736
It only costs $2250

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Which FAMAS is this?

>>33099954
A FAMOOSE.

>>33099954
The legendary FAMAS-36C

>>33097311
I want those tawawas

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>>33090736

>>33096222
A2 is junk. Noguns bingbong pls.

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>>33100301

>>33100376
>A2 is junk


t. someone who's never used one, the only issue is the weight.

>>33100301
Is that a QBZ-95?
Why do most bullpups look like the FAMAS rather than the AUG or the L85?

>>33099954
that's a VHS

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>>33093565

>>33100301
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf3RfidFKBw

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>>33095278

As the saying goes, France is always prepared for the previous war

>>33096211
Ton cul, ta gueule, quelle différence ?

>>33101849
I'm glad someone got the reference

>>33101840
It's a Croat VHS.

>>33099954

Serbian Betamax I think.

>>33099954
Slovenian Blu-ray.

>>33101881

>France is always prepared for the previous war

Like what the Seven Year's war?

Did France ever needed such a strong navy since the Entente Cordiale? They didn't fear Britain stealing French colonies anymore, Italy was right next door and Germany more like England's problem in the North Sea anyway.

That just seems like having very bad priorities to me.

>>33100762
That is a pretty big issue.

>>33093044
is this peak performance?

>>33091447
Piston ar-15's are literally a marketing trick.

>>33104873
They work great if designed well. I know the Sigs are, not sure about the HKs.

All Euro weapons that are not based on AK or AR are overrateda and overhyped pieces of shit.

>>33103933
If you're a manlet with noodle arms and a weak back.

>>33105469
Except DI already works great. It's a solution in search of a problem.

>>33090736
None.
It's lever delayed blowback and not all of them take STANAG mags and of those not all of them have the proper twist rate to stabilize any of the normal issue 5.56.

It may as well be in a one off proprietary caliber for what it is.

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>>33093044
>when they fall for the rifle grenade meme

>>33106889
DI is dirty as shit, why do you think no modern gun uses it.

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>>33107554
>dirty as shit

>>33090736
It can survive a .7 meter drop after not having been fired.

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>>33091870
S U R R E N D E R
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I imagine it's more rugged than other NATO rifles, as it'll be designed to be dropped every time the user goes anywhere near a battlefield.

>>33107614
meant for >>33093565

>>33107566
>No front locking rotating bolt guns can use it because it takes a shit on the bolt
>Only rear locking or tilting bolt
>Not dirty

>>33107655
>Only rear locking
?

>>33107973
>What are locking lugs on the rear of the bolt
Learn your shit

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>>33108769
DI ARs have locking lugs on the front of the bolt you moron. What the fuck are you on about?

>>33110225
ARs aren't DI.

https://www.google.com/patents/US2951424

Learn your shit

>>33110406
>get called out for being a fucking retard
>shift into a semantic argument
Why even bother?

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>>33110468
>get called out for being a fucking retard
>cry semantics
Why even bother?

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>>33110536
The original argument started about piston ARs. When someone says "piston AR" they are referring to pic related. When someone says "direct impingement AR", they are referring to the conventional AR15 gas system. The entire discussion was in the context of those two AR gas systems.

If you weren't such a fucking autist, you would understand this.

second generation FAMAS can eat brass ammo just fine.

FAMAS is getting replaced with HK416.

G36 is likely to be replaced by an AR pattern rifle.

Face it, other than the AUG, Stoner and Kalashnikov have designed the basics of every service rifle in the world.