ITT Explosive effect on large size crowd.

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>ATF drunk again

Typically, most munitions come with a casualty producing radius published in the literature.

Fortunately, Japan is a gun free zone, so there is no risk of such an event taking place.

>>33088495
>small explosion
>slightly larger explosion
>even larger explosion
>big explosion
>bigger explosion
>pretty big explosion

It'll be very orderly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ermNqkUUiJw

>>33088530

But, I mean in tightly packed crowd, will the force will reach its maximum casualty radius or being reduced because of crowd?

>>33088567
After a short range the primary killer will be fragmentation and not blast overpressure, I would assume that most frags stop after penetrating one or two bodies

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>>33088592

Hmm..That's a good point. Thanks Anon!

>>33088567
Unlikely. These weapons are designed to kill mainly through fragmentation. For example, the 155mm has a kill radius of 50m, however, in a tightly packed crowd most of the fragments will be stopped long before that.

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>>33088646

Agree.. Kinda forget that the keyword is 'fragmentation' not blast or explosive. Point taken.

airburst frag is the soloution to bodies stopping frag

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>>33088495
Found a pic of OP

>>33088495
meh. nothing a falun gong wacko with some sarin can't fix

otaku are cancer and need to be ablated.

>>33088559
trippy

>>33090586

me on the left

>>33088592
155mm you're talking 1lb chunks of razor sharp jagged shrapnel, you're tearing the first 10 people around impact into fine paste, the next 20 into ground beef and chunks of limb, and everyone else in OP's pic is a casualty

>>33090510
Pressure grenades are terrible in open areas. Remember that Hitler survived a suitcase bomb because it went off in an open room instead of an enclosed bunker.

>>33088559

That's pretty cool.

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>>33088567
>>33088592
Take note that this heavily depends on the stature of the population. A grenade in a tightly packed American crowd is likely to kill only three people while in Japan it could result in as many as 300 deaths.

>>33088559
Japanese discipline. This is why they won the Pacific War.

>>33090677
This is spot on, thinking that a 155 mm shell wouldn't mortally injure or severely incapacitate everybody in that square is rubbish. I'd also imagine the pure force of the blast liquefying internals of anything not hit by shrapnel in a decent part of the area.

As for the rest, search up lethal radius and estimate. The grenades and 60 mm mortar will take out a dozen or two dozen people, the other mortars a few dozen.

>>33088559

Japan is truly on another cognitive level.

>>33088592
Human bone will also serve as a secondary projectile.

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>>33090981

Human bone as a projectile? Does it possible?

>>33088511
This

>>33091386
That girl really loves tanks.

>>33091474
I think she just likes spaag

>using frag explosives as a means of taking out a crowd

Just use WP and be done with the stupid business.

>it's not a war crime if you're not killing humans with it

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>>33091599

What's the difference? Does WP are more effective for maximum casualty in tightly packed crowd than HE-FRAG?

>>33090981
2 edgy 4 me.

A I R B U R S T F R A G M E N T A T I O N

>>33091624
>frag relies slightly on blast and mostly on shrapnel/fragments to kill, both of which have very limited ranges with such small charges
>WP relies on burning and/or choking with its chemical cloud, which is unhindered by large amounts of people the same way frag is

Remember : it's not a war crime if you're not killing humans

>>33088495
What about a barrage of 20 TOS-1 thermobaric rockets?

>>33091937
>20 thermobaric rockets
>for crowd control

Jesus anon we're just killing a couple subhumans not levelling the whole block

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>>33091727
>>33090677
>>33090923
155mm airburst https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNCUeItvovs&feature=youtu.be&t=17
I highly doubt you'll be able to achieve 100% casualty even with 155mm airburst because no matter how many fragments you have due to area rule you are bound to miss quite a few lucky persons even inside the killzone. If it's not an airburst the fragments will probably be affected by the sheer number of bodies it has to penetrate, though I wouldn't count on it. If it's not an airburst though, I think a lot of the fragments will be dispersed in an upside down cone shape so you will miss a lot of people.

image for 25 meter kill radius.

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>>33092039
>area rule
derp I meant inverse-square law

>>33088530
>Fortunately, Japan is a gun free zone, so there is no risk of such an event taking place.
Just gonna take a fun, wholesome thread and inject your politics into it?
>I found it funny

>>33091962
It's not crowd control, it's pest control

>>33088559
As an Englishman this proper queuing etiquette pleases me.

>>33093549
Oops, my mistake. But my point still stands : you don't burn the house down for a couple of cockroaches. You poison them with gas, or in their case WP. 20 thermobarics would just be overkill.

Then again, there's no kill like overkill. You know what, OP? Here are two answers : a few mortar rounds of WP or a salvo of thermobaric rockets will do the trick, with results varying from burning japs to levelled Comiket. The choice is yours.

>>33091516

Tanks can't get it up like SPAAGS do.

>>33088559
2 nukes wasn't enough.

>>33092039
what about a cluster charge?

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>>33092039
>>33091852
>>33092063

Guys, you're awesome! Thanks for the input. I really really appreciate that.

>>33088559
[ANGRY WASP NOISES]

>>33095843
Now go on comrade, make the rest of the world proud. I'm looking forward to seeing "Crazy Jap Commits War Crimes That Would Make Israel Seem Nice All By Himself" in the news.

>>33088530

>that nerve gas tho

>>33088495
Frags, yes. Blast pressure, no. You'll see a reduction in the area of primary frag casualties but no change in the OP(over pressure) radius. the degree of reduction will depend on the average shape/size of the frags. A smaller grenade/shell with a fragmenting liner will be more effected than say a shaped antipersonnel mine.

>>33091624
WP= white phosphorous, a type of incendiary. imho probs wouldnt work better in the end unless you really got some nice coverage with it.

>>33091386
It does. sometimes is seen with suicide bombers who use vests in a crowded area.