Is it woth it?

Yes.

Just be smart and don't get ripped off.

>>33081632
Yes, absolutely.
It's not even that expensive.

>>33081632
No. Not trying to shit on HK, they're my favorite manufacturer, but that is probably one of the more overrated guns I can think of
>inb4 /k/ just hates on shit it can't afford
I've heard from several owners that it's the favorite gun. I've handled one, it just wasn't for me. I'm sure it's the best polymer gun out there, but personally I don't see anything jaw dropping about it to boast a grand price tag
If I was going to get a polymer gun I'd get one of those steyrs.

>>33081632
Is it UNRELIABLE!?

>>33081692
They're like $800 new. Stop shilling steyr.

Should I get a Mark 23 OR a Desert Eagle?

Just for recreational shooting nothing else.

>>33081632
I love my p2000sk. I dislike safeties, but if you don't mind them it's a great gun, just make sure it's at a good price.

>>33081797
Do you want to smash cinder blocks or dress up in black BDUs in your living room and dry fire at the TV while watching Executive Decision?

>>33081772
What do you have against Steyr? Or can you just not see it's literally THE BEST manufacturer on the face of the planet and their polymer pistols are literally the best pistols on the planet as well?

>>33082037
I think you just confused Steyr and HK.

>>33081692
I can agree partially. I've handled a USP at the range. I can honestly say, it's not the gun for me. And I was so hyped to try it out too.

>>33081998

yes

>>33081632
It's a type of gun that doesn't really have anything unique or amazing but it will go bang each time you pull the trigger no matter what and it will always be there for you when you need it.

In short it is a good gun to have when you just want a good solid gun.

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>>33081632

I guess it depends on how much they're asking. I bought my new in box USP Tactical for $892, my used standard USP 45 for $525 and recently bought a .40S&W USP with an HK Quik-Comp for $550.

>>33082204
This right here

It's a gun that works like a gun should be.

>>33082037
You really should out yourself as a shill if you're trying to make us like something.

IT'S NOT A SOLDIER'S GUN

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>>33081632
Only if you use this as your carry ammo

https://underwoodammo.com/shop/45-super-230-grain-bonded-jacketed-hollow-point/

https://underwoodammo.com/shop/45-super-185-grain-xtp-jacketed-hollow-point/

https://underwoodammo.com/shop/45-super-255-grain-hard-cast-flat-nose/

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>>33082853

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>>33081797
why not both?

>>33081632
Yes

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>>33081632
You tell me, motherfucker.

>had a USP9c
>hated the trigger (HK's trigger shape, too flat and wide)
>would literally miss paper at 5yd
>liked it anyways
>sold it
>kinda still want to get a USP45

Dammit HK, i wish i could quit you

>>33083479
>Miss paper at 5yd
Is this a troll?

>>33083466
How much did you pay for the light?

>>33081632
Is fucking with a 1995 USP45 by adding match trigger and springs sacrilege?

>>33082208
Where did you get the tactical?

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HK really isn't even that expensive. Used USPs are like 600 bucks, new P2000sk goes for 550 for 9mm da/sa on CDNN. Compare that to sig, I've been looking for a P226 9mm and finding one under 700 is impossible.

Also HK is sex, if you ever try one.

>>33083491
No troll. I just suck shit with polymer guns in general. I've had this problem with multiple HK's and other poly guns. Guns other people have no problems with I cant shoot for shit for some reason. That's why i stick with my steel guns.

I do also wanna get a Steyr L9 as my last foray into polymer. It just looks so comfy.

>>33083525
No you're good as long as you don't turn it into a LEM.

>>33083525
$120 OTD

>>33083550
That makes absolutely zero sense, polymer vs. steel should not change your ability. Do you just flinch like a bitch?

>>33083559
Why in gods name would I do that to my baby? Just want to put the match trigger kit in it and swap springs to something just a little lighter.

>>33083567
Damn, where did you pick that up at?

>>33083574
Not that I've noticed or anyone has pointed out.

I started with a P320, was decent with it, got into some CZ's and was using those more, went back to the Sig and couldnt hit shit with it anymore. Same goes for a couple different HK's i've owned/shot. I don't know what it is. Weight/balance difference and difference in trigger pull + shape vs the guns i'm better practiced with is about all i can think of.

>>33081692
>I'm sure it's the best polymer gun out there
It's not,
T. another USP owner


Love mine guys, but it's glory days are passed.

>>33083544
Link for $600 USP? I was getting ready to pay the $800 for Bud's.

>>33083617
Get some snap caps and sneak them in half way down the mag, you'll see the muzzle try to dive for the dirt.

That's weird and you need to dry fire more.

>>33081632
Meh.

>>33083615
LGS,

Take Aim Guns
Palm Harbor, FL

would recommend.

>>33083629
What is then?

>>33083629
Name a better polymer framed gun.

>>33083641
I got my USP45 for $580 at a local police evidence auction.

>Something about the last owner dying on a city transit train?

I just bought a VP9 today, grey and sexy.

>>33081692
I find that all polymer guns at the end of the day perform fairly similarly. My performance between a glock with aftermarket sights (because I cannot into those shitty plastic sights where the hoop and ball don't line up with the posts) and a usp isn't that much different, and seeing as used usps are like $500-$600, I'd go for it

>>33081797
mk23, cheaper ammo, and a way cooler gun. 45 super > 50 ae
>>33083641
not unless it's a .40. 9mm usp (best usp) starts at $700 and goes up

>>33083730
>9mm
>Best USP
Absolutely wrong. .45 is the best with .40 coming in at second place. 9mm is the worst in anything except maybe the compact.

>>33081632
4 dragon dildos

>>33083662
Oh yeah, didn't he sit there for like 6 hours? On a serious note I'd buy a USP from a police auction, that just means it works right.

>>33083744
oh look it's a metal gear solid II/cod fag

fuck off you nigger, .40 is never the best option in any gun ever. USP 9mm is a smooth experience, and the USP expert is the goddamn sexiest handgun on the planet

>>33083932
The USP from the tanker chapter was a 9mm.

>>33083798
I don't think they ever specified, the story in the beginning was about another random body that rode the train for 6 hours.

I regret nothing, it's got some sexy finish ware but it functions flawlessly. I really need a threaded barrel and suppressor for it.

>>33083932
No, the 9mm is stupid because this gun was designed for hot loads and is pretty fucking big as it is. It also has a great buffer system to reduce the felt recoil. Using a smaller weaker cartridge that still doesn't actually have a large capacity is asinine.

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There is no better pistol on earth then a USP. It does everything well.
I first fell for the block meme but then
>pic related

>>33083629
Cuck

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>>33083541

Three Bears. Its a small warehouse chain here in Alaska and I think a couple other states. They usually have pretty good deals on guns and ammunition. Got my brand new Browning BLR in .300 Win Mag there for $528.

>>33084057
All of those alternatives besides CZ are prohibitively expensive as fuck.

Nobody actually thinks a Glock is the perfect handgun. What's so "perfect" about them is that they combine ease of use, reliability, accuracy, and comfort at a price point most normies and non-gun enthusiasts can appreciate.

An average Joe looking for a decent CCW or a single mom looking for a home defense gun isn't going to go to the store and buy some obscure H&K gun that costs more than her car and looks like something from Halo 2.

>>33084542
seriously? walthers are glock prices, hk makes the vp9, sig makes the 320. all within glocks price range and function

>>33081632
Get a Px4. It's a same quality poly hammer 9x19 with an even higher special snowflake level for a lower price. Also the mags aren't $60 fucking dollars. What the fuck HK.

>>33084542
>ease of use,
yes, compared to a DA/SA, not more easy to use then any other striker fired
> reliability,
meme, any gun from the top 10 will be just as reliable
>accuracy,
look above
>and comfort at a price point most normies and non-gun enthusiasts can appreciate.
Theyre not in hipoint prices. They are priced just the same as the competition.

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Is it worth it?
Never held or shot one and I know it's absolutely impractical but I think it's pure sex.

definitely worth it, got my Mk 23 last year, never regretted it. Got a USP Expert in 9 and love it, still going to get a standard USP in .45 and an Expert in .45 if I can find it. Got a P30SK a few weeks ago, great little gun for discreet carry

even if you get one and regret it, you'd have a hard time not getting your money back if you choose to sell it

>>33082208
That HK bullet flipping mechanism still blows my mind. The fact that bullet gymnastics literally make misfeeds something like 1 in 500,000 and the engineering that they did to make it makes the price tag worth it in every way.

what hk for iwb?

6'6" 250, though I don't wear baggy clothes

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>>33081632
It depends if you are willing and able to pay for it, I have a USP 45 and it's a nice pistol, but I'd rather have an HK45 since the rails mount normal lights than the proprietary.

>>33083932
It's okay they make experts in 45 too

>>33085017
I've held one and it felt great. It weighs less than a 1911.

>>33085017
Like the USP?

Want it even bigger?

If yes on both buy now do not collect $200.

>>33085056
They were all bought by the Californians

One store was selling them on gunbroker for $900 but not to Californians local to them. You had to transfer it to another store to get that price. If you didn't it was $1065. They jacked the price up to $1099 on gunbroker now. I picked up one at another store for $915 even though I had to drive thirty minutes farther out of principal

>>33085418

fuckin a that sucks. i think i'm lookin at around $900 from my lgs with my membership disc.

but it's gonna be after I put the last payment down my my SP5K, I can't fuckin wait.
one week

>>33082853
Not OP but my woods/hiking gun is my full size USP loaded with the Underwood hard cast .45 acp ammo. Same ballistics as a .45LC and those hard cast bullets of theirs punch through a ridiculous amount of shit.

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>>33085303
Hey, 1995 USP bro!

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>>33085680
Same here, I'm actually cleaning it right now

Classic Firearms has brand new USP Compact LEM 9mm models for $550.

Seems way below market price... should I jump on it?

>>33085538
Yeah people were wondering if they could buy the gun broker item and come in store to pay for the lower price and the answer was no. Even if you're drop shipping it can't be that much of a price difference

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>>33081632

No.

If you're going to drop decent money on an HK you get it's improved successor, the P30.

Pic related.

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>>33086177
This price seems crazy, I wonder why it's not sold out already.

Does the LEM ruin it?

>>33086516
>p30
>improved
That's a good one.
The only thing the p30 has over the USP is that it is smaller and most people find it has better ergonomics.
The p30 trigger versus the USP is hot garbage.
The p30 ditched the dual recoil spring assembly for some half assed nylon bushing.
The p30 for no reason costs more than a USP.

>>33085680
>Not using .45 Super

>>33086624

Kek, you're like a related breed to 1911 traditionalists.

The USP was a fine gun and all, absolutely.

But there's literally nothing wrong with the P30 recoil spring assembly, and the ergonomics ARE improved in every measurable way when you account for the multiple grip options included with the gun.

The trigger is admittedly a weak point, I won't contest that. Don't let yourself be deluded into thnking that the USP's trigger is anything special, though.

The price is also down from where it was previously, it's going to happen with any gun from a "prestigious euro manufacturer" like HK (or FN, just look at the price of the SCAR)

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>>33086558
>>33086177
I jumped, just before seeing this thread. I know it's an LEM, but that's interchangeable. With the transfer fee it's ~600 OTD. I'm okay with that as long as it's not a lemon.

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>>33086804
we jack bauer now

>>33086804
>>33086875
Congrats guys, you own any HK guns already?

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>>33086892
Thanks. It'll be my first HK.

>>33086875
ughhhh idk how a lem trigger works

so tempting

>>33086804
>>33086875
if it was a DA/SA decocker only I MIGHT do it!

>>33086948
it's a lightweight DAO, and you can swap parts to a match grade DA/SA with a safety and decocker. Get it now.

>>33086926
Oh man, that's awesome, you get to pretend to be an operator in a R6 game now!

>>33086948
There's YouTube videos of it, it's basically like having a striker fired gun. The good news is you can change it to a "normal" USP but the bad news is you'll have to buy several parts to do it.

>>33086948
Seems a lot like the DA+/triple action on a LH9/DP51 from what I've seen.

Precocked with hammer down for a long, but very light DAO trigger pull.

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>>33086948
According the CF's UPC, the version they're selling is V1.

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>>33086964
>decocker only

>>33086714
USP is much tougher than the P30

>>33081632
I don't know, but I'd love to own a USP in .45 ACP one day.

>>33087070
Mine fucking rocks, just got done cleaning it

>>33087098
Lel ive never cleaned mine.

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>>33086978
The original rainbow six was pretty good though.

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>>33087250
I do it as an excuse to touch her.

>Yes I know the picture sucks

>>33087285
>them classic gats
I like the cut of your jib mate.

>>33087269
I didn't mean it as a negative.

>>33087309
Thanks, it's a small part of the collection but I love the origonals.

>1st year USP45
>1988 Gen1 G17
>92s
>German (unfortunately post-reunion) P228

They are all fantastic guns.

>Captcha: Aberdeen Public
We prooving grounds now boys

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>>33087356
I want one of the original Beretta 92 models with the frame safety pretty badly. Your 92s is pretty close in appearance to them.

I don't have a recent picture of it by itself but my USP 45 is also a first year date code KF. I put a threaded barrel on and ambi safety. Still have the original parts.

>>33087491
Palmer/Wasilla bro?

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>>33086177
>>33086558
>>33086804
>>33086875

LEM is great. The USP also has a good DA/SA. However, something weird is going on with these pictures. What's with the PW Arms import mark and the ambi or left-handed safety? The LEM shouldn't have a safety at all.

>>33081632
An heroing is worth it though, anon

>>33083617
Are you me?

Used my 320 for a while, switched it up... Go back to 320, can't hit shit. Want to sell it.

>>33087269
>1998 rainbow six

my childhood

>>33087711
Legit why I bought my USP.

>>33087677
>>33083617
I'm convinced you are the type of people that talk shit to me for training on a dozen different handguns.

>>33087543
Nah bro, I'm from Ohio lol
I'm assuming you mean palmer/wasilla Alaska?

>>33087741
I bought a USP compact 40 8 years ago for my first pistol. Now i got the HK bug again...

>>33087002
?? problem? its variant 3

>>33087891
I'm just giving you shit. I prefer cocked and locked, I am just an old 1911 fudd with an HK.

>>33087943
think ima just get the cz p-01 like I was planning on getting... Sweet price on the gun tho

I'm buying a USP expert in 9mm, jet funnel and all as soon as I have the money.

>>33087891
Buy a MK23.

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>>33088028
>usp expert

>>33086516
nope, literally sold my shitty p30 to get a usp, way better trigger, the grip is a solid piece and doesn't have flex in it, and the slide releases are too big and get caught under your hand.

USP > p30

>>33081772
I like my strut. It was under 500

>>33085990
>>33085303
Yeah! KFbros.

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>>33088403
This is a really old picture but here's my KF USP 45.
>inb4 fuzzy as shit
Yeah well it was taken in 2012 on a poorfag smart phone.

>>33087804
Yeah, your picture reminded me of a guy up here that has close to or over 100 guns. All of them are rare/awesome pieces, he posted further up in the thread

>>33081632
I got one recently in 9mm and i love it. The p30 is a good switch out if you find one cheaper but both are amazing guns in my opinion.

thinking about getting a uspc for a carry now.

>>33088403
>>33088438
>KF date code is best date code

>>33086875
Not trying to sound like a stalker but where do you live? Im about two hours away from Classic and I got charged 21 for shipping

>>33088292

Never trued a p30 but my friend's USP trigger is pretty shitty, especially double action.
Longer reset than I prefer as well

>>33087650
It's a factory option, if you google the UPC you'll see lots of them in that exact configuration.

>>33088523
I've noticed some variation in USP triggers, mine is pretty bad but my buddy's is alot better. They are both stock, no match upgrade.

That said I've handled the p30 and it's single action pull was objectively worse than any USP I've tried. I don't remember the double action on the p30 as I probably didn't try it out. I prefer cocked and locked.

>>33088767
The USP's trigger is one that appreciates with age, I've found. You can disassemble it and sand down the contact surfaces if you're damn man enough. A properly broke-in/smoothed USP single stage is something to behold.

>>33087650
Good to know the LEM model wasn't a waste of money, thanks.

The ambi safety is because that's how some eurocuck police department ordered a big shipment before backing out at the last minute. Classic says they scooped up the whole batch for dirt cheap.

I presume they either got PW to import it for them, or they bought it all off PW in the first place instead of direct from HK. Don't know how that works honestly.

I'd have preferred without the safety, or with it just on the left, but I'll live with it for this price.

>>33088500
That's fucking weird. I live in AZ, there's no reason for it to be cheaper for me at all.

>>33087650
>import mark
Dropped.

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>>33088438
mine's a kd, dont even have polygonal rifling

>>33088977
Pre captive recoil spring as well I see.
40 or 9mm?

>>33088977
Caliber? We have superior .45 super which was not made before KF

Absolutely. Best polymer gun currently on the market. The CZ P-07 is also really good.

>>33089010
Hey now let's not start the infighting, that shit is for czfags and glocktards.

>>33088835
I don't get it either. First it had a place holder shipping cost of 15, entered my zipcode for an estimate, went up to 20. Then when I selected my ffl which is closer to Classic and it went up.

I'm not trying to be a jew and cry over a few shekels after getting a bargain like that but wtf

>>33089007
>>33089010
9mm. Got a new recoil spring and third magazine on the way

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>>33081632
Answer these three questions to find out:

Do you like to file flight plans?
Would you shoot a man before throwing him from a plane?
Could you recognize a big guy?

If you answered yes to any of these questions then the USP is for you.

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>>33083404
>mrrl

>>33089070
>9mm
You chose wisely

>>33089024
Just friendly ribbing m8

>>33089070
Nice, you use the jetfunnel?

>>33085017
>absolutely impractical
Must be why it was designed for USSOCOM.

>>33089110
There is no wrong choice with a USP

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>>33081998
its a regular usp, not a mk23

>>33090051
>m2 utl
I really wish I had gotten one when I could

>>33090051
He could watch Soldier or Sicario instead.

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sup guys can I hang out with you

>>33090103
No.

>>33081632
Functionality for cost? No.
Tickles 'tisms and makes /k/ cream their pants? Yes.

>>33090113
You are now aware that anything other than a hi point is not worth the functionality for the cost.

>>33090265
I like being able to detail clean my gun without punching roll pins.

>>33090295
That's a like not a need.

>>33085017

They're pretty fucking big for a handgun, I would not try to CC it. If you open carry or use it as a range toy they're fantastic.

>>33090309
Sure, if having a functional gun is not a "need".

>>33090321
They are functional and you can clean it just fine without tearing it down

>>33081632
A big gun for you, and a real hero

>>33090335
My uncle's c9 is a piece of shit and cycles at most 3 times before jamming. Also, who thought using the firing pin as the ejector was a good idea?

>>33088102
moice dude. got mine about 6 months agp, fuckin love it

>>33081632
No. It's not a soldier's gun.

>>33090415
>what is a warranty
We've all seen 1100 dollar SIGs choke and countless untold numbers of 1911s not to mention the gen 4 glock debacle.
Also
>sample size of one

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>>33090424
FULL LENGTH GUIDE ROD
TIGHT TOLERANCES

>>33090426
>sample size of one
With a failure rate of %100 why would he get another one.

>>33090447
>he doesn't know how sampling works
It's time to log off Cletus, your internets usage is racking up your parent's phone bill.

>>33090095

>watch Soldier or Sicario instead.

Soldier is underrated, just like Kurt Russell, even considering his remarkable career.

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>>33081632

>>33090697
That's an airsoft gun

>>33090697
>>33090702
Indeed it is an airsoft gun. lel doesn't even notice "tanaka" in the picture.

>>33087711
Fuck, I remember making horrible but fun plans for those missions. Loved just sending two people in random entries while the rest go try hard.

>>33089089
Not OP but yes to 1 & 2, not sure the reference
Also work doesn't allow them so gotta CC

>>33081632
No, it's a meme. Buy a Glock and get perfection instead. H&K produces some of the most overrated and shittiest plastic (Read: Not polymer) handguns on the market.

>>33090474
I wonder why
>Dead guy with two guns strapped to him
>Strings tied to trigger
>Full auto mag dump
>Bad guys scream "SNIPER FIRE!!"
>Jumps in direction of the fire with no cover

So good

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>>33091251

>>33091281
>t. buyers remorse
Enjoying those $40 magazines and constant jams when a bit of dust blows towards your "gun"

>>33091290
>I've got no facts
>better make implications
Enjoy your grenade

>>33087787
He may not be, but I question the practice.

Training on a dozen is surely fun, but if you were training to fight you'd be wise to increase the time on selected weapons to hone your instincts and efficiency.

Most guns are toys so no need to do that IRL.

No need to shoot the things either. You can just sit there and oil them while fapping to their theoretical effectiveness, preferably ranked on a spreadsheet containing every detail of each delicious toy including CAD drawings.

>>33090265
>You are now aware that anything other than a hi point is not worth the functionality for the cost.

Cost is relative. If not a poorfag buying select quality guns is smarter than autismally buying junk.

If anything under a thousand bucks hurts, skip the purchase and fix your life instead of bleeding money on toys.

>>33090265
?? I spend more on ammo in a month then I generally do on the cost of a new gun. 400-1,200 doesn't bug me at all, it just means I shoot less for two months if I'm closer to 1,200.

This is why I laugh at you shreeking autists about how a CZ only goes 50k rounds before minor parts failure vs a Glock/FNS/USP that goes far beyond (or whatever stupid theorycraft scenario you're running where any of that matters), you're splitting hairs on non-cost issues after having spent thousand upon thousands on the ammo to operate the gun.

>>33084580
Yes a bunch of other manufactures copied what glock was doing, how does that make them better?

>>33081754
IT'S NOT A SOLDIERS GUN

I want a new ccw

USPc, P30sk or P2000?

>>33091888
p2000sk
USPc is kinda big

>>33092059
I carry a vp9 iwb now, so I'm kinda used to it, would like something a bit smaller for warmer weather though

>>33083932
>le .40 is bad

If you have even slight problems controlling a USP .40 you're an absolute pussy t b h

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>>33083932

40 is the best, you know it. Makes larger permanent strech cavities and temporary crush cavities, impart more energy on the target shattering larger pieces of bones and allowing them to lacerate additional tissue internally. 40S&W drives heavier bullets, heavier bullets perform better on intermittent barriers maintain cleaner trajectories when deflected off obstacles or bones.

All 40 is +P - and even the target rounds are naturally truncated and behave more like wad cutters than ball nose. Have fun being stuck with WWB 9x19 guys. 40S&W being inherently +P.

Overall highest energy, highest capacity combo, highest ballistic efficiencies (sectional density, optimized bullet weights) loads available. .

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>>33091640
I train with my competition gun more than anything but at least I'm not the guy dropping spaghetti because I suddenly get stupid fingers picking up a new gun.

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>>33081632
Only if you like technology

> http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-carry-guns/50573-found-microchip-my-hk-usp-compact.html

>>33091863

NOT A SOLDIER'S GUN?

>bumpfire mag dump

UNRELIABLE!?

>>33083544
ktpguns.com
tons of cheap sigs.

I'm kind of a newfag, I'm debating on a getting a handgun and I'm looking at the P226 mk25 but I hear a lot of great things about the USP, any advice /k/?

>>33094023
Hold both of them and see which you like better. They're both nice guns and you can't really go wrong.

>>33093619
what the fuck?

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>>33094278
Yeah, all those guns from classic firearms probably have these.

>>33081632
What do you want it for? If you never want a light or to carry it with magazines, then it is fine, otherwise they are a pain in the ass to find accessories for.

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>>33094023

>>33094314
wonder what they are really for?

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>>33085017
It is my favorite handgun I own, but it Is going to be much to large for most people unless you have big hands. here is a deagle for reference.

>>33094382
Inventory and maintenance. It uses piezoelectric sensor to count how many rounds have been fired and an RFID tag to access this count and log repairs that have been made and stuff like that. It's normally a feature requested on government guns and occasionally ends up in commercial guns due to some extras from the government runs. It's not a big deal, but some people worry about it.

>>33094384
>the mk23 is DUMB thicc

>>33094320
>gg&g mount

>>33094426
>airshit accessories

>>33094121
I've shot the 226 and loved it, but I still haven't even held a USP. Thanks for the info anon

>>33094362
Would you say .45, .40, or 9mm?

which one do you have?

>>33094674
What will you be using it for? I have the .45

>>33094693
Maybe a little CC, but mostly range or camping fun times

>>33094721
Camping I'd get the .45 and load underwood hardcast .45 super, it's basically .45 colt in an automatic. For dedicated CC I'd rock the 9mm with 18 round jetfunnel mags.

Or you could get the .40 and carry +p and try to convince yourself it's as good as 10mm

>>33081632
To be honest. I just dont see what is so fucking special about it. To me it looks fucking Like another generic polymer handgun. what is the real difference between this gun and say An SP2022 or an FNX or something similar?

>Inb4 MUH HK.

I dont doubt its a good handgun, but there is nothing in particular that sets this apart from the rest.

Then again. Im a CZ fag so......

>>33094749
>Not recommending the compact.
The FS is just too big for most anyone to conceal carry.

Just face it, you're going to have to get both.

>>33094795
RIP my savings

>>33094766
>During testing, a bullet was deliberately lodged in a USP barrel. Another cartridge was then fired into the obstructing bullet. The second bullet cleared the barrel, resulting in a barely noticeable bulge. The pistol was then fired for accuracy and the resulting group measured less than 4 inches at 25 meters.

Want me to continue? Or do you feel stupid yet?

>>33094795
>Not recommending the compact
His other option was a P226, he's obviously a big guy

>>33094935
>he's obviously a big guy
uuuu

>>33094968
For you

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hk is best k

>>33095099
Was there ever any doubt?

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mfw I'm a new shooter and this thread is making me fall for the H&K meme

>>33094935
>>During testing, a bullet was deliberately lodged in a USP barrel. Another cartridge was then fired into the obstructing bullet. The second bullet cleared the barrel, resulting in a barely noticeable bulge. The pistol was then fired for accuracy and the resulting group measured less than 4 inches at 25 meters.

I Think thats just on the barrel quality and not the gun itself overall.

>>33095332
What's the matter, anon?
Don't you want to be a true Teutonic operator?

>>33094766
well, the fnx/fnp is a newer design. It comes down to quality and durability. the dual spring system is unique. id do a fnx desu. but sp2022 is shit

>>33094320
>magazines only $5-10 more than glock mags
>UTL can be had for less than $150
>TLR4 can be had with USP rail mount
Any other complaints?

>>33095345
>During the USP testing phase, it was shown the recoil-reduction system reduces the force on the USP grip to approximately 300 newtons (67 pounds-force). Peak force shock on competing .40 caliber polymer and metal framed pistols was around 5,000 newtons (1,100 pounds-force).

It also passed all NATO adoption tests with flying colors and was fed a diet of proofing loads with zero damage.

>>33095332
The USP is not a great first handgun, but it's absolutely required in a collection.

>>33096124
Why not?

>>33096150
It's a big somewhat akward combat pistol, while the magazines and holsters are not prohibitively expensive $10 is a box of ammo that a new shooter seriously needs, and your first handgun should be a Ruger MKi, ii, iii, 22/45, or a .22 revolver.

>>33085152
Fuck you, I'll have you know I just ordered a USP compact and because of your post spent about 15 minutes researching this 'bullet flipping' shit and now I feel like a moron

>>33096294

Just ordered myself one. Gonna fit a match trigger to it.

VP stands for ''people's pistol.'' I didn't know that. I can't wait to get mine tomorrow.

>>33096269
Alright, that's funny as shit

>>33096322
You talking about the classic firearms ones?

>>33096438
He's replying to the post I deleted because I didn't realize that the guy who told me about the deal in the first place probably got it from earlier in this thread where it was being discussed

but yes

>>33094674
9mm if you liked MGS2
.40 if you liked original Rainbow Six
.45 if you liked Collateral

>>33096495
.40 is meme just like 10mm

>>33096516
.40 is a meme of a meme, considering it's a watered down version...

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>>33096465
Can you check it for a microchip when you get it and report back?

>>33081632
>MFW listening to "Big Iron" while dry firing my USP45 in my living room

>>33096526
>Can you check it for a microchip when you get it and report back?
I'm not the only one who bought one, and I'm also not going to get it until they're out of stock.
But if there's an HK thread when I pick it up from the FFL, I'll post in it.

The microchip is nothing to be worried about, anyways

>>33096516
Nigger did you even read my post?

>>33096544
>The microchip is nothing to be worried about, anyways
Of course not, but it's cool as shit

>>33096649
oh, I thought you were on the other side of the coin.
Yeah, it'd be cool if it were activated and had a reader. I wouldn't mind having something like that just for funsies.

>>33096665
I would like an HK phone app that lets you use the chip.

>>33096715
>phone app
That's how people track you, retard.

>>33096814
How fucking stupid are you?

>>33096855
no, he's right honestly

>>33096715
>HK
>doing stuff for civilians

pick one.
this is coming from a happy USP owner.
HK hates us and its because we suck.

>>33096814
If you have a phone on you at all you can be tracked, with a hypothetical HK shot counter app it would be HK tracking you as well as whatever 3 letter agency is keeping tabs on your phone that day.

>>33096879
No, he's a dipshit.

>>33096900
Please god let this meme die.

>>33096900
Honestly I like the fact HK doesn't do "new SIG" tier bullshit like that.
They can focus more on the actual product, like quality control, something other manufacturers have been neglecting.
The vp9 is the glaring example of how bad it can be if HK were to start getting "civilian" oriented.
Instead of making a gun that was reliable and accurate they put so much time in trying to make a good striker fired trigger they now have a pistol that chokes on tap water.

>>33097002
I like the VP9, though. It's a comfy shoot. The P30 and HK45 feel great.

>>33097002
>they now have a pistol that chokes on tap water.
this is the meme >>33096952
was talking about

>>33096932
The more information you put out, the more easily you can be tracked by anyone. Including agencies, companies, foreign governments, and criminal groups. Minimize your data foot print instead of saying "oh well".

>>33097022
It may be a meme but it's true, the vp9 cannot handle getting a little dirty.
The vp9 was also designed primarily for the civilian market hence the name "volkspistole".
Truly I do like HK, and I can't stand the meme faggotry either, but the vp9 has not lived up to the reputation of HK's other firearms.

>>33097077
>T. Guy with a prepaid flip phone, no email, a bicycle instead of a car, and only 80% builds

Minimizing your digital footprint means giving up nearly every modern luxury, for absolutely no reason.
If I plan on committing a crime or treason I'll clean up after myself, as it sits I'm quite happy simply not posting to social media and not making myself worth tracking.

>Clowns that think they're Edward fucking Lyle

>>33097142
>Minimizing == eliminating
Don't be pedantic. You cannot feasibly remove all the tools of surveillance from your life. I merely said that linking your gun and its use to your phone is a huge potential for tracking and surveillance.

>>33097170
Why the fuck would I want to track you? Why would anyone want to track you? Do you think you're THAT important?

>>33097170
>I merely said that linking your gun and its use to your phone is a huge potential for tracking and surveillance.
Which provides fuck all information that is useful to a government agency that they don't already have if you're a person of interest.

>>33097170
I'd like to rate your grey man setup.

>>33097183
>Do you think you're THAT important?
See >>33097142
Motherfucker thinks he's gonna have to take will smith on a crazy espionage adventure on short notice.

>>33097183
>Implying it takes large amounts of labor to track somebody in the digital age.
Stop giving away your freedom for the latest fad.

>>33097199
>Implying you cannot become a person of interest at some point in the future.

>>33097252
So you pay for all ammunition, range fees, gas near the range, and firearms accessories in cash right? Don't forget never ever filling out a 4473, that would be foolish for a super spy like yourself.

>>33097321
I'd give back my social security number if I could. The Amish don't know how good they have it.

>>33083404
Muh melanin-enriched friend.

>>33097360
Of course you would.

>MFW people thinking the government gives a fuck
>MFW people think if the government did they would be important enough to be on that list
>MFW people advocate going full tinfoil
>MFW these people are still posting on fucking 4chan, one of the most monitored sites around

Get off the fucking computer Matt Damon, they have a backtrace on your IP cell towers satellite signal.

>>33097360
>>33097444
Also, to be clear, I come from a family of Aryan Nations full conspiracy Waco jobs who used to (No shit, I swear to god) spend the night at the Weaver 'compound'. I was almost born at home so there wouldn't be a certificate of live birth or a SS#, and while I loved my grandpa to death, that shit is just as pointless as the crap you're spewing.

>>33085017
Well - if you get bit by the bug, nothing else will do. I tried buying other shit. Bought a Sig Legion. Bought a USP Expert. Still ended up buying a Mark 23.

I regret nothing.

>>33097484
>Thinks being raised by a bunch of inbred racists invalidates my argument.
I wish you were aborted instead.

>>33097884
Just for you I emailed HK and asked if they will sell a chipped gun to civilians at request and if there is a way to activate and read them without the HK transponder.

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Just got it from CF

574 Shipped.

I could resell it for more if I hate it so I'm not too worried.

>>33098178
Please check for chips.

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>>33098245
Will do. I have to get my ffl to fax their data tomorrow so it might be a while before I get it. I'm looking right around 600 dollars out the door. Not too bad. Not too bad at all.

>>33098290
Nice, congrats

>>33098496
Thanks m8

Didn't think I'd be getting an HK as my first carry gun. Fuck me it's alot of money compared to the XDs I was going to get.

>>33084542
>Prohibitively expensive
LOL, do you not have a job or something?

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>>33083662
Glock

>>33098564
>compared to the XDs I was going to get.
Holy shit did you luck out. Why the hell would you even consider that?

>>33098728
What's wrong with it? Decent trigger. Feels good in the hand. Slim.

Also Springfield is running a deal where you get a holster, mag pouch and 4 mags with any new XDs.

I'm still likely going to end up with a single stack 9 for when I don't feel like concealing the USP.

>>33083662
Oh shit, I heard about that guy, wasn't he in real-estate?

>>33098722
Are you fucking kidding me?

>>33098744
>Also Springfield is running a deal where you get a holster
Like Ian and Karl said
>"If it comes with a holster, it's probably a piece of shit"

But seriously, it's less durable than even Glock, uses thinner and more brittle plastic components, and it's built to be a casual carry gun for people that shoot one mag and put it in the holster to never get used again.

>>33083404
Christ I never realized how fucking massive the mk23 is

>>33098794
I have seen people who have actually used the XDs online and it seems to hold up well enough. What makes you say all that?

Also I have no illusions the holster would probably be shit but the 4 mags and mag carrier is good.

To be fair though I think I prefer the Glock 43 after holding one in store though. But it doesn't come with as many mags, is more money and I only got to handle the .45 XDs which apparently has a worse trigger.

>>33098813
So massive the SEALs said

>"We're tiny handed pussies, please give us Glock brand Glocks"

>>33096495
I want to get the .45 because it's
UNRELIABLE

>>33098794
>Holster included = Piece of shit
>Like Ian and Karl said
You're an idiot who doesn't deserve an opinion.

>>33098917
You seriously don't get the logic behind that?

>If you have to include things like holsters and a bunch of mags to sell your gun it is likely a total POS that can't sell on its own merit

You know what I hear from every person that buys an XD?
>"Oh, I was going to just buy a Glock, but the XD had a bunch of freebies"

It's the gun for uninformed casual gun owners that go to the range once every 6-8 months and pay someone to change their oil that thought the G19 was too expensive.

>>33098744
>conceal
>USP
Unless you're an assassin that wears grey suits and kidnaps taxi drivers you are in for a time my friend.

>>33099076
USP compact is like a Glock 19. Sorry I forgot to put compact there thought it was obvious.

>>33098871
ITS NOT A SOLDIER'S GUN
FULL LENGTH GUIDE ROD
TIGHT TOLERANCES

>>33099076
I wear a grey zip up hoodie and cargo pants and have no problem CCing my full sized USP45.

>Thread movie
putlocker.today/watch/EdBM2kGj-collateral

>>33099088
My bad I thought you meant full sized.
I have seriously considering overhauling my "wardrobe" to accommodate my USP 45 for carry though, but the bastard sticks out too much even under a hoodie.
Well at least for me, my blubbery love handles don't help.

>>33099030
And you fail to see that adding an incentive to your product helps beat out the competition? Maybe they want to get a sale from someone who isn't some kind of blindly loyal brandfag, or increase the value for noguns. If you buy a car and it has heated seats, does that mean it's a piece of shit because it came with something extra?

You've got to either be asspained that you said something without thinking, or a noguns window licker.

>>33099160
You obviously have either never handled an XD or you know fuck all about guns, because they are low quality shit.

>You pay more for heated seats
>Shit like the XD and TP9 sells with a free holster for a reason
>Nobody that knows what they are doing carries an XD

Actually, most XD owners I know are former 11b's

>>33099268
What the fuck is wrong with the tp9 I have handled that right next to a p320 and the tp9 elite had a better trigger and felt better.

>>33081632
If it fits the bill of what you're going for, absolutely worthwhile. Mine is my favorite handgun by a wide margin. They're built to retarded standards that they will never be required to meet in any kind of combat you'll find on planet Earth if that's a selling point.

>>33099268
It's cute how you can't refute my points, you just restate them.

>>33099452
It's cute how what your asking me to do is literally impossible for any gun and you know it. The XD is a poorly built weak framed handgun made with corner cutting and designed to be sold to people that don't know better and only see price and accessories. It's kind of similar to the high point in that regard but Springfield knows they have to at least pretend to give a fuck if they want to keep capitalizing on the name of an armory that has nothing to do with them.
>Interesting how most of what they do involves implied marketing

It is an inferior pistol made overseas out of low quality brittle polymer and sells on brand name, ignorance, and some freebies they throw you if you were dumb enough to buy it but smart enough to ask.

Do the XDs cases still have rails on them like they used to? They used to have 1903 rails on the case the pistol come in.

>>33099656
Can you prove any of that

I have literally never heard anyone say this.

>>33099716
For what purpose?

>>33099763
This is exactly why this is impossible. Any link I give you will be dismissed, any facts will meet the response of "PROOFS!!!"

I'm going to bed.

>>33099785
So that you can attach a sling and use the case for a laptop bag.
>That's straight from Springfield.

>>33099793
>Spew unfounded baseless bullshit
>Wow asking for facts I'm out !

The gun is pretty fucking beefy especially for a 9mm since it's the same as the 45. Very thick slide rails and internally its just a Glock clone.

I have had it apart right next to a Glock.

>>33099800
Upon further research you're right. That's neat I guess.

>>33099763
not him, but there are quite a few reports of the frames cracking, they also can fire OOB which is fucking terrifying

>>33099925
>They can fire oob

Wow haven't heard that nor the frame cracking

>>33099945
I have seen some people complain about it before, google has examples.

>FWIW I don't own one and I'm not speaking from experience

>>33099076
He might be a big guy.

>>33100725
Foy ((you))

So I have a question for the USP owners

>If it shoots so soft
>Why is there so much muzzle flip

>>33101224
Most of the weight is in the slide and the bore axis is high.
It's a strange sensation where the flip is fast and it does rise higher than a Glock or 1911 but the force pushing back is very little.
They're easier to track back on target than you might think.

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>>33081632
No.

>Ugly
>Heavy
>Bulky
>Overpriced
>Not even ambidextrous

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>>33101367
>calls USP ugly
>posts FNX

>>33101343
Huh, so can you double tap faster with a G17 or a USP9?

>>33101367
>Not even ambidextrous
You're kidding right?

>>33101367
>ugly
No
>heavy
No, you've probably never even held one.
>bulky
It's designed to be a full size service pistol.
>overpriced
No
>not even ambidextrous
It literally is.

>>33101393
Me personally? I can't shoot a Glock to save my ass, I hit high all day.
I'll say that any difference you'd see will be honestly due to skill, all things equal however I'm pretty sure a g17 will have faster split times.

>>33101367
>Ugly
You take that back you sonovabitch, she's beautiful!
>Heavy
No.
>Bulky
She prefers the term thick
>Overpriced
Bitch you posted an FN
>Not even ambidextrous
No.

>>33101421
>I hit high all day.
Do you use the profile of the sights or that bullshit ball in a cup to aim?

>>33101798
No, I use the sight profile.
I'm fine if I go slow but if I start doing hammered pairs or go too fast to adjusty sight picture I shoot high, it's because I'm not used to the grip on a Glock (or most striker fire pistols).
I recognize that's my fault and not the gun but I already have a USP that points better for me.

>>33081632

As a nofunz individual.

How does it work for guns, when a newer model comes out like the P30/P45?

Is it an overall improvement in quality, or is the USP better for some reason only gunfunz people

>>33101843
The p30/hk45/usp thing is kind of a unique circumstance
Usually a model will get updates to it like how the Glock has had successive generations, or Colt had the government model, then the series 70 and then series 80.
HK just kinda ditched the frame and slide they had with the USP and made new guns, the p30/hk45.
That said the USP couldn't really be discontinued as it still the service pistol of at the very least Germany.

>>33101878

I see, thanks for the info.

So in essence the USP is such a unique model in quality, that getting the p30 is just an improvement in ergonomics, as supposed to overall improvements.

>>33101917
Precisely.

>>33101823
Oh, yeah, for point shooting the grip angle and that hump at the heel causes me to hit high as well.

>>33087052
MAC, is that you? Are you abusing your pistols? 95% of users will never experience the type of stresses that warrant a "tougher" pistol. P30 is fine. VP9 is fine. Hell, even GLOCK is fine. If you want the cooler gun, get a USP. BUT don't try to justify it as a practical decision.

>>33103374
USPs aren't that expensive, it's just another gun in the 600-800 market, just like glock, cz, beretta.

Stop acting like it's a Sphinx or something.

>>33090051
Does USP ownership get me a Black gf?

>>33103828
No, it makes your life better, not worse.

>>33103862
Very rude, very shit taste, you are literally a metaphorical inch away from convincing me to buy CZ.

>>33103932
If you're so sensitive as to buy a different gun because someone made a joke that hurt your feelings I recommend you suck on the end of that said gun and pull the trigger. If you don't wanna enjoy the beauty of an HK USP then more for me man.

>>33104192
Just banter, lad