54r General

sounds like you don't really care for the vepr. sell it. to me.

>>33080164
Try to talk him down on the price. PSL's are cool but they aren't great shooters, thin barrels and weak trunnions are the downside. The upside is they look awesome and will relatively hold their value.

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>>33080164
For what it's worth, my psl is pretty dead on accurate with factory 188 surplus or LVE headstamped 150gr commercial stuff, regularly hanging slightly above/below 1 inch. I'd love to shoot it in a setting that removed all human error and see what it could do.
Bulgarian seems inconsistent, shoots great as a whole, but seems like there's always a wtf tier flyer or two out of 10. I mean, it's not super far off, but it kindof wrecks a solid group when you absolutely know your aim was true on that shot.
It shoots like total ass with romanian ammo.
Also, I've never taken any real interest in 54r veprs, the single stack magwell turns me off a lot by itself. And I like something that's legit military in looks so I'm holding out till m91s possibly make it over here. And I really need an svt, even if I'll probably just have it mostly as a decoration. I love how they look.
>>33080236
>Try to talk him down on the price
The problem with that is, he probably can easily get that with a little patience. And he probably knows it. PSL scopes alone have gone from 100-300.

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>>33080236
>thin barrels
They only get thinner after the gas block, pretty thick up to there. After that, it falls more into line with 762x39 guns.
>weak trunnions
Don't shoot heavy ball and you won't have an issue. I think faster bullets are more fun and crack rocks better. I've used some heavy with the mosin, not impressed. It's worse shooting ammo, only shines when I'm busting thick ice. It has a bit better reaction.

>>33080164
1400 is the standard for good condition
You're not getting Jewed

>>33080164
the 54r vepr is superior to the psl in every way. just save up for a real SVD at this point.

>>33080164
What the fuck? Why would you intentionally buy rifles gimped for a rimmed cartridge the size of 30-06 with the power of 308?
>PSL
PSL is garbage. If you want a battle rifle for steel case then 308, 30-06, and 8mm in an AR-10, PTR, or AK are your choices.

Vepr 308
M77 308
M76 8mm
M76 30-06
Vepr 30-06
AR-10 308
PTR 308

t. SVT and pre-1899 nugget among other 54R garbage owner

>>33080368
>save up for a real svd
>real svd
You clearly don't know how much those go for nowadays

Fuck me I want a psl..

>>33080400
probably for like 3 to 5k right? Theres no sense in getting it's cheap RPK based copy when you already have a superior RPK based copy in the vepr.

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>>33080381
.308 vepr masterrace reporting.

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>>33080433
The scope is a russian 8x42 if anyone is curious. I was able to get 2 moa out of it using tula steel cased. I can't wait to see what it does with some nicer ammo.

OP here

I know the price for the psl is reasonable but I'm not sure if it's worth it. The vepr is better built for sure. Barrel is thicker, trunnions are stronger, etc. The psl looks cool and has factory 10 round mags though. Realistically, I'd be fine with either rifle. I only target shoot. But my autism is flaring up and I want to collect everything

>>33080164
Post pics of the vepr.

>>33080422
More like $15-20k, they haven't been $3-5k since the late '80s, early '90s

>>33080455
Wow, hopefully they'll export dome if the sanctions go away.

Side question since 54R threads are the only ones left that I lurk -

Is making /k/ as boring as possible the mod's plan to kill /k/?

I used to post and contribute constantly, but now it's all just so....meh.

>>33080464
Very doubtful, Russia more than likely already sold what they had to other countries and the sandnig terrorists

>>33080464
It's not only sanctions, it's an agreement between the US and Russia that has to go away too.

Basically the likelihood of the US importing SVD's again from Russia is pretty much nil.

>>33080449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPc-i87jio8
This video does a good job explaining the differences you'd see at the range.

Just buy some fake svd furniture and some extra mags if looks is the big concern op. You'll save your money and can buy something more useful or at least something that'll give you a different range experience than one similar to the vepr.

>>33080164
>I don't have the money.
You aren't missing out anyways. I haven't used mine in years and I probably won't for years more. It's a decorative piece.

>>33080506

What about the psl don't you enjoy?

>>33080493
>>33080480
That sucks, hopefully we'll see some new production in the future like how Molot/Kvar is making brand new mosins for export.

>>33080493
But...but...Muh Trump! Muh MAGA!

>>33080512
Trigger is shitty, it can't fire heavy ball (which I almost never do anyways but I like the option) and it's just...eh. It bores me. Looks cool though. When I finally get my gun library finished it'll look real nice with some of my other stuff.

>>33080164
is there anything that would make you as happy for 1400 as an svt?
that's the only real question.

>>33080504

Thanks for the furniture swap idea friend. This helped a lot. I forgot about the pseudo svd furniture and that solves most of my issue. The larger mags would be cool but have no real bearing. I'm going to grab my ak74 or vz58 if shtf.

Thanks for making me feel better

>>33080564
You're welcome friendo.

>>33080553

I paid 1400 for the svt about 6 weeks ago. It was a no brainer. I went to the bank, pulled the cash, and bought it without a second thought. Very nice to shoot

Deliberation over the psl should be a red flag

As a side note, I shot a real dragunov at my local range a few months ago. It was cool, but the only major difference was the cheek weld was much better. Not paying 5k more for a good cheek weld

>>33080513
They aren't making new nuggets, just refurbishing and rechambering surplus ones in 7.62 nato

>>33080164

Are VEPR 54r flat-backs selling for 1400$?

Does anyone reload for 54r? I got an m39 and want to see how much accuracy i can sqeeze out of it

>>33080630
Thats a pretty neat concept desu phampai. Had I not found a nice 7.62 Israeli Mauser at a gunshow last month I would probably buy one.

>>33080455
>checked gunbroker
How sad, yet another dream crushed by gun hoarding faggots.

>>33080670
I do but not for accuracy.

>>33080674
How many do you think are available in the first place?

>>33080674
It's not so much hoarding, it's the fact that not very many were imported to begin with.

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>the butthurt in threads when eurofags who own both psl/svd say that they shoot practically identically
>>33080433
>.308 vepr masterrace
When it comes to veprs, 308 is objectively master race.
If molot released a doublestack 54r model, that'd even it right up for sporters. But I'd still want a psl/m91 infinitely more because they're so much cooler.
>>33080477
Thread hiding my good man, learn to use it. It really turns /k/ into a tolerable place. Pic related.
I don't like that generals(especially qtddtot, fuck that) have overridden specific question threads, so now half of /k/ is bullshit since it's all so condensed. And those questions don't get the attention, visibility, and debate they deserve.

Does anyone here have experience with replacement stocks for the VEPR?

I was looking at atlantic firearm's stock set. $269 for forearm and stock with adjustable cheek riser. seems like a great deal, but they say fitting may be required.

>>33080670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBk8bCvEa-s

That might be of some use to you.

>>33080989
sounds interesting. Care to post a link?

>>33080164
The psl is inferior in every way except mag capacity. There is literally no other reason to buy it.

>>33081044
>There is literally no other reason to buy it.
Unless you want a legit military gun you can pop boners over when you watch middle east war films, or put a lot of value on looks.

>>33081103
>or put a lot of value on looks.
Even then there are stock sets that give the VEPR the same look.

>>33081174
>same look.
If you're legally blind, or didn't value authenticity much to begin with.
I find that vepr replacement stocks are a far cry from looking like anything the owner has paid hundreds to imitate(poorly).

>>33081191
Salty psl owner spotted. Even with the extra stock set, the vepr is hundreds cheaper and performs better.

>>33081286
Not salty, looks are just very important to me. I don't like compromise, unless it's actually convincing.
And while I like the vepr in it's sporter stock, I find the svd stock replacements equally cringy and pathetic if you're chasing the svd look on a gun that'll never look remotely like it, just as pathetic people who buy a psl to "chase" the svd.

>>33081286
I'd say the MOA is about the same and the PSL has double stack mags, but otherwise its superior in every way. Like having a tougher build that won't crack with heavy ammo, multiple barrle length options, high build quality and ease acces to replacement parts if anything breaks, similarity to the ak platform so its easy to figure out, currently produced, about 500 cheaper, and a decent aftermarket letting you tac out or keep it classy,

>>33081327
You're sacrificing a significant amount of money and versatility (hardball receiver crack meme) for looks anon. I'd say its more than a compromise.

>>33081342
There is no compromise if you want legit military guns.
It either is, or isn't.
I'm not interested in sporters if there's other legit options. Paying a few hundred more is a tiny pittance vs buying something I don't really want deep down inside. I'm going to have it my whole life, it's not something I'll compromise on.

>>33081328
>I'd say the MOA is about the same
Several tests have shown the vepr to me noticeably more accurate on average. I dont have them but im sure some anon does. They were commonly posted in 54r generals a while back.

>>33080164
>did he cut bolt
So file it you fuckin mong. It took me like 10 minutes, works perfect.

>>33081582
Fuckin auto correct
>dish cut bolt*

>>33081598

I've ruled that out as an option. I'm not a gunsmith and there are no replacements available

>>33081893
It's really easy, you could also talk to CSSPEC who had a gunsmith that will do it for you.

It's really easy though dude. Look through mag well to see what area of the third lug engages, file opposite side of lug, testing as you go, until it is just enough to clear.

>>33081925

I was in extensive communication with csspecs throughout the development process and following the release of the mags. I bought 8 of them, and returned them last week.

It sucks but at least I still have a functioning gun. If I screw up filing the bolt or it gets lost in the mail, I'm fucked. I was disappointed but wanted to play it safe.

>>33080164
Just stop being a faggot and file your bolt down like a real man.

I did mine in a half hour and the CS specs mags are amazing compared to the shitty stock ones because Slavs can't into [non-bakelite] plastics.

>>33082223
Jesus dude, it is so simple.... stop being a pussy and fucking file your shit. It is explained in detail how to do it on AK files. Like it isn't possible to fuckup, it is THAT easy and THAT detailed on the files.

Can you even function a firearm with that level of incompetence. Holy shit fucking KYS
This guy gets it
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>>33082223
>>33081925
>>33081893
>>33082240
>>33082296

Pic very related.

>>33081286
the faux SVD stock sets for Veprs aren't convincing at all, I'd rather just have the stock furniture

>>33082296

Mags are gone now either way. Waiting for the refund to come through.

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>>33080164
modify your bolt and it will work fine with 3rd party extendos

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>>33082337
Pic also related:

As you can see, even when the bolt is completely locked in, the part that you file off is completely non-structural, as in: it is never and will never be under any structural loads other than striking rounds if you don't file it enough.

The only reason why the metal is there in the first place is because Russians are lazy machinists who don't give a shit about minor weight savings like that.

I did mine in 30 minutes with $20 worth of different files from Ace Hardware and a nice coat of Ballistol to keep everything lubed and cool.

There's no heat you'll generate from hand filing that even comes close to the heat the bolt will get to from a day at the range. Fuck, you can't even induce a crack from filing.

There's no reason not to un-cuck your Vepr. Be good to it. The CS Specs mags are ABSOLUTELY worth it.

>>33082347
The stock stock is amazing compared to the POS SVD lookalike furniture.

Don't bubba your Vepr just to make it look like something it isn't and will never be. The stock wood is miles better than the SVD crap anyways.

Flash hiders are totes cool tho.

>>33080164
>>>33080513
>They aren't making new nuggets, just refurbishing and rechambering surplus ones in 7.62 nato


I don't know where you got that info from but you're completely wrong. They're still in 54r. It would be super difficult to convert it to a rimless cartridge since youd have to change out enough parts to make a brand ne one a better idea. http://www.molot-usa.com/product_info.php/cPath/28/products_id/62

Brand new or not $900 msrp for a mosin is ridiculous.

>>33082356

lol what a fag

>>33082356
Damn what a cuck
At least do the mod so you can use the 15rd mags when they come out. Fuck dude

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>PSL
> $1,400
>remember that I was on /k/ when they were still $600 new
>didn't get one
>try not to cry
>cry a lot

>>33080634
Not sure a slant cut will get you $8-900 and there's a $40 part to fill in the gap so you can use normal ak/rpk furniture.

>>33082418

I live in MD so I can't into online standard capacity magazine orders. I buy all my mags at the nation's gun show in Virginia.

>>33082427
Shit I bought mine for 1k over 6 years ago.

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Am I the only one with a Russian Contract winchester?

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>>33082554

>>33082834
...?

>>33082554
Yes, I think so...

You dirty faggit
>yes I'm jelly

>>33081582
>>33081598
>>33081893
>>33081925
What do you guys mean by cutting/filing the bolt? Is that supposed to change how the gun functions?

>>33082847
It's time for that sad rifle to make its way to the landfill

>>33082933
In late 2014(I think Nov) Molot changed the profile on the third lug of the x54r bolt. Likely to stop it from peeling the neck of cases.
Originally it had a chamfer cut on one side, the change to the third lug is a dish cut to give it more clearance and they dropped the chamfer. With the new CSSPEC magazines(and I believe the SGM mags too) there is now a corner where the chamfer was. The corner catches the top round in the magazine and jams it into the trunion, jaming the bolt as well so it either completely jams the action or destroys that round and jams when going to chamber the destroyed round.
The fix is simply hand filing the chamfer back where it was. It's super easy and you just go a little at a time and using dummy rounds hand cycle until it clears and functions correctly
See pics
>>33082391
>>33082337

>>33083162
Sorry, with the new lug profile there is now a corner. Which with the new CSSPEC mags catches the top round etc etc refer to my last

it works fine with the feed angle of the 5rd OEM mags, but to increase to 10 and 15 they had to change the feed angle or the rounds nose dive at about 7rds with the OEM mag feed angle. So the round sits a little higher and gets caught by the third lug without the chamfer

>>33083229
thats pretty interesting, all the more reason im glad i chose a .308 one.

>>33082964
Oh, I see.

Yo ho yo ho, near the hooks, Etc.
>>33082907
Man you need to get one. I can now understand why people love old Winchesters.

>>33083242
I went with x54r because i have several Mosins and cartridge commonality. I just filed my bolt, took me like 10-20 minutes I think and CSSPEC mag works fine. Waiting on the 15s now. Plus, I intend to get a PSL one of these days because I want one, so more commonality there too.

If you're hurting down .308 VEPR mags, CSSPEC makes 20 round mags for it, a little pricey but worth it for me on the x54r. Just heard .308 20rd mags for VEPR are hard to find, correct me if I am wrong, or thank me if it helps you lol

>>33083277
Yes I do need one.... badly... wanna come hangout and let me shoot yours? You can shoot my 1873 Trapdoor

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>>33080164

Should I get this?
http://www.waffenschumacher.com/article_976_61_Tigr05.htm

>>33082405
I dont have any aftermarket furniture on my VEPR. I was just saying the option is there.

>>33083322
If I go to summer Nuggetfest I'm absolutely gonna bring it. Just no corrosive ammo. I'm not taking this thing apart to clean it if I don't have to.

>>33080164
>$1,400 for a PSL

I regret ever selling the one I got for $650.

The PSLs can only run 149 grain or lighter loads otherwise you can damage the receiver.

I had a PSL and ended up selling it because I fell out of love with it.

The gun was incredibly accurate, I was getting 1.5" groups at 100 yards using Czech 148 grain surplus and a Russian PSO-1 scope.

Having only one functioning magazine and one that only cycled if I held onto the mag and held it up into the receiver, got quite old.
Which brings up another issue, magazines were made for the gun and unless it's serial matched to it, it more than likely will not work.

So there's your problem with the Vepr again.

>>33080455
What the fuck are you smoking? I looked and I saw a single SVD copy for a little over 10k. Most are around 5-8k.

>>33083918
An actual SVD or a Tigr/NDM?

>>33083322
Eh I have 2 20 rounder promags that came with the rifle and they have given me a few jams. personally i think the 20 rounders just add more weight that i don't need and I think it looks best with the 10 round magazine.

>>33083757
The psl mags are serial matched? Thats retarded from both a civilian ownership and a military standpoint. Why would anyone design a gun like that?

>>33083757
>unless it's serial matched to it, it more than likely will not work
False, but there's a tiny chance.

>>33084408
he's a rare case, normally any mag you throw in will work

>>33084391
Ah, well if it were me, I wouldn't replace those two with CSSPEC mags just because they are steel, I'm assuming the promags are polymer? In any case take a look they are nice steel mags, they also have 10 round mags.
>>33083682
Where is summer nuggetfest? We are having a meet here in NM in April. Naw I don't shoot much corrosive. I have a crate but with how prices just keep going up I haven't opened either of the cans.

>>33084609
The promags are steel. I have two promag steel 20 rounders 1 factory 5 rounder and 1 factory 10 rounder. the 1 rounder is for the range and the 5 rounder is for hunting.

>>33084408
>>33083757
I have 3 psl mags, none of which are serialized to my gun. All work fine.
I get the impression that you're pretty lucky if you get matching mags, but I could be wrong.

>>33083918
Sounds like it's a tigr or a chink copy at those prices

>>33084712
Frankly, I'd buy a chink copy all day to save a few grand.
Sporter config tigrs are ugly as fuck IMO, and the chinese copies at least look like the real deal which is worth a lot more to me.
Either way, any svd is horribly overpriced considering it's a pretty average 54r semi auto, other than artificial rarity from import bans.

>>33084609
>Where is summer nuggetfest?
PA I think this year. I know they try to do different locations, which is why the last one fucked up so hard.

>>33084760
Thats true. it has amazing AESTHETICS to me but it seems to be little more than an interesting short stroke dmr in terms of performance.

>>33084825
Yeah, and that sucks in doubt I'll be able to make it to PA this time around

>>33080552
Does it use a standard AK trigger?

>>33084895
More or less I think. I'll be honest, I havent even looked after the first time I shot it, which was....9 years ago.

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>>33084427
The only working mag for my PSL was the one that serial matched my gun, the one that didn't work wasn't serial matched.
I checked online and there were quite a few forums where they said that was the case.

What kind of range can you get out of 7.62x54R anyway?

>>33085356

1km.

>>33085356
3,200 arshini

>>33080538
Can't have everything, I suppose.

>>33082427
Any time you can get on something that's real or as close to real military surplus that the civilian market will see, jump on it.