Currently weighing my options, which one should I pick up and

For SHTF you want parts commonality and the MR556 does not deliver on that.

You want a high end direct impingement AR-15 for SHTF in the United States, period.

>>33076392
Which one should I pick up as a SHTF/regular shooter rifle*

>>33076392
>MR556
barrel isn't chrome lined. If you want durability, get the SCAR. If you want commonality, get a mil spec DD instead of the fake 416.

>>33076403
>parts commonality
Where do you plan on finding parts if shit hits the fan? Nobody will be selling and everybody will be hoarding.

>>33076423
ARs will be everywhere regardless, your friends and potential allies will also be using ARs.

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>>33076403
SCAR parts don't break

>>33076419

this

>>33076442
prove that assertion.

>>33076419
>barrel isn't chrome lined
This is a meme, buy a spare barrel if you think you'll blow through 15k rounds that quick.

>get mil spec DD
HK's "fake 416" out preforms DD rifles in every area, what are you talking about?

>>33076459
>HK's "fake 416" out preforms DD rifles in every area
prove that assertion

>>33076423
Society isn't going to devolve into "kill everybody on sight." People will still sell and trade, even if the prices are insane. But I'd rather pay a premium for parts that I can find than be sol.

>>33076456
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/archive/index.php/t-1098622.html

>>33076392
>3 grand rifles
Buy 4 WASR 10s, 4 chicom type 81 chest rigs, and a boatload of mags/ammo. There, you're set up for SHTF for both you AND your family/friends, at the same price as one rifle for just you.

>>33076503
I want you
>why buy one excellent gun when you can buy x shit ones
retards to fuck off and die

>>33076392
CZ 805 Bren or wait for the 806 in a couple years.

>>33076392
SCAR

Piston ARs are stupid as fuck.

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>>33076503

>>33076530
>2moa rifle
>Plauged by design issues
>805 isnt even the latest revision
>Almost no aftermarket

>>33076419
>DD
>Not recommending LMT
pleb.

>>33076403
>>33076419
If you want commonality and legos, get a cheat M&P. You'll be grabbing M&P, Colt, and Armalite parts more than anything else anyway, you won't find DD parts on the market when SHTF. Just cheap AR parts.
>>33076392
LE6920 or
>>33076503
with lots of spare parts :^)

>>33076459
>This is a meme
No, it's not, and I bet I could shoot out the MR556's barrel in 7500 rounds at the most.

>>33076523
Your spacing makes it read a little gay there, bud.

>>33076523
He specifically mentioned SHTF. For SHTF, you want a bunch of people with guns, not one for yourself. Get some other rifle then, but for SHTF you want to load up on a boatload of rifles and parts. If not AKs, then SKS or cheaper ARs that work just as well.

>>33076556
I don't care about the orientation of my post faggot

>>33076564
>SKS
>for SHTF
holy shit kill yourself

>>33076577
This, SKS is not a SHTF gun. Although it was used in war for decades and proved reliable. If you want a true SHTF gun, get a fudd bolt action savage in 30-06. Get two, and replacement bolts. The less shit that can break on a weapon, the better for SHTF it will be.

>>33076544
>you won't find DD parts on the market when SHTF.
it's called mil-spec, you fucking moron. The only thing proprietary is the handguard attachment system, and if that breaks and you can't find a milspec barrel nut and handguard, you're gonna need a new rifle regardless of the manufacturer.

Seriously, do you even own an AR?

>>33076543
>>Plauged by design issues

elaborate

>>33076599
Probably plagued by not having a bolt release.

>>33076469
he can't. He doesn't own either. I owned both, at the same time, along with a SCAR16, with about 3000 rounds through each. I regret buying the MR556. It was heavy as shit, and although accurate, not really as fast as the other two guns in matches. I gave my MR556 away as a present to my old dudebro college roommate as a housewarming gift.

Oh, good luck finding an MR556 barrel assembly.

>>33076595
Commonality means parts that break during regular operation, meaning bolts, springs, barrels, etc. Commonality doesn't mean "hurr I can mount shit on my proprietary handguard attachment SYSTEM"... If SHTF, you will be replacing a shitload on your rifle over the years, and you'll end up with legoland mix and matched colt/armalite/m&p rifles. So, if you want a SHTF gun, get a fucking le6920 and go home.

>>33076652
Wow can we be roommates?

>>33076664
>get a fucking AR6720 and go home.

>>33076544
>>Not recommending LMT
you never handled an MRP before? I have. It's heavy as shit. Oh wait, you never touched one. Oh wait, you didn't even know the wear parts on the good LMTs are all FUCKING PROPRIETARY.

Take your fucking shitposting to /b/.

>>33076652
>I owned both
>I gave my MR556 away as a present to my old dudebro college roommate as a housewarming gift.
Yeahhh, no, no you didn't. The MR556 is a $2,600 rifle last I checked. You don't give a $2,600 rifle away to an "old dudebro college roommate" as a housewarming gift. Nice try though.

>>33076599
The czechs tried to make a SCAR clone solely on CAD, then issue it without tons of testing like FN did. There were multiple, multiple revisions. Even the released for sale models 805, 805 mod 1, 805 mod 2, 806, 807

Its a wannabe rifle that cant.

>>33076683
there are more wear parts than bolt carriers and barrels.

>>33076664
>Commonality means parts that break during regular operation, meaning bolts, springs, barrels, etc.
Do you have dyslexia, autism, or just acute stupidity? Read what a fucking wrote again.

Fuck you're dumb.

Wait, I guess you don't really understand what mil spec means, do you? YOU DON'T EVEN FUCKING OWN AN AR.

>>33076690
They are like $3250-3500 now

>>33076702
yes, like the extractor. Wanna tell me if a lobster tail extractor is mil spec? Wanna tell me who else uses one besides KAC?

>>33076728
Not him, but LMT and LWRCI. Not that those brand but more importantly those rifles are even common anyway.

>>33076708
I think you're missing the point. The point was, why get an extremely expensive match grade DD AR for SHTF if you are going to be changing out parts for cheaper options as they wear and break over time, including the barrel and receiver? Over a period of 10 years of SHTF, you'll end up having a rifle with all different parts than what you started with, so why not just get a Colt and play legos with that instead of blowing 2 grand on an overpriced rifle?

Also, I own an M&P 15-22, so yes I own an AR you fuckwit. Everyone owns an AR. Just because your dad bought you one for your 14th birthday doesn't make you special. Please go back to /v/.

Is it one loud fag or a plurality of fags who dont have spare parts for their rifles on hand?

A low-mid grade AR will serve you just as well, honestly. Realistically you aren't going to see yourself firing tens of thousands of rounds in anger and shearing bolt lugs and crap. And if it does get that bad, your survival will more depend on you and your ability to persevere and improvise than the brand name on your rifle, that you may or may not lose to circumstance anyway. Just get what makes you happy.

>>33076543

Also

>8.5 pound 16" carbine

>>33076767
Thats not an AR

>>33076767
>I own an M&P 15-22

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHA

You made a good argument but shit you should've stopped there

>>33076774
It weights 8.5lbs?
czechnology everyone

>>33076691
Only things to really change functionally were the bolt release and ergos. Core rifle and mechanics all seem to be the same. Durability seems better than the scar at launch. And considering it's $1k + less expensive I think it's minor flaws can be over looked.

>>33076788

That's what happens when you spec the receiver dimensions for injection molded plastic and then end up milling it out of aluminum.

>>33076756
>LMT
that's what originated the discussion
>LWRC
didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

>>33076812
>more reliable than a SCAR
Id love to see some actual data on that

Not in the same ballpark of accuracy, much heavier, miniscule aftermarket, etc can be too much to overlook.

>>33076770
This. You can't rely on getting spare anything during SHTF, I'd imagine even food if it got bad enough. You rely on your own stockpile and bunkering down in your home. I bought a Wasr10 and immediately got a spare parts kit for it as well. It's even easier with an AR, buy buy a bunch of parts kids as backup. That's what my neighbor did.

>>33076843
It's only on certain ones. I think the DI ones but not the short stroke one. Chris Bartocci made a good video on the piston M6 a while ago that covered it in good detail.

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>>33076690
Yeahhhh, I did.

I gave away a fucking case of Cristal for another dudebro's wedding.

Don't use your paltry income as a barometer for my purchasing power.

>>33076767
Why? because OP is choosing between two 2k+ guns, so I thought I would stay above the poverty league. Let's be honest here, if SHTF, what you paid for the original rifle does not matter.

>>33076767
>Also, I own an M&P 15-22, so yes I own an AR you fuckwit. Everyone owns an AR. Just because your dad bought you one for your 14th birthday doesn't make you special. Please go back to /v/.
oh shit nigga, I didn't even read THIS PART.

LOLOLOL are you seriously going to tell me to fuck off when you own a fucking 22cal M and Poor? YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT EVEN A FUCKING AR, RIGHT? LIKE FOR REAL, ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? HOLY SHIT.

>>33076673
no bitch. college is over. And I had no roommates in grad school.

>>33076845
>Id love to see some actual data on that
Nice job changing my words to get a different meaning. Also, broken stocks.

>accuracy
Yeah after you get a different trigger, put a scope on it, and vice it to a bench.

>weight
Sure if it matters to you.

>aftermarket
Trigger is better than the scar out of the box. Rails will fit all the same crap. Stock is the only real thing.

>>33077050
You are suffering from some serious retardation.

>>33077050
>Yeah after you get a different trigger, put a scope on it, and vice it to a bench.
wow
life isn't a video game, kid
accuracy in this context, and in the context of inherent accuracy of a certain design is always under those circumstances, the best possible accuracy the rifle is capable of.

essentially, if both are bolted to a bench, one is still more accurate than the other.

>>33077050

Show me a picture of a broken SCAR stock. No seriously, I bet you literally can't even.

>>33077126
He's furiously working the google homepage right now.

>>33076915
I like you

>>33076459
You understand the point of chrome lining is for corrosion resistance, right?

>>33077013
he just wants to suck your dick, rich anon. c'mon

>>33077232
Or for an increased barrel life

>>33077242
No homo, plz.

>>33076403
>For SHTF you want parts commonality
Or just spare parts. Don't know why everyone insists on making it some Fallout tier scrap gathering shit. If your rifle is so FUBAR you need to replace everything just take a gun from one of the many corpses you made breaking it so badly.

>>33077256
That is correct.

Let me rephrase. The reason why a chrome lined barrel is valued for a shtf gun is mostly due to its corrosion resistance.

>>33077283
When anons talk about needing spare parts like they are going to have a million rounds of ammo, and somehow they can only have one type of rifle in this dreamland apocalypse, barrel life can be a thing.

>>33077232
>You understand the point of chrome lining is for corrosion resistance, right?
Not really, no. It is for wear resistance. The corrosion resistance is a secondary purpose.

>>33077409
if you're getting into firefights often in a SHTF situation, you probably won't live for very long.

>>33076915
>that handwriting
confirmed for medical field

>>33076392
>hey guys which should I get, this SCAR or MR556?
>divulge into rampant shitposting about milspec, DD, CZ, AR15s, and whether or not people own AR15s
>not a single attempt to answer the question

Never change /k/

>>33078111
I work in tech. Med school was too gay for me.

>>33078281
you clearly have literacy issues.

I recommend the GED prep books.

And the word you're looking for is "devolve".

>>33076392

mr556

For the SCAR's base price you can get a GUCCI AR, so it really comes down to the price point and how much you prefer Real Fuckin' NATO over Five-Five-Six

>>33078320
Auto correct exists you know...

>>33078694
Maybe you should enable it then.

>>33078533
MR556 is more expensive than a SCAR

>>33078533
In OPs case he's comparing 16s to MR556, not real nato SCAR (which is best SCAR)

>>33076392
The HK isn't even more reliable than some $600 budget AR. This isn't a video game

>>33080156
Why do poorfags think their opinion matters?

>>33080156
>just as good
>just as good!
>JUST AS GOOD!

>>33076392
I prefer the Mr556, but thats because I had the Hk416 as a conscript, and have the MR223 currently, since H&K more or less have monopoly in Norway when it comes to rifles, due to their military contract. Just wish they would allow 11" or even 14,5" versions here ;_;

>>33080280
You know when was the last time a conscript's opinion mattered? Never.

>>33080293
Ooooohhh fuck bro xD got me!! Derp!

>>33080323
Out of 10, how REKT were u? Be real bro.

>>33080334
Lit/10 :cryingemoji: :cryingemoji: :100:

>>33077232
I don't shoot corrosive ammo.

>>33083025
Corrosion doesn't just mean corrosive ammo.
Do you like a long barrel life?

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>>33076767

There is no way anyone in the world is this stupid, r-right guys?

To OP's question: pic related

>>33083025
Soooo, you know what rust is, right? What about oxidation?

>>33083328
>Left side CH
>Scope mount knucks on left side
He must not rip and run

What optic is that?

Found a place here selling SCAR 17S for quite a bit under MSRP, emailed them about it and there is a 6 month (possibly 6+) wait for them right now...at least through that dealer.

>>33076456
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PApRcRE-ft8

>>33084714
Can get one for $2900 now
https://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/fnh/scar-17s-rifle-762-16in-dark-earth/

>>33076423
and if the other people are wrong, dead bodies and their arsenals.

>>33085051

>Out of Stock

...and it's gone.

>>33085096
Such is life trying to get a SCAR
In two weeks im getting a big bonus check, going to be scouring for a good deal.

>>33085215
2700 or bust.

>>33086515
I'll go higher, I might not be happy about it

>>33085051
Here's where I was going: http://www.quanticotactical.com/asp/itemDetail.asp?dispItemNum=4687&type=M&CMN=FN%20LE/Military&CMNum=246&CMSNum=1072&CMSN=SCAR%AE%20Series%20Rifles

I'd sign up but I'm up for orders right now and won't find out until March. Decent chance I'll go overseas, in which case buying one beforehand would suck.

Patriot Ordence Factory makes better ARs for the price

>>33089656
Good guy pricing will get that low, I ETSed awhile ago. I get window licker pricing now.

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>>33076392
Neither one is exceptionally accurate (both shoot about 1.5 MOA with match ammo) and neither is exceptionally reliable relative to other short stroke gas piston "sealed" action rifles.

Don't fall for the memes. If you want a piston gun, look into the market and consider which most closely match your priorities.

I was thinking about the same kind of thing last year and was trying to decide between a POF, an Adams Arms, a MCX, an ACR, a SCAR, a Ruger SR556, a VZ 58, and an AK variant.

Overall I went with the SR556 because it demonstrates accuracy superior to the others despite coming in at a lower price point, has a quick adjust gas system, has a barrel system which has return to zero on par with the MCX but is much faster (SCAR and ACR usually show a 1.5 MOA shift) as well as caliber conversion kits that actually exist (if only to 300AAC) unlike the MCX and ACR. The only significant feature it lacked relative to the competition was a "fire while folded" stock system but that was not a priority for the role I intended it to fill. With the left over cash I topped it with an aimpoint and a couple thousands of rounds of ammo. One minor disappointment was the rail to receiver fit (not perfectly monolithic) but given I'm not using a forward mounted IR image enhancer that's little more than a cosmetic bother.

TL;DR, unless you really like memes, don't buy a name. Buy a feature set.

>>33076403
*leans into mic*

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>>33091093
>He bought a piston AR

>>33091093
You're not very bright, are you?

>>33091558
He thinks a SCAR is doing 1.5moa with match ammo...

>>33091604
he also considered an adams arms. I mean com'on.

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>>33093536
They are still in business?

>>33093622
Interestingly, syrac ordinance is not. That's the company started by AA's founder after he left.

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There is no way that someone legitimately was considering Adams arms or a SCAR at the same time

>>33076691
its a reverse engineered AR180 in SCAR knockoff airshit plastic.

its century arms built by heroin addicted orangutangs bad.

>>33093962
Well it's czech

Isn't brugger under thomet coming out with something?

>>33095142
^und

>>33095142
APC308, I'll probably get one for giggles, but they're 3k MSRP so it's not like it's a cheaper option..

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>>33095230
Somehow it looks worse than the bren

>>33085000
>>33076486
/thread

>>33095248
I'm just a collector with more disposable income than sense.

>>33095457
I guess I can see the charm of what looks like an overgrown UMP

>>33096956
I'm probably gonna get the APC556 and the 308. My APC9 need its parents for a complete family.

>>33085000
>seeing npap stocks fuck up within days
What the fuck? Shit.