Army Races To Rebuild Short-Range Air Defense: New Lasers, Vehicles,

Air superiority is a meme. Chinese doctrine is correct now America is racing to catch up to superior Chinese Research and Development.

>>33076328
I get the distinct feeling you didn't even read the article.

>>33076328
Sealand Battle was here.

A2/AD is for gays

>>33076291
i feel like all this is cos of the scare mongering for the 3rd world war against nukes

so they're building a tunguska?
Im sure Russia will scramble to match that capability

>>33076328
2/10 bait. /k/ needs flags and ID's so we can make fun of you chinese fags until your country shuts the interwebs off again

>There’s a real sense of urgency
>Within 12 months we have got to get capability back
God dammit who are we invading now? Sounds like someone competent this time.

>>33077288

it's basically "uh, oh shit, shitty cheap drones with grenades are actually a thing now"

>>33076733
i would give my hate that none off those alleged chinese or russian posters are actually chinese or russians and most likely murican

also vpn

>>33077330
>it's basically "uh, oh shit, shitty cheap drones with grenades are actually a thing now"

Not *just* that. It'd be nice if we could defend our Patriot batteries in-depth with short-range systems designed to shoot down incoming PGMs, like China and Russia do.

There's no reason not to invest in it, since we have most of the tech already:

>C-RAM is just a Phalanx gun on a trailer.
>SeaRAM is just a Phalanx radar/controller on top of a RAM box launcher.
>Put SeaRAM on the C-RAM trailer...?

Viola, a mobile point-defense SAM literally designed to kill low-flying missiles/bombs. The best part is that, when it comes to weapons designed to defeat Integrated Air Defense Systems, neither China nor Russia have nearly as much in the way of weaponry to work with. They've got no ARM remotely comparable to the HARM, especially the latest E variant, nor do they have air-launched decoys like ITALD, disposable jammers like MALD, airborne jamming platforms made in this fucking decade, etc, etc, etc.

So investing in our OWN IADS isn't a bad idea.

About fucking time. Did DoD just figure the Air Force and just magically work with a 100 percent sucess rate because we took out idiot arabs and serbcucks with ease?

>>33077330
Not just that; smart artillery rounds/advanced warheads are becoming a thing now. Note the Ukrainian brigade that got wiped out by a single Russian fire mission. That sort of capability is going to be exported widely, and soon.

Realistically, I suspect that laser cannons are the only way to handle barrage fire; guided interceptors are just too large and too expensive to be really useful at the operational level.

>>33077380
Look up MML. It's a box of ATGMs/light SAMs on a medium-sized truck.

>>33077482
That had less to do with smart rounds and more to do with their camp being hit by cross border Grad fire.

>>33077288
>Ass Carter gets the boot
>Mad Dog comes in
Really makes you think...

>>33077380
C-RAM is shit.

It takes too long to reload, you're going to fire your entire load against a single drone. And it's a cheap drone at that.

>>33078209

My point is to put a SeaRAM (Rolling Airframe Missile launcher, using the R2D2-lookin targeting radar of the Phalanx on top of it) on the truck that currently carries the Centurion C-RAM (Counter-Rocket and Mortar) Phalanx gun.

>>33077495
>Look up MML. It's a box of ATGMs/light SAMs on a medium-sized truck.

Breddy kewl too. Someone posted a picture of it firing an AIM-9 upthead. MIM-48 RETURNS

>>33076328
50 cents has been deposited into your account

>>33077994
>>33077482
will ww3 go back to being western front trench style stalemate?
all these fancy artillery shells and fcs will rek any infantry that arent dug down in a trench

>>33076291
What's this? Next you'll be telling us the US military wants to reintroduce radio discipline and is going to start camouflaging its vehicles and equipment properly.

>>33076687
No, it has nothing to do with nukes. It has to do with the fact that drones are so cheap that even the goat fuckers have them now. Sure you can shoot them down with a stinger, but there needs to be a cheaper alternative.

>>33078314
>Next you'll be telling us the US military wants to reintroduce radio discipline and is going to start camouflaging its vehicles and equipment properly.

It turns out that America's penchant for radio chatter is a reason they are so good at fighting formal armies.

Communication is key.

>>33078462
It's not why and excess radio chatter is just a way for enemy SIGINT to find out where you are.

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>>33076291
>the celebrated Patriot
I wonder if the dude typing this could maintain a serious face.

>>33077380
>They've got no ARM remotely comparable to the HARM, especially the latest E variant

Really?

I say just buy off the shelf Israeli stuff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPYDER

It's gotta be cheaper and better than whatever shit US suppliers can make in that time.

RIP ADATS

>>33078282
50 cents fucking hell, thats way more I get for hillary shilling and putin shilling. Where do I sign up for china shilling?

Lasers on everything is the way to go
C-RAM, anti-air, counter ATGM's, etc

It's perfect

>>33078310
I guarantee it.

>guns more powerful than armour
Everyone sits in a trench until someone runs out of men or money.
>armour more powerful than guns
DRIVE ME CLOSER, I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD!

That's how it's always been and always will be.

The growth in firepower potency over the past 70 years has been exponential, but our ability to keep soldiers alive remains limited to "kill their guns before their guns kill ours."

Infantry have always been plodding cannon fodder. If you want to see how mobile a war will be you want to look at the survivability of the cavalry. Modern tanks are impressive but I don't think there are any that are really up to the challenge of pressing a modern army's well-prepared defences.

>>33078477
It's literally 2017
theres no reason why you should be using unencrypted communications

>>33077380
>>33078209
>>33078262
This will be done by lasers in the near future
Also means you don't need an expensive radar

>>33079103
He is talking about being able to locate transmitters
>>33079106
Which will get early warning information and be targeted by radar.

>>33079103
He is talking about being able to locate transmitters
>>33079106
Which will get early warning information and be targeted by radar.

>>33076291
>Humvee-mounted version called Avenger.

Those have all but been retired at this point.

>>33079153
The Army plans to deploy the Avenger system to Europe to fill the critical SHORAD gap in 2018.

>>33076291
About fucking time. This seems to be a problem around the whole west/nato. Praktically all anti-air has been in the forms of either jets (meaning you get to have some sort of air-superiority) or on ships (you have to be on the ocean).

With the fuck-ton of land based AA that Russia and others are sporting this assumption about western jets always being there to keep enemy planes out could be very challenged in a war with a competent advesary.

>>33079259
Those countries build land based AA because they can't fight in the air... The point of SHORAD is that they will shoot down drones or function as C-RAM

With all the light vehicles and logistics heavy forces the west favors, you need C-RAM to keep your shit alive.

>>33076730
Does Tunguska CIWS?

>>33079014
We had ADATS. We could have MMEV. We end up with some NASAMS and MML.
All those motherfucking missile programmes...

>>33079083
Unless its raining. Or foggy. Or smokey.

>>33077495
>>33078270
Now if only the Sidewinder does a little ground targeting for shits and giigles. Join the family with ADATS, Starstreak and Standard.

>>33076733
Thought they shut off VPN.
A surprisingly significant proportion by common standards of overseas PRC nationals is no better than their Mainland counterparts, more so than you think.

>>33079437
they are always racially tied to their homeland in a way that would be illegal in the west

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>>33076291

We can rebuild her. We have the technology. Better, faster, stronger than before.

>>33079504
This time it will complete its mission to take out high ranking memebers of the MIC

godspeed patriot

>>33076291
Bullshit, everyone knows that NATO has air superiority doctrine. And their 5th gen stealth airforce which is costing billions (B2, F22, F35variants) are the way to go. There is absolutelly no sense to develop ground based AA like Russians did (and which offsprings are made all over the world, from iran to china) which are cheaper per shot, harder to detect actual launch sites, easily deployed for 24/7, hard to jam, easy to move around, persistent and well developed.

F35 is the way boiz...

Former 14R here, kinda pissed that it took the Army 10 years to realize they fucked up big time by gutting ADA and especially SHORAD.

>>33079580
>Literally never been used
>Ever
>Never would be used even in a fucking land war against China

But hey i'm sure tying up tens of thousands of people and spending billions on fancy useless anti-air equipment will be just fine

I bet they'll spend their existance shooting down mortar rounds with half million dollar missiles

>>33077380
>shoot down incoming PGMs, like China and Russia do.
MEMES
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>>33076733
go back to le reddit

>>33076291

One of my friends that just graduated Air Defense BOLC was telling me about this just the other day. Apparently the Russians are using relatively inexpensive drones to great effect for scouting and spotting in Ukraine, but we don't have an efficient solution to that problem.

>>33079140
>He is talking about being able to locate transmitters
Radio discipline is double edged sword. From the one side it conceals forces with they inactive, from the other side when radio traffic appears it means the enemy is up to something and moving in the areas of traffic.

Military Tor network when?

>>33079718
>Apparently the Russians are using relatively inexpensive drones to great effect for scouting and spotting in Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEjL8nnu5j8

>>33079153
There are a few batteries of them still.

>>33079599
>implying that we weren't constantly deployed to Iraq from the invasion until the MOS was disbanded.

Granted they weren't ADA missions but hey, fuck versatility right?

>>33079153
>all but been

Which means some still exist...which is what the article said.

You're agreeing, not disagreeing.

>>33079533
Yeah, why the fuck shouldn't we have all our eggs in one basket?

>>33079599
Do you know how much fucking money a wounded or dead soldier costs?

Shooting down mortars with halfmil missiles is basically a cost saving measure.

>>33080037
cheaper to give them all an integrated headset that can instantly tell them where the mortar/missile is going to land.

>>33080071

But that requires fit and healthy soldiers

>>33078310
Absolutely not, you cannot take shelter from modern firepower, you can only stay mobile and hidden so the enemy can't call a mission on you

>>33079379
>It is designed to provide day and night protection for infantry and tank regiments against low-flying aircraft, helicopters, and cruise missiles in all weather conditions.
Make a wild guess.
>>33079406
It's strange how a handful of laserfag manchildren didn't pop up to explain you it never rains on the battlefield.

>>33077335
The point would be to avoid them though. If you are thinking you must be so funny for trolling as a Chinese shill only to realize the jig is up as soon as they realize your ID outed you, nobody will bother. It'll still happen of course, but it would reduce it considerably. And few people are going to bother with a VPN just to troll /k/

>>33077380
>They've got no ARM remotely comparable to the HARM
>What the fuck is Kh-58?
>What the fuck is Kh-31?

>airborne jamming platforms made in this fucking decade
>What the fuck is Vitebsk?
>What the fuck is SAP-14 Tarantul?

>nor do they have air-launched decoys like ITALD, disposable jammers like MALD
Yeah, because the US of A doesn't have even remotely competitive IADS.

>>33079718
Your friend did poorly in OCS, didn't he?

>>33080618
>Yeah, because the US of A doesn't have even remotely competitive IADS.
On the flip side, one can say that is because russia lacks even the shadow of a comptent air force.
You tailor your army against what you expect to fight, both russia and the US knows who will own total air superiority in any armed conflict.
That is why the US has lots of decoys and russia lots of AA.

>>33080780
>russia lacks even the shadow of a comptent air force
Well memed.
>both russia and the US knows who will own total air superiority in any armed conflict
But only one side would be enjoying the sight of barely holding together amerishit from 70s being knocked out from the sky by top notch Russian IADS in the case Americans decide to get silly.
>That is why the US has lots of decoys and russia lots of AA.
Only that Russia had lots of AA long before the dissolution of the USSR, when they had both the largest air force and army on the planet, as well as best IADS, while the US of A only could afford having the largest amount of bathtubs.

>>33079005
((()))
seriously though, the US could learn from Israel that fielding a basic system that just works is better than having a perfect system forever trapped in development hell.

>>33080631

Didn't go to OCS.

>>33080918
Are you delusional or trolling? Legit curious

>>33080966
What is it? Little Eugene is triggered by truth?

>>33080918
>>33080981
They pay people in Russia to make posts like this. I'm pretty sure most countries do actually. Just don't respond to them, we all know the truth.

>>33080918
>memed
Not really, russia has always been utter shit when it comes to air power. The latest excursion in Syria only reinforced that notion
>top notch Russian IADS
>top notch
>russian
No such thing.
US air would dismantle russian air defenses within 48h. Not without losses mind you but with MALD-J, B-2s, F-22 and F-35, the russian soldiers would have to live with a constant aluminum overcast and constant looming promise of sudden liberation from the horror of being alive while being russian.
>largest air force
The soviet air force was always a paper tiger. With the F-15 the USAF took a leap russia could never bridge, not even their "F-15 killer", the Su-27 could ever match it.

>>33079153
Local armory in my town has a shit ton of Avenger mounted Humvees so yeah, theyre still around.

>>33081608
>Not really
>No such thing
Poor little Eugene in denial.
>US air would dismantle russian air defenses within 48h
Because 48 hours after the US of A decides to get silly US air "force" would cease to exist and there will be no reason for Russia no have IADS anymore.
>The soviet air force was always a paper tiger
Amerishit anti-towelhead air "force" is.

>What does this mean for air defense? Instead of relying on big, stationary anti-aircraft batteries, maneuvering units must bring mobile air defenders with them. That’s why each division needs its own air defense battalion and each combat brigade needs its own SHORAD battery. Those batteries had better be able to keep up with their divisions and brigades as they go in harm’s way, which means the Army must develop what it’s calling “Maneuver SHORAD.”

The USA finally realized they should build mobile AA instead of constructing a line of missile turrets?

American air defense has lagged so much behind Russia. USA doesn't even have a Pantsir or Buk analog for short range defense.

>>33076328

What Chinese doctrine even is?

Steal shit, build a lot of shitty shit and throw copies of this stolen shitty shit at the enemy in hopes he will somewhat slow down?

Elaborate.

>>33081684
>Eugene
Not even french, Ivan.
That being said, eve the French with Rafale and MBDA Meteor has russia beat in the air.
Russia sucks dog shit at air warfare.
>Because 48 hours after
russian IADS would be burning oil puddles.
US air would be mopping up vatnik dregs by that time.
>anti-towelhead air
Which is far better than russia ever managed despite having the support of their puppet regime.

>>33082133
You don't have to be French to be a Eugene, Eugene.
>russian IADS would be laughing at burning oil puddles left of US air "force"
Ftfy.
>Which is far better than russia ever managed despite having the support of their puppet regime.
Who controls Aleppo? Say the line, amerishit.

>>33082179
>Eugene
Even a more retarded and incomprehensible slur than fatnik. Why not stick to burgerfat or burgerclapper and not stand out like the paid newfag shill you are.
>Ftfy
Forgetting the fact that the USAF can fly victory laps around Kaliningrad while vatniks cry bitch tears, are we?
>Aleppo
Only by bombing hospitals, food redistrubution, water supply and electricity, making the city incompatible with human life.
The US would solve it with less than 10% civilian casualties than russia ever could.
Of course, russians are subhuman savages that enjoy human suffering so you'll probably feel proud over murdering civilians.

>>33081784
Thats stupid

What they need is lasers integrated into existing vehicles, and to enable the next gen IFV's/MBT's to receive firing targetting info then shoot at aerial targets

Effectively turning all vehicles into SPAAG's
Also multi-purpose MLRS that goes with maneuver units