Name a better general purpose hunting round than 308.

>>33075787
45-70

>>33075787
6.5 creedmoor

>>33075787
To answer this you have to define what "general purpose" means.

What range is a "general purpose" cartridge meant to be able to reliably kill an animal at?

>>33075787
12ga you dingus

>>33075805
Too slow.

30-06

>>33075839
Its a .308 in a less rigid action

>>33075787

8x57 IS

>>33075812
this.

>>33075814
General purpose means able to kill any animal from bobcats and coyotes up to elk at distances of up to 200 yards.
>>33075812
Too small to cleanly kill big game. Remember that an animal that is not shot in the brain stem will continue to live until it bleeds to death.

>>33075787
.3009

>>33075787
.30-06
8x57 JS
7.62x54R

>>33075859
Do you want to release CWD infested brain matter into the blood stream? Because thats how you get Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease

>>33075859
>Too small to cleanly kill big game.
155mm howitzer then.

>>33075787
6.5x39 NATO

>>33075905
too fat
try losing half a millimeter and we can talk

>>33075832
But I was the first post.

7mm Rem Mag

>>33075887
Hey thanks for that, anon, i actually learned something here today rather than just hearing a bunch of opinions.

>>33075787
30-30

>>33075887
I wasn't implying that you should shoot for the brain. I was saying that a shot anywhere else must have a big enough bullet to bleed the animal to death.
>>33075956
Can't use spitzer bullets.
>>33075923
belts are a nuisance
>>33075873
>7.62x54R
Rims are a nuisance.
>8x57 JS
A good cartridge. If only manufacturers didn't load them at such low pressures.

without a doubt 12 gauge would cover the most variety of game. this shouldn't even be a conversation

>>33075827
>>33075972
Only at close range.

>>33075970
Your understanding of terminall ballistics is incomplete.

>>33075916
even 6x45 is only 2,700 fps at muzzle

why replace the NATO cartridge when it will give better armor penetration?

>>33076000
>x45
Your doing it wrong
.243 LBC

>>33075983
a rifled slug is good for 75-100yd and no matter the range you aren't going to consistently hit a flighted bird with a rifle unless youre ed mcgivern. if op's scenario is like "your plane crashed in the bush and you can have 1 caliber" im picking 12ga

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243/6.5cm/260.

And this is coming from a dude with two .308s.

All 3 listed above retain more energy and velocity better than 308.

They also have a higher ballistic coefficient until you start talking about 210gr-230gr bergers out of a 308 but that's a whole different beast.

Pic related, one of my rifles.
May buy a barrel in 6.5CM to try it out.

>>33076010
Hard to find info on it w/ google.

What kind of numbers does it get?

>>33075970
May not be exactly spitzer, but the leverevolulution by hornady isn't too bad with a bc of .330

>>33075889
Checks every box

>>33076077
90grain bullets get 2900 from a 24" bbl
The G7 BC on those rounds is insane.

>>33075999
Tell me how I'm wrong.
>>33076038
A shotgun is a specialized gun for birds. I'm talking land animals.
>>33076073
Kinetic energy doesn't mean anything. Blood loss is what really matters.

>>33075805
taste the rainbow. shoot the rainbow.

>what, you're not man enough for .45-120 sharps?

>>33076115
yeah you totally cant use a shotgun to kill deer or small game. buck shot is named after its specialized purpose, which is killing birds

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>>33076073
Secondly forgot to add, if you're hunting big game/past 700yards 300win is the other option.

Stay SS at 1500-1600yards.

>second rifle
>>33076115
>Kinetic energy doesn't mean anything. Blood loss is what really matters.

Disregard thread guys, it's a troll that has never hunted or owned a firearm.

>>33076115
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_ballistics

>>33076115
>A shotgun is a specialized gun for birds. I'm talking land animals.

if your state had both people and durr you'd be using durr slugs in your shotgun to kill bambi's mom.

>>33076115
A shotgun is a specialized gun for locks.

>>33075812
when will the 6.5 creedmoor meme end?

>>33075922
Kek

>>33076164
When high energy particle weapons become shoulder fired.

>>33076136
You can, but it's not the right tool for the job. It's improvising.
>>33076146
>700yards
Only a fool would take a shot at that distance.
>Disregard thread guys, it's a troll that has never hunted or owned a firearm.
Not an argument.
>>33076164
When people realize that size matters.

>>33076164
It's not a meme, it's better than 308 in every single way.

Cheaper match ammo, flatter trajectory, better wind bucking, better energy retention, and better FPS retention.

There's a reason all top shooters are running 6mm/6.5mm in competitions.

And I'm a die hard .308 lover.
See
>>33076073
>>33076146

>>33076189
>Only a fool would take a shot at that distance.
That is incorrect, only a person who is unable to take the ethical kill shot is a fool. Regardless of range.

You can effectively kill deer at 1300yards with a 300win if you can 100% make the shot, people have and will do so.

Precision shooting and long range hunting is a thing.

Seriously, I doubt you own any firearms or have hunted before.

>>33076216
and you really believe you can tell the difference?

>>33076189
the prompt is what is the best general purpose hunting round. 6.5 creedmor cant take a bird or a fox or a rabbit. if "general purpose hunting" to you means not being able to kill anything smaller than a deer and have whats left be usable that's fine, but that's not how i interpreted the question

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>anything under 338 Lapua or .458 Lott
It's like you guys want the squirrels to die slowly.

But really, I think 7mm Rem Mag is probably the best hunting cartridge for anything CONUS

>>33075787
.270 Win
7mm-08

>>33075787

7.62x54R

>>33076216
>flatter trajectory
>better FPS retention
These don't matter within ethical distances.
>better energy retention
Kinetic energy doesn't matter. It's a misleading measure of stopping power.
>You can effectively kill deer at 1300yards with a 300win if you can 100% make the shot, people have and will do so.
Only by luck.
>Precision shooting and long range hunting is a thing.
Only on TV. Your group size in the field is not what it is from a bench-rest.
>>33076231
General purpose should include animals up to elk. I does not need to include small varmints for food. We have 22 LR for them.
>>33076244
>rims

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>>33076235
>not shooting .50bmg

>>33075970
S&B are the only commercial 8x57 load worth a damn.

7x57 Wauser

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>>33076276
Basically. Good hunting ammo though.

>>33075970
>belts are a nuisance
retard detected

>>33075970
>Rims are a nuisance.

You some kind of casual who gets rimlock or something?

>>33076261
>the best general purpose hunting round is one round and then also .22lr for varmints
also what the fuck are you hunting for if not for food, you stupid dick? other than shit like hogs and coyotes.

>>33076230
Honestly I haven't shot it.
Has a lower recoil and my builds can reach out to 1500yards with elevation IF I can make the shot and conditions are in my favor, but I'm looking at a hilarious amount of drop.

At a 1000 yards?
Yes.

Shooting 180gr ELDs at 2700 fps I'd need 10.83 mils of elevation and 3.2mils of wind/spin/Coriolis.

Shooting 6.5cm 140gr ELDs at 2800fps I'd be at 8.9 mils ele and 2.4 horizontal.

That's a difference of 72 inches in elevation.

>>33076261
holy shit your bait is week, get out of here haha.

>only by luck
Because factoring 11 datapoints is luck.
>kinetic energy doesn't matter
brb killing dur with 100ftbls at 100fps
>only on tv
What is tactical competition, what is any ELR forum and recordings of shots, what is anything other than what your grandpappy taught you.

Jesus, you really are no-guns.

>>33075787
6.79x456mm Ork

>>33075956
It's ballistically equivalent to 7.62x39 it was good in the days of black powder it only has stuck around because of peoples blind fanaticism

>>33076318
Was Jeff Cooper a retard, because those were his words, not mine?
>>33076327
Shoulder headspacing is more accurate.
>>33076330
You're not going to find a bullet that is big enough to humanely kill and elk and small enough to leave much meat on a wabbit. Sorry, but it's a fool's errand.
>>33076331
>Because factoring 11 datapoints is luck.
Unrealistic for hunting in the wilderness.
>brb killing dur with 100ftbls at 100fps
A man running at full speed has more kinetic energy than a 357 magnum. Which would you rather be hit by?
>What is tactical competition, what is any ELR forum and recordings of shots, what is anything other than what your grandpappy taught you.
All of that is done under conditions not representative of real-life hunting. It is typically done from benchrests or prone positions at measured ranges with measured wind-speeds and temperature. If you have to do a bunch of math to shoot, then you are too far away.
>Jesus, you really are no-guns.
Not true and not an argument.

>>33075787
20mm

>>33076377
>You're not going to find a bullet that is big enough to humanely kill and elk and small enough to leave much meat on a wabbit. Sorry, but it's a fool's errand.
learn how to stalk and get within 50yd an a 1oz slug will have no problem dropping an elk.

>>33075812
literally this

>>33076377
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIn1G8BeUuc

I can post videos all day. A fucking 12 year old can do it.

Thedartman72 hits 'yotes CONSISTENTLY at 1000 yards with ethical shots.

>All of that is done under conditions not representative of real-life hunting. It is typically done from benchrests or prone positions at measured ranges with measured wind-speeds and temperature. If you have to do a bunch of math to shoot, then you are too far away.

You're so fucking hilarious, tactical competitions are done from a run and gun with unknown ranges and with many different shooting positions.

Holy shit is it difficult to know how to use a simple equation and look at a Kestrel to find out pressure, windspeed, and temperature to make an easy first round hit at 600 yards.

Hunting from a prone position is very common on my stalks, taking shots at 300 yards.

>if you have to do math to shoot then you're too far away

Wow, for thousands and thousands of years archers have been too fucking far away since they have to judge distance and drop on the arrow.

Golly fucking gee.

>not true and not an argument

Post some pictures then.
And not an argument? I've never flown an aircraft however I think passenger airlines should start take off at at 60 degree angle and at 40 knots.

Do you realize how fucking retarded you sound?

375 lethal magnum

>>33075859
>General purpose means able to kill any animal from bobcats and coyotes up to elk at distances of up to 200 yards.

Well if that's the Criteria then .50 BMG is the best general purpose round since it will kill anything well in excess of 200 yards.

>>33075787
20mm is objectively the best hunting round. Not even trees will stop your kill.

>>33076479
>I can post videos all day.
And that's the difference between reality and videos. Getting your ideas about field shooting from entertainment videos is like getting ideas about real sex from watching porn.
>hits 'yotes CONSISTENTLY at 1000 yards with ethical shots.
Some people can do that, but they are extremely few and far between.
>You're so fucking hilarious, tactical competitions are done from a run and gun with unknown ranges and with many different shooting positions.
Not at extreme ranges like you're talking about.
>Hunting from a prone position is very common on my stalks, taking shots at 300 yards.
The prone position is unquestionably the stablest, but it is not as useful as the others because of intervening grass and other stuff.
>Holy shit is it difficult to know how to use a simple equation and look at a Kestrel to find out pressure, windspeed, and temperature to make an easy first round hit at 600 yards.
Easier said than done and requires known ranges.
>Wow, for thousands and thousands of years archers have been too fucking far away since they have to judge distance and drop on the arrow.
And they were close enough that they could do it by estimation and didn't need any specialized equipment.
>Do you realize how fucking retarded you sound?
Yeah, well, that's just like your opinion man.

>>33076807
>>33076826
Yes, but the recoil makes it very impractical.

>>33076377
>because those were his words, not mine?
>i regurgitate talking points to make arguments from authority and you better respect that

retard status: upgraded from detected to confirmed

>>33076479
dartman hits yotes at 1800 yards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q2ZMTZxHxo

>>33076907
>i regurgitate talking points to make arguments from authority and you better respect that
So it's wrong to learn from other people? The reason belts are a nuisance is because they shorten case life.
>dartman hits yotes at 1800 yards
The video is either fake or extreme luck. I'd like to see you shoot coyotes at 1800 yards on demand.

>>33075787
Can 308 take down a black bear? I would like to hunt black bear, and was wondering if I should use my 308, or get something different.

>>33075827
winrar

>>33077059
Yes, it can easily kill black bears.

>>33075844
>.308 the same as 30-06
confirmed for not knowing shit

>>33075787
.270 Win

>>33077123
I think what he meant was that the bullet was the same and that the difference in velocity was not significant.

>>33075787
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2mir0I7hZk

Good video overall skip to the .30-06 for the keks. He also brings up good points about not only the rounds but other factors like what kind of rifles can use each round.

>>33076261
>Kinetic energy doesn't matter. It's a misleading measure of stopping power.

wanna know how i know you are retarded?

>>33075787
.260
6.5x55
6.5 CM

>>33077235
Not an argument.

>>33077209
I never thought I'd see an American hate .30-06.

>>33076073

> 6/6.5mm

I've heard nothing but praise from every hunter I've known who used 6.5 bullets, Swede or otherwise. But I continually hear that 6mm are no good for anything past white tail or the smallest mule deer.

Does the the .5mm cross section really make that much of a difference in bleed out?

>>33075787
7.62x25

>>33075787
7mm and 270 WSM
Its super flat shooting, can take down anything except for some of the larger bears in North America

>>33077235

Different anon. The problem with just using KE is everyone looks at the number and then ignores things like bullet cross section (wound cross section), SD (penetration), or bullet construction (pen, expansion, etc.).

People just assume KE always translates to a deeper, wider wound channel, and often it's more complicated than that.

>>33077301
Even the heavier .270 WSM loads cook along at a very comfy 3200+ FPS.

I think it would be adequate for bear as long as it wasn't charging you.

>>33076163
More like clearing out trenches.

>>33077277
the .30-06 served its purpose well but advances in gunpowder mean you're stuck with the equivalent of a .308 in a rifle that weighs as much as a .300 winmag, thanks to it needing a long action.

>>33075787
30-06.

>>33077372
But the larger casing of .30-06 means you can get more power than you could with a .308.

6.5x55

>>33077391
.308 is higher pressure.
The only thing 30-06 can do better is seat 200+ grain projectiles without infringing on powder space. If you're regularly fring this heavy of bullet it's better to just use downloaded 300 win mag.

>>33077142
Go above 180gr bullets and the 30-06 is king.

>>33077292

I think it has more to do w/ weight. A .243win loaded for big game is about 100gr while a 6.5 swede is about 140gr

>>33077427

Grazie, my man. Forgot about bullet weight.

>>33077391
Technically yes, theres also the issue of hot loading and chamber pressure issues depending on what the gun is built for, but you're still stuck using a long action. The .308 round was chosen to replace the .30-06 in the military because it can do similar in a smaller package which means a smaller action and a significantly lighter gun. Its effectively stuck between the long range .300 win mag and the versatile all arounder .308, and either is a better option in my opinion.

>>33077425
if you go above 180 grain you might as well use .300 winmag and take advantage of the long action gun you'd need to shoot either.

>>33077473
>The .308 round was chosen to replace the .30-06 in the military because it can do similar in a smaller package
*With the loads the U.S. military was using at the time.

If you're stuck with a single rifle or caliber, the 30-06 is more versatile than the 308.

>>33077481
Except if I want to also shoot lighter bullets, or don't want to burn out my barrels as quickly, or am recoil sensitive, Etc.

>>33077502
The issue isn't just the round but also the rifle you need to fire said round. I prefer .308 as it is both a versatile round and can be used in a significantly lighter rifle compared to a .30-06, plus you can just under power a load of .300 winmags to get the effect and bullet weight you want while giving you the option of going up and taking full advantage of a long action rifle. I'm looking at this from a hunting, and not target shooting perspective. When i hunt i walk for a long time so being able to cut weight off of the action is a big plus for me. Especially if i can't take advantage of the 30-06 increased case length due to my hunting environment.

>>33075787
223

>>33077481
>belted magnum
How about nope

>>33075787
>>33075787
>better general purpose hunting caliber


.243 for example can be loaded all the way down to hunt fox with...coyote, deer, on up to elk.

>>33076373
And, you know, all the sweet guns chambered in it

>>33077656
.270 tho.

>>33077731
.270 would be too much for smaller game like fox. you have a wider spectrum of bullet weight with .243

>>33076953
>The reason belts are a nuisance is because they shorten case life.

>"i dont know how to use a clearance gauge and adjust my die"

ladies and gentlemen of the jury, i enter exhibit C, the third piece of evidence that OP is indeed a fucking retard.

>judge: "guilty, case dismissed, /thread"

>>33075787
you're clearly a troll.

12ga can be used to take anything from doves to turkey and squirrels to grizzly bear.

I've hit ducks at 45 yards and deer at 80.

you can use rifled or smooth barrels and use scopes on em.

.308 can take large game at 0-500 yards. It's niche as fuck

>>33075787

375 H&H. Dangerous game or whitetail deer.

>>33077837
>What deer?

308win, 270win, .30-06 are all right in there. 7mm mag is too big for deer, it liquefies the insides of an elk, never mind what it does to deer.

My homework in the winchester isle at the store tells me
308 150gr 2800fps
30-06 150 gr 2900fps
270win 150 gr 3000fps
7mm mag 150 gr 3150fps

Obviously 7mm mag is better, but 308 is a good all rounder (and comes in cheapo surplus variety for getting good)

>>33076000
Because of overall better performance at range as well as a wider selection of projectiles. It's not gonna happen, but there are merits