China's military progress nears parity with the West

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>>33071094
>China's air force had introduced a "highly capable" short-range missile in a class only a handful of leading aerospace nations had been able to develop, it added.

>Additionally, China's long range air-to-air missile seen on exercise last year posed a risk for aircraft tankers and AWACS surveillance aircraft that previously loitered safe out of range

https://www.iiss.org/en/militarybalanceblog/blogsections/2017-edcc/february-7849/chinas-very-long-range-missile-development-4aa5

>>33071094
>The fiddies were
(you)
>all along

>>33071114
Not implying anything, but IISS is legit.

>>33071094
Let's see them do something with it

>>33071139
You want them to bomb defenseless sand people to prove their military is good like the US does?

>>33071109
>China's air force had introduced a "highly capable" short-range missile

Is it?

Based on what?

Uh huh, sure.

Is that why China is still producing copies of American and Russian designs?

>>33071109
Kind of reminds me of that air launched pac 3

>>33071094
Irrelevant, the Western world and China both have no plans of being the aggressor in a war.

>stop manufacturing all of our shit in China
>Maybe they'd stop stealing our technology

>>33071109
Is that an f15?

>>33071094
I wonder how the West will be surprised when the PLAN strategic support force deployed directed energy weapons soon.

>>33071811
I'm not sure a laser pointer will really pose that much of an issue

>>33071532
Based on their export ads.
The PL-10E is offered for sale and western analysts have taken a close look on it.
Basically a Chinese IRIS-T

>>33071668
USA has been acting as an aggressor to China since the 1950's

>>33071827
>Based on their export ads.

So literal propaganda

>>33071821
Try High Powered Microwaves, my contrarian friend.

http://www.popsci.com/china-microwave-weapon-electronic-warfare

>>33071839
Sure, please maintain that posture. A head buried in dirt must feel reassuring.

>>33071831

So those militarized islands in the South China Sea are tourist traps for the PLA?

I saw a pic of a chinese APC but I can't remember the name of it. It looks like an SU-152 without the gun and with a shorter turret. Would anyone happen to know the name of it?

>>33071857
>A salesman told me it was good so it must be good

...yes

>>33071858
They a long overdue response to the increasing militarized presence in Japan and S Korea

When you build military bases surrounding them and conduct constant nuclear tests not far from them of course they will respond.

I bet the one most butthurt about that development shouldnt be the Burgers, but the Japs , who are still wallowing in their obsolete notions of racial superiority over the Chinese.
The more China progresses, the closer the Day of the Rope comes for them.
Same applies to the so-called 'Taiwanese' , who derive their self-esteem from being weeaboos and claiming descendants to the supposed superior Japanese Masters.

Keep it comin, China. Every day is a day less for the ancient archenemy.

>>33071600
Yeah. Different application though.
Also no silly pod.

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Oh, look. A better and actual combat capable LCS.

http://www.janes.com/article/67930/idex-2017-chinese-navy-to-acquire-new-trimaran-hull-frigate

>IDEX 2017: Chinese Navy to acquire new trimaran hull frigate

>The China Shipbuilding Trading Corporation (CSSC) has revealed a new trimaran-hulled frigate concept at the IDEX show held in Abu Dhabi, telling Jane's that a version was being built for China's People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN).

>The specifications provided by CSSC for the trimaran vessel state that it displaces 2,450 tonnes, has a length of 142 m, a width of 32.6 m, a cruising speed of 25 kt, and an endurance of 30 days. A CSSC official added that its top speed is between 30-35 kt and that it has a crew of more than 100.

>CSSC officials said the vessel uses diesel engines that power a "marine electric propulsion system" that in turn drive three pump jets. It does not have a secondary propeller propulsion system.

>Although lighter than China's Type 054A frigate, the trimaran carries a similar armament of one 76 mm main gun, vertical launch tubes for 16 or 32 missiles, eight anti-ship missile launchers, two close-in weapon systems, and hangar space for two helicopters.

>>33071956
The PLA is like your girlfriend: in the garbage before it had a chance to see daylight.

>>33072203
Sorry, but even my Japanese onahole will at least get used until it breaks before ending in the garbage.
Kinda like how the PLA will do after entering Tokyo.

>>33071831
That's just the USA being friendly, you know when son acts aggressively towards you, most of your country becomes flat and smoking.

>>33072320
Like Vietnam?

Gook shill, please.

>>33071094
When you will guys accept that it is all smoke and mirrors.
China just relatively recently started to get involved in modern arm,they have yet to prove their technological superiority in actual conflict.
Until then they will just continue to steal every design they could get their hands on.

The next east asian genocide can not come quick enough.

>>33072335
To be fair, it did smoke quite a lot during the war.
Pretty sure some of it was flattened too.

>>33071885

Oh gee, long-standing US deployments to the North-East of China, better build a bunch of militarised islands in disputed waters to antagonise otherwise neutral countries to the South into becoming closer to America. If PRC wants to act like a victim, it would be more convincing if it weren't intimidating its neighbours who aren't explicit US allies.

>.conduct constant nuclear tests not far from them

Ah that explains it, you're retarded. Last US nuclear test was 1992, and the last one in the Pacific was decades before that.

>>33072437
>Ah that explains it, you're retarded. Last US nuclear test was 1992
but you haven't left that area though have you, in-fact you've constructed more military basses around there in ongoing 'tests' of the previous results.

Maybe i explained it wrong, not nuclear blasts but testing the nuclear results from the previous blasts. So still a militarized presence.

What if the US was so sad it paid it's broken branches (forever alones) to troll Chinese Web sites?

>>33071109
Again, the same fucking chicom faggot posting about this missile. Pathetic.

>>33072488
>backpedalling this fucking hard

>>33072488
>Not nuclear blasts, but testing the results from the previous blasts
>Testing the results from a prior experiment

Did your parents drop you a lot as a baby?

>>33072167
Why are they so inclined to copy American memes?
They don't even have the same requirements and doctrines.
They just blindly make "equivalents" to every piece of american design.

hoping Q5 or JH7 flies through my window tonight I don't care

>>33072537
Thats what the One-Child policy gets you

>>33072598
Well, the LCS itself isn't a bad concept and arguably the Chinese need littoral ships more than the US due to that submarine threat the Japanese pose.

The key is just that the '50 knots max speed and aluminium hull, as well as the 'mission modules' were a bad idea that left the ship underarmed and breakdown prone.

The Chinese equivalent seems to be a much less ambitious concept, which would actually make it viable.

>>33071094
If we want to talk about the Chinese
we will use stats.
J-20
Crew:1
Length:20 m
Wingspan:13 m
Height:4.45 m
Wing area:78 m2
Empty weight:19,391 kg
Gross weight:32,092 kg
Max takeoff weight: 36,288 kg upper estimate
Fuel capacity:11,340 kg or 19,340 kg with 4 2,400L external fuel tanks
Powerplant:Xian WS-15 turbofans, 87 or 111 kN (19,500 or 25,000 lbf)dry, 140 or 180 kN (32,000 or 40,000 lbf) afterburner
Maximum speed: 2,100 km/h
Wing loading: 410 kg/m2
Thrust/weight: 1.06
Service ceiling:~ 20 km
Range:~ 4 500 km
g load:9g
Armament

PL-10 SRAAM
PL-12 Medium Range AAM

PL-10
Range:20+km
Weight:89 kg
Length:3 m
Speed:~Mach 2.5
PL-12
Range:70-100 km
Weight:?
Length:?
Speed:~Mach 4
F-22
Crew: 1
Length:18.92 m
Wingspan:
Height:5.08 m
Wing area:78.04 m2
Empty weight:19,700 kg
loaded weight:29,410 kg
Max. takeoff weight:38,000 kg
Fuel capacity:8,200 kg or 12,000 kg with fuel tanks
Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 turbofans with thrust vectoring in pitch-axis
Dry thrust: 26,000 lbf (116 kN) each
Thrust with afterburner: >35,000 lbf each
Performance

Maximum speed:
At altitude:2,410 km/h
Supercruise:1,960 km/h
Range: >2,960 km with 2 external fuel tanks
Combat radius: 460 nmi (with 100 nmi in supercruise clean)(529 mi, 852 km)
Ferry range: 1,740 nmi (2,000 mi, 3,220 km)
Service ceiling: >20,000 m
Wing loading: 77.2 lb/ft2 (377 kg/m2)
Thrust/weight: 1.08
Maximum design g-load: +9.0/−3.0 g

Armament

Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.787 in) M61A2 Vulcan 6-barrel rotary cannon in right wing root, 480 rounds
Air to air mission loadout:
6× AIM-120 AMRAAM
2× AIM-9 Sidewinder
Air to ground mission loadout:
2× 1,000 lb (450 kg) JDAM or 8× 250 lb (110 kg) GBU-39 Small Diameter Bombs
2× AIM-120 AMRAAM
2× AIM-9 Sidewinder

AIM-9X Sidewinder
Weight:85.3 kg
Length:3.02 m
Diameter:127.0 mm
Wingspan:279.4 mm
range:35.4 km
Speed:Mach 2.5+
AIM 120D AMRAAM
Weight:152 kg
Length:3.7 m
Diameter:180 mm
Range:160+ km
Speed:4,900 km/h

>>33072282
Having a Japanese grandfather is nothing to be ashamed of.

>>33073364
J-20 stats are unknown and estimation at Best. The fighter is not up for sale, so no one knows any stats aside of generic info about its size.

>>33072488
yeah, base expansions on Guam are why China is fucking with Vietnam and the Flips

All the technology in the world is no match for experience.

The Chinese military is full of newbies.

>>33071831
>t. I don't know any history about U.S.-China relations

Under Mao, yes things were shit until Nixon came around in 1972, but once Deng came to power, the situation improved. Only recently with Xi, has the situation nosedived again.

>>33071183
OH SHIT.

SHOTS FIRED.

>>33071839
J20 isn't for export.

Just like the F22.

you stupid shit.

>>33071885
No they're not. What planet have you been on for the past 3 years? They're there to try and legitimize China's claims to literally the entirety of the SCS. What nuclear tests?

>>33072488
Actually the US has been trying to leave for ages. In fact the US only within a few years turned over operational command of all forces in South Korea to South Korean command. We've been trying to do that for over 50 years and every time the SKs begged us to remain. Same thing with Japan.

>>33075449

Not to mention China ignored an international ruling against it.

Herp Derp.

>>33072598
Maybe that was the US navy strategy.

Make a huge meme ship and see if the chinese would copy it.

>>33074646
This. Just because you have the best of something doesn't mean you know how to use them effectively. This is why America will always be better in anything military related.

>>33075575

Should have given China the Crusader design then, lol.

>>33075396
Nobody was talking about the J20

You stupid shit

>>33075760

For all the flak America's military gets in China, we have a fuckton of fighting experience.

We've fought brutal and continous warfare against ruthless and unorthodox opponents for more than a decade now.

Heck we probably could replicate IEDS with ease if we needed to to fight China.

>>33075801
Why would we need to replicate IEDs to fight China?

>>33075760
>This is why America will always be better in anything military related.
>always be better
>Pax Romana Forever
>The Sun never sets on the Empire
>The 1000 year Reich

you know what they say about history.

>>33076364
he's praying for a chance to WOLVERINE.

Name one innovative or original chinese military technology from the past 50 years

protip: you can't

>>33076521
That one meme-shovel

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>chinese only recently mastered the art of pen making

China is still behind the US, but they have definitely caught up and surpassed Japan, Russia, India and Taiwan by now.

>>33075141

it took a nose dive after 1989

Xi's simply the new phase of that nose dive

>>33076521
The chicom chest rig

>>33071762
Mig 29 or copy

>>33076366
It's written by the victors.

>tfw 2000 years of producing corpses

>>33077039
So not only did that joke fly over your head, you also can't discern a flanker from a fulcrum?

>>33072488

>when 4chan costs a Chinese shill his daily rations and cardboard box savings

you all are bastards.

>>33071183
Yes. Start with the Uygurs

Depends on which western country theys talking bout.
Outside the US, they could prob shit kick every other western country

>>33071094
>chinese anything

Kek

>>33077104
In his defense, they look fairly similar from multiple angles, and the best way to tell them apart is by seeing the next to each other, because Flankers are fucking enormous.

>>33077341
don't defend him. You know he deserves being called an idiot. If nothing else, he should know that there are no MiG-29s in PLAAF service.

>>33076366
Some dumb motherfuckers on /k/ don't realize the problem with hubris, and underestimating a potential adversary.

The Chinks are pathetic now, but they make half the worlds steel. They could lay a keel a month without a problem.

>>33077531
Point of order: Chink steel sucks ass.

>>33077562
Nah, you get what you pay for (and what you get the to agree inescapably to).

>>33077562
point of order: you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

second point of order: you're an annoying dumb fuck and nobody here wants you around.

>>33071875
Type 77 possibly?

>>33076751
>The pen is mightier than the USAF

>>33071183

Yes?

>>33071845
You're a little behind the times. The US mounted a microwave pulse thingy majigger on a missile already. A high school kid can make a microwave gun. Afaik the biggest issue is getting a more powerful pulse with compact systems, not the tech itself.

>>33078385
Let's not kid ourselves here. A highschooler will just fry himself with a megawatt pulse device. This level of miniaturization is very impressive.

>>33077725
I want him around, since he's fucking right.

>>33071094
>What now.

Punish China for hacking and industrial/corporate espionage.

Keep China from hacking things too.

Cnc generals one step closer to becoming reality

>america withdrawing from europe because fuck paying for everythibg
>gla = isis
>china growing larger

>>33071956
You say that but Japan's military is still on a tight leash.

>>33078480

>China gets BTFO by a bunch of sand niggers and becomes a laughingstock of the entire nuclear community
>USA makes a valiant return to save the day
>Preserving Freedom

>>33071956

You realize that Japan is in the situation it is now because it got tag-teamed by the two most powerful militaries in the world, topped of by a nuclear doubleheader. I'd like to see China look so good after that.

>>33072488
Time to stop posting chang.

The plane is made in china

>>33078480
that's zero hours.

>>33076751
they can't do pencil erasers
boss had one at work. wrote okay. the eraser, or what looked like one, was plastic. it didn't erase as much as make a vaguely pinkish smear while leaving the graphite on the paper.

>>33071956
Lol the Chinese would have gotten genocided if it wasnt for US sanctions, equipment and eventual involvement. Chang you sound kind of salty about Nanjing.

>>33071114
There is also me

>>33075141
It was downhill since 1989-2009 anon

We were practically allies 1972-1988

>>33075572
B'cos the very same court that Uncle Sam don't give a fuck to it, why should China respect it?
Face it, UN is quite dead, International Court ruling are just empty words without any power to enforce it. SCS ruling does nothing, even Duterte now willing to work with China.

>>33071956
>>33078495
>>33078520

The Japs can turn their head around when required to, and build their own nuclear armaments.

You think that just because Japan budget is not on par with China, and that it has no nuclear weapons doesn't mean it can't do jack.

Like that other anon said, keep in mind its on a tight leash. Like "1% of GDP as defense budget tight" leash. Wonder what'd happen when that is raised by just double.

>>33077341
Shit, I dunno, perhaps the lack of tail boom on the Mig?
And >>33077401

>>33078848
>don't give a fuck to it

C'mon chang, slow down and use your english. You aren't gonna get paid for posts like that.

>>33078848
>t. bare branch
I guess you're married to the Party now.

>>33077531
>They could lay a keel a month without a problem.

Trying to build ships faster than we can sink them is a horrible way to fight a war. Yes, productivity and logistics is a big part of the equation. Experience and doctrine is another part, the part that China is missing.

All China has to wait is for the west to all be white minority within 50 years, and then there will be nothing for them to fight over

>>33071094
My God, that sky looks depressing af

>>33071094
A real OP could get 250+ replies.

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The Chinese navy has just admitted to active service yesterday morning 83 Qi Ji Guang, class 927 , at the Lüshunkou naval base in northern China, In the presence of Vice Admiral TIAN Zhong, Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Chinese Navy.

The training vessel, which is 163 meters long and 22 meters wide and moves more than 9,000 tons full loads, will be attached directly to the Dalian Naval Academy. It is the first ship of Type 927 and will be used not only to train Chinese naval officers and foreign students, but will also serve in missions of diplomatic visit, evacuation of Chinese nationals and humanitarian rescue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct-b2D0UP2E

Also, you can't sink islands Amerilards.

>>33078870
And China could easily raise their defense spending to just 4 percent (from current 2) and they could afford as many carriers and nukes as the US.

>>33071094
>dw

>>33078385
The CHAMP missile project has failed, friend.

>>33078870
America would not allow that.
>say no to neo-fascism!

>>33076751
Yes it took decades until they could produce steel as high grade as those used in ball pen points, but now they have it and now they also can make high quality ball bearings as well, ending another reliance that they had with importing from Germany or Japan.

Metallurgy and material science is one of the tightest guarded industrial secrets and now they have it.

Just as high strength Carbon fibers that they weren't allowed to import. They have those too.

>>33076521
Chicom chest rig.

Small unit tactics with fire teams (Google Marine Raiders and their connection with the Chinese communist, as well as the origin of 'Gung Ho')

Long range ballistic everything - anti ship, anti air, anti submarine

Geostationary spy satellites with resolution to ID ships.

Quantum radars and encryption.

>>33080876
There's so many people in the west who have no clue how far we have declined & stagnated
Or what the consequences of the negative population growth combined with destroying our demographics

The average IQ of the US has dropped by 2 points in the last few decades
It's much worse in Europe that might have dropped 5+ points among the young.

China doesn't have to fight the West, the West is killing itself.

>>33080804

>Also, you can't sink islands Amerilards.

It's funny you write that at the same time you post an image showing exactly how poorly distributed & hardened the islands facilities are against a strike.

>>33080813
Well, China fights no foreign wars, so a doubling of their spending would result in more hardware than in more jarheads shitflinging abroad in some sand filled Shithole.