Why do the Russians still use an obsolete, 75+ year-old grenade?

>>33056958
Because it still kills people very effectively.

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Why do the americans use a 49 year old grenade?

Why does everyone use obsolete 9mm and .45ACP?

>much hundred year old cartridge design

why don't we live on a post aggression society yet?

>>33056958
Despite all the technological advancements humanity has made in the entirety of it's existance, you can still walk into any hardware store and buy a rock on a stick.

Why? Because it works.

>>33057431
>post aggression
Do people actually believe this will be a thing?

>>33056958
Why spend a bunch of money on making and designing new ones when you're just going to blow the fucking things up anyway

>>33056958
It's a casing full of an explosive compound. The fuck do you improve on that besides better explosives?

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126 years old cartridge

How can something as simple as a hand grenade even become obsolete?

I mean, what has been developed during the last 60 years or so that makes a 2017 nade deadlier than the fucking F1 in OPs pic??

>>33057715
Nothing that wouldn't violate international law.
and even then simple design is usually the hardest to improve.
What would you have it do other than what it already does?

>>33056958
there really isn't a lot you can do to improve a grenade.

>easy to use
>safe to store
>effective
>cheap to make

You'd not only have to make it better on all 4 counts, but significantly enough better that it would be worthwhile to reprint all the training manuals and shit.

>>33057743
The main issue i have with it, is that it's a defensive grenade.

If you tried to use that with shoddy cover you might end up fragging a friendly.

Offensive grenades are a thing, and surely it's not just NATO that can benefit from it.

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>>33056958
green Poké balls, soon

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>>33056958
The same reason Chinese are still pretending to be German Stormtroopers/Warlord Period Sword & Pistol Units.

>>33057752
i think the rgd 5 is offensive

>>33057754
the ring should be on a different mechanism, split at the end it goes through the hoop there.

make each end of the split ring go through a different "eyelet" (like it has there), right next to each other.

That will make it sort of a spring to keep it in place.

quads

>>33057766
imagine standing 25 feet away from a window and thinking about throwing one of those fucking things in the window...

>gee i hope the handle doesn't hit the frame and fuck everything up

maybe grenades aren't used like on my vidya gaems though.

>>33057752
thing about hand grenades is throws lack consistency and it's very easy to fuck up and not throw it farther than it's casualty radius. america is largely in favor of grenade launchers now because of the greater distance and consistency.

>>33057778
Stick Grenades are mostly Concussion.

Chinks do have ball-shaped frags like everyone else.

>>33057789
splitterring is famously defensive

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitterring

Why do Americans still use an 84 year old machinegun?
If it works, it works.

>>33057778
>>33057789
I wonder if it would be possible to make a grenade with a telescopic fold-out stick. Possibly useful for smoke grenades when range might be more important than accuracy?

>>33057766
Looks like something Rockstar Games would design.

>>33057887
adding a fucking string to it would enable you to throw it farther

>>33057930

O-or a frigging parachute!

>>tfw it already exists.

>>33057488

I know, right?

I mean, even if mankind does get more and more peaceful with less wars, eventually in the far off future healthcare is going to get so damn good im calling that bloodsports will come back in.

Imagine if your brain had its own life support system and you could control it more directly (Fall asleep now for X hours, be awake, be concentrating, limit pain, increase pleasure etc.).

Moment that happens blood sports and knife fights are back in.

Martial arts is way more fun when you can practice it properly without pain and without fear of permanently damaging your opponent.

"Paintball" with real guns and low caliber bullets that cant penetrate the braincase. Get injured? Just jump in the healing vats for a few hours.

Damn i wish i lived five hundred years in the future.

>>33057488
100% is impossible, but 99% post physical aggression is doable if you socialize kids certain way in school and at home.

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>>33056958

>>33057887
making it a sling would be much more practical.

What about grenades with a bluetooth receiver that will only blow up when at a certain distance from the the carrier? You could set different parameters like a timer, 'explode on impact' or 'explode on X distance' via a smartwatch or something similar.

How about a grenade that sprays tiny sticky particles and then takes a scan of the environment. You could see the layout of the room + any hostiles that might be in the room.

>>33057967
well with grenade launchers they only explode after it spins a certain number of times.

>>33057948
>he doesn't want to go full splatterhouse with a remote-controlled body

>>33057715
that swedish bounding grenade is pretty terrifying

>>33057766
can you imagine shoving that up your ass?

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>>33056958

>>33058065
>can you imagine shoving that up your ass?
No, because I'm not a gigantic faggot.

>>33058065
talk about exploding in someone's ass

>>33057954
Do you have any evidence to back that up?

>>33058147
Of course he doesn't, he's talking out his ass like this guy >>33058065

>>33058065
It's likely that someone has tried this.

>>33056958
>>33058073
If it ain't broke, don't fix it

>>33057766
Yeah but with the handle you can probably throw that further, which means you're less likely to underthrow the nade and frag yourself, I assume.

>>33058065
/k/ the post

>>33056958
Don't fix what isn't broken.

>>33057967
jammable

>>33058065
First thing i thought about.

>>33057954
>implying force peace won't backfire
You do realize that human beings are notorious for doing the opposite of what society demands they do, right?

>>33058234
weighs too much

>>33058451
The vast majority do what society thinks they should do. They get a job, post on facebook, watch Super Bowl, and so on.

And for those who reject the expected non-violent behaviour we have prison. (Funny enough, those in this group tends to band together in small communities which are much stricter about expected behaviour than society overall. So instead of being kinda like everyone else they end up being exactly like the other "individualists" around them.)

>>33057431
Because aggression trumps passivity.

You however, are free to lead the submission wave by personal example. Post boipucci to see if worthy of fullsub.

>>33057787
>america is largely in favor of grenade launchers now because of the greater distance and consistency.

Tradeoff is a small, weak grenade.

You can make bullet trap versions of the US WWII rifle grenade adapters but Americans won't want to carry them.

Self and bros copied the bullet trap grapnel design as a base with a cup to hold cylindrical grenades as a great way to launch smoke, sell a NON-PYRO option to Uncle Sam for grenade launching which (ahem) incidentally could toss WP too (or Thermite, but no real reason for that), and maybe make money but we couldn't get funding to finish the project.

It will toss a full-weight dummy grenade ninety meters and is nifty for lofting them over obstructions.

Not an NFA item since inert like training rifle grenades and fun to do. If it goes nowhere for another few years I'll post pics all over as inspiration, but you can make one yourself if you are a machinist and not retarded.

The handle makes them nice for throwing. We wrapped a coil spring around the spoon just like WWII versions, and inertia spits it off just like the WWII versions.

The Mecar bullet trap may work better, but we didn't get into machining a bunch of traps. Solid 4140 center-drilled (go shallow, objective is to prevent deflection) will stop steel core projectiles. We don't have a full auto or burst AR to test more than one, but at three (repeat firings) they cracked the trap and bulged the base tube so respectably safe at one.

If you do this, begin with at least 1/4" wall thickness when turning from billet round stock. Billet isn't expensive.

>>33057766
The handle allows for some neat hacks.

>>33057508
>It's a casing full of an explosive compound. The fuck do you improve on that besides better explosives?

Better fragmentation.

>>33057715

Body armor narrows the kill radius a touch but greatly narrows the disabling radius. This has been know for a long time. The first grenade made to address that was the HG 85 back in 1985. There is some talk that it the next wave of body armor will cause it to need to be replaced, which is part of the reason for the Enhanced Tactical Multi-Purpose (ET-MP) hand grenade.

>>33056958
>>33057635
>>33058073
It works okay

And replacing things costs lots of money

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>>33058065

>>33057766

It adds more leverage in order to allow weak Chinese arms to throw them farther.

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>>33056958
because a russian soldier hasn't needed to use grenades in 75+ years

>>33057948
Hey i'd be down for that

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>>33056958
they don't though? Russia has had a number of grenade designs over the years. if you see them in use it's just burning up old stock.

>>33058073
By the time that we're waging war against ayy's i bet this thing would still be roaring

>>33058065
Don't ever change, /k/.

>>33056963
>Because it still kills people very effectively.

Not as effectively as modern grenades.

I remember reading somewhere that a post-WWII study of hand grenades showed that the cast designs tended to burst into 3-4 large chunks (which could kill) and a bunch of small particles (that did nothing).

Modern grenades are packed with steel ball bearings and are far more effective.

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>>33056958
because they have them

>>33056958
If it hurts it works.

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It if works, don't masturbate while screaming "heil Hitler" at the Nazi flag you have hanging from the cinderblock wall of your basement as the smell of plywood fills your snubby nostrils.

>>33061136
Sure they have. What do you think they kill hostages with?

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>>33057766
Their cute like chubby short german nades

>>33062137
harmless non lethal gas

>>33062146
with bullets fag

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>>33058065
>can you imagine shoving that up your ass?

/k/ a magical place

>>33061402
pretty sure they score the inside of the grenades so they fragment uniformly anon. can think of any hand held grenades containing ball bearings

I love grenades. Do you love grenades?
I wish I could start my own grenade collection. Like women who collect tupperware shit but with grenades. Then I'd invite my friends and show them my grenades until they'd bored to death.

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>>33063750
The Yugoslav M75 does, among others. It's either scored frag liner, scored wound wire like in the M26 or embedded ball bearings in modern designs.

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>>33063890
Me too and I would never get bored of you collection.

>>33056958

Because it still kills shit and they have massive stockpiles left over from back in the day.

>7.62x54r was first adopted in 1891
>9mm was first adopted in 1908
>.45ACP was first adopted in 1905
>Ma Deuce has been fucking shit up since 1923
>RPG-7 wrecking shit since 1961

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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>>33058073

>>33056958
>grenade explodes
>shrapnel goes places, probably kills someone

Where's the problem?

>>33057002
dumb phone poster

>>33057887

FN in Belgium made a rifle grenade back in the 70's that was pretty awesome.

In its basic form, you grasp it like a smoke grenade, pull the pin, and throw it; spoon pops off like a regular frag grenade and it detonates after 5 seconds.

Want more range/precision? A bullet trap base with spring-loaded fins snaps on over the fuse assembly; it locks on just like the 3-lug mount on an MP5, just push, twist, and it's mounted. Now you can fire it off your rifle as a rifle grenade; the pin and spoon remain untouched, firing it off a rifle has enough force to break loose an intertial (no spring) firing pin that slams into a primer, detonating it on impact. Throwing it by hand doesn't produce enough force for impact detonation, so it's safe to carry around.

Another cool feature: if you didn't deploy the tail fins, you could grip the tail assembly, pull the pin, and throw it like a stick grenade. The only downside to this is that there's no way to hold the spoon in place until you let go of the grenade, so you better throw that bitch the second you pull the pin.

It's basically a hand grenade that doubles as a rifle grenade with just a few seconds to pull out the tail fin assembly, snap it on, and slide it onto the end of your muzzle; since it uses a bullet trap, you don't need to change magazines, adjust your gas system, or anything. The tail assembly even had a flip up grenade sight; flip it up to aim the grenade, and when you fire it off, the sight snaps back down so it doesn't create drag as the grenade flies through the air.

By all accounts, it worked beautifully, though it was a little bulkier than a standard hand grenade and slightly more expensive than either a conventional hand grenade or conventional rifle grenade, but FN argued the military could save money on tail assemblies since a lot of them wouldn't be used and could be held onto for later. This was when most militaries were abandoning rifle grenades for 40mm grenades, so it got shelved.

>>33056958
What really kills me is that they still use that bulky dumb adaptation of a WW1 impact fuse.
But as pretty much everyone in this thread has said already, it just werks

>>33057838
Anon, the M249 was commissioned in the year 1984. That's 33 years ago

>>33064785
What really kills me are grenades.

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I having nothing to add to this thread but this pic

>>33057471
>Buy a rock at a hardware store.

Fuck you.

>>33063911
I stand corrected.

>>33057930

or make it disc shaped so you can throw it like a frisbee

>>33058065
>>33057770
I think this thread is offensive


>>33057959
I love this thing

>>33057754
We had a wizard of an anon come on here and explained how it might work.

>Grenade has metal sleeves with holes.
>basic operation is simple science: gas will always expand through the weakest point.
>Sleeves when aligned with holes matching puts grenade into blast mode
>sleeves with holes not aligned turns it into a frag grenade.

>>33057967
Sometimes you need to use your frags as mines, sometimes you want to put it under a body or booby trap, or dead drop it down a hole, ect. A timer is alot easier to keep mechanical. Plus you dont want the enemy jamming your signals,triangulation of your signal, or worse hacking it to not go off when you want or to go off when you dont want.
Also modern forces wear ecms that would have to be changed out or altered, its a mess to make a wireless signalled nade.

>>33057967
>tfw your bluetooth grenade fails to pair with your smartwatch and the enemy throws it back at you

>>33066211
I think you mean the shrapnel.

>>33059633
So you just drilled an undersized hole and the bullet stops in it?

I thought most of them were a V or cone shape to trap the boolits?

>>33065467
He's talking about the M2

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>>33057994
>not cortex command

>>33066242
Impressive.

>>33066844
Blast overpressure.

Hollow organs get btfo

>>33062191
I think you missed the joke

>>33064158
do you have a name or link to that? Sounds cool but I can't find it