PAK-FA - the Russian view

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Aaz: (the former employee of Mig and Su construction bureaus)
Tatarin: I can't believe the lads that tinkered aka-stealth of PAK-FA dreamed the whole thing up and told: let's try this way and then we'll see
Aaz: I would never have been believed that too, if I had not the experience of Mig 1.44 development. They all shouted about stealth (which was designed to be achieved just though using of Radiation-absorbent material). As far as I know people, charged with PAK-FA's development, they are able to go the same way.
Tatarin: As far as I concerned, the serpentine duct, is not free
Aaz: Yep. The straight pass is shorten and the air stream have not the time to recover completely. That leads to losses of thrust. The Americans embarked that way with calm heart, because F-22 engines are oversized and they can spit on the trifle from Empire State Building.


The Raptors engines are oversized for its mass, so it can achieve the super-sonic speed without after-burning, but efficiency of the engines are reduced because of serpentine duct. It has miserable max speed and combat radius (without external tanks) for the craft of such class. The Penguin can not into SS without AB, and Chinese's hacks are just bananas. The PAK FA will be granted with supreme Thrust-to-weight ratio, proper air-dynamic, combat radius and max speed (about Mach 2). But we have problems with stealth - the best ECE ratio are bought at the cost of stealthy signature.

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>Does the miserable Irbis (Su-35 AI) are provided with LPI regime? No. So GTFO. You are retard and can not to realize that without the tech any craft with running AI turns into the beacon, crying "somebody, please, kill me". Or, sorry, I've just forgotten that drussian flea-crafts are not provided with stealth, so they can be detected also while their AI are off.

:That does not mean that F-35 will not be detected (by proper AA system) before they reach their attack line.

::They do without AEW&C

:::Why without AEW&C? Let's simulate the combat also without missiles or fighters at all.

::::Implying that the AEW&C can not be suppressed by another means.

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>>33035136
/wm/ is twice more adequate than /k/, the only internet source about PAK-FA worth translating is paralay forum.

Every body knows the plane is shit.

They should've just bought Chinese.

>>33035142
So this is where our local armatafag gets his retarded notions

>>33035152

Nope. Nonetheless PAK FA is supreme for Chinese's shit-craft. Flaws of engines and AI turns it in just nicely loooking toy.

иди нaхyй дeбил. пpocтo иди нaхyй.

>>33035136
So the russians have a better debate on the PAK-FA than /k/ has on the F-35?
Then again, we have noth chinks and ruskies here shitting up the F-35 threads.

>>33035278

I've realized that all AIB are the same. Abyss of shit-storm, chinks, un-adequacy, reservation of Pollyanna worlds of all sorts and shades. But still have some thrilling posts and opinons.

2ch shits on anything made by China and Russia.
Their leftist "analysis" is worthless.

>>33035136
It's me or this plane has the size of a football pitch?

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>>33036018

yep,. PAK FA is a heavy fither, due to Russian territory it has to cover large space and carry much fuel.

Aren't the new engines supposed to be near ready?

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>>33036408

The PAK-FA engines of the 2nd stage is a /wm/ meme for a long time ago, becouse of huge delays, which can be comparied with Penguin IOC. They are promised to be ready in 2012. It's ridiculous situation when the plane are tested without its engines on such stage. As far as I concerned, the engines will be done not no sooner than 2020.

The sad story is also with PAK-FA missles and its AIR (Irbis)is already obsolete in comparison with APG-77/81

>>33035136
Bitten in the ass rooster from 2ch/wm/t-50general, now at /k. Пepeд кeм ты тyт пaяcничaeшь, мaнькa? Mecтo твoё y пopaши.

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>>33037170
>Typical pidorashques vatnique vulgaris reporting in.

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>>33037269
>Get bitten in the ass at /wm
>Run away to /k, get bitten in the ass again
Like clockwork.

>>33037544

Onlu ruzkie still get butthurt ITT for no reason.

>>33035278
Not really. It's the exact same shit as here except with more needless swearing. You know how russians are.

>>33035152
Not really. The chinese always try to blindly copy (or rather compete directly with) the US for some reason. Russians do their own thing and follow their own doctrines and priorities.

>>33035136
Maybe a bit unrelated but where will it carry munitions? Does it have internal bays?

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>>33038492

yep. PAK FA has internal bays for 8 pic babes

up

>>33038571
I'm pretty sure it's two tandem bays and two triangular mono bays near the wing root. Same capacity as the F-22 and the J-20.

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>>33040134

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>>33040344
Is there any pictures of the bays open?
Looks to me like two center line tandem bays and two smaller bays near the wing root.
The question is how much you can stuff in there.
All you can find on the internet is fan made CGI and people guessing away counting pixels.

>>33040428

No. PAK-FA still hide its inwards. No demonstration of the bays was performed.

>>33035278
There is no debate to had for the f-35. It is a lemon, period.

This retarded meme about how bad Chinese engines are is 10 years out of date.

>>33040823
It's totally true though.

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>>33036018
>>33036265

The Su-T50 is slightly smaller than an Su-27 but is able to carry up to 1000 kilograms more fuel (9300 for Su-27 and 10300 for Su-T50).

Not as much as the Su-35S or the Su-34 though, those have monsterous reserves of 11500 and 12100 KG respectively.

>>33036500

LMAO, the Su-T50 is equipped with the N036, not the N035 and the Type 30 engine has allready been flown on a Flanker testbed and is slated to be test flown on a T-50 later this year.

>>33040691

Pffffffff hahahahahahaha, well meme'd.

>>33035152
OK so:

1. Russians build Su-35
2. Chinese steal Su-35
3. Russians buy Chinese Su-35

Is that correct?

It seems /k/ is aware that the Su-35 is at least a competent fighter, the PAK FA is just an Su-35 with more fuel, better avionics and a lower RCS. So why does everyone hate it so much? Just because it has a high cross section compared to western designs?

>>33035191
>>33038173
we got some hardcore dumb fucks in here.

>>33041691
PAKFA is now an Su-35? Who knew!

>>33041039
You really need to stop using that made up name for the PAK FA.

>>33042528
Why the fuck are you even talking about? "Buy Chinese" he said, last time I checked the J-20 wasn't up for export, the J-31 never went past prototype and the Su-35 is the next best thing they have.

>>33041691

No. Russians don't buy any foreign manned military planes. And Chinese still don't steal Su-35

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>>33041039
>Su-T50 is equipped with the N036, not the N035

Yep. My fault. But there still no details about *Belka*, we know only that it's AESA AI.

>Type 30 engine is slated to be test flown on a T-50

I'd don't fully trust to states of rus military. I expect ney delays in tests.

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Serial PAK-FA with Type 30 engines may be given with serpent dukts.

>>33043470
>Buy Chinese
He forces that in half of threads.

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>>33042557

You are right, i should use the actual designation for the plane itself; T-50.

>>33046240

>I'd don't fully trust to states of rus military. I expect ney delays in tests.

Lol, every modern fighter program has delays and no doubt the engine tests will slip towards early 2018 but with the engine allready been flown on a Flanker testbed, it shouldnt be that hard to mount it on a T-50.

>>33046266

I doubt that. Something that fundamental would've been introduced very early on if not from the start because of effects it would have on the entire aircraft and changes in performance.

>>33041789
I believe you are correct

>>33042517
okay kiddo

>>33046361
Shouldn't you be busy sucking sparks dick?

>>33047090

Lol, am i triggering you? Go and tweet about it bro. #Triggered

>>33046361
>I doubt that. Something that fundamental would've been introduced very early on if not from the start because of effects it would have on the entire aircraft and changes in performance.I doubt that. Something that fundamental would've been introduced very early on if not from the start because of effects it would have on the entire aircraft and changes in performance.
Well, they will change engines, and this will have a much more fundamental effect on the entire aircraft and its performance.