Notice in the first couple of seconds of this video that the

Rather use a HMG.

>>33027316
>How hard is it to hit a moving target with an RPG?
Pretty hard, but it looks like he bounced it off the ground about 50m before the target which probably didn't help at all.

>>33027316
>How hard is it to hit a moving target with an RPG?

pretty damn fucking hard ....

Probably incredibly difficult.

>>33027316
Probably not. Its a tough shot. Play arma to see how hard.

>>33027331

>Hey, Mohammed, watch me Skipping-Stone this motherfucker

>>33027325
Which has very little chance of stopping the vehicle unlike an AT grenade.

>>33027339
>Which has very little chance of stopping the vehicle

>.50 rounds punching through the car
>.50 rounds punching through the driver

>>33027339
an HMG is gonna fuck up the engine pretty fast

Hell, it'll do more damage than an RPG

No idea how these muslims lose so much shit against VBIED's

How is ISIS even filming this shit

Do those dinky store bought drones even go up that high?

Can you imagine being that sentry?

>Clearly far enough away from the explosion to live
>Bunch of people you know dead
>All because you missed the VBIED
>Literally the biggest moment of your life, you fucked it up, people died and you can never change that.

Jesus christ, how could you live that down? Not that it is your fault or he did something terrible, but you know if they dude is alive he lays awake at night thinking about it sometimes.

>>33027360
Your $20 Walmart one? No.

An actual DJI Phantom? Yes.

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>>33027316
>How hard is it to hit a moving target with an RPG?

extremely, especially that fast

>You think you could've made that shot?

no

>>33027339
>hmg
Nigger, I don't think you understand what a fucking .50 cal is all about.

1 .50 through the engine will mess it up.

>>33027357
HMG is only going to work if the vehicle isn't armoured and you need to hit either the engine in a significant location or the driver. There's a lot of the vehicle that's inert, and you're landing even less rounds on it because it's moving.

Why do you think VBIED's are so successful if you imagine HMG's, which are one of the most prevalent weapons in the area, exist and are used?

>>33027335
oh shit, I guess they need to hire me to train RPG gunners for the YPG

>>33027357
I've yet to actually see a VBIED stopped with MG fire but I've seen them stopped with RPG's and ATGM's.

>>33027357
>an HMG is gonna fuck up the engine pretty fast
That doesn't matter at all, it still has momentum.
>Hell, it'll do more damage than an RPG
Absolutely will not do more damage than an AT grenade.

I know you guys don't know anything about physics or cars, but there you go.

>>33027428
Well, what happened? Did they die?

>>33027426
>That doesn't matter at all, it still has momentum.
Lots of momentum with a seized transmission no tires and a dead driver pinning the wheel to one side.

It's pretty incredible seeing the last stand of ISIS in Iraq.

VBIED's flooding out of hidden workshops, skies filling with consumer drones dropping grenades, constant information operations.

>>33027434
Pretty impressive material destruction

8 humvees and 4 trucks for 1 car and 1 jihadi

>>33027426
>That doesn't matter at all, it still has momentum.
I see you've never driven before. Unless you magically put the gear in neutral moments before the engine gets shot out, the vehicle is going to stop reasonably quickly, especially if the engine has been damaged in a way to make the mvoing components sieze up.

>>33027442
>seized transmission
I really don't know why you think this would occur.
>dead driver pinning the wheel to one side.
Oh, so we're going to rely on the chance the driver jerks the wheel to one side if he dies? Right.
>>33027459
Destroying an engine enough to stop it from running probably won't seize it.

>>33027316
I like how they did not had any road block, trenches or anything like it to prevent enemies to get that close to their base.

>>33027487
>I really don't know why you think this would occur.
Because it's in gear and connected to an engine that now is filled with holes and bullets. The transmission is also shot to shit and everything is leaking.

>Oh, so we're going to rely on the chance the driver jerks the wheel to one side if he dies? Right.

Rely? No.

When you shoot the driver the car doesn't keep driving it's self.

>>33027509
>Completely open surrounding area

>Road block

Did you think before you wrote that

>>33027316
>How hard is it to hit a moving target with an RPG?
very hard, those are made to hit slow moving objects at very short ranges
there are better options for fast moving targets

>>33027487
A bullet through a cylinder would surely destroy any clearance between it and the piston. Any damage to the cooling system would weld the parts together.

>>33027487
Even if it hasn't seized, if it's in gear it will stop pretty quickly. If you've driven a manual transmission you'll understand. Imagine rolling down a hill in neutral versus 2nd or 3rd gear. If you're in neutral, you aren't engaging the flywheel. In gear, transmission is paired to the flywheel and if the engine shuts off, you'll come to a stop more slowly since your momentum is now being transferred through the transmission and into the engine, instead of the flywheel spinning freely.

Given that it's probably an SUV with an automatic transmission, there aren't going to be many times when it's out of gear, I don't think it's a stretch to say it'd stop pretty quickly once the engine dies out.

>>33027519
sir, a base taht small could be srrounded by obstacles easily, may them be concrete ones, steel, or even goddamn sandbags pilled over each other...even a trench. we are not talking about building a wall around Murica, just a wall around your buildings

>>33027512
I think you'd be surprised what kind of damage an engine can continue to run with, never mind continue to rotate with. Do what you want, I wouldn't bet my life on an HMG to kill a VBIED. I'd at least give myself a chance with an AT weapon.
>>33027521
Do you know how long it takes to seize an engine through heat? And no, it doesn't weld itself together.

>>33027432
what do you think

>>33027538
You mean like the wall that's around it.

Like the wall the vehicle crashes into when it tries to enter the base

>>33027538
......like the wall it has around it?

>>33027434
wow that smoke cloud and camera angle, literally movie tier

>>33027445
What is happening out there? There's not a lot of news nowadays. The Middle East General is long on endless tripfag attention whoring, but short on real information.

>>33027556
You're looking at it

>>33027521
>Any damage to the cooling system would weld the parts together.
that takes minutes if not hours not seconds

>>33027360
CIA has the best toys

>>33027548
you mean the wall that did not go around the whole building and that the agressor had to move around? yeah, there was a reason he went around the wall.

>>33027542
OK Einstein, the scenario is a fucked up engine, as said in >>33027426. Tell me how a vehicle would maintain momentum without unreasonable assumptions.

>>33027569
You know these places need to have entrances for people to drive in and out of. There's a reason it's normally the place attacked and not a random stretch of wall.

>>33027428
That explosion looks pretty damn fake.

>>33027556
ISIS getting their arse kicked, but like the anon said making their last stand by sending literally all their explosives and all their willing fighters out in VBIED's.

There's just small pockets of ISIS left in Syria and Iraq now, apart from south-east Syria along the river which is still a stronghold but also desolate desert.

ISIS has started sending a few fighters to Afghanistan to claim land from the Taliban.

>>33027538
Can you not see him crashing into the wall.

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>>33027580
reality is fake

>>33027542
>I'd at least give myself a chance with an AT weapon.
And you miss. Now what?

AT weapons are for tanks. You use machine guns and/or autocannons for light or unarmored vehicles.

>Do you know how long it takes to seize an engine through
.. massive damage and bullets being stuck inside?

>>33027360
isis has a ton of money

>>33027556
Based on the amount Jihad's and VBIED's being thrown around seems like their going all out in their last stand, doing as much damage as possible.

>>33027574
By being a 2-4000lb object on wheels?

I think what's being confused here is that you're thinking about it stopping eventually, while I'm talking about stopping it before it gets to you.

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>>33027544
he didn't went thru any wall, just went over a tiny fence.
Muricans, they want to build a wall, but cant even tell what a wall is.
pic related, not a wall

>>33027363
They would probably think its Allah's will and think nothing off it.

>>33027583

>ISIS has started sending a few fighters to Afghanistan to claim land from the Taliban.

doubt they actually sent anyone except like a handful of guys maybe. The "ISIS" in Afghanistan are former Taliban who went turncoat.

and I dunno if I'd say "small" pockets, but yeah ISIS is on the decline from all the pressure.

>>33027595
>By being a 2-4000lb object on wheels?
Which are flat, not spinning, twisted, pointing the wrong way or otherwise non functional.

>>33027574
Because the fucking driveshaft is fine. Its already going like 80mph, it weighs a ton. figure it out

>>33027606
All right, good luck hitting those tie rods with your MG.

>>33027563
Imagine being in that first HUMVEE on the left, the VBIED literally slows down next to you, you think "well shit" then he keeps rolling forward to the 3 vehicles and you slam it into reverse.

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>>33027583
ISIS's tactics in Mosul are pretty effective.

Over two thousand Iraqi and Kurdish forces killed since the assault on the city began. It's an absolute meat grinder.

>>33027619
Survivor's guilt out the ass man, hopefully you'll eventually find the silver lining though

>>33027616
>All right, good luck hitting those tie rods with your MG.
That's why I fire 10 rounds per second.

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>>33027576
they could make a smaller entrance, and you know it.
when you can race a bomb car straight into your base, your entrance is too big! also if youa re so hellbent on NOT digging a trench of building a wall, you could use like a dozen of those.

>>33027630
And how many have they lost?

>>33027579
damn, that looked like one of their humvees.

You can't be sure anymore

>>33027640
It doesn't get through the entrance

Seriously I think all you need to do is look closer at the video and see the VBIED crashing on a barrier when it tries to enter the perimeter.

>>33027605
They started sending fighters there, including foreign national jihadis they mentioned it on the PBS documentary.

But yeah the plan was/is to take stretches of Taliban strongholds as well as recruiting Taliban turncoats. They're having more success there then in Syria/Iraq atm though.

Well they have like sub 20 guys holding out till the last man in small towns and villages, so compared to last year with like 1000 men a town it's fairly small pockets.

In the YPJ/PKK films they mention they're seeing pockets of like 5 guys holding out a small village or part of a town.

Considering they keep sending their guys off in VBIEDs they're not big pockets anymore.

>>33027612
Exactly, the drive shaft is fine, and the engine and transmission are seized to all hell.

its gonna stop the car.

>HEY, ITS IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE TO STOP A HUMVEE FROM RAMMING INTO THAT BASE, GUYS

see, that's why you Americans need mexicans

>>33027595
Considering this is a wide open desert, that engine would be trashed thousands of yards away. Frankly, if you had said HMGs are useless because most VBIEDs are armored, you would have an argument, but you went for the stupid option instead.

>>33027661
>In the YPJ/PKK films

yeah but frankly despite being the friendly kurds they really enjoy the region standard of blatant exaggeration and propaganda. I wouldn't buy a lot of what they say at face value.

Having fired RPG's before I'd much rather have a .50 or even a .30. Also I'd have had some TCP barriers on the approaches to my base.

>>33027519

Tell that to the Irish Jabot Jacks.

Trenches also solve zombie outbreaks, but for humvees, trucks and cars:

Dig a two meter deep and two meter wide trench a 200 meters around your base and have pits spread out every 25 meters, have them act as vehicle traps and machine gun nests if needed.

Have only one main and one secondary escape check point along the trench where you need to move a slab of steel to act as a bridge for vehicles to roll in.

Unless they have tanks, all of the enemy vehicles will nose dive into the trenchabd get stuck unless they try some fast in the furious mad max dukes of havard thing with a truck with a ramp on it so they can do mad jumps.

---------

American bases largely didn't get suicide bombed effectively back in 2004 till the pull out due to earth works.

Imagine The look on the face of a Roman Soldier after showing him all of our cool moden tech magic shit, that still thousands of years later the best way to defend a camp is by digging holes.

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>>33027651
you just wont accept that was possible to stop that humvee with a obstacle, will you?
like, you see a humvee running thru a plywood fence and you are absolutely convinced it is a unstoppable menace

>>33027630
Yeah it's those VBIEDs, but they're going to run out of men. I think one video an Iraqi in mosul said they were seeing/hearing like 3-5 a day at one point.

The fact they've started having to use grenades strapped to their drones goes to show they're running out of men.

>>33027316
The troops holding that outpost should have cut the road with a ditch and created a bermed/sandbagged entry barrier which would force an attacker to halt then reverse before entering the compound.

The Middle East has lots of dirt. The locals use it poorly. Everyone not otherwise employed should be preparing dispersed fighting positions.

>>33027672
No, I actually know what it takes to stop a car by damaging it and I wouldn't be dumb enough to bet my life on an HMG doing that damage.

>>33027687
I don't think that has anything to do with them running low on fighters, it's just a capability they've been working on that now they have the opportunity to use (massed enemy forces at short range)

>>33027700
Rather you will bet it on a single shot.

>>33027684
Seriously, what are you even saying? Have you even watched that video? The VBIED crashes into the wall and then explodes.

>>33027684
No, me saying that you're dumb for telling me that the Iraqis should "simply" have built large earthworks around every single outpost they have doesn't mean I think Humvees are unstoppable.

>>33027684
>Humvee crashes into a wall
>It stops
>It can't go any further and explodes

What part of this is me telling you that Humvees can't be stopped.

I'VE JUST TOLD YOU TO LOOK CLOSER BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU IT STOPS.

>>33027700
A truck would be swiss cheese half a mile from the 50 cal firing at it.

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>>33027720
a trench would stop that humvee.
it would stop a truck.
it would stop your mom's fat arse.
just dig the goddamn trenches, you lazy fucks.
you talk like you are some female soldier

If anyone of those qt 3.14 PKK fighters need a safe haven my bedroom is available.

>>33027687
probably a hell of a lot easier to find a suicide bomber than to build a giant truck bomb

Gotta also imagine that a large fraction of them fail to hit a target

>>33027747
Who are you talking to?

Why are you talking to random anons like they're Iraqi soldiers?

>>33027413

Do you have any videos to share?

(Not being a faggot w/ "hurr durr muh proofs," I'm genuinely curious now, all I've seen posted on here were VBIEDs that made their mark)

>>33027727
so you just saying that even acknowledging that those earthworks could stop a humvee would be "stupid" to build them, because the american doctrine dictates that no american soldier will ever dig a hole in his life.
same goes to any kind of road block.

>>33027747
OK, we get it, you realized you're wrong and now you're pretending to be retarded and also pretending it was a trench v wall argument all along.

>>33027790
oh just go dig a hole, you little princess.
that base was hit because of poor planning.

>>33027588
It's always so crazy to see the people and vehicles getting the fuck out of there in the seconds before, and wondering if they made it. This one even has a goat trying to get away

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>>33027790
what is wrong with you?

>>33027507
I don't get it, was the one on the left distracting them or what?

>>33027567
>ISIS is CIA meme

I'm disappointed anon.

I have noticed in alot of these videos the FSA/SAA/Iraqi/US guys get away from the kill zone.

When they hit armored vehicles without proper security they probably got a kill, but most of these are combat ineffective, its just a waste of explosives.

>>33027625
Why is there no one on the gun? Are they just all chilling outside and end up running off? Same for most of these webms, do they not learn? Shouldn't it be obvious by now that there needs to someone who has his eyes open for car bombs?

>>33027579
Could the tank have survived that blast?
Or at least the occupants?

>>33027993
play close attention, you can actually see one of the MGs popping shots off. They shoot a bit, then just immediately flee.

>>33028048
I've seen a T-55 have an absolute cook off from a VBIED.

I've seen Abrams survive them basically unscathed.

That is a T-72. I'm not sure.

>>33027346
>>33027357
>>33027377
The. Vehicle. Is. Uparmored.

>>33028142
unless your driving a legit armored vehicle and not something simply "uparmored" then .50 API is going to fuck it up.

>>33027335
ive been playing arma for years and my squad makes me the AT and GL man. In arma i could have easily done that, irl hell no.

>>33027377
my grandpa's 190 got him back with 10+ hits to the engine when he attacked a b17 formation once. i know a radial engine is better for taking hits but still, even if you hit the engine the vbied isnt going to instantly stop

>>33028338
ill try to find the pic of the engine when i go to my parrents later

>>33027691

Would it also be a good idea to put about 4 or 5 command-detonated antitank mines under the place where an entering vehicle has to stop? Then, one guy with a pushbutton could take out an attacking vehicle, without having to get his timing exactly right.

BTW, this isn't the western front circa 1917. You don't need trenching tools to dig field fortifications anymore. It should be easy enough to use a backhoe to dig out your berms and ditches around any kind of semi-permanent position, in order to funnel ant approaching vehicles into a kill zone.

Not a combat engineer, but I sound like one on the internet.

>>33028142
That's nice, but that's not what the argument is about.

>>33028354
Did you even bother watching the video? There is a wall, it did its job. The vehicle hit it, couldn't go any frther, then exploded.

>>33027316
You need a well trained gunner to score a hit on a moving target.

That sentry was most likely not well trained and in panic so his chance to score a hit was very low to begin with.

>>33028307

bruh it's the most satisfying feel ever nailing something with the RPG42. Hit a helicopter once at like 500m, just took a shot in the dark as it started to hover for a landing b/c it was broadside to me. Though to be fair I've missed many shots before that.


My understanding of it IRL though is that unguided rockets are not exactly the most stable projectiles and they tend to "wobble" and skip off of things. WAY fucking harder in real life if that's the case.

>MSR completely unguarded

Fucking arabs, i swear

>>33027613
>>33027625

Why don't they spread out their vehicles more?

If you know there are suicide bombers about it would make sense to not make a gigantic fucking target by parking all your shit in a row.

>>33028338
For some reason I thought you were talking about a Mercedes 190E and I was wondering what the hell was going on.

>>33027973
Isn't that a good thing they aren't killing anyone?

>>33027316
>How hard is it to hit a moving target with an RPG?
How much lead and elevation gunner should have applied in this shot?
1. He shots PG-7MV.
2. He shots AT-4.
You have only 3 seconds to answer this.

>>33027363
insh'allah

>>33028622
>heading, speed, distance not given.

>>33027445

All we need is for China to decide to remove kebab and we have C&C Generals

>>33027316
Why can't arabs into war?

>>33027428
>Those guys backing up, knowing they can do fuck all for their friends

Jesus

>>33027784
it could just drive over the whole if it goes fast enough.

>>33028770
>Iraq
>Soldiers are friends

Pick one, they quite literally do not care.

>>33028800
Depends on if they came from the same village.

>>33028052
also, if you watch right before the explosion happens, the gunner gets out and into the building just in time. Hopefully hes okay. Last guy out of the kill zone after being the only one doing his job properly.

all these civilians wondering why these guys don't have better fortifications.

First and main reason is laziness which is no excuse but it is what it is. These fuckers just smoke hashih all day and barely even patrol. Sleep on post and sit on the cell phone the entire time watching american porn.

Second reason is they don't have the resources to dig trenches everywhere they go. They don't have an extensive and established logistics system with combat engineers like we do. They could dig by hand but see reason 1.

And lastly, we don't know the context of theses patrol bases. They may have been recently established and didn't have time or manpower with patrols to conduct to also prep defenses. We would move all the time in afghan to new patrol bases. Often times we have to make due without sandbags and just stealing or borrowing local hand made tools to put a hole in the wall for snipers and shit. You guys act like they have 10 main bases when you don't realize there are probably a couple thousand small little patrol bases moving around as they take control of different areas so things don't look so great. But mostly they are just lazy.

So why is there no footage of this quality of Isis getting killed?

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>>33028711
>implying they would be given for gunner

>>33027459
>>33027521
>>33027512

Hasn't anyone here push started a car before? Or had a car die on them while moving?
You'd have to be very lucky for the engine to seize.

>fluids leaking
that doesn't matter. you could drain your oil, drain your coolant, drain your atf, throw away your radiator, and take out a couple of your spark plugs and your car would still probably run for 50 miles depending on what kind of engine you have.

cars, especially trucks that have an extra 2 tons of steel plate bolted onto them, have a lot of momentum and will continue to turn the engine over for many, many revolutions if they die going 40 mph.

also, standards are way more common in countries outside the US so as long as the driver has the presence of mind to depress the clutch, "magically shifting to neutral" isn't really that big a deal.

shooting the driver, preventing him from steering or detonating the device? sure. taking out the tires? sure. but I would not trust a hole in the block to stop a vehicle barreling towards me as fast as the driver can go, redlining the engine and without concern for his safety.

Remember, a car doing 50 will cover 500 feet in less than 7 seconds.

>>33028902

/k/ doesn't allow webms with audio

http://thepianomaker.tumblr.com/post/157368037316/sop-for-dealing-with-a-vbied-is-as-follows-1

>>33028202
.50 APi will penetrate around 25mm RHAe at 10meters which shouldnt be that hard to uparmor against

>>33028902
I guess because the anti-ISIS guys are actually focusing on killing ISIS than making PR shots?

>>33027394
That's not correct at all. Damage enough elements of the chassis, an axle, the drivetrain, suspension or even the tires and you can render the vehicle practically inoperable. Basically shooting center mass with .50 will ruin a vehicle.

There's also the possibility of detonating or destroying all or portions of the IED itself which would have much of the same effect.

>>33028902
see
>>33028974

>>33027316
>How hard is it to hit a moving target with an RPG?
very
>You think you could've made that shot?
no

A KPV or ZU-23 would have a better chance at stopping that durkamobile.

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>>33027316
>how do I play turret defense

>>33029006
my niggles.

>>33027413
We stopped an average of 4 a month in Iraq with M2's. In 3 years we only had 1 VBIED make it to a checkpoint, and that's because it was a ghetto-armored cement truck that ate 4 AT4's, dozens of 40mm HEDP, and hundreds of .50 rounds before detonating not-at-but-close-enough to the ECP (considering its 20,000+lbs of ANFO in the mixer) after sliding 150m on its side.

>>33027394
The vast majority of vehicles over there are manual transmissions. Fuck the engine or transmission and the thing either stops or flips/rolls pretty fucking fast, shoot the driver and they don't detonate (they're too poor/stupid/lazy for deadman switches and most of them aren't third-party detonated).

HMG's stop them quite well.

>>33027434

Man, Command & Conquer: Generals 2 is looking pretty good.

>>33028967
Right but these are cheap, untrained and largely idiotic sandniggers who keep losing literal tanks to infantry forces because they're too dumb to maintain their shit or deploy it effectively

>>33027434
>literally can't be assed to close the gate
>hurr why do we keep getting BTFO?

>>33027523
>Suppressive fire to keep everyone's heads down while the VBIED charges in

They're fucking learning.

>>33027580
No it doesn't. Hollywood has trained you to think fake explosions look real.

>>33029040
im not saying .50 wouldnt be effective
im just saying that many people largely overstimate .50

25mm RHA isnt alot and thats at 10meters without angle
but apart from that yeah arabs are retards and a proper gunner + M2A1 should be enough to stop a VBIED especially on a large open desert like in the webm

>>33027434
>>33027455
Interesting that with all their technology and superiority US can't stop ISIS Airforce from operating.

>>33027663
Not in time it won't. In most of these videos they don't realize the VBIED is coming until it's hardly more than 100 meters away.

Seriously, if you think 50BMG is the right way to stop these VBIEDs loaded down with 10 tons of plate armor, you're an idiot.

>>33028955
Are SF attached to competent units or just what ever their command sends them to?

>>33029062
There is video of drone bombing, in one clip after grenade hits groups of arabs they like "wtfomg" and from another angle VBIED slips unnoticed on them.

>>33027672
>Considering this is a wide open desert
In most of these videos, the line of sight to the VBIED is obstructed by buildings until it is very close to the target.

>>33027576
>"entrance" is a third of their entire fucking perimeter
>no gate, barricade, or other obstacle
B-BUT THEY NEED AN ENTRANCE!

There's a reason US ECP's/VCP's have a couple hundred meters of S-barricades and entrances that are just barely big enough. It's specifically to keep EXACTLY THIS from happening.

>>33029097
its pretty hard to find a 1x1 meter drone desu

>>33029097
Pretty fucking hard to find drones the size of garbage can lids that are in the air for less than 30 minutes and require no runway. Especially the electric ones that're mostly plastic and give off basically no heat or radar return.

>>33027973
>I have noticed in alot of these videos the FSA/SAA/Iraqi/US guys get away from the kill zone.
Seemingly. But getting concussed that hard is probably killing a lot of the guys who seemingly get away.

>>33029144
>ISIS Air Force went stealth

>>33028052
Impossible, this thread has taught me that MGs would shred these heavily armored VBIEDs stopping them in their tracks and are definitely the silver bullet to this problem.

>>33027534
my 58 chevy truck would do this, but almost every car these days can coast buddy. even in 58 you could have gotten a hydromatic and coasted in gear. your not wrong exactly but just not at all correct.

>>33029081
http://guns.wikia.com/wiki/Saboted_light_armor_penetrator
>34mm at 500m

https://web.archive.org/web/20160602134033/http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/mk211.htm
>11m w/explosive at 45 degrees @1000m

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>>33029193
11mm* forgot a m

>>33028947
>Hasn't anyone here push started a car before? Or had a car die on them while moving?
>You'd have to be very lucky for the engine to seize
You do realize people are talking about the engine seizing because of bullets mangling the engine, right? Not because they ran out of gas or whatever retarded premise you are thinking off.

>>33029193
>>33029200
SLAP isnt API man im aware that SLAP penetrates more but im also pretty sure the ragheads are only shooting 40 year old surplus
same goes for Raufoss

>>33027534
nah, it would still coast quite a bit, since I figure it has a open diff and would just freely roll, plus the trans is probably pretty slippy.
that and the weight isn't doing us any favors.
granted, it would stop eventually, but still.
granted, HMGing the shit out of a car would probably pop a tire.
the best answer is a MK19.

>>33029222
which in and of itself is retarded. just because the motors dead doesn't mean the car stops.
if you, going down the highway, turned your car off (if that was possible, key interlocks are a thing), you would coast, pretty far actually.

>>33029135
Then you're not going to stop it anyway. Besides, follow the quote chain and you'll see it's about the first video.

>>33029277
The cylinders and pistons being bent out of shape by the bullets' passage would take a lot out of that coasting.

>>33027563
>>33027579
>>33027588
>>33027613

man these guys SUCK at urban warfare...

>>33029280
Point is, HMG is not an effective defense against VBIED in the majority of these cases, if any.

>>33029301
>cylinders being bent out of shape
Dude have you ever even shot a gun before? They don't bend jack shit, let alone a fucking cast engine block. If anything it's going to crack, not "bend."

>>33029301
except the transmission and diff would slip enough to allow it coast, you'd probably shit off pinion teeth in the process.
again, MK19 is only solution.

>>33029353
>MK19
What sort of grenade would you use against these heavily armored VBIEDs?

>>33029378
HEDP. I highly doubt they have more than 2 inches of armor, and even if they do, fragmentation can still destroy components not armored.
you could even do a mixed belt of HEDP/HE.

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>>33028947
Once a .50 hits any major part of the engine you're going to do some serious damage to the drive train.

This is the front set of aluminum planetaries MELTING down in a 4l60E transmission. The little pieces of aluminum travel around the entire transmission getting grit in every clutch and even as far back to get to the rear planetaries which can make the whole transmission just shit the bed.

One .50 through the transmission would send plenty of pieces into important areas just cascading into multiple failures. Same if it hit the converter or flywheel.

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>>33027360
A Jewish (((Hollywood))) producer's son joined ISIS, he probably brought a shitload of expensive cameras and drones with him.

>>33029413
assuming you could hit it, anyway.
their vehicles sorta look like captured humvees which have the trans buried up in the cab, but due to shitty angles, I can't tell.

>>33029378
HEDP will fuck up even purpose built armored vehicles, even if they're not a 1-hit-kill.

Plus the possibility of dropping one under an edge and rolling the vehicle.

>>33029448
I think they mostly look like humvees because of the diy armor.
It kinda makes all cars look like blocks on wheels.

>>33028947
>Remember, a car doing 50 will cover 500 feet in less than 7 seconds.
And depending on the MG take between 70 and 100 rounds. Not that you are likely to hit 50 in the conditions encountered.

>.50 APi will penetrate around 25mm RHAe at 10meters
100m.

Which works out to just under 200kg for a 1m x 1m x 0.025m armor plate, and any vehicle with ghetto armor is a target the instant it's on the road.

>>33027472
These are like watching Gerard Butler movies

>>33029328
kinda hard to be good at warfare when your enemy looks just like you and does everything just like you.

>>33030007
>and any vehicle with ghetto armor is a target the instant it's on the road.
Watching most of these videos, the VBIEDs are typically not engaged until they are within 100 meters, if at all. It may be a "target" in a philosophical sense but unless your machine gunner sees it and is shooting at it, that doesn't count for shit.

What we really need is 24/7 total drone coverage, with drones able to map and track every vehicle in it's region. And ROE stating that any armored vehicle unregistered with the drone gets a missile up its ass. Expensive, but more humane than nerve gassing the entire region which is probably what we should actually be doing.

>>33029097
Why would they want to?
> It can tip off potential attacks
> It's unarmed and by itself poses little kinetic threat
> If you take the drone out and the attack succeeds you lose intel from IS's bullshit PR campaign to understand what happened

>>33028142
.50 ap round goes trough 1 inch of armor i doubt the cars had that much on

even theses >>33028167 >>33028193 would fail facing .50 hmg

>>33027590

Majority of it's financial support is from Gulf monarch states, yet apparently Iran is the biggest terrorist supporter according to Trump

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>>33029171
>He didn't fall for the stealth meme

>>33028193
fucking kek, thats one of the worst things to up-armor ever
>t. heavy eq operator

>>33027519
Couldn't they at least place the base entrance further from the road, with a "driveway" that would at least give the defenders a clear shot at any approaching vehicle?

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>Having guy on watchtower man it with an RPG
>Not any sort of reliable automatic weapon, capable of sustained fire

????????

>>33028071
How could anything that's armored not survive a VBIED, or any type of high-explosive for that matter?

>>33030510
Because not all VBIEDs are created equal, and some of them are approaching Hiroshima levels of high explosives in them?

I mean, in 3 years in Iraq I saw first-hand:
>cement truck full of around 20,000lbs of ANFO
>tractor trailer with standard 48ft box trailer completely full of 155mm artillery shells (~12.5lbs per, literally thousands of them)
>tractor trailer with standard 48ft box trailer completely full of ANFO in barrels, estimated 38,000lbs net explosive weight
>box truck completely full of homemade plastic explosive, estimated 8900lbs
>dump truck full of dynamite (actual, nitro-and-diatomaceous-earth dynamite)
>dump truck full of a mix of TNT sticks and ANFO
>SUV packed full of Soviet cratering charges
And they were far from the largest that've been used. I have heard stories but can't find documentation of a VBIED that was detonated just outside Balad's main ECP that was supposed to be over 100,000lbs of CompB packed into a double-dog semi rig, which would be around a 38KT yield.

>>33030738
welp, fuck my math skills.
>correctly calculated brisance difference between compB and TNT
>calculated tons as 2lbs instead of 2000
0.38kt.

>>33030773
this is why I joined the Air Force...

y'all got bigger balls than I do

>>33030738
>>cement truck full of around 20,000lbs of ANFO
>100,000lbs of CompB packed into a double-dog semi rig, which would be around a 0.38KT yield.
>>tractor trailer with standard 48ft box trailer completely full of ANFO in barrels, estimated 38,000lbs net explosive weight
sweet fucking christ
that's goddamn insane man. how the fuck did you stop those?
also
>VBIED 100-car unit train of coal hoppers full of ANFO

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>>33027434
Holy lol that nigga played too much command & conquer

>>33031160
Only way to not get erased from the world is to target the only means of delivering such a payload.

>>33031216
I wonder what that deathbomb train would register on yield, considering the fact that each car is full of like ~50 tons of ANFO

>>33027316
I have no fucking idea. Does anyone know how accurate RPGs are out to what distance?

300m accurate?

>>33029030
>Fuck the engine or transmission and the thing either stops
Yea, nah.

>>33031160
We didn't stop the cement truck, it took out a quarter mile of FOB wall.

Stopped both semi's with a liberal application of mk19.

Box truck was stopped by the combined fire of 2 .50's and 4 240B's in short order.

Dump truck full of dynamite ate several AT4's at around 300m and exploded, causing about a dozen frag-related injuries but no fatalities.

Mixed dump truck had a premature detonation and only killed a couple hundred feet of road.

SUV blew up in a market, killing about 250 Iraqi civilians and zero coalition/IA/IP forces, yay sectarian violence.

>>33031235
One in good shape with a skilled gunner is capable of reliably hitting a tank-sized stationary target 9 times out of 10 at 300m. On something the size of a civilian SUV I'd imagine that drops to about 7:10 hit chance.

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>>33031383
>yay sectarian violence.
They shopped when they should've shwooped.

>>33031383
>SUV blew up in a market, killing about 250 Iraqi civilians and zero coalition/IA/IP forces
And nothing of value was lost!

>>33030402
This. Noone could've made that shot with a freaking unguided RPG without shear blind luck.

MK19 or at least a .50 cal is what I'd want. But what do I know.

>>33030738
>100,000lbs of CompB

Where the fuck would you even get that? It's not like you can just scrape out a few grenades and shells and have that much.

>>33031719
My guess would be old arty/rocket arty/shit like SCUDs. A 155mm contains 12.7lbs of CompB, the chink Katyusha-clone rockets contained around 8lbs and there's literally millions of those in theatre, I'd hate to guess how many pounds would be in a SCUD warhead.

>>33027339
>>33027394
>>33027426

God you people are stupid.

HMGs have been known to disable battle tanks and completely fucking maul APCs and light armor.

A car, even with some crude sand nigger uparmor job has no chance against 2-3 bursts of 50 caliber fire.

The only reason you don't see it being use more often is these are undisciplined sand niggers who don't know the basics or gunnery or ballistics, or understanding of physics or anything other than being inbred, fickle goat-fucks, frankly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6haX5x7KQ

>>33031816
Wow this video of an M2 ruining a static target sure proved you right.

>>33030097

They suck at warfare in general.

Why do you think it's taking them years to fight minor skirmishes, involving only a few hundred combatants at most per battle?

>>33031865

>Physics no longer active when a vehicle is in motion

>>33029030
>ghetto-armored cement truck that ate 4 AT4's, dozens of 40mm HEDP, and hundreds of .50 rounds before detonating not-at-but-close-enough to the ECP (considering its 20,000+lbs of ANFO in the mixer) after sliding 150m on its side
Is there a more in-depth version of this story you can tell? For science.

>>33027553
>reality is literally as good as a completely fake thing that isn't real

Why are young people so stupid these days?

>>33031942
No because I wasn't present. I'd be dead if I was, it killed a lot of people.

I got a second-hand recount of the AAR and that's about it.

>>33027472
>>33027428
Who even lives here? There are houses all around and civilian cars parked in driveways, presumably with people in the houses.

>>33032080
Iraqi's, I would presume.

Not like there's a million+ people in the urban area that need somewhere to live, not like it's the third largest city in the entire region and 24th largest in the whole of the Middle East.

>>33032206
>regular Iraq city streets are patrolled by VBIEDs

lmao

>>33032313
We should have just let Saddam put people in meat grinders. It turns out that was actually doing the world some good, which says a lot about just how shit Iraqis are.

>>33032313
>Neighbourhood watch
>Uses VBIEDs.

>>33032394
Saddam didn't even do half the stuff we hear

Just gassed some kurds

>>33032678
>Saddam didn't even do half the stuff we hear

>yfw the evil madman you went to war with wasn't half as evil as you claimed and actually went easy on everybody
>yfw you realize WMDs are the only solution to this problem
>yfw thousands of your soldies died for nothing

>>33029035
Underrated comment

>>33027316
>Durkas can't be dicked to make a serpentine curve or other vehicular speed reduction device

>>33027363

It's a pretty difficult shot dude. At some point you have accept that shit happens.

>>33028555
glad I'm not the only one who thought that

>>33032047
He's not stupid, he's talking about the camera movement and angle they chose. It's one thing to make a video of your attack, but something completely different to make it a Hollywood tier shot with a drone to cover the whole beauty of the ANFO cloud

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>>33032766

Saddam is easily one of most fucked up post-WW2 dictators. He might not be as bad as Pol Pot, but Saddam and Iraqi Sunnis, Christians and other minorities that supported him back in the day collectively deserve all the shit they have gotten since Saddam was ousted.

>>33027630

Rush B Don't stop

>>33034076
In the middle of a wide open plain? Are you retarded?

>>33034193
I think at this point people are just complaining to complain, to desperately point out how they know better in hindsight from behind a keyboard.

>>33027339
lol what a retard

>>33027316
building the base directly next to the street is not the smartest thing to do

>>33027685
So much wrong with this video,
Wearing ghillie suit indoors, they could have at least swept away some dust so they dont give away their position and closing the door so the room is darker than ambient light outdoors...

>>33031251
You put a round though the cylinder the engine will sieze up and the wheels will lock.

>>33034308
that's not how that works anon
the only way of instantly stopping a VBIED or car trying to go through the gates is blowing it to shit, or those bollard/pole things they have in front of government buildings, which are built to catch the car and dissipate momentum.

>>33027472
No damage from that. Just a big fireball that went straight up.

It's really easy to attack uniformed enemy with bases and shit while you're a combatant dressed in civilian clothes, and the enemy isn't allowed to shoot people dressed like civilians.

>>33034148
you mom deserves the fucking rope for giving birth to you, you dumb piece of shit.

>>33027434

>Prepare to tell your three-eyed grandchildren of your defeat this day, General

>>33027648
ISIS has lost 2000-4000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mosul_(2016%E2%80%9317)

>>33034401
>and the enemy isn't allowed to shoot people dressed like civilians.

Yes they are.

>>33034467
There are 1.5 billion Sunni Muslims.

>>33027507
Another Benghazi? Fucking Hillary never quits, does she?

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>>33028193
WAAAGH!

>>33027316
FYI that vehicle was going over 60mph. RPG's only have optical windage adjustments of vehicles only going lesser speeds of about 25mph. Also most optical sights are discarded for the fixed iron sights. Most people are not trained to hit moving targets

>>33034333
Nah. You seize the motor or tranny the drive wheels lock up.

>>33027459
If I'm driving in 6th and I let off the accelerator I keep going for quite a long time.

>>33035054
But have you done that after having your engine shot with a burst of .50?

>>33035007
Nope.

>>33035229
Even if he was compression braking, which will stop a car faster than an engine that cannot because it's full of holes or destroyed connecting rods, it'd still go pretty far.

Children! Stop tossing out guesses about seized engines and friction welding. You are ignorant of the subject, and simply guessing wrong 100% of the time.

Yesterday I saw a F150 in an accident. It tore the front end of a Subaru off completely, bounced off another f150 and kept going. At this point oil and coolant is everywhere the driver is ejected at the first crash.

Truck going full tilt, over the curb, taking out the oil pan. Past sidewalk and over a 5-6 foot earthen birm. It's like fucking dukes of hazard, for a second I can see the entire undercarriage.

Bouncing ahead, it tears through a small stand of pine trees and veers right at the apartment building. Clips the corner, opening a hole to a terrified old lady's bedroom. Veers off toward the parking lot destroying the covered parking structure, dragging part of it across to the other side of the lot, and coming to rest on top of a mid size import.

This covered about 200 yards from initial crash, driverless and was on fire for about half that distance. This started at 45-50mph, but the engine damage throttled the engine which continued to run after coming to a stop.

I'm not sure 50 cal is up to the task. I have been in a car with a seized crank, it keeps rolling in gear. My friend threw a rod and we started the engine with a hole in the side of the block and a piston rod flapping around.

Imagine an armored, crazed jihadi going full blast, and you're poking half inch holes, hoping to god that the thing grinds to a halt before you grab your ass and bug the fuck out

>>33027472
>that dude on the roof trying to run away then getting tossed 3 buildings over

>>33035286
>Hakim, how do we stop our engines getting shot?
>Easy brother.
>FIVE
>FUCKING
>ENGINES

>>33035311

FYI, a seized motor has the same effect of a stalled engine. If you've stalled a highway speed, you know the drive wheels keep on turning

>>33035311
Kill the driver or hope to connect with the payload in a way to set it off, to be honest.

Whether that requires an AT4 or a shitload of .50, who fucking cares. Nigger-rigged Toyota screaming towards your position? Light that fucker up with as much as you've got, running ain't going to do shit.

>>33027432
even if the apc were to manage to stay up in one piece it would be like a bent up cola can

>>33034148
?
Yea God damn that evil man who improved his country
A million+ dead in civil war plus a destroyed economy is a much better outcome for Iraq

This is why the west is dying, anyone who actually loves his country is the villain

>>33027685
kek'd so hard to that spotters shiny watch. While he is at it he might as well wear an ir strobe for fashion.

>>33028202
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1151

this is good against .50cal in all but point blank being hosed down at the windows range.

That humvee had elements of uparmor on it.

Now you know.

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>>33032612

cba to read the whole thread

i carry an m3 maaws and hitting moving targets beyond 20km/t is insanely hard, also heat missiles is a fucking bitch

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>>33027316

Who is ISIS bombing in this picture?

I know the YPG/SDF has gotten a lot better at defeating SVBIED's over time. A few years ago every attack looked like this all over Syria. It was one of ISIS's biggest tools in their box and a large part of the reason they were so successful in that time period. SVBIED's to cause disarray then send shock troops with armor in to overrun.

To answer your question, OP. Since then, the Kurds and the regime (to an extent) have jumped leaps and bounds in protection against such attacks. In the most basic terms, they learned to use a sorta mosaic defense: multiple check points with multiple RPG slingin' soldiers on from positions outside the check points--- the RPG's have overlapping fields of fire and, when applicable, are both in elevated positions and on the ground. A sort of multi-layered trip wire defense scheme.

Of course there's a more tactical side to it and I can go find a good analysis of this defense learning process if ya want.

But the simple fact that factions in Syria dedicated time and extensive planning should highlight just how effective a fast moving armored vehicle is and just how hard it is to hit. Today, SVBIED's are still somewhat effective, but the rate that they make it to their target has fallen significantly due to 1337 tactical shiz.

>>33031865
Wow, good thing we're talking about a device that is literally made to put down large volumes of fire. Now how could that trait make shooting even moving targets doable? What in the very OP video did we see fail to stop the vehicle in its first shot and not be able to be used again soon enough before the target blew itself up? What could have possibly been a better tool to allow a much quicker and repeated followup? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...

>>33027580
gb2/v/ retard

>>33035392
>I can tell from a grainy drone vid exactly what kind of vehicle type the bomber used, also my link says literally nothing about it being completely impervious to .50 fire
This post encapsulates how full of knownothing retards this thread is. Also, it's only parts of the turret that are rated against 12.7mm. The more you know.

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>pay billions in tax to keep jets in the air
>jihadists just strap bunch of explosives on a car and go drifting
>same outcome
theyre so further developed

>>33034408
>>33035370
were you people born in 2001 or something? Jesus fucking christ, do some research on the shit that Saddam did. There's a reason the US. executed him

>>33027580
Apparently they've been loading gasoline cans in the vehicles along with explosives for better looking drone shots, same as Hollywood.

>>33035428
>should highlight just how effective a fast moving armored vehicle is and just how hard it is to hit.
Also it highlights "you train as you fight again". Conventional training for AT gunners doesn't include such fast moving and often smaller then tanks targets. As result gunners have no proper skill set and commanders have no understanding of weapon systems real capabilities against such targets.

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>>33028193
>that flat tire

>>33027335
Arma RPG aren't even affected by wind.

>>33027567
Putin please go fuck yourself.

>>33035489
Considering the current shit going down right now across the entire Middle East we all done fucked up I'd say.

At least if he was still in power the place would have some sense of balance. As in he would not tolerate this whole ISIS/ISIL shit threatening his way of life and would SCUD(did he still have any working ones left post gulf war?)the fuckers en mass civilian casualties be dammed.

Which we all know the West doesn't have the balls to. Russia yes any other NATO country fuck no we're l too soft I say.

>>33027316
is it me or the VBIED couldn't enter the base and therefore it didn't kill anybody?

>>33035489
>yeah the entire ME region has been thrown into destabilization and violent chaos due to the massive power vacuum left from Saddam Hussein's removal from power and millions have been left dead, wounded, and homeless, but that guy was a big meanie!
Wew

>>33035443
A automatic grenade launcher?

Those are pretty hard to carry around, though.

>>33031816
>maul apcs
>disable battle tanks

hahahahahahaha

a .50 bmg round can pen about 25mm (2 inches) of rolled steel AT MOST

that's nothing compared to thicknesses of modern apcs and mbts, which don't even use rolled steel

>>33030109
>nerve gas

the entirety of the middle east and north africa should have been glassed on 9/12/01 and we should have spent a year mopping up with nerve gas

Let's put it straight we went for the oil but justified it by saying supposed terrorism "links" and he's a Dictator.
Now cause I can tell you there is a dozen of them out there who needs to be just fucking dead like right now and Saddam was the fucking least keep the bigger monster alive to fight the other smaller worse ones

>>33030109
I second the nerve gas.

>>33031871
What and American done better in mogadishu?

>>33032612
>when achmed catches you out buying skittles and tea

>>33027360

Fucking kek normie, if you ever needed more evidence that isis is nothing but a front for Cia fuckery, directly funded and trained by us, there it is...

should have had a RPG closer to the road cus it's easier to hit something coming right at ya

>>33036196
They bought extremely common non toys r us drones, thus they are CIA equipped and trained?

Dude....am I CIA trained?

>>33036276

Youre assuming that those are normal drones, i dont buy that, but thats besides the point, kike. Ragheads don't buy and operate anything electronic because they are subhuman with room temp iqs. Nor do they make such slick video edits. That's the work of white men, pedophile drug running Cia scum white men, maybe like you.

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When you're terrified and expecting to die it hard to keep a steady aim.

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>>33027434
>wearing a suit jacket over multicam

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>>33027316
>How hard is it to hit a moving target with an RPG?
Pretty hard. They should have put out some obstacles (or mines) to force any vehicle coming close to the camp to slow down and do some tights turn.

Has to sucks to be that guy on post with the RPG if one gets through and BTFO your mates.

>>33036302
>dey be 2 dum 2 fly, jew

Wew, you sure convinced me with those hot opinions.

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>>33036302
>only white people can use electronics

>>33035672
>Arma RPG aren't even affected by wind.
or the temperature of the gunpowder.

ISIS has been sending in one truck bomb, then sending in a second - except the second is full of their troops. So everyone is running away, and all of a sudden out of the car pops some baddies

>>33028142
"bulletproof" windshields will not stop more than a couple rounds of .50
the debris flying into the cab from the impact will likely fuck them up plenty

>>33027428
Where the fuck is the infantry? If i where a vehicle crew i rather just dismount and try to clear the area on foot then go into a city in some hsitty slav armor without any infantry support.

>>33027588
Kek that goat was smart.

>>33029062

Poor man's artillery strike.

>>33035611

Yeah, that's gonna be a bitch to swap out.

>have access to unlimited amount of remote controlled drones
>have to drive the cars themselves.
kek

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>>33028955
>/k/ doesn't allow webms with audio
>that audio

In all this videos showing VBIED's vs convoys, wtf are the gunner's doing? I mean they have ~30 seconds warning that the IED is coming, and they just let it drive up to them. Sometimes 1-2 guys shoot once or twice at it, but thats it.

Like this one for instance;
>>33027563
I count 6 humvees, they all see the IED for ~15 seconds or more, and not one shoots at it. What are the gunners doing? Do they even have gunners?

>>33030738
>>tractor trailer with standard 48ft box trailer completely full of 155mm artillery shells (~12.5lbs per, literally thousands of them)
That just seems wasteful. Wouldn't it be better to make thousands of ordinary IED with those instead?

>>33027428

In that situation do you try to bail out and run or brace and hope the armor is enough?

>>33027434

Anyone else think this would be a fun videogame?

>>33034617
>FYI that vehicle was going over 60mph. RPG's only have optical windage adjustments of vehicles only going lesser speeds of about 25mph. Also most optical sights are discarded for the fixed iron sights. Most people are not trained to hit moving targets
And all manuals showing how to align your sights for moving targets are for targets going slow, medium or fast which is basically 5-15-25 mph respectively. Anything over 25 mph is to fast and they don't even teach you to shoot at that because its just a waste of ammo and it gives away your position. And the manuals are also for armored vehicles that are larger. So you're basically shooting on feels with no training or field manual backing you up.

The guy with the RPG came close imo

>>33035489
>were you people born in 2001 or something? Jesus fucking christ, do some research on the shit that Saddam did. There's a reason the US. executed him
Yeah, he replaced the dollar with the euro for oil trade.

>>33036765
And let that be a warning to the rest of you sick fucks.

>>33036783
>And let that be a warning to the rest of you sick fucks.
Yeah it was. If they hadn't done that the petrodollar would have crashed and put an end to deficit spending. Inflation would have gone through the fucking roof and the US would have basically been Venezuela for a few years.

People are a bit ungrateful for the ''welfare queens'' saving their currency.

>>33036302
>Youre assuming that those are normal drones, i dont buy that

Based on sheer ignorance, like all conspiritards

>>33036600
Look at the car compared to the one its passing, it's had armour plating welded all around the driver

>>33037113
So they dont even try shooting it?

>>33035555
Speaking of, aren't drones haram for them?

>>33037720
see >>33035452

>>33037720
>Speaking of, aren't drones haram for them?
Are they made out of pig bones?

>>33038320
>>33038364
I heard they burn pilots alive for going into the air, has something to do about their child fucking god.

>>33027519
>>Road block
a half meter wide and deep trench would be enough + roadblocks would be enough

but arabs are fucking lazy, they would rather spill million liters of blood before sweating a single drop

>>33036708
How the fuck are you going to outrun the explosion from a VBIED that just slammed into your APC? It demolished the entire block