Russian fanboys

>>33016163
Like?

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>>33016163
Two reasons:
>muh contrarianism
>Russia isn't as open about issues with equipment as the West, so stupid people get the impression that those problems don't exist in slavshit equipment.

>>33016163
Russians are basically the real world version of the Drow.

AR15 a shit

>>33016197
>so stupid people get the impression that those problems don't exist in slavshit equipment.

so much this

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And as of late Putin has his internet brigade, which almost assuredly do their best to paint Russian weaponry as the bestest ever, though Pravda knows how large their influence currently is.

>posts the best fighter jet in the world
>tries to make an argument about inferiority of russian hardware

Shit looks cool

It's not like any of us are actually going to use any of this shit anyway

RIFLE

IS

FINE

>>33016392
>posts the best fighter jet in the world
When did i mention the F-22?

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>>33016163
because they look nice you idiot

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Because its different senpai

>>33016163

Model builder and I was nearly tempted to waste money and time for airsoft dude here.

Leaving politics and lollipops or technical specs outside it's just because I like them,up to later years all their aircraft were always painted with eyecatching schemes,tanks were not but were more appealing than the Abrams or the M60,mostly because there are no armchair generals dictating what you can put or paint and what you cannot.

As for WW2 era I'm not a fan of their machinery as I like German tanks and aircraft more than russian or allied vehicles cause the very same reasons written above

As for weapons again I like sturdy and possibly functional stuff that doesn't comes with a feel of polymer,sadly most airsoft groups were on the tacticool and tan side,especially the groups in Tuscany with tiger stripe and tan rifles and you were allowed to join in their circle only if your rifle was bundled with STANAG hi cap magazines.

Nearly bought a real SVD too but the owner of the mansion I was guarding didn't allowed rifles of any sort,not even for personal/sports use and I was stuck with a lousy sidearm,couldn't even send it at home as there were no ranges in the entire island and I think hunting with an SVD is kinda forbidden too,fucking Italian laws

We want what we don't have.

America doesn't manufacture Russian aircraft, and it doesn't buy them.

Also, let's face it.....we're still drawn to maneuverability. "Muh Stealth" doesn't have the same appeal.

>>33016163
Something endearing about how you can beat it to hell and back and have it still be fine, and the low cost.

>>33016463
Top kek

Agreed

About on par or slightly inferior to Western technology in terms of avionics.

Runways don't have to be vacuumed every hour.

>>33017619

Seriously, I wish we had gotten our hands on at least one Russian factory in top-condition post-Cold War.

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>>33017806
this.

Also when they need to clean the runway they have another piece of machinery that looks better than any western FOD sweeper

>>33017806
This.

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I shoot my 74 more than I shoot my AR and AUG combined.

Iunno, I just like it. Feels good, man.

>>33016213
how?

>>33017823
>that thing
That is old jet engine, right?

>>33020795
Yep, and they made a similar one, with TWO jet engines to clear ice from railways.

>>33016163

People will always love rough, utilitarian stuff. It's a certain type of philosophy.

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>>33016163
Some people just have an appreciate for simple stuff that works, regardless of how viable it might be.

Take the Makarov. No double stack magazines, no rails, doesn't come in 9x19.

Yet the tough is tough as nails and is ridiculously simple to clean and maintain. It's the kind of the gun that could outlive you.

>>33017619
>Also, let's face it.....we're still drawn to maneuverability. "Muh Stealth" doesn't have the same appeal.

What's funny about this is the US still has the more maneuverable fighters, with the F-16 having the highest roll rate and tightest sustained turn of any 4th gen fighter.

The MiG-29 when finally analysized by the west, turned out to be a piece of shit barely 3.5 gen fighter with subpar handling based on shitty mechanical cable system still. Neither the F-16 or F-15 would have had any problems TnB'ing with their Russian counterparts, nor Nato fighters like Mirage

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>>33016163
G-dd*amn those russkie paint jobs look sick. SU-35 is a cool plane too

>>33017806
>About on par or slightly inferior to Western technology in terms of avionics.

Wew laddy.

Across the entire spectrum this is false, from the lo end to the high end, from total inventory to specific airframes.

>>33016163

Russian gear was all designed for drunk, illiterate mongrels, so it had to be rugged and simple to match the mental capacity and self-destructive nature of the users.

>>33017806
>t. Ignorant slavboo

>>33016392

lol SU-35 is hot garbage.

because A E S T H E T I C S

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>>33016163
It's the second largest arms exporter in the world, obviously there's going to be people who like their equipment.

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>>33016163

Has America ever upgraded one of the Russian planes it has yet, just to see how a fully modernized Russian plane might do in combat?

>>33016163
Olgino troll factory, RIDF, Fancy Bear

>>33017823
This is subtle. Makes You forget that Kuznetsov fire brigade borrowed civilian trucks.

Russian weapons are manly weapons. American weapons are just so gay.

How mount go pro on mig31
https://youtu.be/pXfq288qyA4?t=150
just replace wing panel with steel plate :D

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>>33023640
>implying they didn't merely forget a civilian firetruck on there after it broke down in a harbour and no one ever removed it because they thought it belonged there

Anyways, do US carriers have comfy boardcats? Didn't think so

>>33021919
and it fuckin sucked at its job

>>33016392
>Su-27++++
>good
Only good for bullying neighbors who's stuck with cold war holdovers.

>>33024303
>implying anything but aestetics matter when these things will never be used against a foe with good equipment anyways

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>>33016163
Look. Many weapons Russia produces are inferior in performance to western counterparts. There's no denying this.

But goddammit, these guys have STYLE!

If I were to pick a practical no-bullshit gun for personal defense, I'd likely go with some western guy. But if I were a collector...

Just fucking show me a more elegant gun made in the west!

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>>33017823
It's not an FOD sweeper, dumbass, it's a de-icing vehicle.
>>33021919
The only one I know with two engines is Veterok firefighting vehicle.

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>>33024364

Underdog effect.

>>33024352
Many such cases!

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>>33024364
no bully pls. I just saved it as what the guy that posted it some years ago called it. Why would they use it in non icy environments then?

anyways, here's the fire extinguisher in action. I'm hoping for a saudi arabian civil war so i can see some oil/gas well fires in my lifetime.

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>>33024372
That's a snow blower from Myachkovo Airport.

>>33024409
dunno about that particular one, but they have massive snowfalls, where common snow plows are underperforming. Something lile >>33024372 can turn a runway from one huge snowbank to something -somewhat- usable in 15-20 minutes.

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https://youtu.be/yVUZ8oU2BKY
>>33024409
>I just saved it as what the guy that posted it some years ago called it.
I think I remember that thread. A number of anons explained him that FOD can not be just blown away with a jet engine.
Why would they use it in non icy environments then?
What makes you think they do?
>big wind
Veterok is "small wind".

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Russian Radiological, Chemical, and Biological Defense troops (RKhBZ).
https://youtu.be/1xsjCDsYzyA

>>33024430
well, two filenames to correct then

>>33024321
The Falkland Wars happened, in which two modern armies faced off with at the time relatively modern weapons.
Proxy wars still happen and should a proxy armed with Su-35 face off against a proxy armed with F-35, Eurofighters, Rafales or even Gripen Es, said Su-35s would be stomped into an oily burning stain on the ground.

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>>33023727

>>33016163
Edgelord contrarians and Russian nationalists.

>>33022109
This is the most over rated piece of shit on this board.

>>33024896
Have, not had.

>>33024896
>there could have been a super tomcat
feelsbadman

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>>33024812
Lol, whatever makes you sleep at night.

>>33017760
>Something endearing about how you can beat it to hell and back and have it still be fine, and the low cost.
Maybe the rifles, but their fighters don't fit in that.

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>>33017823
>Not having the manpower to just do a FOD walk

>>33016163
I have an exceptional hardon for the AKS-74U, but I have a massive hardon for carbines in general. Other than that, my Mosin was the only Russian gun I actually owned that I wasn't vaguely disappointed in.

>>33025414
>Other than that, my Mosin was the only Russian gun I actually owned that I wasn't vaguely disappointed in.

How is that even possible...

>>33025101
What event does this even refer to?
Is it one of those vatnik delusions?

>>33022489
>Day 6
>The Sukhois do not realize that I am a Hornet

>>33025424
Low expectations.

>>33022109
>shitty copy of the walther PP

>>33025484
>Amerishit can't google
http://in.rbth.com/blogs/stranger_than_fiction/2015/08/07/flanker-fury-how-the-sukhois-blanked-the-typhoons-12-0-in-british-skies_382281
12-0, fatnik.

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>>33025559

>>33025814
Do you have a source that isn't owned by the Russian Government?

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>>33025893
The damage control is real.

>>33025814
>>33025893
>>33025952

>trusting indian reports
Just like how Indian Flankers "defeated" those F-15Cs right?
In the case if the F-15s, india demanded that the F-15s would not be armed with BVR missiles in addition to india holding a 2:1 number advantage.

https://theaviationist.com/2015/08/08/have-indian-su-30s-really-dominated-raf-typhoons-in-aerial-combat-with-a-12-0-scoreline-most-probably-not/

In short, Indians are full of shit and so are the retarded vatniks.

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>>33026061
1.5 years later they are still mad.

>>33025952
>>33026084
>I actually believe the Russian Propaganda network!

The only time Russian planes have ever had dominance was that one time Ethiopian Flankers shot down Eritrean Fulcrums.

>>33025424
I bought it for the cost of a tank of gas, and it shoots straighter than I do up to 150 yards, which is the point my eyes fail with irons and I could really use an optic, but fuck me if I am going to pay more to put a scope on a shitty rifle than I did for the shitty rifle itself.

My only requirements for a gun that cheap are "it shoots more than half the time", and I got a gun that's actually pretty accurate and reliable.

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>>33026103
>Fatnik actually believes fatnik propaganda network broadcasting small island's damage control
Fatnik damage control intensifies.

>>33026136
It's hilarious how you keep up this Vatnik damage control, but can't post a non-Russian government source proving your claims.

>>33026136
>>33026084
>vatniks being proud of winning a stacked contest

While it is a well known fact that russians takes pride in winning by cheating, made abundantly clear by the state funded and organized doping program, when the gloves are off they'll soon find that with no cheats, they suck balls at war.
History has shown this time and time again that russians are the worst fighters man for man.

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>>33026533
https://in.rbth.com/articles/2011/12/20/1971_war_how_russia_sank_nixons_gunboat_diplomacy_14041
50 years later they are still told.

>>33026581
>Web Brigadier posts another link from the same propaganda site

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>>33026617
Fatniks on suicide watch.

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>>33026581
Goll gee, lookit dat map and the total lack of a Soviet Union!
Remember how Reagan and Bush broke the back of russian imperialism, humiliated russia and turned russias allies against her, without firing a single shot?
Good times :^)

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>russian """"air power""""
Nice meme

>>33026640
25 Rubles have been deposited in your account.

>>33026640
>that picture
>fatniks
Armatard is visiting us again.

>>33016163
Lot of Russian shills come here to shitpost on /pol/ and they come over here to jerk off on slavshit.

>>33016163
>stop liking things i don't

>>33028513
The worst thing is that nearly all of them have no real interest in the equipment itself, they just feel the need to say its better than everything else.

>>33016163
Is there a reason for the massive number of fanboys that love American weapons?No matter what weapon America makes It's always gonna end up on the number one spot even though the weapon is shit compared to eastern ones.

FTFY

>>33028692
>Is there a reason for the massive number of fanboys that love American weapons?
Because our shit pretty much always exceeds expectations and we don't need to make shit up about it.

>>33028835
>Because our shit pretty much always exceeds expectations
wew

>>33016163
oh please show me your western equivalent to a Vepr 12
and no, merry crap inspired turkroach crap doesn't count

>>33016163
Cheap
Simple
Don't break
Wood
AHHH MOTHERLAND comfiness
Russians are a silly people
It just werkz

>>33024364
>>33024409
It's Hungarian tho, not Russian. Well, techically it's two MiG-21 engines on a t-34 chassis, but it was put together by us, and not the Russkies.

>>33016163
Its not about the weapons i just like the "since we are here why don't destroy the whole block" mentality

>>33028852
Not an argument.

>>33028692
>Is there a reason for the massive number of fanboys that love American weapons?

Gee, it's almost like the majority of people here are American.

>>33030286
Neither is the bullshit you posted.

>>33030387
Prove me wrong then. Because it's fucking true.

>>33026646
>Remember how Reagan and Bush broke the back of russian imperialism
No? I distinctly remember a communist country falling apart because of communism

>>33028692
Because America has the largest defense sector on earth and makes the best weapons.

>>33028835
>>33030435
Off the top of my head:

>M16
>reliable
>"Self Lubricating/Cleaning gun"
>Oh but your supposed to use this clean ammo instead of the "dirty" ammo
>Oh but your supposed to clean and lube the gun which we told you would not need cleaning and lubing

>acu
>we need a camo that can blend in everywhere!
>except that it can't
>can only blend into a couch

>>33030435
>Debate me!
No one gives a shit about your opinion. Wanna prove something - prove you are right.

>>33030606
>acu
>a camo pattern

>implying Russians can make anything when they're too busy drinking and squatting

>>33030606
Don't forget Flyingcoffin-104.

>>33030653
ucp then

>>33030606
Soo, the military feeding bad ammo propellant and not giving out cleaning kits makes it a bad weapon? Nope.

While the ACUs were an objectively bad pattern, it's not like the wars we were in at the time were hurt by it.

Pretty weak try, bud.
>>33030660
>implying Russia had better luck with gen 2.

>>33030764
>"our shit pretty much always exceeds expectations"
>Flyingcoffin-104
>B-b-b-but WHATABOUT Russia?!
This is why people call you amerishits, fatniks and burgerclaps.

>>33030660

F-104 actually has a better safety record than Mig-21 for mishaps/hour.

However, only one plane operates in countries where the media actually reports on plane losses for the public to find out.

>>33030803
Aww, is da widdle Vatnik mad his weak arguments failed?

>>33030906
That's something people don't seem to realize - for all the shit we give the F-104, it was just about on par with the MiG-21.

They both sacrificed most operationally important aspects (payload, range, etc.) for raw performance, and suffered for it. We just hear about the F-104 being so bad because
>the West actually talks about problems with their equipment
>F-104 didn't fit well with NATO doctrine, but the MiG-21 was fairly well suited to Warsaw Pact doctrine.

>>33030764
>not giving out cleaning kits makes it a bad weapon? Nope.
Lets see:
>designed to be "self cleaning" and "self lubricating"
>requires a cleaning kit
>soldiers taped condoms on the ends of the barrels to prevent dust and water getting into the barrels
>still jammed from the tiniest spec of dust
Yup! the m16A1 was utter shit.

The only thing American weapons "exceeds expectations" in, is their price estimates.

Also:
>using le bad dirty ammo argument
What a fucking cop-out, kys.

>>33030906
>>33031036
>Desperately moving goalposts
Just as I thought.

>>33031101
Had they actually chromed where they were supposed to and stuck with the propellant it was designed with it would've been fine you memeing mong.

>>33031134
>I have no arguments, time to claim victory!

>>33030660
F-104 accidents were almost always a result of improper use of the aircraft, they were interceptors (good ones), not turn fighters.

>>33031156
>"our shit pretty much always exceeds expectations"
>Flyingcoffin-104
>B-b-b-but WHATABOUT Russia?!
Where is your "amerishit always exceeds expectations" argument now, amerishit?

>>33031164
Not really. Loss rates *were* higher with operators flying the F-104G, which shifted from the original interceptor to a strike fighter role, but even in USAF service, when they were flown almost exclusively as fighters they suffered high accident rates.

>>33031176
Anon, everyone admits the F-104 is subpar outside of its very small niche. The point of bringing up the MiG-21 (at least in my post) was to show just how much of a difference doctrine can make in an aircraft's reputation.

>>33031176
You've yet to show how I'm wrong except in a fighter generation that gave everyone shit. Even then F-86s were fine. And I must note we had our Third gens flying great when you and your puppet states were still flying Mig-18/21.

>>33031164
>Have to literally bribe people into buying the Flying Coffin
>I-it wasn't that bad at all...
So what's with "exceeding expectations"?

>>33031233
It's actually kind of funny you have to dig that far back to get any examples.

>>33030602
Yes, that's why your military uses the m-240, m-249, AT-4 and m9 just to name a few.

>>33031150
>if had they actually made the rifle properly it wouldn't suck!
You can't make this shit up.

>>33031213
No, anon. The point is that retard made a retarded claim and is now desperately moving goalposts.
>>33031215
You've yet to show how you are right.
>>33031265
The only funny thing here is how desperate you are to defend even against one singe example, moving goalposts around in a pit you've driven yourself into.

>>33031265
>have to dig that far back

What is the f-35? Does the f-35 exceed expectations in anything other than it's cost?

>>33031362
So cherrypicking the one subpar American aircraft among the generations of slavshit is somehow proving a point?

>>33031418
No, so even one single example among generations of amerishit proves that your retarded argument about amerishit "always exceeding expectations" is a complete and utter pile of bullshit.

>>33031446
ah I wasn't that anon. I'd say "consistently ahead of the curve" would be more accurate.

>>33031467
>I-it wasn't me!
Lol, pathetic amerishit keeps moving goalposts.

>>33030654
>implying you can't do productive stuff at the same time

>>33031409
>What is the f-35? Does the f-35 exceed expectations in anything other than it's cost?
Are you really that retarded and ignorant of recent operations?

>>33031510
>Vatnik desperate to find anything that's not proof of his inferiority and coming up short

>>33031817
>implying you can be productive when you're drunk

>>33031841
You mean the recent operations in which Air Marshall Davies said:

>Is it at its peak war fighting design and software load at the moment? No, it has got one more step to come.”

???
Or are you talking about the vastly overestimated, dubious kill ratio which is as accurate and reliable as the IAF's claimed ratios of 12:1??

>>33031990
And here we see the intentional ignorance of reality because of your foolish belief in the infallibility of Russia's equipment your state propaganda network pushes.

>>33032040
And here we see the intentional ignorance of reality because of your foolish belief in the infallibility of America's equipment your state propaganda network pushes.

:^)

>>33032178
That doesn't work when our equipment has records like 105.5:0 (F-15) and the only time you've ever gone above 1:1 is when Ethiopian Flankers killed six Eritrean Fulcrums.

>Inb4 Hurr monkey models, durr not Russians flying

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>>33032228
>Still buying into the American propaganda
Keep bringing up 'facts' to back up your factitious argument since you have moved the original goal posts so far. >>33028835

>Muh F-15 america stronk!
Wow! During desert storm a 4th Generation fighter is capable of taking down a 2nd-3rd Generation fighter! I'm very impressed. Shall we see how well it does against a Russian jet in it's own generation?

>>33022109

Reliable but shitty guns are great for the army and their budget and supply chain, but not really good for an individual soldier when he needs it.

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>>33032377

>>33032377

It did, F-15's shot down 5 Mig-29's during the Gulf war and another 3 in Allied Force.

Mig-29 as you know, is a newer plane than F-15.

>>33032459
And MiG-25 shot down F-18.

>>33032505
And? A lucky kill amidst total dominance isn't much to be proud of.

>>33032505
Also, an F-15E killed a Hind with a 2000lbs laser guided bomb. Sometimes shit happens.

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>>33016163

Shut up and let me love this sexy beast.

>>33032525
Shooting down monkey model Fulcrums piloted by Arabs isn't much to brag about on the first place. Yet you do. MiG-25 also successfully disrupted enemy missions and outran both F-15s and all their missiles.

>>33033055
The delusions are real.

>>33033076
But it's true you mong, same reason the SR-71 was basically untouchable by missiles.
The MiG-25 was able to outclimb and outrun all missiles fire at it during the Gulf War.

>>33033315
And still have zero effect on the outcome.

>>33033443
Well, having MiG-25s swing past harassing strike missions and then burning away did arguably disrupt strike missions and would have definitely reduced loiter time.

>>33033464
Not that much.

>>33033315
>outrun all missiles
Except it did not, vatnik.
MiG-25s got nailed by AIM-7s fired by both F-15 and F-16.

>>33034185
When fired head on.
When fired at a MiG-25 that was climbing away, the missiles could not keep up.

>>33016163
Its because it and chinas stuff is unique, because theyre not in nato they didnt fall for the "lets all use AR15 derivatives and 5.56" meme

>>33034220

Your exact words were:

>The MiG-25 was able to outclimb and outrun all missiles fire at it during the Gulf War.

Mig-25s getting shot down without escaping seems to contradict that, doesn't it? What you're claiming is hardly unique, every missile has a limited "no escape zone" based on its specifications and the situation. That a Mig-25 could fly fast enough to outrun an AIM-7 fired BVR in a chase is not remarkable.

>>33034578
>That a Mig-25 could fly fast enough to outrun an AIM-7 fired BVR in a chase is not remarkable.
Shooting down F-18 and successfully denying USAF operational space while remaining unreachable for interception is.

>>33034220
The AIM-7 that nailed the MiG-25 would have a top speed of mach 4.
Not even if the MiG tore its badly designed engines to shreds would ut be able to outrun it at top speed.
Turning around and avoiding the NEZ is something every fighter can do and does in air combat.
That is why the west have ducted rocets such as the Meteor, leaving russia hopelessly behind in air warfare.

>>33034620
Pulling off one luckyshot while losing multiple MiG-25s and only managing a marginal disruption is not remarkable at all.
The MiG-25 did nothing a F-4 could not have done.

>>33034668
>while losing multiple MiG-25s
That's where you are wrong. It was able to shoot down F-18 and deny USAF operational space while remaining beyond any reach fro both fighters and missiles.
>The MiG-25 did nothing a F-4 could not have done.
Except for outperforming it.

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>>33030550
Had not Reagan ramped up the pressure on the eastern block, outwitted the russians to get into yet another technology race and agreed on the START, the soviets might have not collapsed. The Chinese communist ruling party still holds power, it was only russia who got outwitted.

Pic related, Reagans face December 26, 1991.

>>33034721
>M-m-m-muh Reagan!
The sole and only reason USSR does not exist today is a bunch of criminals secretly signing Belavezha Accords in secret in spite of the will of the people who voted to preserve the country.

>>33034685
>beyond any reach fro both fighters and missiles
So it was an angr god who took objection to the flying abomination that is russian planes and smacked those MiG-25s out of the air?
The MiG-25 got in a lucky shot, turned tail and ran.
The same could have been done in an F-4, surprise attack and abscond at mach 2+.

>>33034733
So the soviet union fell because the russians are a shitty and deplorable people who will fuck themselves over and can't run a successful state not based on despots and dictatorship?
Sounds plausible.
Face it, had not Reagan put the soviets under such political and economic stress, the blight of russian imperialism would still be with us.

>>33034740
No, so it was MiG-25 that was able to shoot down amerishit and deny amerishit operational space while remaining beyond any reach for both amerishit fighters and missiles. No amount of squealing and damage control will get you out of this.
>>33034759
No, imbecile, so the sole and only reason of the dissolution of the USSR is an internal agreement signed in secret by a bunch of criminals.

>>33034816
Three russian build MiG-25 shitheaps got fucked.
Allied air lost one(1) fighter in return.
Only the most desperate vatnik would call a 1:3 K/D ratio a success In addition no operation was disturbed to the degree where it could not be completed. Even there did the MiG-25 fail.
The only thing it did was to force the US to waste a few missiles to shoo them off.

>>33034816
>a bunch of criminals
Had not Reagan put the screws to the russians, the accords would never been signed or even drafted.
In addition, Yeltsin should be treated as a hero since he did what was necessary and good for the entire world by ridding russia of its means of terrorizing the world. He also gave russia a soft landing since a far worse economic collapse was inevitable after Reagans policies.
The fact that russia squandered its chance at redemption can only be laid at the feet of the russian people on account if them being terrible at democracy and nation building.

>>33034910
No MiG-25 were shot down in the instances which I mentioned. There's just no way to put this gently, Amerishit "4th gen" however got fucked and humiliated by a dusty arab operated 3rd gen interceptor, as it was able to shoot down amerishit and deny amerishit operational space while remaining beyond any reach for both amerishit fighters and missiles. No amount of squealing and damage control will get you out of this.
>>33034946
>Had not Reagan put the screws to the russians, the accords would never been signed or even drafted.
Cool story. I think your ignorance typical for an amerishit makes you confuse Belavezha Accords with 1996 presidential elections rigged with amerishit help to keep the drunk criminal in power.

>>33035160
>No amount of squealing and damage control will get you out of this.
Back to you regarding the 1:3 K/D ratio.
Cherrypick all you want, no ammount of impotent rage won't change the fact that russian built jets got raped.
The annoyance the MiGs caused was minimal.

>>33035160
>Belavezha Accords
Came into account because Reagan changed the world stage on such a significant level that the russians could no longer hold onto their subjugated territories.
Yeltsin is one of the greatest russian heroes because he managed to land russia with minimal loss of life.
Had he not a mssive civil war, russian style woth millions dead would have followed.

>>33035309
No amount of impotent rage will change the fact that dusty arab operated 3rd gen humiliated "4th gen" amerishit.
>>33035333
The Accords came into account because a bunch of criminals signed them in secret in spite the will of the people.
>Yeltsin is one of the greatest russian heroes
Try to be a thinner troll next time.

>>33035504
Hey, if that's how your state-owned media tells you it happened
:^)

>>33035504
Still
>1:3 K/D ratio
Probably the best russian gear could ever hope to achieve, I guess that's where your pride comes from.

>>33035504
>bunch of criminals
Which law did they break?
Even if they broke a law it was justified because they did the world a favor and saved countless of people.
Reagan outskilled the soviet union and Yeltsin saved russia.
>troll
Ny which metric is Yeltsin not the greatest russian hero? He saved countless if russian lives and saved the world from continued russian aggression.

OP here.Someone is talking about the MIG-25 so here are the stats:
Length: 19.75 m (64 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 14.01 m (45 ft 11.5 in)
Height: 6.10 m (20 ft 0.25 in)
Wing area: 61.40 m2 (660.93 ft2)
Empty weight: 20,000 kg (44,080 lb)
Loaded weight: 36,720 kg (80,952 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Tumansky R-15B-300 afterburning turbojets
Dry thrust: 73.5 kN (16,524 lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 100.1 kN (22,494 lbf) each
Maximum speed:
High altitude:3,470 km/h, 2,170 mph;3,200 km/h, 1,920 mph continuous engine limit
Low altitude: 1,200 km/h (648 knots, 746 mph) at high altitude
Range: 1,730 km (935 nmi, 1,075 mi) with internal fuel
Ferry range: 2,575 km (1,390 nmi)
Service ceiling: 20,700 m (67,915 ft) with four missiles; over 24,400 m (80,000 ft) for RB models
Rate of climb: 208 m/s (40,950 ft/min)
Wing loading: 598 kg/m2 (122.5 lb/ft2)
Thrust/weight: 0.41
Time to altitude: 8.9 min to 20,000 m (65,615 ft)
Armament:2x radar-guided R-40R (AA-6 "Acrid") air-to-air missiles, and
2x infrared-guided R-40T missiles
AA-6 Acrid
Weight:475 kg (1,047 lb)
Length:6.23 m (20 ft 5 in)
Diameter:0.31 m (12 in)
Warhead:blast fragmentation
Warhead weight:38–100 kg (84–220 lb)
Detonation
mechanism:
Radar and active laser fuzes
Engine:solid-propellant rocket motor
Wingspan:1.45 m (4 ft 9 in)
Operational
range:
50–80 km (31–50 mi)
Speed:Mach 2.2
RP-25 Smerch radar
Detection range:
Bombers=25 Km
Fighters=20 Km
(Same generation)