Up or Down

The brass should be facing up, anybody who says otherwise is a troll or a moron.

>>32986339
both, to differentiate between type of shell.
If all one type of shell, then brass up.

>>32986339
Inside

>>32986360
>>32986370


all of you are wrong. if you had the do/k/ument you would have the video that explains how it is for the different types of reloading on a pump

>>32986339
they go brass to the rear inside the shotgun

anywhere else it doesn't matter

>>32986339

Brass up goes directly into the ejection port while brass down is loaded in the traditional manner.

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>>32986692

This guy shotguns

>>32986714
And this guy faps to drawings

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porque no los todos?

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>>32986339
This is a good thread. Here's a picture of my 870 Police Manum.

Brass up if you want to maintain sight picture, brass down if you want to reload faster.

>>32986692
is that like a competition thing? i dont into shotguns so im not sure. im also assuming it doesnt work with semiautos, only pumps

>2017
>using a pump gun
1917 called, they want their shotgun back

Brass up if tube is fed from side
Brass down if tube is fed from bottom

>>32986360

Holy shit, do you want the bang juice to leak out!? Brass down! Always!

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>>32986339
If they are different loads, then different directions. If it's all the same type of load, then the brass faces down. Trying to load brass up shells is awkward as hell for me.

Putting your shells in a side saddle with the brass down is something only people who never shoot their shotguns do.

If you're shooting the shells will eventually shake themselves free with recoil.

Putting brass down in a velcro saddle is even worse.

>>32987095
ergonomics more likely,if you have the brass already facing down the hand that grabs it can push it into the t be mag without reorienting it,and vice versa for ejection loading.

>>32986339
I'm left handed so, I do my speed reloads with my non-firing hand so shells up

>>32986780
this is my exact shotgun. Mossburg 500 persuader right? with 6 shell side saddle?

Brass down = for the loading port.
Brass up = for the ejection port.
Any answer other than this is wrong. I don't care if it works for you or that's not how your mom's boyfriend taught you. It's wrong. For defensive purposes, what is fastest is the only option, period.


>>32989706
Buy better shell holders. Clearly you bought yours from a smelly guy with a twitchy eye at some flee market.

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Whatever that works for you.

https://youtu.be/imY0FT4ZtBc

>>32992366

I dunno. I've owned and tried several brands and though some are better than others if you run your shotgun long enough shells will be lost if they're brass down.

Though I like the concept of the shells up/down for speed I find that under a lot of stress it can confuse you when you reach for the wrong one and tug on it the wrong way.

It's just better off to run them brass up. Likelyhood of losing them goes down dramatically and when you need to grab shells you can do so uniformly as they'll all be set up the same way. No surprises under stress when you're not paying attention and grab the wrong one.

In regards to the loading process shells with the brass up are faster to load into the ejection port. Which is the most important type of reload if you ask me, since if you're loading into the pipe it's because you've run dry and need to immediately get your gun running again, potentially because you're still in the fight. Having all your shells brass up means you grab the first one you can and you can continue to chamber load over and over (which will always be faster than trying to load into the tube) until you have a break to feed the tube or you've run out of ammunition all together.

If you're in a position to feed your tube it's because you're able to at least temporarily find cover or time to do so and by this point if the shells are brass down is irrelevant as they won't be much longer to withdraw brass up but in this case at least you have retained them all for sure.

Loading the tube is something you do when it is safe and productive to do so.

>>32992366

This answer is absolutely right. Congratulations, you get to pick two of the following prizes:

>defensive purposes
>a pump-action shotgun
>useful

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>>32986339
>>32986692
>>32987095
>>32990650

The way I configure works for tube-fed shotguns, whether semi or pump and is as follows:

The two forward shells are brass-up and high in the holder. They are brass-up so that I can take them out over the receiver and into the open ejection port when internal ammunition is expended. They are high in the holder so that I can take them out more easily and so that I don't hit my wrist on them when I manipulate the slide.

The rest are brass-down and low so that I can easily take them out downwards and load them into the loading port.

Both shell configurations can be loaded with the support or firing hand.

Pic is semi-related, it's from before I put a holder on the receiver of the shotgun.

>>32987475
i.. is this real?

pls respond

>>32992737
yes, but you may have trouble finding pure enough helium, they dilute it with oxygen now

>>32986626
link?

>>32992531
OK, so if you keep rounds on both sides of the gun port loading from the right side is even faster and topping off from brass down is again faster. So, you've proven my point.

I keep 1 slug brass up for slug transition the rest are brass down. For emergency loads, I load from shells just outside of the port.

>>32992556
0/10.
I pick a useful pump action, which would then make it suitable for defense. Sorry, you tried.

>>32986416
I would go for this one too.
Works great on mine.

>>32986339
I like a few in the front to be up, the rest down. My reasoning is front ones are for chamber loading, and rear ones I like to feed the magazine with. I've found when I do 3gun I just chamber feed all of them anyway out of habit, so I'll leave them all brass-up during that now.

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>>32992832

I keep a slug change over on the right side of my shotguns. It's an Asgard defense and for whatever reason because of its horizontal arrangement and shell stoppers they don't shake out from recoil like shells do from the Velcro sidesaddle I use, which is a Browncoat Tactical Velcro card.

>>32986339
Brass down.

If you need to load one into the chamber directly you weren't paying good enough attention to your ammo.

>>32986339
Assuming you're holding the grip with your right hand and loading with the left and the shotgun loads from the bottom like most pumps, brass down would be the most logical direction because speedy reloads.

But I don't even own a shotgun. Someone tell me why I'm wrong.

>>32993030
speedy reloads arent that important, retaining shells as you move around is.

>>32990690
590A1 with a tacstar saddle I think. I went against /k/'s recommendation of the shell cards becaues I hate velcro and it looked chinsey. Not like I'm doing tactical reloads and need to swap cards at a tier 1 pace.

Related question, what do you carry your extra shells in? Is the SOE rig the only real choice?

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>>32994948
I bought a belt-style shell carrier, its a bit heavy and I prefer to use a canvas dump pouch because I'm not carrying 200 shells with me ever.

Mossman 590s carries 9 in the gun, 6 on the carrier, and 4 in the speed feed stock. Its slow as shit to use, and adds 6+ ounces to the gun, but its less awkward, i think, than carrying additional cards or a shell badolier.

>>32992737
>Your body does not know the difference between helium and oxygen. This method is completely painless.
I wouldn't trust it, I've felt ill and very light headed after breathing too much when I was supposed to be popping balloons. But if you take a few painkillers and a tums maybe you'll feel okay