Opinions on vp9? Is it the wondernine's final form?

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>>32974872
>wondernine's final form

Nope

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>>32974872
That's not a P30 though. The only problem is that the wondernine's final form was decided upon decades ago.

Everything since has been an attempt to recreate the masterpiece, but has failed to dethrone it every time.

>>32974946
I hate to say it but for a striker fired poly 9 the glock pretty much takes the cake, but for hammered poly 9s the p30 is my personal favorite

>>32974872
Got to shoot one of these a few days ago. Selling my PPQ and buying a VP9.

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>>32974872
Not even close.

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>>32974946
>twenty fucking seventeen
>not even fully ambidextrous

Sad.

>>32975055
Ahhh but just wait for the Gen 5, friendo

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>>32974872

I bought mine because I already owned several Glocks and wanted something a bit different. PPQ was like $20 cheaper but I'm an HK fanboy.

>nylon plastic guns

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>>32975075
Hahahahahahaha

Then what happens when the gen 6 comes out? Just throw your old one away? Why don't they just add all the good features right off the bat like FN did?

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>>32974920
mah nigga

>>32974872
It's fucking ugly

>>32975192
But the FNS and FNX have failed to take out Glock and HK, their competition which still reigns king of their respective actions.

>>32975075
>gen 5 Glocks released to law enforcement agencies for testing were already recalled because the slides came off the frame during firing

LMAO RECALLED ALREADY AND THEY HAVENT EVEN BEEN RELEASED

Glock is done, they've been done. Quit while you're ahead fanbois.

>>32975234
2nd

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>>32975235
What's right is not always popular and what's popular is not always right.

That said they're all great, I'm just delivering bantz.

Remember ten years ago? When people actually considered autoloaders unreliable compared to a revolver? Think how far we've come.

>>32974872
H2O

>>32975306
Agreed. I like most handguns. I just shoot Glocks well and they feel comfy in my hands. HK is a close second.

If I had bought a FNX-9 instead of some other handgun, I'd probably be shitposting with it right now.

>>32975267
Pretty sure because retard cops installed the slide block backwards.

>>32975267
>released for testing
>for testing
>testing
>big shock when they discover issues during the testing phase
Wow it's fucking nothing

>>32975267
The slides were actually falling off during dry fire training, and it was "a few" not just one or two.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/08/20/glock-recall-update-indy-metro-pd-releases-statement/

I don't know how they're still taken seriously, I stopped being a Glock guy when they let a bunch of guns get issued to law enforcement that blew up and caused permanent damage to their hands. Seems like it's always something catastrophic with them. I don't want to risk ending up with a garbage glock that has stovepipe issues with a light mounted or "limp wrist" which is their excuse for feeding issues.

>>32975341
It is THE SAME GUN.

All they changed was taking off the goddamn grip grooves.

>Hey look guys we released the same product but now the charging cable port is on top instead of bottom tee-hee

If they're not the Apple of guns now idk what is (Ruger's getting close).

>>32975330

A service pistol should be retard proof. If its not supposed to go a certain way it shouldn't let you.

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>>32975326
Most def, my choice is simply due to how my hand is built.

I wanted to rock the HK P30L LEM as my training gun so bad...But I kept riding the slide lock and it was a consistently reoccurring issue. I had tried a g17 and owned a Steyr M9-A1 but that aggressive grip angle didn't agree with my brain and I didn't want to consciously train for it.

My only point is all the major brands are good to go and it's down to lifestyle, needs, biology, competency, preference and ability.

>>32975374
>ambi slide release
>new muzzle contour
>smooth trigger
>different pin layout
>new, enlarged recoil spring assembly
No... It's not the same gun

>>32975210

This is a man who knows what he likes. Do you keep all those as defensive pistols in different rooms of the house? I might start doing that with USP's or glocks.

>>32975423
The slide release isn't a slide release, it's a slide stop. What needs to be ambi is the mag release (full time not swappable). Try running some left handed drills and see how fucking difficult it is to release the mag with your index finger. How could they fuck up so badly?

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>>32975473
>Do you keep all those as defensive pistols in different rooms of the house?
Dude I'm even more autistic than that.

The FNS9C is my EDC as seen in EDC threads.
The FNS9 is my in the works suppressor host/in the works AIWB gun gaming build
The FNS9L is my range and current gun gaming build
The FNS40L is my Baltimore PD build

All builds have appropriate holsters and mag pouches for how they are carried and used. I also have a serious evolution of my EDC in the works.

The best form for 9mm happened in 1935.

The final form will never happen as long as governments and consumers still buy plastic framed handguns.

The best plastic9 available right now, at the best price, is the Canik 55 TP9SA.

You can tune a handgun for accuracy with metal slides and frames, but with plastic frames, you're stuck with what you bought. That's why almost all competition shooters stick with the 1911 platform.

>>32975497
>new muzzle contour
>different pin layout
>different and larger recoil spring assembly
>new slide
They've got some kinks to work out which is why it was in testing.

>>32975523

I totally understand and am going to do the something similar. I have a USP 45 for the car, which will probably be replaced by a silenced mark 23 if I find a way to get it near the driver's seat, and am getting a usp expert/elite for three gun.

Is the plastic frame actually squishy on the FNS series? I know you love the .40 compared to your USP so I might just get that instead of the mark 23. And as a cop, is .45 ok to shoot through autoglass/doors or should I move up to the .40?

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>>32975579

You don't want to have to swing around a suppressor in a car.

>>32975614

But I don't wanna go deaf either

I'm also thinking a really small pistol with a small suppressor

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>>32975579
>Is the plastic frame actually squishy on the FNS series?
The squishy meme is a limited run of FNX-45s, extremely acute and recalled, non overlap with any other pistol.

>I know you love the .40 compared to your USP so I might just get that instead of the mark 23.

I've been going through pistols like tooth picks for 12 years so don't just follow my lead, find what you liken the best. My requirements are this: The gun needs to be available in full size, compact and sub compact with the same exact controls, grip angle, sights and general characteristics. That way I can train on the same thing and carry in every fashion on the same controls.

In a perfect world, I would have infinite cash and time and would do a USP series build in the same fashion I'm working on now with the FNS.

>>32975644

Planning some drive-by's? How the fuck often do you plan on shooting people from or in your car?

>>32975579
Why would you leave 3000 dollars worth of merchandise in your car.

>>32975677

I see. I just never fingerfucked one since I saw that video of the plastic practically melting in the hot sun. I'll try one out.

>>32975693

If I have to use it once I'm guaranteed deaf. Maybe I'll just get a maxim 9.

>>32975698

Getting my car stolen is about as likely as me having to use that merchandise.

>>32975528
Those aren't even things people complain about.

They're not "working out kinks" they're learning how to be gun manufacturers because up until now they've been releasing the same gun someone else designed in different sizes.

>>32975716
>If I have to use it once I'm guaranteed deaf.

Really? Ya think? Is everyone who served in the military throughout the fucking word deaf?

Fucking retard.

>>32974872
I want one, but not for the price they're asking when I could easily buy a Glock 17 or 19 for $100-150 less.

>>32975758

Good poineeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>32975716
>I see. I just never fingerfucked one since I saw that video of the plastic practically melting in the hot sun. I'll try one out.
Yep it's literally a serial # specific recall of faulty polymer - definitely a huge fuck up from them, but not indicative of a design issue, simply a production issue that was resolved and handled well enough.

>>32975775

My gun knowledge comes from vidya and /k/ so I know REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Faggot

>>32975812

No you faggot, shooting +p ammunition outside out of a short barreled pistol can fuck your hearing up. Inside of a car, where I might need to shoot two magazines' worth of ammo, would be absolutely retarded if I can somehow reduce the noise.

>>32975759
>I could easily buy a Glock 17 or 19 for $100-150 less.

You could also buy a Raven .25 for $50 and save even more money.

>>32975834
>Inside of a car, where I might need to shoot two magazines' worth of ammo


Are you a nigger, or just a retard that spent far too much time playing GTA?

>>32975644
go deaf or go dead because you can't clear your seatbelt or steering column

:thinking:

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>>32975859
An absolute false equivalency. A 17 or 19 is chambered in the same round and is of similar quality to a VP9. Tell me what the VP9 has that warrants the extra price besides the H&K rollmark. It's actually even got negatives compared to the 17 considering it's the same size and still only has 15 round mags.

>>32975716
>Getting my car stolen is about as likely as me having to use that merchandise.Yeah, but having the merchandise stolen out of the car is more likely than both of those things. Carry on your body, and if you want a serious gun for your car, carry a shotgun with slugs in it.

>>32975921

Ambi mag release and slide catch/release are really nice for lefties.

>>32975921
>Tell me what the VP9 has that warrants the extra price besides the H&K rollmark.

Better trigger
Better grip in customization and comfort.
More detailed slide machining in order to lighten weight and make carry easier.
Better mag release.
Ambi slide release.
Better design for detail stripping.

>>32976005
They are nice for everyone. Lefties can learn to shoot a right handed gun. Teaching a righty how to shoot his gun left is harder. So just mirror the controls instead.

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>>32976026
>Better mag release.
Paddlefags need to go

>>32976066
No, it is better, and it is truly ambi without compromising the design.

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>don't mind me, just laughing at the FN/HK circlejerk

>>32976109
Dude, why be our enemy? SIG is the last point of the triad.

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>>32974872
Great striker fired 9mm pistol. Not the end-all. Extremely ergonomic (for me).

Trigger is not the end-all either, but is one of the better I've experienced on a striker gun, enhanced by the overall ergos of the gun.

Accurate, same quality you see in most HK pistol barrels.

Reliable, despite popular youtube videos demonstrating otherwise. I've only gotten it to fail going full retard with mud.

Bretty good value in the LE package with tritium sights and 3 magazines.

Still hoping they come out with a compact and not an sk model comparable in dimensions to the G19.

>>32976109
Looks less ergo than m&p

>>32976200
Because it is.

>>32976026
>Better trigger
Subjective. I've tried a VP9 and the trigger was fine, but maybe I'm just spoiled by non-strikers.

>Better grip in customization and comfort.
The grip panels are a nice touch, and it actually did surprise me how nice it felt in the hand.

>More detailed slide machining in order to lighten weight and make carry easier.
Didn't know it was lighter, but looking online at comparisons between the VP9 and different Glock models, it looks to be a very slight difference.

>Better mag release
I found the paddle a little weird, but if it just werks, it just werks.

>Ambi slide release.
I'll give you that one.

>Better design for detail stripping
Haven't stripped one, so if that's true, that's another plus.

I still don't think brand new all that is worth the extra 150 though. I did like the one I tried, but if I buy one I'll probably do so used or just go full retard and shell out the extra cash for a USP.

>>32976200
its definitely not

>>32976182
>Reliable, despite popular youtube videos demonstrating otherwise. I've only gotten it to fail going full retard with mud.

I used to think the people claiming Tim was a shill were delusional.

Then I simply asked him to test pistol "x" and received some thumbs up so he couldn't ignore it.

He dropped a comment amounting to "yeah ok maybe"

Then 8 hours later he added to his previous post saying the gun I asked him to review was unworthy of his time due to "x" "y" and "z" and how shitty is basically was.

Needless to say my eyes were opened.

>>32975055
>being left handed in 2017

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>>32976318
I've disliked Tim for a long time, and that was before his propagandizing got blatant. Dude just rubs me the wrong way, comes off like the average small time, smart ass gun shop owner who thinks he's God's gift to the industry.

As always, I trust what I see and do in person over all. If you're some sort of snake eater wading through swamps to conduct direct action on some bad guys, yeah probably not the pistol for you. If you're an average citizen or LEO, the VP9 is absolutely reliable as a CCW or duty pistol.

P320 is also amazing. Glocks are also amazing, just wish I shot better with them. Never been a fan of the M&P series but they are good. Never owned a striker FNH, but the hammer guns I've had from them have been amazing.

/k/ is filled with "better than" delusion when the best pistol is the one that you shoot, manipulate and carry the best...and is reliable enough.

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>>32976460
>/k/ is filled with "better than" delusion when the best pistol is the one that you shoot, manipulate and carry the best...and is reliable enough.

I look at it like this - the people shooting these pistols as a way of life don't give a shit about youtube reliability tests.

I'm not saying your pistol shouldn't be reliable.

I'm saying the exasperated characteristics of use are clearly not dependent on being able to function with mayonnaise in the striker channel.

>>32976066
Paddle is unorthodox but if you do button it has to be repressed on cc guns because hybrid and leather still exist and I have had the mag release from my RAMI dude to bad angles and pressure.

>>32976285
>Subjective. I've tried a VP9 and the trigger was fine, but maybe I'm just spoiled by non-strikers.

Its better than a glock stock trigger.

>Didn't know it was lighter,

I didn't mean light than the glock. its just light for a high bore axis gun. It also has nice contours when carrying.

>I found the paddle a little weird, but if it just werks, it just werks.

Its different, but with practice it is better and the best way to go for ambi.

>Haven't stripped one, so if that's true, that's another plus.

I meant field strip, glock wins detail strip. You don't have to pull a trigger and the leaver is better than a pull tab.

It costs just as much more to upgrade a glock to the same ability, even more if you don't like glock ergos.

>>32975055
>fully ambi
a meme for the mentally challenged and physically disabled

>heavier, taller, and wider than a g17g4 even with a shorter slide
>nowhere near the track record
>less aftermarket support and user serviceability

just admit you fucked up friendo

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>>32976728
Wow it's a wash, meanwhile the FNS frame is a lego base that you can build on with everything. Can't wait for the release of nerve damage support (357sig), my 40 mags are labeled for it.

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>>32976728
>>32976949

>>32975418
I don't know what happened but if you do a field strip, you don't touch that part. Glocks are retard proof. Taking out the slide block pin is the equivalent of removing your AR's barrelnut to do cleaning.

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>>32976949
>Nerve damage support
Used to think that was a meme until I put a few thousand .357sig through a 226 I had .40sw and .357sig barrels for. Did a full day pistol course with the 357 and had hand tisms for a couple days after.

>>32977008
>Taking out the slide block pin is the equivalent of removing your AR's barrelnut to do cleaning.

Lol what? No its not, one requires torquing the other just requires the push of a thumb.

>>32977016
I'm looking forward to the opportunity to fuck with it in a platform I'm invested in. Demoing some other dudes gun ain't the same.

>>32977022
Meaning unnecessary. There's no reason a soldier needs to strip the frame for cleaning. You need to use the glock tool to push the pin down. If you check function after assembly, you should notice if the pin is installed backwards since your slide will fly off.

>>32975043
The PPQ has a better trigger and it performed much better in torture tests. Why would you sell it?

>>32977138
I thought you were talking about HKs and CZ having a bad method of disassembly.

>>32976728
>for the disabled
j-just because I want to shoot lefty like I was born to d-doesn't mean I'm some katawa shoujo, s-senpai!

>>32976728
>>32976392

So how do you run left handed drills? Does your gun work around you or the other way around. Here's how I do mine with the FNS:

>Right arm is down/shot/unaccessible
>Switch to left, need to reload
>Drop mag normally with thumb
>Safety on, shove gun in waistband (can't reach holster, it's on the right)
>Retrieve spare mag, insert into gun, pull out of waistband
>Flick slide stop normally with thumb

Here's how that goes with a Glock:
>Right arm down
>Out of ammo
>Awkwardly try to flick mag release with trigger finger, probably lose grip and drop the thing
>Shove gun it waistband, probably shoot self in dick
>Reload mag, draw gun
>Figure out how the hell I'm going to flick the slide stop
>Try awkwardly with index finger, can't because it's too small of a nub
>Use teeth to release slide
>Need new teeth

But 99℅ of you are casuals who don't actually run drills with your guns and think you'll never be in a shootout where the circumstances aren't ideal. Your gun is combat ineffective. Deal with it.

>>32977755
I just plink at the range and don't care about combat in arguments that inconvenience me.

>>32977755
Here's how it goes with a Glock:
>Put Glock in waistband or squeeze it between you leg and tight (if kneeling).
>Press mag release and extract magazine.
>Grab spare magazine.
>Insert spare magazine in pistol and pull pistol out.
>Rack the slide using your belt/holster/heel and the rear sight.

If a tacticool Spaghetti can do it, so should you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yY1vDTAtZE

>>32977205
HKs and CZs use roll pins m8. Glocks are easy to dissy. You only need a punch or glock tool to tear it all down. Not sure what you mean?

>>32977755
Glock
>drop mag with middle finger
>stick gun anywhere, belt, knee w.e.
>fresh mag
>rack slide on belt
It's practically the same. Not very hard at all.

>>32977893
You are still not on the same page...m8. I am talking about the slide lock pin that is also the slide lock tab.

>>32977910
Problem is training that separate manual of arms. Few people shoot enough left handed to train this well. Have similar motions is easier to train, and there for more likely to actually happen when under stress.

>>32977167
Because it's prone to double tapping, the trigger is too light for a carry gun, and the VP9 fits my hands better.

>>32975418
>What is an AR-15 trigger spring?

>>32975418
>A service pistol should be retard proof.

America always builds a better retard.

>>32976066
Paddles are god-tier.
Fuck your buttons.

>>32976026

YOU FORGOT THE BEST FEATURE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>32980391
>4.5lb trigger
>too light

>>32977755
>how do you run left handed drills
I can reach the mag release just fine with my middle finger, unlike you disabled fags. I'm also capable of practicing with sufficient repetition to make it not a problem, unlike retards who can't do just that.

>Your gun is combat ineffective
Sorry, it's not catered towards disabled people like yourself. Everyone else who uses it has 0 issues.

>>32975374
>Ruger

Dafuq. They dont make anything very innovative, but all their designs are very solid iterations of their categories.

>>32980632
>Personal opinion
>Absolute fact
It is a great trigger, but for my skill level, I see it as a liability. I rather have a heavier trigger with little take-up and a longer reset. So like a hi power vs a 1911.

>>32975055
>Disgusting two part trigger.
Absolutely appalling.

>>32975306
Clean that poor gun NOW ;_;

>>32982221
>I can reach the mag release just fine with my middle finger, unlike you disabled fags

Do you actually practice it though. Be honest with yourself, its your life thats on the line after all.

>>32982436
>not reading the rest of the post
Be honest with yourself, is it within your physical capacity to use a glock like a normal human being? Or are you actually disabled in some way that you can't?

>>32982460
Physical capacity, and mental ability to do so under stress are 2 different things. Stop being a child and defending your purchase blindly and let go of your ego. If you train to do what you said all will be well. Your insistence on focusing on the fact that "its possible" tells me you probably don't train enough with regular shooting let alone off hand shooting.

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>>32982525
Your reading comprehension is shit, and you need to read the posts further up the chain.

Anon X: Glocks are not combat ineffective because it's "impossible" to hit the slide release with anything but his teeth. You can't actuate the mag release because you'll probably drop the gun.

Me: Those are not problems if you train, and you're physically capable of doing so.

Maybe you're not anon x, but you need to read. If anything, it seems like we're mostly in agreement.

>>32975914
Is it any good?

>>32975374
They totally changed the RSA, which entailed several other internal changes to accommodate it.

>>32975921
>Tell me what the VP9 has that warrants the extra price besides the H&K rollmark.
What extra price? I've been seeing them sell for as low as $500-550 pretty regularly now and Palmetto had them for $450 last Black Friday. They are the same price as Glocks.

>>32982720
Ok cool. Nice Smith.

>>32974946
isnt the p30 just the poor man's vp9?

the sig sp2022 to the p226?
the FNS to the FNX?

>>32984334
Lol, you have it backwards, the VP9 is the entry level gun.