H&K refuses delivery of key XM25 components

>>32963374
hey OP, your hatred is showing again.

On one hand, this doesn't make sense because literally the whole point of the XM25 is that it detonates over the targets heads, not by direct impact. On the other hand, you seem to be taking this personally OP, try not to be so weirdly bitter about not being able to afford nice things..

>>32963374
Just what are these super important parts that they have to be made by H&K?

I think they're afraid of the German government.

>>32963657
... or afraid of millions of those islamic refugees that infest their country now.

I think I'm gonna start saying "german" instead of "garbage".

HK's excuse kinda seems like bullshit to me. "It's illegal to aim a grenade directly at someone" sounds like that "It's a war crime to hit someone directly with a .50BMG" urban legend.

>>32963374
What is an Rocket Propelled Grenade then?

>>32963694
Right, or the most realistic thing that I said. The German government looks for any way possible to fucking with HK exporting weapons.

>>32963751
For vehicles

>>32963871
I don't know much about the politics, why does the german government do that?

>>32963933
because they're pussies that have been cucked by the israelis and now fear war instead of embracing it.

>>32963933
Beats me, they got beef with their domestic defense companies because they hate guns.

>>32963374
LOL, I was ready to hate HK when I started reading this post but now I love them.
They're literally trolling law makers by following laws, wheeee!

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>>32963933
CDU/CSU = War is terrible, never again! "conservatives", intending to dissolve Germany into the EU (Merkel-party)
On guns: It might be OK to own a bolt action. (but don't want to piss off voters)

Bündnis90/Die pädophilen Grünen = Frankfurt School style "environmentalists", intending to dissolve the German population into a see of immigrants.
On guns: Ban Guns, ban nuclear research, ban meat, ban high power vacuum cleaners, ban cars, ban wrong opinions, ban CO2 etc.

SPD = Social democrats, Same as the CDU with less "religion", larger unemployment benefits and children having to stay the whole day in school for better indoctrination. (homeschooling is illegal in Germany)
Will do everything the Green party tells them when in a coalition with it, including adding same-sex-education to the curriculum of preschool children ...
On guns: It maybe might be OK to own a bolt action. (but don't want to piss off voters)

Die Linke = Basically the party that ran the communist DDR.

Not in parliament, but might be next time:

AFD = Alt right, pro gun

FDP = Libertarians(?), pro gun
but was perceived to be a pure special interest lobbying group after the last time they were part of the ruling coalition. (didn't show a hint of principle)

>>32963374
You wouldn't happen to have a real source in english would you?

>>32966808
afd, fdp pro gun? thats news to me

also
>afd
>ever acceptable

>>32966808
Look at all that communism.

>>32963751
You should have said frag 12 shells

>>32966808
>children having to stay the whole day in school for better indoctrination.
Spotted the Fundie.

>>32963628
the logo for sales of course.

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>>32963374
>these sources

I have no problem with this. Fuck the US military.

>>32963744
>"It's illegal to aim a grenade directly at someone" sounds like that "It's a war crime to hit someone directly with a .50BMG" urban legend
It fucking is. If were actually the case tanks firing at people with their main gun or rockets fired from helicopters at people would be illegal as well. Just some horse shit from a shit company
>Muh Germany
Then fucking move. Obviously Germany is so god damn restrictive that they cockblock like half of H&K's profit making abilities.

>>32968414
>Then fucking move.
Come back when you have the projected cost for ripping the whole of HK out of the clay and dumping it on US soil, personnel included. They tried setting up a facility stateside once and they want to do so again but with German law being what it is its amazing we get anything from them.

"Just move" is great advice for a 25yr old.

>>32969093
SIG Sauer set up a US subsidiary just fine.

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>>32966808
>"War is terrible, never again!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFJ4hN7vxWo
“Only the dead have seen the end of war.” - George Santayana

Friendly reminder that the (((EU))) is planning on implementing more gun control during the next years, because even tho we're doing the exact opposite of America, and haven't had many incidents, we still need to be stricter.

God fucking damnit I hate this region. My country isnt even in the EU, but we still have to pick up on some of their regulations.
Planning on picking up some HK parts from Germany before they most likely become illegal.

>>32963972
Nah , that would be america

>>32969093
>They tried setting up a facility stateside once and they want to do so again but with German law
Then fucking move. Headquarter literally anywhere but Germany. If the excuse for HK being a shit fucking company is Germany then leave Germany. It's not like the German Army will be enough to sustain them anyways.

>>32963751
It's a type of bazooka.

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>This whole thread.

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>>32963374
The funny thing about it is that you need to buy gun parts from Krautistan

>>32971993
We probably don't /need/ to, but were doing it as an international cooperation thing.

>>32963374
>Germans honoring treaties

What a time to be alive

>>32967836
https://german-rifle-association.de/europawahl-2014-unsere-wahlpruefsteine-zum-waffenrecht/

http://www.mmnews.de/index.php/politik/80011-afd-will-liberalisierung-des-waffenrechts

Pro gun by German standards..

>>32968351
Nah, only dislike totalitarian systems ..

One of the creepiest things I read in recent years were Thilo Sarrazins solutions for the problems he wrote about.
( can't remember it in detail but it was something along the line of taking the children from the parents so they'll be turned into decent tax paying workers by the state ... )

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>>32972862
If you wouldn't need to it wouldn't be a big deal, but that'S what you get when you buy shit from foreign countries

>>32963374
>1868 St Petersburg international law convention
nigga Germany wasn't even a country then, let alone a signatory of it

>>32963374
kek, and now we watch as the US government assrapes HK in court and takes the whole TDP of the XM-25 for themselves.

>>32973286
International law doesn't really require you exist before it, otherwise none of these new countries would be bound by any of it.

>>32963374
Guess I need to buy that usp compact now to troll you, op. :^D

>>32973324
Actually it does require your country to be a signatory.

>>32973403
then how is King Mubumba of southeast Sudanomalia getting charge with war crimes?

>>32973286
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customary_international_law
read a book, burger

>>32963374

good for them

>>32963744
Raufoss rounds are the only .50BMG that violate the Hague Convention, because they contain a small quantity of explosive and can detonate on impact with an armored human. Regular rounds are 100% legal.

Of course Americans, including snipers, regularly engage human targets with Raufoss rounds, which sometimes explode. And so it is.

>>32966808
CDU is nice but gun policy needs to change. That said, I know some local Green members and they're pretty smart.

>>32968414
>It fucking is. If were actually the case tanks firing at people with their main gun or rockets fired from helicopters at people would be illegal as well.

Citation needed. Geneva and Hague conventions are readily available. Don't make shit up.

>>32963374
According to that same rule HE/HEDP automatic cannon rounds are grenades and literally every country that has used automatic cannon (ie had a war) since 1868 is guilty.
I don't see the uproar when a plane strafes enemy troops with autocannon, and I don't see it when 30mm from an apache seperates a haji into a million little giblets

>>32963374
>>Mass production of the US, state-of-the-art, shoulder-fired grenade launcher XM25 has stalled since German company Heckler & Koch (H&K) has refused to deliver a key detail, fearing the weapon would hit people directly in violation of the 19th century international treaty, DPA reported.
>>Heckler & Koch is referring to 1868 St Petersburg international law convention that says grenades can’t be fired directly at a person. According to the document, grenades may be thrown at a building or near a person, but not straight at them.

WHO GIVES A FUCK JESUS FUCKING CHRIST STOP HAMSTRINGING THE FUCKING ARMIES OF THE WORLD WITH THIS DUMB BULLSHIT

>>32969093
>Come back when you have the projected cost for ripping the whole of HK out of the clay and dumping it on US soil, personnel included.

That's not how new factories are set up, dumbass. German businesses invest billions in US factories and make billions in profit. They make effective use of American workers, something US makers seem to have trouble doing. BMW and Continental Tire and ZF are notable examples.

>>32974995
but he's actually kinda right it's a grey area no one really cares about

>>32963972
Found the CoD kiddie who's never served. Trust me, war is something you want to fear.

>>32975021
You're right, anon. We should start issuing 40mm sarin grenades immediately.

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>>32975021
>America can't into engineering without German help
TOP KEKEKEKEKEK
What a nice opportunity to use this propaganda material from /deutsch/

>>32963374
>>A German arms producer has refused to deliver key components for a new US grenade launcher, citing an 1868 convention prohibiting grenades being fired straight at a person. The German company is now facing penalties.
>The German company is now facing penalties.
Fuck off, they're doing the normal thing. A bunch of lawyers starts suing you over something you're obviously going to stop for the time being.

Litigation[edit]
In 2017 Orbital ATK filed suit via the U.S. District court in the district of Minnesota against Heckler and Koch for Damages of over $27 million dollars, Claiming failure to deliver 20 XM25 Prototype units. The Filing also requested Transfer of intellectual Property to allow Orbital Atk to contract another vender for production of the system. The complaint stated that Heckler and Koch had wished legal clarification regarding potential violations of Conventions of The Laws of war, after Consultation Heckler and Koch had stipulated that the US Government Issue a Special certification regarding use of the Weapons system. The US Government did not issue such And Negotiations broke down.[25]

>>32975883
There is an amusing number of typos in that. I had a good laugh.

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>>32976128
I think the creator of this artwork did that on purpose

>>32963480
He's probably a Russian who is glad he won't be killed by XM25 in near future.

>>32975002
Don't most of those international laws only recognize uniformed soldiers and not insurgents?

>>32978813
Yes, but we are the good guys on the moral high ground so we apply it to everyone

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been w8ing for an excuse to post this

>>32975883
>German cars are the most wanted
By morons.

>>32963871
HK are complicit. The marketing strategy is differentiation of product in mature market through exclusivity and perceived prestige.

Privilege of getting ahold of superior Teutonic cosmo-wizardry just got more difficult to achieve.

Now national militaries around the world will go on to do a very well known human psychological thing, masochistically chasing the green grass held above their station. Profit.

>>32975021
Going to be fun when all those permanently blinding lasers are deployed.

>Heckler & Koch is referring to 1868 St Petersburg international law convention that says grenades can’t be fired directly at a person. According to the document, grenades may be thrown at a building or near a person, but not straight at them.

Wait so does this mean that everyone that purposely threw a grenade where people are committed a war crime? Or just if it directly impacts?

>>32963374
Huh. They get pressured to follow the rules with threats of financial penalties if they don't.

>Getting penalized for following the rulez.

My head hurts...

>>32966808
The EU tried to ban high power water kettles for energy saving and the Brits had fucking none of it.

Can't blame them. That's like some trying to ban soda.

>>32978972
Bongs have to have great surge capacity in their power grid when there are events that millions of people follow and go to switch on their kettles during the pauses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slDAvewWfrA

>>32967836
Literally in their program. You should read it, it´s pretty good.

So H&K asked Orbital ATK to provide a special document from the US government so they could deliver the parts but ATK failed to do that. How is this H&K's fault?

>>32967836
>also
>afd
>ever acceptable

?? So you vote for communists that hate Germany and want to destroy Germany instead?

>>32974931
>CDU is nice
lol
Germans
because having close to the lowest fertility in the world for decades is just fine, doing great, no biggie.

And bringing in millions of muslim males is just fine too

>>32979238
>t. Gauland

>>32979270
Rapidly shrinking population, replacing the young with muslims/africans
Is this a good sustainable policy?

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>>32974931
Ask the green members how they want to get rid of nuclear waste without nuclear research ...

Supporting the green party and being smart is mutually exclusive... unless off course you like tight small ... houses that don't use much energy.

>>32979286
I like my houses tight and small.

>>32979238
>Vote AFD they didnt achive anything and therefore hadnt done anything wrong
They are just like any other opposition party before, only able to whine about everyone else, probaly become the next embaressment like the Pirateparty. Even if they would win, they would not know what to do, because all they can do and had done is whining and critizing, while not proposing anything of their own beside populistic bullshit.

>>32979293
Main problem of the AFD is that they follow the same principle as all parties currently in power..
"Oh, the state caused a problem!!"
"Let's put some more state on top of the problem to solve it!"

>>32979286
>implying green party is all the same
The Minister-president of Baden Würtemberg Winfried Kretschmann a green member is pretty based, even attacked the idiots in his party for to sky cloud opinions on refugees and all.

>>32963374
Hey Germany, it's illegal to gas millions of people and burn the evidence too, now make our damn trigger pins or whatever.

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>>32979299
That sound pretty stupid. As if there is only a slider you can adjust with predictable results.

>>32963374
Best thing I've heard about an armament manufacturer in a while. I'll buy more HK in the future, knowing they hold themselves to certain ethical standards.

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>>32972877
Absolute kek

>>32975883
... The RX8 didn't use a wankel style rotary you idiot

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>>32979650
>posting wrong statements on the internet
Who'd do something like that?
Oh yes, a stupid burger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_RX-8

>>32966808
>pädophilen

wut

>>32979725
Euros fuck off the internet.

>>32979811
No lol

>>32963374
>uphold international law
>this is somehow bad

>>32979798
Pedos are a legit party in Europe, didn't you know?

>>32980025
>krauts upholding treaty designed to keep krauts from doing _________.jpg
we live in an era where we're dropping 500lb laser guided bombs on individuals from drones and the german government is concerned a modern brown german might take a 40mm grenade to the sternum instead of having it shot at his feet and blowing him up genitals first?

>>32980025
If there was an international law that said you have to kill yourself, would you do it? Dumb Germans.

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>>32979811
>top banter
No, no safe space for you to be retarded without being called out for it

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>>32980211
of course, if the state proclaims a law(that doesn't have something to do with speed limits) you need to follow it. The state is always right, the law is always right

>>32980150
Dura lex, sed lex.

>>32980265
>he says as he posts on 4chan, an American website, using the internet, something invented by Americans.
Go make your own website on your own internet. We'll go back to using Gopher.

>>32978963
Grenades are fine. The Hague convention bans use of explosive filler in infantry weapons, on the basis that if you're shooting someone he's already out of commission and exploding his organs is just extra.

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>>32980346
>something invented by Americans
that's not how you spell Swiss, but I don't mind you being stupid around here it's quite amusing

>>32980285
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3EBs7sCOzo

>>32980378
I thought WWW was a british invention.

>>32980378
Right, because the Swiss didn't invent it.
>>32980415
WWW is not the internet. The web is an internet application.

>>32980435
Oh I see, so the Swiss invented the internet and the Brits invented the way to use the internet globally.

>>32980438
No, you still don't know anything. Why are Europeans always this willfully ignorant?

>>32980447
Then what else is WWW if not a way to use the internet globally?

Let's not lose sight that this argument was because he claimed that the RX8 did not have to 13B under the hood.

>>32978891
quality

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>>32980406
pretty much sums it up
>>32980540
yeah, that's nearly as retarded as tripfagging, at least he stopped that.
>>32980447
>willfully ignorant?
The DoD might have invented the Computer network, but denying that the international communication between those networks and websites were invented at the CERN is as stupid as denying the RX8's Wankel engine

>>32979314
>believing 1940s fake news

>>32980683
Man you're a fucking retard. Stop arguing about shit you don't know about.

>>32980699
Now this is an impressive argument to prove your point

>>32980025
>implying that 19th century agreements between Europe and the Ottoman Empire still matter
>implying Germany was even a country then
>implying the US, signed, attended, or was even invited
yeah, you're a retard

This is what I'm fearing the most about my country's military getting the HK416F : that Germany could stop supplying us with weapons or parts at any moment if we were to ever engage in a real war, as they have laws that forbid them to supply warring countries. Germans can never be trusted.

>>32982296
That's wrong, the law just says that all exports to non allies need to be allowed by the parliament and that selling to totalitarian states is forbidden. If France goes to war it doesn't matter because selling weapons to allies doesn't require the OK of the parliament

>>32982296
I assume you're french, right?
It was the same issue in 1914, when the french suddenly realized it might not be so good for their wartime economy to let all red uniform thread import from germany.

>>32980699
Ha you sure got him anon!1!

>>32980211
Actually I'm Polish and I dislike Germs.

>>32980150
>one immoral thing being legal means that other immoral things should be legal too

>>32981520
You know those laws exist for a reason, don't you?

It's all fine a dandy as long as you are not on receiving end.

Imagine that chinks would use lasers to pernamently blind 10 thousands of U.S soldiers.

>>32969856
What German army? They're trying to dissolve it so they can justify setting up an EU defense force.

>>32963628
Probably trigger packs, those things are used on everything, just speculation though.

>>32986263
You're a fucking moron.

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>>32963374
I wonder who is behind this.

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The eternal kraut strikes again - never trust a German.

Don't return the prototypes and reverse engineer them.

>>32988404
>The eternal kraut strikes again - never trust a German.
this. never trust them. backstabbers.

>>32982323
>parliament proclamate France is non ally
>problem
>solved

>>32969134
That quote is from Plato.

>>32963374
are they literally retarded?
can they not into business?

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>>32990770
but we want dem shekels

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>>32963374

>Germany

Poison gas, flamethrowers and sinking passenger ships is ok, hell even genociding a whole people is alright. BUT don't shoot grenades at people, m'kay...

>>32963480
Yeah this reasoning by them is kinda bonkers. The whole schtick of the XM25 is to use the airburst ability to pop a shot into something like a window and accurately detonate it inside for maximum effect. Anyone using it like in Battlefield like a direct fire grenade launcher is doing it wrong. Probably some political fallout bullshit due to Trump i'd wager.

>>32990770
>France
>2017
Video related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kbwSPCfc0o

It won't be long before there's a civil war going on in France and they'll need military help.

>>32963933
They don't think selling weapons to failed states is a good idea.

>>32967836
I've read their policy statement:
"Climate change isn't man-made and moar CO2 is good for plant grow anyways. Also, remove wind power because it's ugly."
Literally unelectable.