The stick grenade is superior to the pineapple.

Wrong, Wehraboo.

Correct, Wehraboo.

heavier, bulkier, more complicated firing

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>>32958749
Instead of making the stick out of wood, they should make the stick out of grenade. That way there would be more grenade per grenade.

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>>32958749
well yes and no.
you see the stick uses mostly pressures to kill, where the pineapple uses mostly fragmentation, so they both do different things, the stick would be more effective in a building, and a pineapple is kinda a jack of all.

however the stick can be thrown farther.

but unfortunantly man i have to agree with >>32958749 the pineapple is more effective.

>t. soldier who's used grenades

If you have guys hiding inside a house or a barn and you throw a potato masher inside everybody inside the building is likely to be killed by the shock wave because the German potato masher was a concussion grenade. This means it had a lot of explosive inside a thin can and it created a tremendous blast with lots of smoke and overpressure. However, a concussion grenade has few, if any useful fragments so outdoors it is most likely to stun rather than kill, unless you practically drop it between somebody's feet, which was very rare in combat conditions because people are not stupid so they will run away from the grenade and seek cover. On the other hand, it was deadly against people hiding in homes and confined spaces.

The American pineapple weapon produced a lot of fragments but had a very small explosive charge compared to the potato masher. This means the pineapple was less useful against people inside buildings but could hurt quite a few guys caught running outdoors, even if your aim was pretty bad. However, WWII cast iron grenades fragmented very badly and very unpredictably, with some enemies surviving without a scratch against all odds. This problem was not really solved until the modern ball bearing grenades which produce such a vicious and dense swarm of ball bearings and other pre-fabricated fragments that withing a certain radius your chances of getting hit by at least a few balls are like 100%.

Also, when the American pineapple detonated the large base plug, the fuse and other large elements could fly up to a quarter of a mile so this grenade was very dangerous to the thrower and other friendlies.

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This is superior.

>>32958849
I agree with you, I wouldn't mind having both types to choose from when I have to use a grenade

>>32958863
kek, try to do his with a pineapple, Ameriboo

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>>32958849
>>32958855

sticks had the option of a frag sleeve

>>32958849
Americans could throw pineapples further than anybody else could throw any grenade, because Americans played baseball.

>>32958885
Stick grenades have been thrown over 300 meters.

Source: your mom was a cunt

>>32958918
Americans used to throw pineapple grenades 500 yards, before the jews convinced all young men that they should play football instead of baseball.

>>32958940
Now we can only throw them 100, and are frequently intercepted

>>32958968
In UK they use to kick the grenades instead of throwing them.

>>32959004
They're good at kicking, but europeans are infamous for flopping around on the ground pretending to be injured.

>>32959004

I could see this as both a good and a bad idea. On one hand you're much more likely under stress to miss that grenade or kick it awkwardly/not as far.

On the other hand you're not picking it up and passing it within a foot of your head to chuck the thing.

Which is better famillamas?

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>>32958878
oh hey, thats pretty neato man.

ok well fuck, without any evidence, i guess if we just assume the stick has the same effectiveness with the sleeve, then the stick wins for versatility.

can I buy it?

>>32958749
>Less shrapnel
Do you even fragmenting...

>>32958849

why would you want a stick attached to your building clearing grenade ?

Isn't the whole point to throw it really far ?

>>32959190

And what do you think travels farther? A stone thrown by hand, or a stone thrown by a sling?

Give me a lever long enough and I can move the world.

>>32959199

So your saying stick grenades are shit because you could just use a sling with a normal grenade and throw it twice as far, where as a stick grenade would be to awkward to sling.

checkmate atheists

You can carry like three times as many pineapples for the space sticks take up

>>32958749
>The stick grenade is superior to the pineapple.

the chinese made extensive use of stick grenades during the korean war to great affect.

>>32959048
Your forgetting that the enemy could easily miss the return kick, or be penalized for using their hands

The range of stick grenades is fantastic, but size and materials trade offs aren't worth it... which is why they're not used anymore.

Also they were used in different doctorines as well.

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>>32958749
>>32958812
>>32958849
>>32958855
>>32958863
You're all wrong
This is superior

>>32959199
but what's better range or accuracy? and when you're room clearing you want your grenade to skitter around so that it isn't thrown back at you. sticks roll in one curving direction a bounced round grenade can go anywhere

though in the open they are less likely to roll back into your position.

>>32959243

Anybody have the file footage?

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>>32959287
>apples and pears

What about one of these:
>>32959287

that shoots:
>>32958863

How would that work out?

>>32959552
You ain't thinking big enough, guy.
Think one of these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryazev-Shipunov_GSh-6-30
That shoots these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

bumpsky

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>>32959588
>big enough guy

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>>32959287
you are wrong faggot

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>>32958885
>>32958918
>>32958940
>>32958968
>>32959004
>>32959038

>>32959287
what if you want to toss a grenade into a room before you charge in

>>32958830
Yo dawg, I heard you liked grenades...

>>32959552
I'm not sure your Tsar bomb will fit into the shells for your autocannon. It might also be impractical to fire so many nuclear weapons so close to you...but that might be a personal choice.

>>32958863
I somehow think that wire wouldn't hold up well

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You're all wrong.

>>32958863
Worlds first MIRV?

>>32964502
Normally they did a few more wraps of string/wire. Just the one is probably a bit light.

But clustered stick grenades were used as a early anti-armor weapon pretty often.

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>>32964561

>>32964561
>be one of the most reliable pistols ever
>omg guise it's basically a grenade
huuuuuurrrr duuuurrrrr

>>32958855

what if you're inside the building and room clearing, then the pineapple would be better, correct?

Didn't Switzerland or somewhere use stick type grenades until recently?

Make the stick seven feet long and use an atlatl

>>32965199
>b-but Larry Snickers on the Snickers Tactical youtube channel said they were good
>he even had some high speed footage of him putting it to the test

Will you please kill yourself, it's a meme, you dip.

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>>32965199
>>one of the most reliable pistols ever
>occasionally explodes

>not understanding the difference between offensive and defensive hand grenades

>not understanding that the offensive hand grenade was made obsolete by the rifle grenade

>not understanding why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch

>>32958749

Stick has better throwing properties, pineapple is smaller and lighter

I wonder how modern materials would work in making the stick lighter

>>32959199

Except it does not work that way - stick handgrenade does not not behave in some magical way like it is on a sling. The whole "you can throw stick handgrenades further" is a meme of worst possible kind. Actual test reports about testing of various World War 2 era handgrenade designs do not support that claim.

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>>32965282
pineapple grenades prove themselves once again

>>32958749
>>32958749
>>32958749
>>32958749
>>32958749
IF NFA GET'S REPEALED GRENADES WILL BE LEGAL. PLEaSE DON'T HURT THE CHILDREN.

>>32958749
Stick grenades are more deadly cause of assault grip.

If it was superior we'd be using them. Instead we have hand grenades for close, and grenade launchers for longer range. That's too much bulk and weight.

>>32965633
It looks like there is a decent chance they'll take supressors out of NFA and make them a Title 1 firearm. We might see SBR, SBS, and AOW removed. I don't see MGs or Exp DDs being removed from NFA at anytime in the near future. Exp DDs would be less likely than MGs.

Ha.

Ever tried carting four stick grenades?

If you want range, use a 40mm. GLA.

>>32958804
>heavier, bulkier, more complicated firing
so is modern artillery compared to bronze cannons, but in both cases the range increase justifies it

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>No one bringing up the M39 Egg Grenade

/k/ is officially dead and pointless

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_39_grenade

>>32958749
That must be why the whole world switched over to them.
Oh wait.

>>32965787
>If it was superior we'd be using them.
"If defense was superior to offense we'd be doing that"
t. WWI general

if stickk so goo why no mor stick?
1+ PINEAPPLE

>>32965237
Yeah so you dont kill yourself with your own grenade. Youll fill that room with metal bits but on the other side of the door youll be alright

>>32964301
why would you want to charge into a room when you can obliterate it?

>>32958855
>>32958849
Clearly OP is just a retard and he meant to compare the stick grenade to a modern (round) offensive grenade.

No fragmentation involved, those are defensive grenades.

>>32958749
To expand upon this....
No stick? Less bulk, more carried.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtiC1fMCLWI

>>32966457
That looks totally fucking annoying for carrying.

Nostick > stick definitely.

>>32966457
after watching this video I have come to believe they are indeed superior, the stick allows them to be carried very easily in many ways

>>32966457
boomstick >>>>>>>>>>>>>boompotato

>>32965263

Swiss here. We used one up until 1985, but then replaced it with a ball-shaped one. Our design was adopted by Austria, the Netherlands and the UK for being so safe to use.

>>32966499
lol not at all are you retarded?

>have stupid fucking stick half-assed secured in belt or in boot
>or could just put it in a small pocket or bag

The round grenade's superiority is obvious.
Now, a collapsible stick... Then you're in business.

>>32965580

>Unsourced Bullshit: The Post

>>32966517

>collapsible stick

That's actually pretty fucking ingenious. I wonder if a thin, collapsible stick (basically the antenna from an old boombox) would lead to a notable range increase.

>>32959199
Why not attach a length of cord to the grenade? You would detach it from the genade body and swing it around yourself to throw. Long fuse, 10-15 seconds.

>>32965580
>The stick provided a lever, significantly improving the throwing distance. The Model 24 could be thrown approximately 27 metres (30 yd) to 37 metres (40 yd), whereas the British Mills bomb could only be thrown about 14 metres (15 yd)
The Discovery Channel: "Weaponology: Episode 10: Frags, Pineapples, and RPG's", 2007

>>32966517
The stick allows for easy grab when in need, and they can be stacked next to machine gun posts easily as well. Pineapples need to be secured to belts or carried in bags and they're harder to grab, and you can't stack them nicely for when they're needed as they would roll away

>>32966560
>The distance the grenade can be thrown is estimated at 30–45 meters.
wikipedia, F1 Grenade, cyka blyat

>>32966583
>no references

I'd go outside to start throwing my dummy grenades through the garden, but it's to cold and I got better things to do

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>>32966518

Finnish National Archive, section of former Military Archives, archive folder T19052. Organisation from which the folder originates: Finnish Armed Forces GHQ, Ase2 HQ. (Päämaja, Ase2-esikunta).

Protocols of Handgrenade Committee for Inspector of Field Artillery, from meetings that took place 30th of November - 1st of December 1942. The key document is one of the attachments, which is test report from tests made in Santahamina military with various handgrenade designs to determine how long was the distance that they could be thrown in.

Testing was done with various personal kits being used by soldiers throwing the grenades, all grenades thrown from standing position on open terrain (also throwing distances in forest tested separately), test options with kits:
- Throw 1: Trench coat and 12 kg pack on. Rifle in left hand.
- Throw 2: Otherwise similar equipment as in 1st throw, but without 12 kg pack.
- Throw 3: Trench coat off, but pack on.
- Throw 4: Trench coat and pack off.
Group of 16 soldiers each threw one grenade of each type with all equipment options.

Several egg grenade designs (such as Finnish m/31 and French F1) proved to be able to be thrown at equal or in some cases even to slightly longer distances than German m/24 and Finnish m/32 stick handgrenades.

Attached: Upper part of 1st page from the particular attachment.

Now provide your source that proves that stick handgrenades could be thrown to significantly longer distance than egg/ball grenades.

>>32966432
You have that backwards. No fragments is an offensive grenade. It's designed to be deployed while you advance without fragging yourself or your allies.

>>32968046

Fake and gay gtfo fucking retard faggot nerd

>>32966556
What could possibly go wrong? A grenade on a string and you're swinging it around your head. You would be a target of your enemies and you would be unpopular with your allies. Fuck that idea.

>>32958749


Yeah, because that is the most widely used grenade design that is still in use...

>>32968046

Two typos:
"tests made in Santahamina military base".
"such as Finnish m/32 and French F1"

1. heitto = 1st throw
2. heitto = 2nd throw - and so on...
Distances given in meters with average throwing distance listed and special observations listed behind it. Grenades listed on the part of document that I attached (from the top):
- Finnish stick grenade m/32
- Finnish egg grenade m/41 offensive
- Finnish egg grenade m/41 defensive
- German stick grenade m/24 (subversion m/39)
- British egg grenade "Lemon"

>>32968115

Prove it... I showed you mine, now show me yours.

Hint: You are too unimportant for anybody to making a forgery for you.

Why not both?

Put a screw hole in the base of a regular grenade and issue plastic grips with screws on the end. Now you can toss your grenades at close range, or screw on a stick and go for long range throws.

>>32968316

Why not just use the grenade launchers they already have. They're more accurate and safer than playing around and throwing high explosives.

>>32965923
less accurate, you need a separate addon to equal anti personal capability, they are more likely to be thrown back, the doctrine of every first world nation disagrees with you.

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>>32966432

>>32958801
>>32958771
Wehrmacht wasn't the first one to use stick grenades

>>32964911
That would be pretty cool
>enemy troops approaching
>throw mini-MIRV into air
>seven independent mini-grenade UAVs home into enemy targets

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>>32965612
fund it

>>32968359
>every man in the squad has a GL

>>32969595
No, but if needed they will be issued grenades. There will be people in their unit with grenade launchers. Not everyone needs them.

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This baby makes me all hot and bothered...
>Dm61

>>32969878
You know you can legally make a grenade in the US don't you? I've seen several people who did them on a Form 1 and used a filler they kept separate from the grenade until use.

>>32969595
Rifle grenades FTW. Modern bullet-trap grenades have none of the disadvantages old rifle grenades had, such as requiring blanks or special firing adapters.

>>32969925
For the weight of 1 or two of those you could give everyone a grenade launcher. You would have ammo compatibility and better accuracy.

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Kwaiinade is cutest , try to argue this

Protip you can't

>>32958749
The nazis kept their sticks for the same reason as the chinese.
They're easier for early industrialized nations to make then all-metal grenades mostly due to the primitive fuse system

>>32966515
Thx JewGoldBro

T. Swampjew

I have thrown both and the Stick grenade is much more accurate, and can indeed be thrown about a third as far. Any man could throw a stick grenade in a window from 20 meters but the mills grenade is a lot harder to aim. However, I do not like the cord mechanism on the stick grenade, it's doesn't feel as reliable as the pin. I love the look of stick grenades, but would opt for round grenades in battle.

>>32958830
So basically an elongated pineapple?

>>32958749
Grenade launchers make them obsolete

>>32964561
LOL!!

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>>32958830
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i-nMWgBUp0

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>>32958749
I can see that the stick grenade can be thrown farther. But the pineapple, I assume can be thrown with more accuracy especially by US GIs who grew up once upon a time playing baseball.

>>32958885
The fuddiest of the fudd lore

>>32958855
It's not balls so much as it is serrated metal sheet or notched wire. This distinction doesn't make much difference in the sense of weapon effectiveness but the production implications are huge.

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>>32958749
>t.

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So far everyone has been wrong, the Polyvalent grenade is objectively the best.

You want to hand throw it? Go right ahead
You want to launch it from your rifle? Extend that bitch and go for your life

>>32968116
You don't twirl a sling around your head, you sling it in an arc and release.

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>>32973213

>>32966529
DESU the most space-effective way to increase range would be to tie a strip of cloth to a pineapple and sling it

>>32975114
How joyless.

I hope I'm never that bored of machine guns.

>>32975312
I really wonder how joyful/less /k/ grandpas' faces where back then