What does /k/ think of gun laws in France? >apply for a licence

Sounds not that bad. Do you guys have magazine capacity limits? Also, can you have a FAMAS?

>>32954704
Category B: 10 magazines per firearm limit. Category C unregistred, no limit.
FAMAS: yes, as long as it's neutered to semi-auto. Very expensive and hard to find though.

>>32954704
I didn't see "capacity" and thought "amount", my bad.
30 rounds magazine for rifles, 20 for handguns. The EU is trying to ban 30 rounders though.

Bolt-action in cat. C is 10 rounds max.

>>32954688
Tbh, category C doesn't sound all that bad, even if I'm against registration. It's the fact that you never really own anything in category B that gets me. Fuck these ip range bans.

Still fucking better than here in Australia where EVERYTHING has to be licensed, even a fucking ASP baton.

I'm in the process of getting my pistol license and fuck me DEAD its irritating. Gotta log our shoots to keep our pistols (and license) to show genuine need to be licensed. (I changed states and had to start all over).

>>32954753
>It's the fact that you never really own anything in category B that gets me.

True. If I stopped shooting at the range and stopped stamping my book 3 times a year, I'd have to sell my AR.
We have a long way to go for our right to keep and bear arms.

>>32954688
Also don't forget that we have to do all the fuckin paperwork every 5 years for all cat B weapons, and are limited in 1000 ammunition per firearm a year

And if I don't go 3 times a year to the shooting range, I lost my guns

And at every moment if my fuckin state wan't to break my firearm autorisation and take everything, they can

So ok I can own suppressor and everything, but I think I'm pretty fucked

>>32954688
And also yes, SBS and SBR have a particular registration, they're in the B category

>>32954804
>fuckin paperwork every 5 years for all cat B weapons
It's just a form to fill and send out once every 5 years. I agree that it's unnecessary but it's nothing really.
>limited in 1000 ammunition per firearm a year
To increase your capacity, you can either buy ammo at the range to shoot the same day or reload.
>I don't go 3 times a year to the shooting range, I lost my guns
Only after 5 years.


>>32954817
Keyword was "particular". Of course they're in B but unlike the US they're not covered behind tax stamps.

>>32954688
Better laws than some places in america

>>32954688
Huh, doesn't seem too bad.

>>32954688
Frenchfag here, and I saw some bullshit.
First, you must add all handguns caliber to the CAT B list. You also cannot possess CAT C once you stop sport shooting. You must renew it every year.
Hunting license, however, is lifelong.

You ARE owner of cat B. Authorisation of buy and possession is 5 years once stamped. You need to renew it every five years, it is a lot quicker than than the first auth request. You basically fill what you have, proof that you did your 3 controlled shooting (2 months min between each, 3 a year, but you already needed that anyway), and you're good to go for another 5 years. Only exception is if you got a criminal record or suspected of terrorist associaton in the 5 years between last time and renewal.

Also, shotguns needs to be rifled to be cat C. Anything smoothbore is cat B.

To be clear:
Sport Shooting and hunting gives you right to unlimited cat C, as long as you keep your license. SS needs to be renewed every year, hunting is lifelong.

Sport Shooting and approval of the Shooting Federation (via your club president) allow you to file an authorisation request for up to 3 cat B at a time, but you can spam them.

Authorisation (wether cat C or B) grant permission to possess, transport "in a safely manner" (cat B must be stored in a safe OR disassembled or made inoperable by the adding or removal of a piece), and carry in your home or at a range (or innawoods if legally hunting).

This being said about home carry, you shouldn't really do it visibly if you don't want the cops to come check what you're doing.

and imho, if you can't shoot 5 rounds every 4 months, you shouldn't be allowed to have guns anyway. And it does a pretty good job at allowing law abiding gun owners to buy whatever they want, while keeping anything better than black powder from thugs and terrorists (at least through the legal market).

I like our laws. Cat B is merely annoying, and still miles ahead of some US states. Also suppressors are not regulated.

>>32954688
No FA, no high explosives, no constitutionally guaranteed right, no CPL, no ammo stockpiles, no ....

No interest, mate.

>>32954837
Since this year shooting clubs must report people who don't renew their shooting licence or don't do the 3 shooting control in the year, so you lost everything directly

I go to the range two times a week, own several cat B and reload, but I think our governement does everything to take our guns, and with the european directive..

>>32954688
>Basic stuff easy to get
>Heavy stuff regulated a bit but still available if you can be bothered
It's pretty good, in principle that's what I'd consider ideal.

>>32954880
You can keep the cat C even if you don't renew your licence, you just can't buy new ammo

>>32954880
>First, you must add all handguns caliber to the CAT B list.
I did, it's pretty clear in the text. I don't want to quote the laws, it's just an infographic.
Black Powder SINGLE-ACTION revolvers are NOT in B, they're in D2 which is totally unrestricted for now.

>You also cannot possess CAT C once you stop sport shooting. You must renew it every year.
That's wrong, buying and officially registrating a cat C firearm makes you the legal owner for life. If you stop renewing your licence, you just cannot buy ammo and cannot transport your firearm anymore.

>Also, shotguns needs to be rifled to be cat C. Anything smoothbore is cat B.
I mentioned that in the infographic.

>transport etc
These aren't important subjects when it comes to gun laws and their ownership: the point of the thread.

>>32954892
Not all shooting clubs do that. The government desperately tries to force their hand but they're not legally obliged to comply.

https://www.change.org/p/council-of-the-european-union-eu-you-cannot-stop-terrorism-by-restricting-legal-gun-ownership

>>32954898
Since you can spend thousand of euros of gun but they are not your property ? You just sort of rent them to your state with a new contract every five years..

If you can't concealed carry, pretty much no point to owning guns

>>32954892
The government has effectively been trying to fight the european directives, thanks to our very strong population of hunters and skeet shooters (even if they are mostly inbred assholes).
The National Assembly and our respresentative at the EU retard fest have actually been doing a decent job. Also our eastern bretheren are pulling their weight.
Hollande and Valls are faggots, but that's soon to be over.

And hopefully with the police getting at last non-retarded self-defense laws, we civilians will follow in the next years.

>>32954918
Mon stand fait ca ( dénoncer veux si ne font pas les 3 contrôles) et la directive est venue de la préfecture selon eux

>>32954944
Our government does nothing, it's bernard Cazeneuve who pushe for the european directive and the " service central des armes"

>>32954945
The prefet is not the law.
Anything not backed by a decret is bullying and should be ignored as such.

>>32954936
I agree, we are fighting to get that right back via some organizations like the ARPAC (CCW for citizens)
It was the nazi collaborationists that took that away from us in 1939.

>>32954945
Change de stand. Fais savoir à ton président et au trésorier que tu les quitte pour cette raison. Ce sont des business qui ont besoin de membres pour vivre.
En campagne, il y a pleins de stand low cost avec très bonne ambiance où les gens ne veulent rien savoir de la socialie Française.
Moi mon président à viré l'agent préfectoral qui est venu faire l'inspection quand il a voulu regarder la liste des membres. Ça s'appelle "liberté d'association" et en France on a encore des droits.

>>32954968
Pas beaucoup de stand qui acceptent les nouveaux adhérents, en tout cas dans les bouches du Rhône, jai deja pensé a changer

>>32954968

Really? In my readings about noir and cinematography I recall people mentioning in postwar France about people just CC'ing illegally anyways. Some director was famous for carrying Luger if I recall.

I'm a Francophile desu, kinda odd for a Texan but I really loved my time in France.

>>32954968

The majority of clubs are suicidally retarded.
I don't count how many clubs I saw refusing inscription for the most supid reasons, as they are terrified of the medias...
"Paramilitaristic apparel" (hunting cargo pant...), Assault style weapon (sportish AR 15), humanoid Target (no comment.), request of sponsorship by two senior members (that's why I call them inbred.), not talking about autokick if you dare have a civil dicussion about religion, politics, or any "sensitive" topic between two series.

And that's clubs that are every year about to close for lack of funding, and complaing about how the gun culture is dead and they have no new members.
Well maybe if they stopped refusing people who like guns at a gun club, things would go better.
Oh well.

(note that not all club are like this, I finally found a very /k/ fun club in the south, and they are full every Saturdays.)

But I agree, leave these assholes and let them die.

>>32954997
Something to look into is that founding your own private range is relatively easy (the only trouble might be noise if you live close to city center).

All you need is 3 walls, basic soundproofing, and follow the process with the FFT.

>>32955015
Post-war France was chicago Hollywood style fifties.
A mess. Everyone and their dogs had a gun.

But the following decades did a bit too much of a good job putting regulations on everything.

>have french girl fetish
>accent makes pee pee hard as rocks
>most french girls are liberal and only date french chads

>>32954997
Les nouveaux non mais les gens qui ont déjà carnet de tir rempli y'a pas de raison. Le problème des nouveaux ce sont les gens qui veulent un pompe sans jamais avoir tenu d'arme de leur vie. J'en vois tellement des comme ça, première question en arrivant: "on peut tirer au FAP ici lol?"

>>32955015
A lot of people still CC illegally today, we simply call them muslims now.
No really, before 1939 we could legally carry weapons and before 1995 (!) we were able to buy semi-auto rifles, shotguns or any bolt-actions without any registration.

>>32955068
since I'm in the south, what club is this ? I will try to contact them if it's not to far from me

>>32955098
Move to the Irish girls, lad.

>>32955094
>>32955099

Sounds like it used to be awesome. Walking around 1930's Paris with a 1911 while slightly buzzed off wine and listening to jazz in side street clubs sounds amazing.

>>32955130
Paris was still racially homogeneous then...

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>>32955130
How the mighty have fallen

>>32954880
Request for clarification:

Does one have to log the 3 times a year on each of his/her guns?
Or is it "log one, keep all?"

>>32955207
just with one gun and it's ok

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>>32955207
It looks like that. You get a stamp with a date 3 times a year and you can keep the cat B guns. It's just to prove you are actually shooting and not just buying the guns for something else.

>>32955207
>>32955224
It doesn't even need to be one your own gun, the range usually lend some for control shooting day.

It's just to check that you exist, that you actually practice, and that you can hit the broad side of a barn without being a threat to public safety. (because retards, psychos and bums exists and we don't want them to get semi-auto shotguns.)

>>32955261
And some ranges don't even require you to shoot to get it. I can just go there some morning, get my stamp and go home.

>>32955104
still waiting for the name of the /k/ friendly shooting range ?

>>32954688
how come no russian rifle ammunition? is it for political reasons, or something more stupid?

>>32955296
There is an embargo yes.

The 2013 law is decent. Too bad the current gov is pushing the EU for stricter gun laws. semi-auto versions of military weapons might go to cat. A.

>petition against the project:
https://www.change.org/p/council-of-the-european-union-eu-you-cannot-stop-terrorism-by-restricting-legal-gun-ownership

>>32954688
Cat. B is restricted to 12 guns, and 1000 rounds a year per gun (better learn to reload)
If you're a sport shooter shooting more than 1000 rounds a year, you can ask for a derogation to buy more.
Also you have to possess a gunsafe at home, and a lock system when transporting the weapons.

>>32954716
The MAS .223 isn't a neutered version made from a regular FAMAS, it was produced alongside the F1.

>>32954771
You can leave it to an armorer until you've renewed your license. Some armorers have entire rooms filled with weapons lent to them in such circumstances.

>>32955094
They wanted to stop the right-wing leagues, IIRC in 1936. Of course it failed completely.
And then the german came and confiscated everything, even hunting rifles and blackpowder weapons.

>>32955296
"war" calibers.
So single shot weapon in .223 is cat.C, bur single shot weapon in 5,56 is cat. B.
Doesn't make a lot of sense, but it prevents some gangstas from their AK ammo legally, I guess.

>>32954688

Pretty good and better choice than we have in the UK plus your not cucked by having to have semi autos in 22 rimfire.

>>32954688
>.223
Surely you mean .222 right? "military" calibers a bad

>>32955438
.223 even in single shot is in cat B

thats why you don't see bolt action rifle in 223 here but in 222 instead

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>>32954688
sounds kinda shit tier

but it should be common knowledge that switzerland is the only God tier country in europe

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>>32954688
Our laws are kind of the same, only simple stuff requires more hassle and then there are no magazine capacity restrictions or brass count caps whatsoever. Handguns take 2 years to get thanks to school shooters, and sbr/sbs have their own separate category which doesn't cost extra but is harder to get permits for.

T. Finland

>>32955507
Czech Republic seems to be pretty solid as well.

>>32955655
Its not just hard to get SBR/SBS gun, its impossible due to POHA

>>32954688
so if you skeet shoot you can buy cat C rifles but can't shoot them?
can you own break action smooth bore shotguns for skeet shooting or are you stuck with rifled barrels?

but yeah the whole thing is incredibly asinine, especially restricting military calibers solely to be a pain in the ass.

>>32955754
just pump shotguns need to have a rifled barrel to be in C

3 round semi auto shotgun and break action smoothbore are in C and you can go skeet shooting or hunting

>>32955754
and since 2013 it's not that bad, 308, 7.62x54r and 8x57is and same military calibers are not restricted

before 2013 mauser were rechambered in 8x60 or 8x64 mosin and 49/56 in 30-284, a lot of guns where fucked

>>32954688
That is way, way, way fucking better than I'd expect from France. We were basically at that point before. Not 100% ideal but that's damn fine in terms of Europe.

I mean, fuck's sake, unrestricted black powder. That's practically insane to imagine over there.

>>32955686
No, it's definitely possible in farther north. I personally know people who have <84cm rifles in their possession, legally.

>>32955955
In the north everything seems to be possible regarding firearms, so im not surprised
Here in the south it's impossible, i dont know anyone with an SBR/SBS and police commonly refers to those as "bandit guns".
Getting a semiauto rifle or any TT3 is a pain in the ass too, due to retarded made up rules by the local police.

>>32956025
I got TT3s from both hki and i-u PDs without much hassle. My second rifle was delayed and my permit expired, but the i-u PD let me use the material from the previous application for the new one too.

>>32955783
>unrestricted black powder.

Probably not forever though. The EU commission wants to restrict it.

>>32955754
>so if you skeet shoot you can buy cat C rifles but can't shoot them?
Depends on the range actually, I don't shoot skeet. Some ranges are more permissive than others and don't mind if you set up a target to zero in your rifle... while others will just say "lol fgt you've got a bead on the barrel what do you want to zero?"

Break action, over-under smooth bore: cat C, yes.

>>32954688
I registered 3 week ago, I'm still waiting for the first paper who will allow me to buy cat c weapons. Then I'll have to wait months for cat B. I just hope I'll be able to get ar15 because you know the eu want to put the ban but its still not official.

>>32954688
>can only buy x amount of ammo per year
Into the trash it goes.

>>32955783
where are you from?

>>32954688
>just need a form, free of charge
>that you will wait in most prefectures for 2 /3 months for it to come back
>SBR/SBS do not have a particular registration
yet.

Mon ami, prépare toi à des lois plus dures.

>>32954688
>You never really own Cat B, simply borrow them

That's a fucking piss poor way of saying it. They're not rentals.

>>32956131
Can only KEEP 1000 ammo per firearm per year. You can get around the legislation by:
-buying more guns of the same caliber
-buying ammo directly at the range (must be used the same day)
-reloading

Reloading is the best because you can buy any amount of casings you want and thus have more than 1k. Just don't get caught...

>>32956308
A voir.

>>32956316
It's still true. They're not technically your property if not doing X makes you lose them.

Not driving your car doesn't make the cops come take it.
Not shooting my AR makes the whole State system believe I'm preparing a terrorist attack.

>>32956316
You're right, you buy a gun and if you don't keep feeding it regularly and tracking all your shots at your designated range (that you're also paying through the nose for) the cops will drop by and take your rifle without giving you a cent in recompense.

>>32956330
>You can get around the legislation by:
It's still shit. Even us poor northerners living in a socialist hellhole have no restrictions when it comes to that. Well, actually, we do have a restriction; we can't store more than 10k rounds in one place due to explosive hazard.

>>32956330
>They're not technically your property if not doing X makes you lose them.

They're your property. It's just that ownership is subject to review by a higher authority.
You can't drive your car if you don't renew your "contrôle technique".

Sérieux, faut arrêter d'être con.

>>32956338
>You're right, you buy a gun and if you don't keep feeding it regularly and tracking all your shots at your designated range (that you're also paying through the nose for) the cops will drop by and take your rifle without giving you a cent in recompense.
In no way does that make it "borrowed". You own it, and you lose it if you can't meet certain requirements regularly.

>>32956347
Strawman much?

I said the cops won't come take your car if you're not driving it. They fucking will with a semi-auto rifle.

>>32956346
We all have pros and cons regarding gun laws, that's why we need common goals for more freedom. We need an European NRA.

>>32956357
>I said the cops won't come take your car if you're not driving it. They fucking will with a semi-auto rifle.
That does not make it borrowed.

>>32956357
Not that guy, but unless things work differently over there, you still retain ownership of the rifle, you just lose possession. The police can hold it, but they can't destroy or sell it without asking for your permission. You can also sell it yourself to another person who has the right to possess it, and the police have no say on the matter.

So the analogy you're presenting is not equivalent.

>>32956369
If a State authority can decide to take it away from you without any compensation, it is really yours?

>>32956374
>you still retain ownership of the rifle, you just lose possession
Alright, for the sake of being honest we have no concrete proof/anecdote of rifles being actually destroyed, we just assume it would be the case because it's the law.

When a sport shooter decides to stop his hobby, he has all the reasons to sell his B firearms as fast as possible because he knows he will risk confiscation and destruction of his "property" by the authorities.

You can pay a gun shop to hold it in your stead but again, it costs money and in my opinion, you are not legally the rightful owner of an item like that. Should we keep philosophical about it? I don't think so. It was just a small exerpt from my infographic.

>>32954688
simultaneously better than California, but I'd find the situation intolerable and would start advocating the violent removal of politicians.

>>32956422
California and other nonfree states are honestly among the worst places for gun laws in the entire world. Most of Europe is a lot better.

>>32956357
The huissier will take your furniture if you don't pay taxes, it doesn't mean it's not yours.
By your logic you can't own a TV set inFrance due to the redevance.

>>32956392
Just lend them to your club/armorer, you dingus.

>>32954688
Any info on the Czechs? I heard they're more pro-gun and wonder if their laws reflect that

>>32956451
You get a license that you need to pass a medical and competency test that depends on the category of license. The most popular form of license is self defense and they're all shall issue.

>>32956451
Why you asking a Frenchman about guns laws in Czech Republic.

au francais ici

je veux acheter un pistolet à poudre noir, je suis Britanique. Aurai-je besoin francais I.D?

I'm spanish and french (with DNI and Carte Nationale d'Identité), and i envy your laws.

Here in spain is a chaos, a lot of calibers are banned, we don't have silencers, we can't buy gunpowder. I'm gonna sell my 30.06, let my license expire and cross the Pyrénées.

Can you tell me any web where i can get info to get my license? thanks.

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So based on this thread, the US, despite having several cucked states, is still the #1 place for gun rights in the world?

>>32954688
Category D is missing out stuff like bow, crossbow, throwing-anything, slings and more if i missed anything.

so you can actually defend yourself full medieval at home, it's good to know

>>32957544
I think places like Syria would trump the US.

>>32957725
Does Syria have a Constitution that codifies and enshrines a basic right to self defense and firearms, or is it just that a lack of law makes it easier to obtain weapons? Because in the latter case the US still has the best gun laws in the world.

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If I were to design gun laws it would be like this.

>Class C: Shotguns, bolt actions, single shot guns and semi auto rimfire with 10 rd mags or under. Can buy them anywhere. No different than buying a fishing pole. No Registration, nuffin.

>Class B: Semi auto center fire and semi auto rimfire over 10 rounds. License required to purchase. Acquiring one would be simply a matter of being over 21, having a psychological evaluation and background check. You own the weapons, can only legally keep them loaded in your house and at the range, must be transported unloaded and in a case otherwise

>CCW Liscence: Similar to what it is in some states. You must take a class and qualify

>Class A: Full auto and everything else. You must take a class and demonstrate that you are able to control recoil correctly and therefore are not liable to cause collateral damage.

>>32957951
class C would only work in an utopia where people are civilized and know guns are not toys but respect them

>>32957824
I think Islam does.

>can't CCW
what's the fucking point