Can i run steel case ammo through my ar-15 or will it fuck it up?

>>32929084
It'll fuck you up your ass

>>32929084
I'd buy a few boxes before you put any money towards a case. My AR won't feed it. It'll jam every 3-4 shots. They wear your barrels out sooner as well, but the savings in ammo price might be worth it.

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/

>>32929084
Two seconds of google.

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/

>>32929084
tulammo is awful, keyholes and shoots ~15 moa at times
wolf steelcase works well but isn't accurate

>>32929117
>>32929122

Hivemind.

>>32929136
i think your ar sucks dick, faggot

a suitable gun for you

>>32929084
Most non-shit ars can use it fine

>>32929136
>keyholes
Not unless your barrel is fucked

>>32929084
If your AR isn't a low quality piece of shit, it will be able to handle either one.

>>32929117
That's what a figured. I knew it was rougher on the gun but for how often i take my rifles to the range and with steel case being half the price i didn't know if it made sense to just replace the damaged parts or to use better ammo.

>>32929183

Whatever you say, Vlad.

>>32929117
it doesn't wear barrels quicker, it wears chambers quicker.

the main problem with steel in the AR platform is the operation of the rifle is designed in such a way that the brass casing bulges in the chamber to create a seal, that insures reliable operation. it was at the time one of the subtle innovations of the design.

steel cases are more rigid and cannot create this seal. thus, even if you have a $300 AR or a $3,000 AR, neither will ever feed SC reliably.

the fact that it even on the market is not a surprise to me, but the fact that people actually keep buying loads of the stuff boggles my mind.

Steel case runs through my rifle fine.

Question - Is there any reason steel case ammo would be bad for an SBR and ok for a 16"?

>>32929211
Its a Del-Ton Sport Lite

Had a guy offer to trade it for my hex nugget. Said its only had like 200 rounds through it.

Figured if worst came to worst i could just sell it for a profit and buy another nugget.

>>32929084
Steel is fine.
Just don't clean your gun with a bore snake, it will fuck your barrel.

>>32929257
>even if you have a $300 AR or a $3,000 AR, neither will ever feed SC reliably.
Thats not true. The only time decent ARs have trouble is when switching to brass after shooting a lot of steel case without cleaning. If all you ever used was steel case, you might never have a malfunction related to the fact that youre using steel case.

>>32929257

steel case is softer then brass, and it seals the chamber just fine, the problem in shitty ar's is the gun cant handle the tougher extraction.

>>32929084
Steel is alright unless its really hot or really cold.
>ripped right through 3 rims with my TC
>it was 80 degrees out

>>32929322
really, why is that? I usually clean with a rod and a brush so i'm curious.

>>32929323
So would i be correct in assuming that the gun starts to become broken in to the ammo you put through it the most and switching could cause an issue?

>>32929122
>>32929117
Federal shills sure are quick.

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>>32929084
>run

>>32929257
A 556/223 AK would be nice. Sometimes the steel 223 is cheaper than 762x39

>>32929322
is that caliber specific? I've used a bore snek on my Mossberg 12 gauge for quite a while with no problems.
>I can't even remember when I got it. I've only had the shotgun for three years, tho.

>>32929344
>steel case is softer then brass, and it seals the chamber just fine,
Its not and it doesnt. This is evident when you look at brass cases fired after using steel cases. There is very clearly carbon buildup caused by steel case which sticks to the brass cases because they seal the chamber much better

>>32929084

>using steel case

just use brass

is this ammo good?

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>>32929423

oops forgot pic

>>32929372
>So would i be correct in assuming that the gun starts to become broken in to the ammo you put through it the most and switching could cause an issue?
No, it has to do with carbon buildup from steel case ammo not sealing the chamber fully. After youve cleaned the chamber the gun can use either steel or brass with no problem

>>32929433
So as long as don't try to mix the two between cleanings I should be good as long as my rifle doesn't have any immediate issues with cycling the ammo?

>>32929084
Your extractor/ejector are gonna be destroyed eventually, but hey till then by all means.

>>32929565
but its cheaper to replace the whole bolt carrier every 1000 rounds than it is to spend the extra money for a 1000 rounds of brass.

>>32929500
Pretty much

>>32929084
If you're cant handel steel its somehow below a 500 dollar sporter

>>32929084
steel case ammo is certainly safe

you suffer if you reload them, the accuracy is not so good (though this of course varies)

malfunctions are much more common, speculation is rife
some people blame the steel for not being so flexible, some blame the anti-corrosion coat on the steel, some say the poor seal allows fouling which narrows the diameter of the chamber slightly
but whatever the cause, expect jams that require tools to correct.
it's common for people to have to put something down the barrel and hammer out the case from time to time

steel case is unforgiving on your extractor, this is well known
however you probably still safe money overall; and the extra wear is relative to the number of rounds you shoot
the wear is NOT because the steel is harder than the brass, brass is quiet hard, and the steel used in ammo is mild
the actual reason is the increased force required to extract the steel
for this reason guns with a more violent ejection (like you FAL) can even be more reliable firing steel because they won't tear cases so often or at all

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yes you can.

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>>32929100
>dubs
>fpbp

>>32929344
>steel case is softer then brass
The fuck am I reading

>>32929117
If my guns can't run on the shittiest ammo available (Tula) then I sell them cause I don't want a gun that needs gucci premium ammo to cycle properly.

I mainly shoot wolf and even brown bear for practice.

>>32930463
Do i need to worry about east block steel case having corrosive primers or is just the old soviet military calibers that have that problem?

>>32930551
You don't need to worry about corrosive primers if you clean your gun after every time you shoot ammo that contains it.

>>32929117
>My AR won't feed it. It'll jam every 3-4 shots
lol your AR is trash

>>32930850
your AR would probably beat itself to death on full strength 5.56 rounds...

>>32930872
nah it runs everything fine because it's not a piece of trash

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>>32930850
>>32930872
ITT My dad could beat up your dad

>>32929309
DTI-S08**** serial number and up? If so I worked on it.

>>32931034
DTI-S09

That's pretty neat. you work in design or in the factory?

>>32929211
there's a point to where high end AR's can be finicky little bitches too.
If it doesn't eat what you feed it, it's not worth having. No matter which corporate logo is on it.

>>32929432
Yes its new production federal brass case

There's no need for Gucci 5.56, if its brass case and new manufacture its pretty much guaranteed to be at least decent.

Got an Anderson mfg ar for $700, bought 1,000 rounds of steel case for it. Never jammed once. Feels good

>>32929432
>>32931169
There's nothing wrong with it. My ammo stash is roughly equal amounts of this, Independence, and PMC with a little bit of other Israeli ammo thrown in too.

>>32929117
>>32929122
this test is bullshit

They got the barrel to 700 degrees which is hot enough that the steel is much more susceptible to the light abrasion from the bimetal jacket

That and the throat is about 1200+ degrees if the rest of the barrel is 700

that throat was completely fucked from overheating

>>32929084
I have had good experience with Monarch steel case from Academy. Ran 100 rounds of it with zero issues. Just a little dirtier is all.

>>32929344
No bro, steel is both harder and less ductile
>Mild steel casings have a Rockwell hardness value of about B71. Brass casings have a Rockwell hardness value of B58.
http://packingpretty.com/2012/02/13/the-facts-about-steel-casings/

>>32931102
At the factory, really fun job.

steel case is fine, its just the brass lobbyists trying to scare you

I'm considering building a 7.62 x 39mm AR Upper. The alternative is buying the AR Stoner Upper for $400

>>32933104
But anon 7.62x39mm is worse in almost every single way when compared with 5.56×45mm.

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>>32929084
>having doubts about steel case ammo in rifle
>Worried that steel case ammo will fuck up rifle

>>32929257
it feeds and extracts alright if you use polymer mags and a heavy enough bolt carrier/buffer spring and dont let the chamber get too hot.
the savings you get from shooting steel case if you shoot multiple thousands of rounds is enough to buy a whole new upper, or pay a gun smith to put in another barrel if it does wear it out. i still think that steel case in an ar-15 should be for range use only, don't rely on it in a life or death situation

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>>32929084
Why do the Russians use so much steel case ammo, anyway? Are they too cheap for brass?

>>32929084
Don't use it in steel mags
Otherwise perfectly fine, just dirtier.
People complain about wear on bolt face and chamber.
Bfd, you swap out your barrel at 40k rounds instead of 50k.

>>32934857
yes

>>32934857
Nigga, they have an absolutely fuckhuge military made up mostly of conscripts who can't shot worth shit, they can't even buy their guys gloves let alone brass case ammo.

>>32929309
Your main problem is being a poorfag

>>32929084
I used to worm at a gun store and at least once every 3 months somebody would come in with an AR-15 that was fucked up because they were shooting steel cased ammo in it. The problem is that they coat that steel casing in a lacquer to keep it from tarnishing and rusting. Once the chamber starts to heat up from shooting it starts to melt that lacquer. That lacquer then melts all over your chamber and bolt and pretty much turna into super glue and locks it up. Unless you feel comfortable with the idea of having a live round stuck into your breech so tight that you have to heat it up with a heat gun and take a metal rod and mallet to hammer it out then I would go the extra mile and spend the extra $0.50 more per box for brass ammo.

>>32936840
Oh. And another problem is cleaning. Brass is far more flexible than steel. When you fire a round the mouth of a brass case will typically bell out and seal the chamber better. Steel typically doesnt do that. Aside from melting lacquer all over your chamber you're also gonna be blowing carbon and unburnt powder all over the inside of your weapon. Once that lacquer mixes with all of that carbon you're gonna end up with a black gummy mess that pretty much requires some type of very caustic and aggressive chemicals to dissolve and remove.

>>32936840
>once every three months
sounds like it's not really a problem if you only had four people a year need service

>>32936915
Or maybe it's because we always warned people who bought steel case ammo from our store and only ran in to that problem with new customers who bought their ammo somewhere else and didn't know any better.