Cz

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>>32926774
Because Gunsmith Cats

feels good man

>>32926774
It's okay, especially for the price point. I have one, but I'm selling it. It shoots well enough, which is the most I can say for any pistol.

>>32926774
Cz 75 is a good looking gun because it looks much like the Browning Hi-Power, which is a supremely good looking gun.

>>32926774
It isn't a glock

>>32926774
>Why does everyone suck this gun's dick so hard?
memes
>Is the hype real?
No. CZs are shit.

I like mine. Good simple field sidearm. Strong mechanism for a 9 mm. Dunno where the hype comes in.

It's your only real option for a cocked and locked real steel 9mm with a modern capacity, unless you want to burn money and get an old Sphinx.

>>32926892
>modern capacity
16+1 vs the Hi-Power's 13+1 is pretty negligible.

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My P-01 Omega Tactical.
Those who dislike CZ have never handled/fired one. Shoots like a dream. Very solid and smooth action. Overall amazing gun, especially considering the price point.

I have 2 75B's. One SS one black. Factory trigger is pretty shitty, but easy to fix (at least on single action squeeze). When you hold one, shoot one, break one down.....It just feels like love, like good sex. Too damn heavy to carry for me though. Use LCP, G27 or G17 for CC. Still, 70% of the pistol ammo I Shoot gets fed to the CZ's.

>>32926785
Pretty much this. I do like them over the Hi-Power just because I like the look better.

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>>32927021
Trigger is indeed very heavy when fired double action. Omega trigger is different than regular cz trigger so I cannot comment on that.

>>32926774

It comes in 10mm and feel nice when I hold it.

>>32926774
>looks good
>extremely controllable because steel frame weight and to a lesser extent low bore axis
>available with manual safety or decocker
>very accurate by production handgun standards
>comes with better-than-average sights
>extremely large surplus market where you can get rough-looking but functionally flawless guns for around $250, and used to be able to get them sub-$200
It does have a lot going for it.
>also featured heavily in a manga and anime

That being said, it does have some unique drawbacks.
>trigger geometry is pretty shit, trigger bow is too heavily cupped
>DA trigger pull is insanely long and heavy compared to other hammer-fired DA/SA pistols
>extensive issues with rust, partly due to being marketed as "stainless" despite not actually being stainless, and partly due to them using a sub-par paint-on finish that chips/flakes easily
>detail stripping 100% requires an extensive toolbox (slave pins, soft-faced hammer, dental picks or forceps, etc)

>>32927068
>It comes in 10mm
Pastagun brofist.

Sexy as hell, balanced, cheap, steel, accurate and reliable.

It doesn't have any major failures outside of its cult popularity, which is only a failure for contrarian faggots.

>>32927099
It always amazes me that a country with such a long and consistent history at positively sucking at warfare has an equally long and consistent history of making excellent firearms.

>>32926892
>>32926976
Hi-Powers' have 15+1 flush fit mags pretty commonly.

Beretta 92 is a steel frame, though bulky.

>>32927133
>it doesn't have any major failures outside of its cult popularity
Trigger is complete shit, Omega trigger somewhat less shit. That's a pretty big failure for a pistol that regularly retails for over $550/$700 respectively, new.

I will say that their SAO trigger is fucking amazing, but those simply aren't available on sub-$1k pistols.

>>32927158
Beretta 92 is an aluminum alloy frame, hence why it's light for its size. And CZ75's have 18+1 flushfits with aftermarket, or if you wish to include the Czechmate and Tactical Sport (since they're still listed as a CZ75), 21+1 flushfit.

>>32926774
That's a nice glock. What kind of glock is it?

>>32927182
Glock 75 nigga.

>>32927179
>Trigger is complete shit, Omega trigger somewhat less shit.

One of the better stock DA/SA triggers on the market

You don't know what you are talking about.

>>32926976
sp01 gets 18

>>32926858
BAIT

>>32927158
>>32927264
Still though.

Reliable, well-tested, andwidely cloned action design. Affordable, will shoot better than 99% of people out of the box, trigger is better than anything else in their price range, and very comfy grip,

Basically everyone should buy a Glock 17/19 or a CZ-75/75 P-01/75 PCR. Everything else is a waste for full-size or compact. Literally also-rans on the global market.

How do the jew and italian knockoffs compare?

>>32927348
Jew ones command a higher price while having inferior triggers and less aftermarket comparability.

Spaghetti guns are fine but there's no reason to buy anything but a 10mm from them.

Turk guns are well made but triggers are a bit worse and aftermarket cz internals won't fit in them.

>>32927348
Jericho is good if you want to pretend to be a space cowboy.
Tangfolio is good if you're Italian and are buying a semi auto for no reason when you would be cucked to 5+1. They can buy 8 shot revolvers which makes it hilarious.

>>32927094

I agree with the paint job being on the brittle side. I have the A version and have managed to scrape on one or to occasions. I assumed they had addressed that issue on the newer versions.

>>32927391
Compatibility not comparability

>>32927238
The standard CZ trigger is shit all over by the FNX, USP, HK45, HK P30, half the fucking CZ clones like the Jericho 941 and Tangfolio Witness, BHP mkIII and newer, and the Beretta 92-series. Pretty much the only guns with worse DA/SA triggers have been discontinued.

The Omega is a bit better, beating the CZ clones and the USP and IMO tying the BHP (better DA, worse SA, pretty much a wash).

>>32926774
It's a wonder nine that uses a normal browning locking action (unlike the Beretta 92) and is cheaper than a P226 with better ergonomics (subjectively) than either.

>>32927398
Nope. I've got a new-production 75B and a P01, the 75B is already chipping on the slide around the muzzle and there's a big fucking scratch clear through the paint on my P01 from a screw in my holster.

>>32927094
Detail stripped my CZ 75BD for bluing and it required two punches and two slave springs (made from nails) and a non-marring hammer. The 75BD is the most challenging to strip. Only thing I didn't do was remove the loaded chamber indicator which most CZs don't have.

>>32927460
You clearly didn't take the firing pin pack apart then, because that's 11 pieces by itself and required 2 sets of forceps to get a tiny fucking spring in the right spot with like zero clearance when I took my P01 apart for a trigger job.

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My only complaint is the machining marks inside

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>>32927428
>The standard CZ trigger is shit all over by the FNX, USP, HK45, HK P30, half the fucking CZ clones like the Jericho 941 and Tangfolio Witness, BHP mkIII and newer, and the Beretta 92-series. Pretty much the only guns with worse DA/SA triggers have been discontinued.

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>>32927508
Not sure what you're talking about.

>>32926774
It's a good gun, currently it's the nicest pistol I own. It's among the nicest pistols I've shot, though I'm not sure I would say it's the number one spot. It shoots really nice and is easy to be accurate with, but the machining could use some work. I've never had a problem as a result, but the slide operation is not as smooth as it could be. The trigger is good, but it's not great and can't compete with a nice 1911 or the like. For the money it is hard to beat though.

I don't know if you would consider me as sucking its dick, I acknowledge it's not perfect, but I do quite like the gun. Is the hype real? Largely I would say yes, though like any hype it's somewhat overstated.

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>>32927552

>>32927593
Yeah, I can see that. But I don't find those to be a problem. They don't stand out to me or look at of place. Besides, that rail rides in the frame. It's not a finished surface. It's not meant to be seen and has no need to be a glass-smooth finish.

>>32927140
It's karmic balance for Rome conquering the Mediterranean with Spanish swords and Celtic armor.

>>32927626
Yes and I only remember it when cleaning my firearm, like I said that is my only issue with the 75 and it's not much of a problem at all but it is there.

>>32926774

Looks cool and has a nice trigger and the grips fit my hand well. Don't own one, but handled one and liked it

>>32926785
I love it when my fictional characters get autistic about guns

True love right there

>>32927643
I can see that. At this point, it's almost something I expect from guns from anywhere east of Germany...

>>32927626
All those little dents, nicks and whorls are places rust will form first.

It doesn't effect the function of the firearm, no, but can have a negative impact on its longevity if you aren't meticulous about keeping it oiled.

>>32927530
>I have no counter argument so I'll post a reaction image without saying anything!

>>32927501
That's what the slave pin is for. The other one is for the trigger spring.

a gun you can't dry fire because of the shape of the firing pin and beat himself to death on the take down pin

>one of the best...

>>32927701
I said apart, not out.

It's easy to take it out as one complete assembly with the use of slave pins. But when you have to get a spring into a tiny little hole in one of the middle pieces WHILE it's assembled, you need something to snag it with.

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>>32927706
Yeah, I love my CZ but I broke my pin that way. Get a half roll pin for $5.

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>>32927689
Would me calling your opinion incorrect in a lengthy post, citing all the firearms you already cited as having worse trigger pulls in my opinion satisfy you?

>>hurr here is my opinion
>wrong
>>hah gotim!

>>32927729
Yeah, in that case a pair of needle nose pliers is also necessary. I've done it a bunch of times because I installed CGW shit. The worst part is the miniscule spring that goes in the firing pin block lifter. I don't even bother because it's returned to its position by the firing pin block spring anyway. If you want to get that back in you need a lot of patience, a plastic bag, tweezers or a tiny screw driver. But you don't really need to do so and you'll probably lose it the first time you take apart the gun.

All of these issues are why they greatly simplified the trigger group with the Omega models.

>>32927749
Okay, let me ask you this then.

In what way are they worse? Because they're universally lighter and shorter, and none of them including the CZ are even remotely gritty.

Because according to multiple trigger pull gauges, my 75B is 11lb4oz DA and 6lb2oz SA with about a half inch trigger travel before break, and my P01 is 10lb10oz DA and 6lb1oz SA with about a 5/8" trigger travel before break.

>>32927820
Yep. I fought with it for about an hour using forceps to no avail (fortunately already knew about the plastic bag trick), swapped to a dental pick to snag the end of the spring with, and got it in about another 5 minutes.

I've not torn an Omega apart yet, but they do look a lot simpler.

>>32927837
The CZ trigger is actually pretty gritty and some grit remains in double action even after polishing all the contact surfaces. This is because it relies on surfaces sliding against each other rather than rotating against each other. Having tried a p226 trigger, I was amazed how smooth it was. Like a revolver.

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Inside the omega

>>32926774
It was simply everything I wanted and more.

>>32927876
Guess I've been very fortunate with the literally dozens of different CZ's I've shot and the two I own, because I wouldn't call any of them gritty.

>>32927892
holy fuck that's a LOT simpler.

>they discontinued the Omega

>have to buy the gay tacticool Omega if you want the Omega trigger or go get the basic model worked on.

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Its just good for the price and looks nice.

>>32927948
faggot

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>>32927892
holy shit it's not clockwork hell
Inside my 75BD
pls ignore the rust for the time being. I tried phosphoric acid but it strip the bluing right off, "rust converter" but that strips the bluing and leaves a paint like black coating. I guess I'll need to try boiling or something.

>>32927903
guess so

>>32926774
>Good looking and reliable SA/DA pistol with low muzzle flip that can be had for glock prices
You tell me

>>32927991
good work detective

>>32926774
Reasonably priced DA/SA, hammer-fired, metal-framed gun

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Daily reminder that the p-01 is the ONLY domestically available pistol to pass NATO durability testing.

Cz are possibly the best guns Under $600 and the Glock and Sig fags hate that.

>>32926774
It is the short rail version that is overhyped with 10000x fold blue samurai steel.

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>>32926774
not sure but the cz 455 fs is pure awesome.

>>32929131

CZ rifles are way better in regards to quality and aesthetic than their pistols. I got the 527 and it is bretty good. Might get a 550 in 6.5x55 in the future.

>>32926774
It's just a decent 9mm at a decent price. Nothing more, nothing less.

>>32929310

Pretty much. Everyone's opinion in this thread is pretty black and white.

>below $600
>pretty okay trigger
>double stacked
>all metal construction, absorbing more recoil and more durable
>pretty gun
>functions quite well and eats pretty much whatever
>the Jews and others have cloned/reproduced this gun
>but it has a tiny fucking slide

Decent gun. Great for beginners.

>>32927689
>can have a negative impact on its longevity if you aren't meticulous about keeping it oiled
That applies to every gun. Even a 1911 will rust if you don't take care of it.

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>>32927021
man these urban grey editions seem to have some consistent qc issues from my experience.
>see jewtube video about a guy who got one with dead tritium sights from the factory
>write that off as a one-time deal
>sell sp-01 urban grey to a guy who ended up having the exact same problem
>buy a p07 and put money down on a silencerco osprey
>the rear sight drifted right off the dovetail even after tightening the set screw

i didnt have a bad experience with my sp-01 but goddamn, what is CZ doing nowadays? i feel like they are becoming too aware of their "durr best kept secret of da gun wurld hurr" and just churn shit out without giving a shit about qc.

granted the CS at CZ is pretty on point and mailed me a label ASAP, but still. i wanted this shit to replace my g19.

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Their pistols:good
Shotguns:great
Rifles:stop you from dying in a rockslide and shoot .75" groups the next day

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slide seems kinda small to grip fully, just get yourself a wheelgun kiddo.

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>>32926774
It's a reliable, accurate gun that looks good and feels even better in the hand.

It might not be the end all be all of 9mm's, but it's pretty fuckin' good.

is compact 75B worth 629? I'm in CA and I can get a fullsize 75 for 625

>>32930781
>feels even better in the hand
This, CZ's grips feel like they were made specifically for you.

>>32928548
Does that include the SP-01 or just the compact P-01?

>>32933057
First off it doesn't matter. I own both and EDC the P01. Only the P01 has the NSN markings but it doesn't fucking matter.

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>>32926785
>Because Gunsmith Cats

Not really, Rally shits on just about any CZ that's not an original first generation, which are extremely rare because there are less than 50 in the U.S.

In reality, CZ pistols are just good, reliable, accurate, low recoil, low muzzle rise pistols..


There's a reason they are one of the "Wonder 9" pistols.

Extremely influential design, One of the most cloned and used pistol designs world wide. Along side the hi power, it is in service by more countries than any other western pistol design.

>>32927398
>I have an A model

Can this meme die? There is no such thing as a CZ-75 "A".

The B in CZ-75B stands for "Block" because the new gen CZ pistols that started production in the early 90s were given an updated design and a firing pin BLOCK

>>32933336
>There's a reason they are one of the "Wonder 9" pistols.
It had capacity that was considered high at the time.

The Hi-Power is also a Wondernine.

>>32933350

I know it is not technically called an A. But it is the first version that I own with the old grips and original mag, and it predates the B. I bought it around 1990. If I only call it a CZ-75 everyone assumes it is a B.

>>32927179
>Trigger is complete shit,
You're devaluing the meaning of "complete shit"

"A little grainy" is nowhere near "complete shit". You pull it and it makes the gun go "bang" reliably, at the same weight, every time. That makes it better than a yuge number of lesser pistols.

Is the P07 worth it?

>>32927428

Versions without firing pin block safety usually have really nice triggers, the ones with firing pin block safety not quite as nice, but still better than in most pistols.

>>32927094
I have a surplus 75b where the paint is chipping off everywhere and looks like shit. The bluing underneath looks fine though. What should I do?

>>32927428
I like the BHP, it's my favorite gun of all time, but for a single action pistol it has one of the shittiest triggers ever

>>32934285
Then call it a "pre-B" model like everyone else does, you buffoon.

>>32934684
>Is the P07 worth it?
Yes. Though I'm personally more interested in the recently reintroduced SP-01 Phantom. Poly frame, but accepts all the standard 75 mags/parts.

>>32926799
what price are you asking?

>>32937296
Take everything good about the SP01 and then ruin it by removing the added weight of the metal frame and destroy the triggers potential by inserting a decocker instead of a manual safety. No.

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I've noticed this wear on the spring housing of the slide of my CZ 75B. It seems like the inside of the frame is rubbing on it (only on the right side) and wearing the finish.

Anyone else have this problem? Should I do anything about it? It's my first CZ, so I'm not entirely sure what to expect.

>>32938595
It seems like there's less clearance on the right side of the slide (which makes sense). Also, I'd swear that the relief cut on the top of the barrel is off-center. Could that cause this? Maybe make the slide favor one side?

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>>32938621
Forgot pic

>>32927324
still what? 18 vs 13 is almost a 50% increase

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I can't speak for all CZs(I've never fired a modern one), but my Pre-B is the most pleasant handgun I've ever shot. I upgraded my recoil spring to one with +1.5 lbs, and my hammer spring with one that's -2 lbs. It hasn't made a huge difference, but it's still supremely comfy. Something about the small slide and the heavy steel make it remarkably soft shooting. I'm looking into some CZC trigger jobs.

>>32926976
Speaking of Hi Powers, I've upgraded my trigger and springs to the point where it's easy to dump a 15rnd mag in 3-4 seconds, and I'm hoping I can do the same with my CZ.

>>32927158
92s aren't steel frames, if I remember correctly. They're some aluminum alloy. Maybe the earlier ones are steel though?

>>32934273
Wondernines have to be DA/SA. The hi power is SAO.

>>32938669
Where the fuck are you getting 18 and 13 to compare the two from? How about 18 and 15? That's three extra bullets, not 50%.

>>32938710
They've always been aluminum, probably forged 7075 like every other handgun in its class.

>>32926774
It is a legitimately nice shooter. Handles great, aint finnicky, shoots good, nice stable and substantial steel frame, nice trigger, and at a good price.

>>32938695
Gimme the lowdown on that HP triggerjob because I want to get my magdump on my Mauser 80SA down to 2-3s.

>>32938775
I have an FEG, so I can't really speak for Mausers. Luckily the hungarian guns already come with a lighter hammer spring than Belgians, so that saved me the trouble of messing with that funky retaining pin and that disc thing. Removing the magazine disconnect is an absolute must. It's easy enough that there's really no excuse not to do it. A slightly heavier recoil spring helped a bit as well.

The biggest thing I had issues with was the overtravel. After the hammer drops and the trigger is pulled back, slowly push the slide out of battery and see how much further the trigger comes. That makes for a MUCH longer reset than it already has, and the reset is already long and isn't tactile at all. I had a steel disc that was the perfect size to fit in the area of the frame where the front of the trigger contacts it. I JB welded the disc into that area of the frame and it took out all of the overtravel. Ill post a pic in a few minutes of the area in the frame that I'm referring to.

My next project is finding a way to further shorten the reset and takeup which I think I can do in a similar way.

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>>32938880

>>32938695
Why in the shit would you raise the poundage on a recoil spring??????

>>32939016
Makes recoil softer. Springs, especially on surplus guns are often worn out or on the lighter-side for modern loads. Hell, on some guns you NEED to upgrade the recoil spring unless you want stress fractures. in your frame

It's still 100% reliable, so I'm not worried.

>>32939034
You're doing the opposite of what you should be doing. Most CZ shooters lower their spring from anywhere between 13lbs and 11lbs.

I run 13lbs instead of the default 19lbs that came with my G34

>>32939355
The poundage doesn't matter. Recoil spring should be set at a weight that has the barrel pointing back on target when rapid firing. If you rapid fire and string high then up the weight. String low then lower it. You sound like a retard with your "everyone is doing x" yet you have no clue why they are doing so. You're welcome.

>>32940175

Of course you tune your ammo but a lower weight of 13lbs will run everything.

The POINT is to make the slide action smoother. But please tell me more since I've only been shooting standard and limited for a decade now and have no fucking clue what I'm talking about.

>>32939016
>softer felt recoil
>more time for pressure in the barrel to lower before unlocking to reduce gas blowback

>>32937559
550 w/ box and 5 mags

>>32940972
Any iffyness with the mags?

>>32927994
naval jelly

>>32934684
Yes. I have a P-09 that is outrageously accurate and hes has least 2500 rounds through it without a single malfunction of any kind. I wanted to get a P-01 as a carry gun but honestly I'm probably just going with a P-07.

>>32938347
P-07's are Omega triggers, you can just swap the decocker out for the included safety lever. It takes less than 5 minutes.

CZ75 is the ultimate expression of Saint Browning's designs.

Fun Fact: The CZ-75, Beretta 92 and Sig P220 were all designed in the same year. 1975 is the year of the wonder nine, (although the P220 was singlestack, it led to the P226)

>>32944799
More evidence that nothing good came out of the 70s.

>>32944811
>nothing good came from the 70s

the 1970s was the best decade in cinema history you shitlord

>>32944822
>best decade in cinema history

imo the 2010's so far definitely have some really, really solid movies.

>>32944834
>imo the 2010's so far definitely have some really, really solid movies.
which ones? ID2?

>>32944834
what? I can't hear you over the sound of all these remakes and reboots. Care to give some examples?

>>32944846
>>32944850

It Follows
Sicario
Inception
Wolf of Wall St
Django Unchained
Interstellar
La La Land
Shutter Island
The Place Beyond The Pines
Nightcrawler
Captain Phillips

just a few.

>>32926774
>cheap
>good aftermarket
>reliable
>aesthetic
>feels good
>not a block

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>>32944877
>It Follows
literally all shit. Also, since Jurassic World came out in the 2010, I will forever hate this decade.

>>32944936
>not a block

ayyyye look at me, I'm a contrarian child who can afford to use a shit gun because I'll never have to use it....

Glock>piss>shit>...>CZ

>>32944974
wah wah, i had my nostalgic movies ruined by Jews in hollywood!

Shut up, it's been happening for years and years.

>implying It Follows didn't have some of the best cinematography in the last 10 years
>implying It Follows didn't have an original plot

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>>32944974
>can afford to use a shit gun because I'll never have to use it....

>can't afford to move away from niggers
>REEEE BLOCK IS BEST

Sounds about right.

>>32944993
>>REEEE BLOCK IS BEST
you got that right. the only think I'd consider a CZ for is as an anchor while I'm on holiday cruising with my bayliner on the french coast. yes, I'm europoor.

>>32944993
>Block is shit, SHIIIIEEET!

>S&W makes Block.
>Walther makes Block.
>HK makes Block.
>Sig makes Block.
>CZ makes Block.

>>32945013
>europoor

you can't even own guns faggot leave

>>32944877
I'll give you Interstellar and Nightcralwer

>>32945026
>you can't even own guns faggot leave
lol

m P-09 is pretty great, would recomend

If you live in the US and not god forsaken Canada like I do it can hold 19 rounds in a flush fitting mag

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>>32945017
Never said Block was shit.

It's cheap and works very well. HOWEVER, it's ugly as sin and feels like shit in my hands (huge bassist hands).

You're gun is perfectly fine. I just like baiting glock owners.

>>32927068
where

>>32926858
God I fucking hate you

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>>32945078
>HOWEVER, it's ugly as sin
I disagree. the only improvement to Glock aestetics is the Polymer 80 smooth frame. I've been dreaming aobut that for years - albeit with the regular trigger guard. the poly80 one looks liek it could be on a cheap chink made zombie knife.

safety or decocker?