Slide Release vs Overhand Rack

>>32917438
Fuddlore
>it produces unneeded stress on the release
Yeah, no shit, and after 10k rounds you'll probably need to replace it. That's the intention.

theres multiple arguments both ways, such as fine and gross motor skills, consistency, ergonomics, weapon design and control placement, etc. you likely get 6 different answers from 5 different people.

tl;dr, do what works for you 99% of the time.

>>32917438
It is not fudd lore. If you take advice from /k/ over police instructors you are retarded. Both will work but it is easier to pull a slab of metal than flick your thumb over a little lever that you may be too sweaty or shaky to hit correctly your first time

>>32917438

Do what ever the Academy wants you to do. After you're done with all that shit, do what ever you feel is better.

>>32917627
Guy 4 knows what's up.

>>32917601
I can do both, but the slide release is much faster although the vast majority of my reloads on both my personal glock and the issued one end up auto chambering auto chambering anyway. I just don't buy the fine motor skill thing, my thumb is right there. If your motor skills are that diminished due to stress, your sight picture and good trigger press are probably gone too.

>>32917438
One involves two hands, one involves a hand with a thumb. Seems pretty obvious which movement is most efficient. All the fine v gross motor skill stuff is bogus.

>>32917627
I do, I'm just wondering if there's any good reason I should abandon the slide release technique permanently.

>>32917627
THIS
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>>32917504
Also this

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Listen to paco....use the slide release

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Weapon specific. Glocks or other pistols with tiny releases, don't both it really is too fucking small to hit

HK guns have giant slide releases, and newer models have ambi slide releases. This introduces other problems that led me to sell my p30, but it's fucking easy and consistent to hit the levers

>>32917694
except you're already using a second hand to reload anyways.
If magazine retention is important however, you can bring your weapon on target and let the slide go foward while indexing your empty magazine in the pouch, but for defensive shooting that's irrelevant.

>>32917781
This.

Some guns have a slide release. Fine. Whatever, use it. Some guns have a slide lock. (usually smaller carry guns). You need a lot more force to get those to release because it was designed for a slingshot release.

Read the manual.

also, don't take advise from fucking 4Channel over your instructor. If I was your instructor and you told me you wanted to keep playing with your button because the internet told you to, I'd strongly recommend they can your ass.

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>>32917438

>>32917482
Doesn't it also round out the frame though? And there's a possibility of it failing while you have a finger in the ejection port or something, which would be bad.

>>32917601
Please sell your guns retard

>>32918326
it rounds out the slide notch
100000 slide drops later you might have an issue. that issue would be oh no the slide didnt lock back the rest of the gun still works.
its a non concern

>>32919075
Well for a civilian, sure, but I'd bet a lot of police handguns aren't brand new.

Maybe after 20+ years of law enforcement, those slide releases will add up.

I mean, I don't necessarily believe that, just playing devil's advocate.

>>32919103
if a $400 glock or any gun really lasts 20 years constant use its damn well served its purpose admirably

>>32917438
>and the instructors are pretty emphatic that we shouldn't use our slide releases to chamber a round.

Practice both. Better yet, find which one works the fastest for you. Get a timer, try both out. Find that you're not as fast when you don't use the slide release? Cool, use the slide release.

It's a very hobbyist thing to subscribe to one and ONLY one. Fucks sake, your guns typically have workable slide releases, use that shit.

Also police academies are VERY incestuous. It's their way or the highway, they've been doing it for an X amount of years and it works for them so you have to do it their way. Training for the lowest common denominator.

>>32919103
there's a reason gun stores regularly have LEO trade ins. Like their cars, which are on a mile count, I'm sure the pistols have an annual turnover or a round limit before they have to be decommissioned.

>>32919263
Supplementary video if you give a shit, OP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMcc9OmjmWQ&t

The only reasoning that makes sense to me is to train to rack the slide because if in the heat of the moment you release the slide too soon then you are falling back on something you don't practice and racking the slide anyway. Easier to train and not mess up under stress.

>>32919103
>>32919275
Need to replace a $12 part with $15 of labor? That costs too much. Might as well buy a new $450 gun.

Typical government spending logic.

>>32919103
You're all on the right train on the wrong track. The guns aren't the same at every PD, and the wear on them isn't going to be in the same ballpark so you train to prevent a failure in a shitty gun. The academy trains to the most common set of skills needed, then you OJT and retrain with your current job. You retrain over your career as you move and take on different responsibility. (not a cop, but did some time in as a medical trainer/aed salesman for emergency services and boat crews)

>>32920071
Not weapons related.

>>32917438
problems that can only occur in america, with american "quality" guns

>>32917627
>Do what ever the Academy wants you to do. After you're done with all that shit, do what ever you feel is better.

There is also a good chance that your firearms instructor at our station will teach something different when you do your quarterly qual, so keep that in mind.

>>32918285

granny bout to fuck you up

>>32920071

Lol Goebbels was the dumbest motherfucker and everyone always hated him.

>>32917732
>>32917627
This. Fucking thiiiiiis

Dont be a retard and argue with your instructors. After you prove youre competant in the achademy you can start doing things your owm way.

>>32917601
Nigga plz.

Slide release/stop is quick as fuck. Faster than a slide slingshot especially on Sigs and CZs.

I've never forgot how to hit it after decades of pistol shooting.

>>32917781
P30 owner here and I use it in competition. The slide automatically releases once a new magazine is inserted making this thread pointless for HK master race members. Can't believe you sold your P30 because of the release lever.

>>32917438
At school do what the teacher tells you and don't play the smart-ass - it's the same in a police academy. Once your training is over and you passed do whatever you want but always keep in mind that you have to remain flexible. Train everything. Overhand rack, slide release, one-handed reloads with strong and with weak hand.

Generally speaking the overhand rack makes more sense as it works with all pistols (with exception of some antiquities), and it's also the same movement you do when clearing malfunctions.
In some situations, the slide-release is superior as it's faster and requires only one hand. I assume that slide-release is the better technique for competition where time is an issue.

>>32917627
dude, do everything exactly like the protocol tells you, you can do 99% of the things correctly and you will get fucked for the 1% of the thing you did wrong. I use the slide release and never had any issues but as a cop, i do protocol 100% of the damn time. Have your ass covered.

>not slamming the mag in so hard the slide goes forward on its own

>>32917438
MPTC Boylston???

I generally don't use the slide release. I try to keep the practices shown to me by instructors.

However this is why I think instructors are generally mall ninjas despite any military or le experience: if I look at how my jui jitsu and kickboxing teacher were to handle any questions I have, compared to a tactical shooting instructor, I have complete faith my self defense teacher is going to have a solid answer for me. No matter how detailed my question is.

My point is if you can't break down the fundamentals of why you do something, then why fucking do it?

>>32919485
>$15
>Government labor
More like 150 before it finally gets done.

>>32917438
Sounds like fudlore
>slide release is meant to function just fine
>don't ever use it

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Can you believe they be silencen queens and shit????!!