Will a .380 center mass to the chest in light/normal clothing

>>32916122
Maybe.

>>32916122
Under certain circumstances, definitely.

>>32916122
A .380 will do at an absolute minimum , 6 inches of penetration.

So you tell me baby girl. How far R U,?

>>32916122
Depends if it penetrates and destroys the heart. Maybe not instantly, but certainly very quickly if it does.

>>32916142
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Only way to instantly put someone "down" is a CNS hit. So if you're lucky and it penetrates to the spine, they're going down.

If you hit the heart, it'll take a few seconds, but they'll die pretty quick, but no instant "down".

A severed lower brain stem is the best way to instantly down someone.

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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV5G1J1SaTE

e.g. this test shows a 1 inch penetration difference 380 vs 9mm using the same ammo and test parameters... so can one expect a 380 to roughly do what a 9mm would do on a center mass shot attacker?

>>32916364
"roughly" in the sense of real world stopping the attack/putting someone down

i realize the 9mm is dumping a little more energy etc.

>>32916254
This is ignoring the tendency for gunshot victims to just crumple due to subconscious response.

OP the truth is it's impossible to predict what will and won't One Stop Shot aside from major CNS damage. Someone might drop at a .380 to the chest but another person might keep running after getting tagged with a burst of 5.56

This is a large part of the mentality of using larger calibers over the old standard of .32 or .380 - 9mm presents the best standard compromise between ballistic damage and weight while offering high carry capacity, and that's why it's treated as the starting point.

To answer your question historically, .380 was a common carry caliber for decades

.380 is fine for self-defense. Unpopular opinion, I believe .22 is viable as well as no recoil essentially allows for one very accurate and fast magdump.

It's about center mass/critical hits, but magdumping will drop just about anybody. If the body loses enough blood it simply can't continue on

>>32916525
>magdump .22 in self defense
Then the media tries to crucify you for shooting a gentle giant 20 times, conveniently leaving out what round you were using.

>>32916364
Hornady is a shit brand in pistols.

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>>32916652
>the media

>>32916652
Whilst you're right that's moving the goalpost pretty far, don't you think?

Also, media/courtroom perceptions are something tinfoil hats worry about. Whether or not their trigger is aftermarket, if they have a punisher skull on thier Glock backplate. Truth is if you used your weapon as self-defense in a life threatening situation, then you're chances of being found innocent are rather high.

>>32916122
No handgun round will with certainty.

>>32916677
Trust me, I know.
>>32916682
Zimmerman was found innocent but the media still ruined his life. Furthermore it's entirely possible to get a shitty jury and prosecutor, depending on where you live. It's a real concern.

At the end of the day you should use whatever works best for you since it'll always be better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. I don't see any reason to tempt fate unnecessarily though.

>>32916676
Critical Defense is designed to quickly dump 100% of it's energy into the target, that's why you never see huge penetration. They fully open up within an inch of initial penetration and almost never clog.

Also little risk of collateral damage as they refuse to over-penetrate.

If you want penetration, use a flat nose FMJ. Decent stretch for a FMJ and all the penetration you want.

Just make sure no friendlies are behind the target.

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>>32916707
.500 Smith and Wesson Magnum. Firing a 350gr JHP bullet, it can exceed 3000 foot-pounds of energy, at nearly 2000fps.

>>32916831
Eh, still not certain

>>32916254
THICC

>>32916843
>3000 foot-pounds
maybe, but that's like 9-10 average 9mm rounds of energy

>>32916677
You know that "voices" bit in red means its an OP/ED and not a news article, right?

>>32916142
FPBP

Essentially just a shortened 9mm. Get some nice loads, you can put anyone down just the same as 9mm.

And they dont make a Walther PPK/S in 9mm.

All you lads are aware of hydrostatic shock right?

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>>32918516
>And they dont make a Walther PPK/S in 9mm
huh? what are you replying to?

>>32918420
thank you for your REEEEEE

>>32918627
Go on...

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It's probably a 75% chance to quickly stop if it's high/center mass.

>>32916122
Instantly? I'm not sure anything but destruction of the nervous system will do that. Of course a bigger or more energetic round helps your chances.

.380 SHOULD be enough. There are plenty of cases of .45 not doing the job too though. Handgun rounds are very circumstantial. I wouldn't trust a single, or even a double, shot to put a person down for sure.

>>32916525
I agree, .22 is viable ballistically, even if it is not ideal. The issue is the lower reliability of rimfire cartridges. But a gun is better than no gun.

>>32916707
.44 Magnum is when handgun cartridges start approaching the stopping ability of rifle rounds. .454 Casul land .500 S&W are technically handgun rounds, and are very potent. I think everyone can concede that these are far from ideal carry cartridges though.

>>32916736
I've heard the argument for loading a defensive .380 with FMJ for penetration. It almost seems like it would be a good idea to load a mix, either alternating or keep the last few shots FMJ as a last ditch.