Please no buyers remorse.....

>>32905983
if you dont want buyers remorse skip all that shit and buy a glock

>>32905983
>Taurus
>Safe
Heh.

>>32905983
All of them are okay.

Don't get that Ruger it's a POS, the Taurus is a good gun though.

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>>32905983
Go try them out at a range. Everyone has different opinions when it comes to what is most comfortable or what shoots the best. I've got a Ruger 9e and I think it's a great pistol. Amazing for the price.

If you're looking for CC you can also consider the SR9C. Some people don't like it because of the manual safety or loaded chamber indicator, but if it doesn't bother you it's a great little pistol.

>>32905983
Just get a glock 19 and call it a day. You'll develop deeper personal tastes and preferences later, but for the time, you should pick a common option that will help you learn shooting.

You can grow to be a huge collector with a billion fancy guns, but you'll never look back and say that the glock 19 was awful.

>>32906056
This

And if you really line the S&W and get the Taurus, you'll just end up wanting to get the M&P later.
I've heard some places are selling the first gen M&P's cheap since the 2.0 was released.

>>32906402
Yea, I saw the M&P going for a fairly good used price.
But reading about the steel reinforced forend and the better locking mechanisms for loading made it very tempting to go 2.0

Canik TP9SF Elite.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto-Pistols/BI.aspx?Keywords=Canik+Elite&NoReserve=1&Condition=1&Sort=4

>>32906056

I took the time to shoot all but the Taurus last time I went out.
This was before I knew about the G2 and what it had to offer.
Got to say, the Ruger was pretty solid, but the M&P just felt good with those changeable grips.

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>>32906499
I don't know much about S&W, so I don't know how important those things are. But one thing to keep in mind is that the M&P series was widely popular, and I haven't heard of many failures because the original pistols didn't have those things. They've been working fine so far, and they will keep working fine.

Manufacturers tend to overstate how important new developments are. They need to give people a reason to want whatever the newest product is over what they already have.

>>32906593
That's good. I'd say give it another try with the G2 to really help you make up your mind.

I don't know if you've heard the phrase or not: but buy once, cry once. If there's something you clearly prefer, it's usually better to go with it (within reason, don't go buy a ferrari because you don't care for camrys). Being frugal has it's place, but there are times where being frugal can waste more money than going with the more expensive option in the first place.

So we can give tips and suggestions, but at the end of the day you know your mind better than any of us.

>>32905983
The Ruger SR's are tits, except the base duty size 9 and 40. The compacts have the good trigger they're known for. The 9E is supposed to have the updated compact triggers but I haven't used one.

The MP is also a pretty solid choice. You can grab the 1.0 at a low cost right now with all the police trade-ins. They will have the best sights of those 4 for sure. I have mixed feelings on the Shield. It could probably stand to have a shorter grip considering it's a subcompact and the triggers won't impress you. The SD9VE's are being sold at Taurus-cheap prices right now but that's the only reason I'd recommend one. At $250 it's a great bargain for a reliable pistol.

You do not "play it safe" with a Taurus, you "roll the dice" for a $50 discount. Pick one of the first two companies if you actually want a decent warranty.

>>32906037
>bait or Florida native

>>32907010
My 9e has the same trigger as my sr9c, didn't know there was a different one for the sr's.

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>>32905983
Fuck all that and get a Sig P320 compact. You don't want buyers remorse? That's the gun to get.

>>32906597
the standard M&P will auto-release the slide if you ram a magazine in hard enough. this is one alleged reason they lost the MHS contract.
the beefier slide lock and the much better grip texture are two reasons why they're worth the extra money

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>>32907216
will the 19 stop a chicago jamal?

>>32906499
I meant new Gen 1 guns, but I guess the used ones would have a good price to.
I can understand wanting to go ahead and get the 2.0. If the full sized M&P2.0 trigger is like the trigger on the 45 Shield I've looked at then it is VERY different from the first generation.

>>32907275
I really like the trigger on my 45 shield. Not bad at all for a carry gun.

>>32907239

I trust my life to a HK usp .45 w/ 230gr Winchester Ranger +P jhp.
You can poke holes with a 9mm all day, Id prefer a well made hand cannon

I bought a Taurus PT111 G2 yesterday for $200. 12 shot 9mm. Takes 18 round Kanik mags and 20 round Sig P228-9 9mm mags. Good 22 ounce CCH gun. The quality is surprisingly good. Hickok 45 review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH3tJrK2ma4

>>32907398
>usp .45
>hand cannon

You can pester them with .45 all day, but for me it's a pair of cut down martini-henrys in .450 or nothing

Glock 19.

If it's good enough for the police, and military, it's good enough for you.

>>32905983
Taurus can fuck up a S&W revolver clone. Are you going to trust 'em to not fuck up an auto? I wouldn't touch a Taurus with a 20-meter cattle prod.

>>32907476
It wasn't good enough for the military. That's why they picked the Sig.

>>32907091
The original release full sizes had stiffer trigger assemblies and the safeties cut into some people's thumbs. Something might have changed after the first year recall. The company claimed they were the same but retroactively acknowledged they weren't when the 45 and E got announced. The 9c and 40c have the same triggers. Some people complain about early grit but a good lube and washout really helps.

>>32905983

Smith & Wesson M&P9 2.0
Glock 19
Walther PPQ
Sig P320

My first gun was a Glock 19. Loved it as it was my first, shot the hell out of it for 3 years, got a raise and decided to buy another gun. Bought the PPQ and loved the stock trigger. Ended up wanting to change the stock trigger on the Glock but ended up carrying the PPQ. The Sig P320 was released and loved how you can change the frame. Ended up carrying a compact version of the P320. I love the quality of the gun and the trigger is great.

The M&P 2.0 just came out and I thought about buying it, but I think I enjoy the triggers on the PPQ and P320 more (which means more carry time).

The CZ P10C is coming out this year and I love the quality of CZ's so I'll buy that when available.

I believe the Walther PPQ is the most affordable for now. Although it did get a little price increase.

>>32905983
Glock 19 or SIG P320

>>32907526
The reason block wasn't in the running in the military trials is because they require a manual safety.

>>32907628
Still would have lost to the Sig.

>>32907526
>>32907628

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIBqDUrrRlw

>>32907628

The P320 doesn't have a safety either. It will now for the military version, but Glock would have gone the same.

>>32907628
Glock has produced pistols for contracts with manual safeties.

Of your 4 choices OP I'd avoid the Taurus unless its all you can afford. I had a Millenium Pro (previous gen) and it was actually a very good gun for the price. It was nicely accurate and the only reliability problem I had was with cheap steel case. I also loved the ergonomics for my manlet hands. But the trigger sucks bags of dickss. The break isn't horrendous but it has about a mile of slack on it. If it is all you can afford it is a good choice, but I'd save up for one of the other options

Also dont listen to the Taurus memes, atleast with the PT111 series. It is Taurus most refined polymer guns, and I have only heard good things about them from people I know.

>>32906019
That's how you get buyer's remorse.

>>32907476
Except it wasn't good enough for the military.
Even the FBI didn't want it but some paid shill keep pushing Glocks in their ranks.

>>32905983
You should look at or shoot a p320 and CZ p-07 or p-01.
Very nice guns that can be had for around $500

>>32907691
>Implying S.E.AL.S don't pick whatever the fuck they want regardless of what is issued.
>Implying that adopting the Glock wasn't done by a fucking shill just like with the F.B.I

>>32905983

Get an M&P 9 or a Glock 19 as your first gun if you want striker fired.

Taurus and Ruger striker guns are garbage don't waste your time with them. If you are that poor however you might take a look at a Makarov or P-64 since they are even cheaper but better built and better to learn to shoot with.

>>32907784
Fuck you. Taurus may be shit but don't lump Ruger in with them. SR9 series pistols are absolutely fantastic.

>>32907784
>Ruger striker guns are garbage

Smells like snickers in here

>>32907812
near as makes no difference garbage... the 9E is the only one that isn't jewed up... and not really cheap enough to bother getting over a better design...

>>32907837
>those ellipses
>pauses for heavy breathing

Larry did you just stand up out of your chair?

>>32905983
Ruger American, P320, Glock
>Also, I have a Concealed permit as well cause why not to help in the advice.
ProTip: Good CC guns are not good shooting guns, but a modular grip (P320/Ruger American) can help with that.

>>32906037
Larry it's past your bedtime

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>>32907867
it's a sarcastic trail off you poor piece of shit...

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>>32907144
My only complaint is that it's a fat ass, like, that ass is fat as shit. May have some issues with printing depending on the clothes you wear.

That being said, it is one of the most comfortable pistols I've ever held, really surprised me with how naturally it fits my hands.

>>32907957
>poor
>piece of shit

Stop projecting Larry, you're going to need your oxygen tank in a minute.

>>32907837
>the 9E is the only one that isn't jewed up

what the fuck are you even talking about

>not really cheap enough

nib with taxes and shipping, around $350

>>32907958
It's not bad. I carry mine daily without printing. If you are worried about it though trade in to the small frame instead of the medium one.

>>32907144
The Sig P320 is another good bet. The Army only spent $17mil to prove it was better than the Glock. There will be huge aftermarket since this will be the new US Joint pistol.

The other good bet is the Glock 19. It is pretty universal across the police and civilian market.

As another anon mentioned, get a good pistol now, shoot the shit out of it, and learn what your personal preferences are down the road.

Do not waste your money on a Taurus or M&P.

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>>32908020
You know exactly what I'm talking about Mr. Goldstein...

>>32908020
Cmon anon, be a good goy and just pay $500 for a glock with a shitty trigger and plastic sights so you shell out more money later. Don't forget to buy fireclean too

>>32908092
Who the fuck cares about the loaded chamber indicator? Seriously? How does it negatively impact the gun?

>>32908152
It's all the bullshit safeties on the SR9 they had to strip off to make the semi passable SR9e... Also I bought a Sig 2022 for $350 which shits all over the ruger...

>>32905983
If budget is in mind and you still want decent quality get a keltec pf-9. I carry a keltec p32 love it.

>>32908152
Well obviously because it lets you know the chamber is loaded. On superior Glock you have to pull the trigger while pointing it at your leg to check, much better system.

But seriously, it doesn't bother me that much, and for people that it does, can't you grind it off/take it out?

>>32908180
It's hard to trust the opinion of a person that misuses ellipses more than teenage girls misuse the word "like".

>>32908180
Nothing in your post answered his questions. And no one gives a fuck about your shitty sig

>>32908292
A mechanical loaded chamber indicator is another point of failure and pathway for the ingress of dirt and fouling materials................... faggot

>>32908322
If you have to pull your gun and end up dropping it in the mud or dirt you are gonna be dead anyways............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ Faggot

>>32908373
What about crawling in mud.

>>32908322
Yea you're right. A ruger isn't a good cc weapon when you can't stop shitting in your pants while you underwear carry

>>32908397
When are you realistically gonna be crawling in mud before a shootout unless you're an oper8r?

>>32907806

They're cheap junk. OP would be better served by a commbloc 9x18.

>>32907812

They are NOT cheap enough for how shitty they are. He would literally be better off with a Makarov or he could just buy an M&P or a glock for about the same.

If they were like $425 MSRP then MAYBE but they are over $100 overpriced and they're fucking rugers so who knows when they will cease being produced.

They also will not hold resale value as well as a glock or M&P or Makarov.

A lot more goes into making a gun shitty than 'it didn't explode in the 200rnds my poorfag ass could afford to shoot through it in the last year and a half', okay.

Just because you fucked up doesn't mean OP has to as well.

>>32908373
Added complexity for zero benefit, loaded chamber indicators are retarded... faggot

>>32908669
Press checks are retarded.

>>32908668
>Don't buy cheap shit
>buy cheap slavshit instead
>or a glocknade so you can ND into your leg

You've never used a ruger, haven't you? You literally have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Come back when you have an actual argument kiddo, and not

>I-it's cheap s-shit

>>32908815

Nice memes.

I own a ruger SR-45.

The makarov and every other gun listed in this thread (except the tauruses that aren't the pt-92) is not just more proven and reliable, they also hold their value and can be sold or traded easily.

There is NO reason to buy polymer striker fired rugers EVER.

Practically every other gun manufacturer does striker fired polymer pistols better. Pick any of them, don't pick ruger.

>>32907600
This

>>32906019
>3290619
>19
>Glock 19
Kek has spoken

>>32908863
So what are all these qualities that make the Ruger shitty?

>>32907526
Then why did Socom ditch sigs for glock 19s?

>>32907698
Proofs?

Glock 19, thank me later

OP I'm in the same boat as you, where my decision on the one gun I buy is crucial.

I really think I'm gonna go with a glock 19. They aren't hard to find right? Like I can walk into an average gun shop and they're more than likely going to have it, right?

I come from the cucked state of MA and recently moved to FL so I'm kinda new to this but I look forward to freedom

>>32911433
LGS (local gun shop) will have them but they'll most likely be overpriced. Buy online and get shipped to a <$20 FFL.

Also, consider getting a USP.

>>32911433
The one thing I was told when I was buying my first gun was "buy it new, it's your first gun" so whatever you decide on getting, get it new. I myself have a Glock 19 because I've used it extensively and knew how to disassemble and maintain it.

>>32905983
>no glock
You already lost, man.

>>32907697
No they wouldnt have.

Glock has stated many times they will never have anything other than the "Safe Action"

>>32907333
Sorry if it sounded like I was saying the trigger was bad. Most people will probably think it an improvement. I just wanted to mention that that would be another noticeable difference between the two Generations.

>>32908863
I own a 9e

never had a single jam of any sort, fte or ftf, even with shitty tula steel case

i dont buy guns to resell them so that point is moot, and is has fuck all to do with reliability

im still waiting for a reason why ruger polymer pistols are shit

>protip: there is none

im still waiting for an argument, kid

>>32905983
>Taurus
>Coworker recommended to me.

Here's what you do:
1. Throw any speculation of buying a Taurus straight out the window
2. You don't need that shit, and will be much happier without that shit
3. Stop talking to that dumbass coworker or
4. Don't take his shitty advice on guns.

>>32912136
also, enjoy your glock exploding after shooting lead boolits

Smith and Wesson out of those.
Also look for a FNS9, they can be had for ~425. Sometimes you can find them for 399.

>>32905983
>Here you will see a Ruger and a Taurus
Ruger is a large step up in quality from Taurus, don't listen to anyone who says otherwise. Their centerfire pistols have always been rather unremarkable, but serviceable.

Since you're new to guns consider getting a model with a thumb safety, whatever you decide to get. This will trigger /k/ but striker pistols like Glocks with no thumb safeties are an awful choice for a novice...especially for concealed carry.

>>32912313
>owb
problem solved

>>32906597
Just bought an M&P 2.0.

As a long time user of the M&P series of pistols and being an owner of three Glocks (g19, g43 and g17), I prefer the M&P line for ergos.

You can read about or watch videos on all the new """""improvements""""", but the changes on the 2.0 are really only aesthetic as far as I'm concerned - I wouldn't say there was anything wrong with the original M&P models except the shit trigger. I'd even call the 2.0 trigger a shit trigger, but it's a marginal improvement over the original. Aside from that, it's got steel throughout the length of the frame, has those new dumb little serrations on the slide, stippling on the grip is more similar to that of a Glock, it's got a wider rail and has had some weight trimmed off the slide. The most significant change is the slide lock. It's got no downward retention and must slide up or down over a detent to remain in the up or down position. All this means is that when you take the gun apart, you have to remember to push the slide lock down before you push the slide into place.

>TL;DR: M&P's are fantastic, reliable, accurate pistols - but you have to replace that trigger. The M2.0 doesn't offer anything over the original except a "tweener" backstrap which is sized somewhere between medium and large, so buy the cheapest one you can find.

Also, tombstone tactical (Google it, I'm on my phone) was selling them for 419 as recently as last week when I got mine.

>>32912409
Disregard, they're 493 now :(

>>32905983

the other 3 are fine, really forget the taurus

>>32905983

Do not buy anything from Taurus. Their quality is shit tier.

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>>32905983
Firstly you have to fo handle, and possibly shoot those guns at a rental range. With that being said, I prefer the Shield out of your list. Its almost summer time which means it will be a bit of a pain in the ass sweating all over your bigger handguns as you CC it, especially if you live in a humid place. I almost went with the Shield but ultimately preferred the Glock 43 since it ultimately worked better (for me). Remember you have to make the decision for yourself no matter what a bunch of faggots on a chinese cartoon image board says. Find the gun that works well for you and stick by it.

>>32911800
Except they made a model with a safety for the Austrian adoption trials, and made 19s with safeties for Portuguese police.

>>32907628
>>32907697
>>32911800
>>32916183
The MA compliant P320s with thumb safeties have been out there for awhile now, though they seem somewhat rare. Thumb safeties aside, I imagine having to dry fire to disassemble is another highly undesirable feature in a general issue military sidearm. If they had to pick a striker pistol, I guess the P320 was the best choice of the submitted guns.