PLASTIC MAGAZINES

when will you reenactor autists leave
it looks fine
plastic mags are fine
the gun works

fuck

>>32901047
Not sure what it's called, the thing that connects the buttstock to the gun, it looks like plastic. Why wouldn't they make it out of steel and finish it to match the gun, like the real Stg?

>>32901047
Stop posting this garbage. It's disgusting and old news.

>>32901077
>t. sissy boy conditioned to love plastic after repressing buyer's remorse over his plastic handgun for so long

>>32901183
They are covetous Jews saving every shekel they can.

>>32901195
>covetous Jews
>making an StG 'copy'

It all makes sense now.

>>32901077
You don't even know if it works yet. And those "reenactor autists" are the major market for this thing.

>>32901077
>it looks fine

What's the point of making a replica of an old gun if it looks and operates nothing like the original?

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>>32901047
You know that's an old prototype photo right?

>>32901231
I hope you're right. Really.

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>>32901231

>>32901231
it looks the same as the "early prototype" except they stained the wood and maybe better parkerizing

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>>32901235
You'd believe a guy as autistic as Op, lord of the dicks?

He's freaking out over minor details and says a potmetal clamshell over a 10/22 is better.

If their is such thing as a hate shill, you've found it in op.

>>32901277
>minor details
>literal plastic mags

Which one is it anon?

>>32901277
>potmetal clamshell over a 10/22

???

>>32901277
Hey look it's "everyone here says the ATI mp40/gsg stg is good so why don't they like this?" guy. Pro tip, those guns fucking suck too.

>>32901257
Even this is still just an improved prototype for shotshow, and no, they improved more important things. You know, things like fuction and internals not being pretty.

>>32901295
just wait, next he'll be doing that thing where he implies it's either $1800 plastic mags or $5k doesn't work PTR44 with no in between

>>32901306
>he believes what shills a shotshow say
Tell me lies tell me sweet little lies,Todd

>>32901307
Don't forget "people looking for a semi auto rifle will pay 1800 for this but not a couple hundred more for an authentic one" or "ribbing weakens stampings!!1!"

>>32901315
You see that barrel?
You can climb it.

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>>32901338
The best part is all of this just works

>>32901077
What's the point of making a replica if aside from the silhouette the replica looks nothing like the thing you're replicating?

>>32901358
I'll just help out the HMG IDF for a sec,
>Hurrr it's not a replica it was never meant for reenactment this is supposed to be a legitimate competitor in the AR/AK market

DON'T BUY THIS
BUY A SMG FG42 INSTEAD
THEY DESERVE THE MONEY MORE THAN SHILL AND CRACK

Or buy HMG's CETMEs for that other delicious Gerat 05 action.

>>32901395
I will give them the CETME's
those were pretty fucking cool

anyone else surprised Ian and Karl gave HMG the time of day for this project?
this sort of half-assed replica seems like something Ian and Karl would hate

>>32901395
>5000 dollars

I'll just nope right out of here.

>>32901985
Karl has such a boner for the STG but he spent all his wehraboo money on a G43 and the SMG FG42 that he has to settle for a half done replica of an STG 44 and some weird MAC10 abomination than an MP40.

>>32901047
>BAWWWW why isn't it a perfect copy?!

Jesus Christ you guys need to shut up, they can't make it EXACTLY 100% a true copy of the StG 44.

>>32902325
When he sells his Vickers he could buy a transferable StG since he's getting like $20,000 from the sale.

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>>32901047
If you're you don't like it, it wasn't made for you. Now be a man, grow up and deal with it.
>>32901077
/thread/

>>32902859
>what is the ptr 44

>>32901230
its 3000$ cheaper than a 1:1 repro

>>32904108
>cost 3x as much
>complete pieces of shit functionally

>>32904243
Not even him but is your back ok bro?

>>32902869
That might be the plan, would allow them to test a real stg against the HMG one.

>>32904108
The PTR44 wasn't even made correctly. Guys spent 3k on the pricetag and another 2k having it rebuilt.

>>32904258
what the fuck are you on about?

Most of the problems with the PTR44 were due to the crappy 922r compliance parts they used. The real European ones are not bad.

>>32904392
no, the chambers were miscut

>>32904492
That's true. I forgot about that. I wonder if that was a problem for the ones on the European market or was that just for the small batch that got stateside.

>>32901077
This

>>32901047
Jesus fucking christ.
Every day.
Every fucking day.

I hate you.

>>32904908
good one. bound to get plenty of takers for that tasty b8.

>>32901077
I thought reenactor autist were major market for those. People who buy 20+ ARs prolly won't buy that.

I ordered one in 8mm kurz. Backed out in late December after another deadline missed. I would have loved one if they could make them by the dates they said they would. I don't think their website lists a date anymore

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>>32901230
It's good enough. The changes were made because the actual StG is a horrible design for the civilian market
>meh fit and finish
>breaks after 5,000 rds
>shoots an uncommon and relatively expensive round for the capabilities it provides to the shooter

They could have put in more effort to make the stampings look more accurate, but the MP44 design in general is fucking vaporware.

>>32901292
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2013/4/17/gsg-schmeisser-stg-44-22-long-rifle-semi-auto/

>Ubisoft e3 trailer and release comparison.png

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>>32905090
The bullets are there though. I'm waiting for the rifles to ship to sell mine since I cancelled

>>32905217
how many rounds do you have and how much you want?

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>>32901077
>dude lets make a replica
>haha and make it look nothing alike
the fucking GSG .22lr StG-44 looks more 1:1 than this shit you faggot

>>32905555
>a .22 made of shitty stamping that would never be able to scale up and doesn't operate internally anywhere close to the original
fuck off no guns

>>32905291
300 rounds. 85cents per round shipped. Trade for bakelite/surplus ak stuff/k stuff. I'm on the files if you are on there

>>32905973
>85cents per round shipped

good luck finding a sucker. I can find it for 75cpr online, shipped.

>>32905666
learn to read

> make a replica of famous rifle
> biggest demand is from reenactors, history buffs, and collectors
> rifle is complex so the price tag must, by necessity, be around $1700
> decide to fuck up production process by releasing it in 4 different calibers, all but one of which is anachronistic, assuming that people willing to pay out the ass for a snowflake rifle want cheap ammo
> don't even bother to make metal magazines for reenactors/collectors, just make plastic mags that look like dogshit
> fundamentally alter the internals in order to save money (acceptable)
> fundamentally alter the rifle's aesthetics, ruining its most popular feature and turning away the people most likely to purchase it

Tbh I've never seen a boutique firearms manufacturer with a shittier business plan. At least the people at DesertTech had the decency to steal from their customers.

>>32906087
Cheapest I saw on auction was over .80 without ship bit I'll keep looking.

>>32902859

> they can't make it EXACTLY 100% a true copy of the StG 44

> guys, I made a replica that doesn't look anything like the original or function like the original, but it sure does "feel like the original"
> most of these fundamental changes are designed to save money, but I won't pass on any savings to the customer
> btw, for the price I'm offering it at, you could buy a modern tacticool gun or a competently-made reproduction of another famous gun

>>32906109
learn to read what i posted you faggot. of course its easy to make a .22 look closer, theres less going on internally. but you wouldn't understand that, would you? fucking no guns

>>32904108
The ptr44 wasn't an exact copy either but it was closer and was Whittier for it.

>>32906201
savage

Why are reenactors so autistic about this thing?

I get that it isn't a perfect copy and all, but the STG 44 wasn't even that widely issued.

But of course all the fat neckbeards doing this only want to portray SS units decked out in pea dot camo and STGs, because fuck all those other actual Wehrmacht soldiers stuck with K98s, right?

>>32907924
(you)

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>>32907924
I used to do reenacting, and the reason for what you're seeing is that most events have to revolve around GI reenactors, and the US entered late in the war, so naturally you have to have late-war stuff(STG, Dot). As for the lack of Heer Soldaten, that's somewhat to do with what you mention(the gear is much cooler desu, and that's a big factor in reenacting), but the WSS were also in lots of "big battles" so your unit can fit into more events. It's pretty gay, but not nearly as gay as 99% of the patriotard GI reenactors who got their history lessons from Scooby Doo and the backs of sugar packets.
t. former WSS reenactor who can actually speak German and pass PT at the same time

>>32908075
can confirm, lot's of really bad GI reenactors out there, the ones that are there to shoot blanks more than they're there to educate the public

the more unusual the unit, the better the impression
the few Finn reenactors I've seen have all been right on point for example

>>32902869
He has said he'd like a Chauchat

>>32905666
they have a version chambered in 9mm.

>>32908703
Link?

>>32901047
There are 40 round versions of aluminum usgi mags for like $10 that will more closely look the part.

This is not a 100% straight out of The ruins of Berlin stg 44. It's what an stg 44 would look like if the design iterated into the 60s or 70s and it's $1800.

Your autism can be soothed for $5k from another company. Good luck getting meaningful quantities of 8mm kurz.

>>32901047
When will you fucking retards realize they incorporated design elements from simplified models such as the Mkb 42? They explicitly state this. It's not a replica, you idiots.

>>32902859
uh yeah they can, its like 70 years later, tech in every conceivable manufacturing process is better, and they can just get blueprints online of the original you tard

>>32905666
>thinking that was my point at all
Fuck off, retard

>>32909221
ATF doesn't take kindly to being able to swap out a couple parts to make a machine gun.

>>32901238
He looks so sad

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>>32909221
blueprints don't include things like tolerances, grade and heat treatment of metals, or spring tension.

clearly you've never mass produced before.

jackass.

>>32909221
>An assembly drawing is totally something that a die maker can work off of!

>>32910771
Who's the guy in the booking photo? Looks like a crazy gook, what did he do?

>>32910771
The technical shall drawings include tolerances, materials and their spec shall be included in the BoM

>>32901183
>I know nothing about guns but I came here to talk shit because I can

>HAHAHAHHA ITS NOT 1 TO 1 REPLICA
While the creators say its reproduction.
You kids should get the dictionary and read a thing or two.

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>>32910808
i dunno. dude got arrested at a casino in tampa. was probably fucked up and was asked to leave, and then wouldn't. people do that all the time.

https://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Hung_Le_30297425/?d=1

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>>32910878
http://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Hung_Le_30297425/?d=1
https doesn't work

>>32902018
>5000 dorra
What the fuck do you expect, it's a low volume production run of an unusually engineered gun that only wehraboos and history buffs will be interested in. It's not like slapping a body kit on an AR-15 and calling it a day.

>>32902859
>Jesus Christ you guys need to shut up, they can't make it EXACTLY 100% a true copy of the StG 44
>What is the BD-44
How about you shut it. They had the specs for it in 7.92x33, and they had the blueprints. I can understand the difficulty on engineering it for 5.56x45 or 7.62x39, but for fuck sakes, 7.92x33?

>>32910997
The BD-44 retains the original craptastic magazine. How many euros does it go for out there in Europe, anyway?

>>32911069
I do not know, I went to their site but I cannot find the msrp value
>www.ssd-weapon.com/bd-44.html

>>32901277
>Mag release on the wrong side

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>>32901047
It doesn't look that bad desu

>>32908829
the MP40 has a 9mm version coming out
but it's still an awful screw together zamak abortion

>>32910771
ever heard of CAD? CAD ( or Computer Aided Design), is this funny new thing where you get to test designs, materials and their strengths on a tv screen that plugs into a box with a typewriter and a slidy clicky thing. I know this may be hard for you to understand since you were a child during the industrial revolution, but things have advanced quite a bit in the last 30 years. Oh and get this, you dont even have to use up precious resources until the end of the process!

>>32912708
>>32910997
watch the video MAC did with HMG. these guys have more experience with building firearms then you will in your entire life but somehow they "forgot" to just do CAD? No, because its not that fucking simple and you're speaking out of your ass thinking your 2 year trade school degree means your an expert on reconstructing 1940's era firearms

>>32912757
^This

Also, completely reasonable compromises where made (hk trigger pack,stanag mag well, modern calibers) to create an stg you can actually afford to buy and shoot.

>>32912757
You are arguing with special people here.
There is 5 video series on Forgotten weapons and InRange about how and why on EVERYTHING and their decisions and choice of calibers.
They were posted in the previous thread but people are too dense and just want to talk shit.

>>32914324
but then what's the market
who actually wants to buy a rifle that is like a historical one kinda in a non-original caliber, without the original look, and with random "improvements" made haphazardly where it would also, coincidentally, save them money, but the rifle still costs more than a proper modern rifle

I just don't get it
it looks kinda like an StG until you look closely, and it's improved over an StG but still inferior to modern guns

what's the appeal?
someone explain it to this "autist reenactor"

>>32914344
>people are too dense and just want to talk shit
or, like me, they understand why they made the changes but find the reasons given to be as unconvincing as the end result

>>32914478
Sure thing bud you are a real gunsmith knowing every in and out of modern and 1940 metallurgy quirks and modern day requirements.

>>32914356
It's like your autism prevents you from seeing who would buy this gun.

>>32914356
I get that for some people the design changes are a bridge too far and they couldn't be comfortable owning or looking at one with the mag release and selectors in the wrong place compared to the original they have studied and become fascinated with.

For someone who knows the stg44 from history but isn't as obsessed with the finer details, it is the spirit of an stg 44 and close enough in look and feel to have a comparatively affordable and decently practical rifle that can be taken to the range without overbearing care/fear of damage.

Additionally, the design changes seem to make a sturdier weapon. The original stg was rushed into production and weren't made as well as the could maybe have been. This HMG stg comes across as what the stg may have become with more time to sort out the design. An stg52 if you will.

I think most of the anger is coming from the fine detail people that were hoping to get a 1:1 7.92x33mm Kurz rifle for $1800, but are still left with more expensive options that are more true to detail but badly built or unaffordable.

>>32914568
to borrow some /v/ terms, it's for casualfags?
I knew it

>>32901077
>when will you reenactor autists leave

"Reenactor autists" are probably 80% of the potential market for this thing.

This gun isn't exactly being built for the arfcom crowd.

>>32914604
>"Reenactor autists" are probably 80% of the potential market for this thing.
heh nope. Right now it's people looking for Snowflakes and guys who want something resembling a STG without having to take out a bank loan to buy one.

>>32914568
>fine detail people that were hoping to get a 1:1 7.92x33mm Kurz rifle for $1800

This. All they can do is bitch and moan while demand for it is greater than even HMG estimated.

>>32914586
lel basically. For me it's just fine. It still has the same bolt design etc and demonstrates the first iteration of the assault rifle in war, but I can get one in 5.56 and pop in some aluminum 40 round stanags and enjoy shooting it without panicking a little that my 7.92 supply is dwindling.

>>32906339
It's the Battlefield 1 of guns

>>32905090
If the STG has a horrible design then why bother replicating/bastardising it?

>>32915661
because it was an important part of history, it can be done, and because it was still cool regardless.

>>32915804
if it's an important part of history, why change it so much?

>>32915868
because they'd be selling a near broken product if that was the case