Why is Italy not a european power?

>>32885898
Italy sucks dick at war
>Fascist Italy couldn't even take over Ethiopia

>>32885898
They're too busy making pizza pies!

>>32885898
Corruption

France and the UK have larger military forces. Germany has more money.

That's about it. It's not complicated.

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>>32885966

Most other countries in western Europe don't have particularly bad problems with corruption. Why is it worse in Italy?

Because Italy had to beg Germany for help after being thrown back by 20 greek mountain bandits, armed with six souvlaki skewers and an empty ouzo bottle.

>>32885898
Because it's a substantially more shitty country than the other 3, so people assume their military is substantially more shitty as well. Reality doesn't conform to their expectations.

>>32886008
>France and the UK have larger military forces.
Incorrect. Italy has a larger military than both France and the UK.

>>32885898
Southern Italy is dirt poor and has problems with the mafia, without the north bringing in money Italy would be on the same level as northern africa

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Q: What's the missing link between man and ape?
A: Italy.

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>>32886219

How did it get that bad? So much history there...

Because despite Italians being bros they don't give a shit. And contrary to many people believe Italy has some fine manufacturing, so they could do better if they want.

>Tfw you'll never ride a Ducati into battle.

>>32885898
All the country that don't make there own military shits and buy foreign military shit is corrupted
Exemple italy buying f35
Haha

When was the last time Italy won a war?

>>32886020
Italy has huge organized crime issue, they're closer to a South American country than a European one.

Weak blood, eroded masculinity, rampant corruption, and extremely localized patriotic sentiment as opposed to nationalism.

Far and away are the days of the condottiere

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>>32885898

>>32886313

Italy was cobbled together from separate states like Germany was, but unlike Germany, it didn't work well. Before unification, Southern Italy was controlled from Sicily.

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>>32887401
Kek

>>32885898
>Why is Italy not a major European power in the same that the UK, France, and Germany are?

because greasy dago wops are greasy dago wops.

>>32886020
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holy mother of resolution

>>32886313
A serious ass pounding by the Goths and Vandals, leaving power to shift to the remaining half of the empire. They never had the traction to recover.

>>32886845
The Abyssinian campaign, where they bombed a bunch of African farmers using pre-WWI tech with air raids despite a full surrender. Proto-Trump convinced them they had an amazing military until the English showed up in short-shorts and stomped them.

>>32887367
>and extremely localized patriotic sentiment as opposed to nationalism.

It makes more sense to die for your town/village than it does to die for your country. Nationalism is the most absurd meme.

>>32886313
Arguably you could say corruption is something they've inherited from roman times, where familial ties and under-the-table payments/agreements often more or less decided who got which lucrative position or construction deal.
It doesn't lend itself very well to modern society. Something as simple as deciding on building a new metro-line between two cities will drown in the bureaucracy and still be half-finished or not even started a decade later.

>>32887883
forget nationalism how bout some loyalty to empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_subject

>>32888597
do not forget these cool dudes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Medici
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT8m4QY_J9s

>>32886020
Those fucker invented the Mafia in Ancient Rome.

>>32886020
A history of being ruled by outsiders made it fertile grounds for local, informal policing groups and parallel power structures.

Add to that the fact that Italy as a country was based on a region, not a single unified culture, Italy hasn't had enough time for all the regional cultures to be absorbed into a national culture, you still have regional languages, which instantly mark any outsiders.

>>32887367
>eroded masculinity
Lol, fucking italians eat more pussy in Europe than anyone else.

>>32886313
Whenever someone says "Italy" people tend to think of the Roman Empire. A superficial glance at the subject might even lead one to think of the Roman state much like any modern empire; the US for example. But that is not the case at all. Italy has never been unified under a national identity like the US. The Romans were just a people from the Italian Peninsula, and not all Italians were Roman. They fought wars over this stuff.

Just a glance at more recent history will show that the story of Italy is a story of independent political entities. Look at the Papacy, Venice, etc.

Italy is so seemingly corrupt and incompitent as a country because it really isn't one. It has never functioned that way, and expecting that to happen now is silly. It's much the same reason that the United States of Europe hasn't worked out. It's why Yugoslavia broke up.

I don't know anything about Germany except to say that they seem to be an exception to the general rule.

>caring about war/military when you have the best women, cars, history and some of the best food in the world
Kek, not everyone is an average retard that is all life turns around muh guns and muh mighty power while being bumfucked by third world kebabs with a ak. They know better, let useless anglos die in their useless wars.

>>32889055
>muh guns and muh mighty power while being bumfucked by third world kebabs with a ak.
I sure do prefer being unemployed and getting robbed and stabbed by somalis.

>>32885898
Because you are italians. Same as with Spain => because they are spanish. Comes with the nationality.

>>32886076
Have you ever seen a greek lose their temper? >>32886845
ww2
>>32887883
>Nationalism is the most absurd meme.
not for small countries up to 6-8 million.
>>32889255
most spanish are castillian, basque, catalan, aragonese, from navarre etc spain like italy is not a stable nation that will disintergrate at some point in the near future as will the UK. France and Germany are also made up of many components but are much more stable.

>>32885898
Catholicism.
The other three nations are populated by protestants (England and Germany) or secularists (Frogistan) and Muslims. Italy is crippled by Romanism. Just like Latin America.

>>32885898
The answer is Southern Italians.

>>32885898
Industrialization is related to cultural and physical proximity to Great Britain. France and Germany had it, Italy doesn't. Sure, through sheer diffusion they have some of the trappings of an industrialized economy, but even ex-Soviet countries are better off than Italy. Italy was always bad at war in the 19th and 20th century and in modern times there's no real need for them to reform and become a military power either. They have neither force of habit like Germany, or military aspirations like Britain and France.

>>32889414
France is Catholic to a high degree, your argument is silly.

>>32889546
>he doesn't know what secular means
laughinggirls.jpg

>>32888868
same thing was true about Germany though. minus the whole Roman empire thing to try to unite Italy

>>32885898
Wasn't Italy utterly dependant on Germany for oil thus why their army lacked sufficient armour ans their ships were stuck in port.

>>32885898
>Why is Italy not a major European power in the same that the UK, France, and Germany are?

But it is.

>Why is their military so poorly regarded on /k/?

What do you mean by poorly? More correctly not regarded at all.

Italy's military is pretty capable. All you need to do is look over their capabilities. Don't sadly have time to do a write up, but just have a look.

>>32889313
Spain disintegrate. Sure. You have no idea what you are talking about.
The only strong nationalism movement is catalan with 48% support, the rest are just a residue. And I am a spanishfag from one of those "nationalist" areas so I know this very well.

But the truth is that southern eurpean countires cant manage themselves nowadays. Too much ideological dispersion. When one party wins, it wipes out the whole progress of the previous party who was in power, thus impeding the progression of the whole nation. We miss a national agreement on certain key points (e.g. Education) to be respected by all parties.

>>32889553
Not really, no. Germany was ruled by local rulers, and united under a German king. There was a much greater sense of a German people than there was an Italian people; you can see that in the period of public debate around the "German Question" of the mid-19th Century, whether the German people (at the time meaning all German speaking people, from Austria, Germany, and beyond to the east) would be unified under a single country, or the "lesser Germany" we have today which unified under the Prussian king. That public debate showed there was a much stronger sense of German unity than Italian unity, when the architects of Italian unification were debating whether or not to even bother with southern Italy, and not just unite the north.

>>32885898
Do you know how incompetent Italy is?

>>32885937 see?

>>32889558
Actually they kept their ships in port because they knew if they fought they would be destroyed.

>>32889627
No because if they were damaged we wouldn't have the resource to supply them
The littorio class battleship was better than anything the English fielded during the war
Italy didn't really have much resource to build a strong army that why we went for tankette
Modern Italian army is not bad and it's better than the German army but it's really underfounded
That's why the 'low cost' unit like special forces than don't require much money are really strong compared to the normal army

>>32885898
Currently stationed in italy here

this place is a fucking joke. they cant even run a business right. if anything is outside of the status quo it becomes impossible to do.

also pizza and coiffe trump anything pressing matter.

>>32886313
Keep in mind you're talking to ignorant americans who think Italy is just a hotter version of Jersey.
If i were you i'd take everything they say with a grain of salt,from the "muh ethiopia" memes to their misconceptions about regional wealth distribution,

t.italian

>>32890177
Why are you fuckers always so ignorant, like no matter what you do or say, you need to make sure everybody knows about your superficial jarhead "opinions" based on what you see in your country.
No wonder the whole world thinkis you are fucking stupid and annoying,
Like fucking Christ

ITT: triggered Italians

Italys WW2 accomplishments

Italy vs Ethiopia - Ethiopia wins
Italy vs Greece - greece wins
Italy vs Vichy France - Italy wins
Italy vs Allies - Italy switches sides

Their performance in the last war was embarrassing to say the least.

>>32890240
So your saying it's not just a hotter, older version of jersey?

>>32889546
Germany is about 50/50 Christian wise.
God only know how many moslems there are.

>>32889570
I don't think Spain would disintegrate either, but it is true that you have no national unity to speak of. Since Spain fucked up during the napoleonic wars the country has just been in a continous state of division and unrest. Civil war after civil war. Spain is yugoslav tier, and it would break apart if regional sentiment was stronger.

lived in italy
its cause italians are some of the stupidest people I've ever had to deal with
lazy and stupid are my first two thoughts when it come to italians

>>32890469
Norway is 70-80% christian because no one actually bothers to sign out of the church, very few people are actually religious.

>>32885898
Because they're as useless in combat as Arabs.

>>32890433
Only see a circlejerk

>>32885898
>completely lazy
>absolutely retarded
>the only good soldier in Italy is Instructer Zero
>and he's not even as good as a U.S infantry man.
>maybe ad good as a Vietnam Era soldier

>ROMANVS
>implying the romans were even good
>everone else was just worse

>>32889848
>The littorio class battleship was better than anything the English fielded during the war

dead meat to a KGV or Rodney/Nelson but only faced QEs and some of those hadnt had their latest refits

>>32889003
Easy to do when the whole country is made of pussies

>Why no glorious New Roman Empire?

How fucking retarded are you? Go read the last couple hundred years of Guido history and your question will be answered.

There is nothing admirable about Italy. It's fucking done, and wallows in it Eurabian degeneracy. The last worthy Italian was Oriana Fallacci and she's very dead.

>>32890815
This. Corrupt too. Want to send something in the mail? Good luck. If the post is even open chances are if it's anything of value it's getting ripped off. Whatever made the place work in the Roman era is long since gone. Like most of the non Anglo world it's full of intellectual children who are so lazy and corrupt that they simply can't get out of their own way.

>>32890815
I think the same, and I'm italian.

>>32885898
I heard their navy is pretty good

Bumping for interest

>>32886115

Wasn't Italy basically bribing talibans in Afghanistan so they wouldn't ever have to fight?

When the French army was tasked to take over, they assumed the area to be safe and as a result a bunch of kids fresh out of basics got ambushed and some of them their head cut off.

Italy is overall pretty shitty and the corruption is insane there. Just see the whole refugee human trafficing scandals. They recently sacked a pro immigration politician because turns out he have taking money from the mafia who were housing refugees using EU subsidies.

You get 35€ day per head for maintaining these refugee camps. They just fake refugee ID cards so they can charge the EU more.

>>32889583
>when the architects of Italian unification were debating whether or not to even bother with southern Italy, and not just unite the north.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbbMIg-Aw8E

>>32900467
>Wasn't Italy basically bribing talibans in Afghanistan so they wouldn't ever have to fight?

They were, but so was everyone else one way or another. The specific instance you referred to was terrible, and a crime, but bribes and negotiations had gone on since before the invasion.

US and British forces also paid Taliban leaders to either go back to Pakistan or for intelligence against other groups.

>>32888868

Meh just take a look at France and you'll see they had ti far worst. Hell at the time of the French revolution not even half the people spoke French and they had large minorities speaking Celt or Germanic languages not even related to French.

Only after WW1 was that French really spread throughout the whole territory. Also the Third Republic had tough assimilation programs.

>>32885898
The mentality of the italian people.

>>32890177
Have to agree, worked with the Italian Air Force for over 4 years and the first thought when hearing Italian Military is laziness and incompetence. Also corruption is horrible, Italy is basically a safe house for terrorist organizations.

>>32890788
>let me tell you about your country that I have never been to.

>>32885898
Italy is a recent country without much military tradition nor opportunities to form one, since it's geographically fairly isolated in the modern context.

>>32886313
Liberalism and the industrial revolution switched things around in the peninsula.
The originally dirt poor North liberalized and industrialized under French influence, while the South which was originally rich due to its large scale agriculture and big land owners sank into irrelevance.
The exact same thing happened at the same time in the US. The difference being the population in the US bled into uncharted areas of the country in the West resulting in a net gain, while the population in Italy just left the country.

>>32900499
That's something of an historical myth. French was present everywhere as a lingua france well before the Revolution. Whether the peasantry could speak it or not has little bearing on the state of affairs at the time. The same could be said of High German in the German Empire, Castilian in Spain or Tuscan in Italy. The dialectal cline in France isn't any different than what you'd see in those countries. And it was spoken at a functional level by everyone a bit before WW1, in particular in the male adult population who had to go through years of conscription since Napoleon.

>>32900883
>Italy is a recent country without much military tradition nor opportunities to form one, since it's geographically fairly isolated in the modern context.
There as old as Germany and had fought in both world wars

>>32900952
>There as old as Germany and had fought in both world wars
Germany had a century of Prussian military reforms and warfare in the background, and it unified through a foreign war (though the Austro-Prussian war preceded it).
The breadth of war theaters experienced by Germany and Italy during the 19th and 20th c. can't compare.
The only significant one on the Italian side is the Austrian front during WW1.

>>32900805
Sounds almost like Mexico

>>32886821
Italy makes most of its militay equipment domestically: AFVs, ships and most small arms used be the italian military are designed and made in country.

>>32885898
>Why is their military so poorly regarded on /k/?
stereotypes and memes, according to people who served and a few reports i read from foreign soldiers, the italian military is OK, not exepctional but it works.
>Why no glorious New Roman Empire?
Because most people here are bleeding heart pacifist, don't give a shit about the nation (Thank-fucking-you WWII).

>>32889003
Eating pussy does not make you masculine.

>>32887861
>implying the germanic people didn't make italy great again
get out of here Quintus

Italy has gotten so good at ripping people off they started doing it to themselves.

>>32885898
3 hour lunches and lacsidasical organization

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>>32900467

>>32889201
>I sure prefer being unemployed and stabbed by Somalis

You live in Phoenix?

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>>32901533

Absolutely correct.

>>32885898
Italy wasn't a country until very late, it has few significant natural resources and Catholicism actively encourages poverty + ignorance (remember the Papal States owned a fuckton of Italy). Certain parts of Italy, particularly in the north, were pretty effective but you can't carry a country on the back of a few cities.

>>32886821
>All the country that don't make there own military shits and buy foreign military shit is corrupted
The M9 is an Italian design anon.

>>32885898

Ok. Ya'll triggered me, so it's time for some history lessons about Italy and Italian peculiarities.

First, a small note: American jarheads can go fuck themselves, we know the data about rape percentages and drug trafficking you do. I know yer bored out of your skull to be here and that you are somewhat immune from Italian laws, but we're "Somalis in Sweden level". Yes, random american, you pay soldiers to rape and sell drugs on foreign soil. And prostitution. So much prostitution fuelled by American soldiers.

Let's start: Italy isn't a proper country. the concept of national unification never worked well bar in the minds of the northern higher classes (the House of Savoy had to be forced by their own political support and by the British to make aggressive moves) and the Italian Unification wars are an endless parade of traumatizing defeats. Italy is a nation thanks to the victories of the French and of the Prussians. Furthermore, Southern Italy was a underdeveloped shithole thanks to centuries of mismanagement: the new Italian state doubled up by brutally repression and a precise economical project to make it a "agricultural-focused" area. Interestingly enough, it's now, in the late 19th century, than the Maffia appears. Defenders of the oppressed, lol. What this means from a military standpoint? That the Italian army was forged from the pieces of a dozen microstates and with a glorious tradition of failure. The officers hated their own men, hated the civilian society and the ranks could barely understand each other as there wasn't a common "Italian". The frankly hilarious colonial defeats are born from this: an army that could not understand itself and shitty equipment (Italy was poor as fuck) .

>>32902063

WW1 was that on steroids. Born of a muddy diplomatic deal with France and Britain, it was a deeply unpopular war. The traditional problems of shitty equipment, lack of common language and the shittiest officer class you can think of made the Italian front the mockery it's known as. It was also an incredibly lethal enviroment, imagine fighting in sub-zero temperatures with crap uniforms and your officers are more bent on killing you than the enemy. Caporetto, the great defeat, was a textbook example of the failures of the Italian leadership. Italy won because the Austria-Hungary collapsed by itself.

Fascism. Ohhh, Fascism. I could write a 50 pages paper on fascist and warfare. Italy won the campaign against the British in Somaliland. Italy lost on all other fronts. The problem was, at the basic level, that Italy was a piss poor country with shitty industrial capacity, a good infantry tradition, and hilariously terrible commanders and leadership. Again, we can talk endlessly how Mussolini in reality had little control on his own country, how the industrial output was worse than WW1 levels, how propaganda was an abject failure, how the officer class was STILL a bunch of spiteful dumbfucks (at lower levels, Italian soldiers fought, often quite well. Matters little when the overall situation is a shitstorm, though). The Navy was.... terrified. Think that no one wanted to engage the British because they were scared as fuck to get sacked if they lost a ship: so they never dared to act aggressively, even when they HAD THE FUCKING ADVANTAGE. The Air arm was a mess of glory hounds, shit training and good designs without the industrial capacity to build them.

>>32902071

Yadda Yadda 1943 Italy knifes Hitler yadda RSI yadda resistance. Post war. Italy gets the most powerful Commie party of the West, and the Americans react by forcing the entire Italian political system to a simple fact: Christian Democrats must rule, the commies can exist but they can be only the opposition. Despite economical growth postwar treaties and the fact that Italy was pretty much useless against the SU (on the contrary, Italy had some very good economical deals with the Soviets) the army gets subpar resources and training. The Army slowly becomes a way for the southern italians to escape economical depression, and we're still there: the Italian army has become utterly useless by itself, and barely useful in a NATO framework (don't tell it to the grunts, some still believe they are useful, lol). It's mostly a way to get a comfy job as a pseudo public servant, and of course as a way for politicians to embezzle untold amounts of founds. A note: contrary to the commonly held opinion "corruption" in Italy is quite hidden: you don't get the policeman asking you for a bribe, but the entire State and all the parties are deep in a web of corruption anf favours exchanges that weights down the economy and makes the life of the common citizen crappy.

If we were to talk about theoretical military growth in Italy, well, shit. We have no money thanks to decades of political and economical disasters. Italy stopped growing in the '80ies. In dreamland Italy could leverage its great infantry tradition, its good weapon industries and its excellent geographical position, but it's all up to the Americans as there simply isn't enough money around. Plus the armed forces never had to DO anything bar being US auxiliary occupation troops, so who knows if they are better than their WW1\WW2 era ancestors. I still remember a frigate captain that I got to know, when I asked him what he did for his whole life, he calmly replied: "Well, not much."

What the fuck, I say.

>>32902063
>America fuels international prostitution
I dont have a problem with this.

>>32887460
>but unlike Germany, it didn't work well
I'm not sure losing two World Wars + a fuckton of your ancestral lands AND getting half of Europe occupied by fucking Communists is 'working well'.

>>32889558
>Wasn't Italy utterly dependant on Germany for oil
Yes
>thus why their army lacked sufficient armour
That was more to do with shitty industry.
>ans their ships were stuck in port
This was partly fuel and partly prioritisation, until ~1942 the RM actually gave the RN a run for its money in the Med. Mussolini and his retarded friends denying it air support was also a contributing factor but frankly they were inevitably going to lose.

>>32890442
>Italy vs Ethiopia - Ethiopia wins
Italy won anon. They didn't win particularly effectively and it was really making up for the cock up the first time they tried but they did win. Also 1935-1936 is pre-WW2 unless you're counting the Spanish and Chinese Civil Wars.
>Italy vs Vichy France - Italy wins
I don't think you know what Vichy France is.

>>32885898
If you were living there, would you go to war?

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>>32886076
>>32889313
Greek here, we are a peaceful people but we can stand our man when it is needed

after the fall of the Roman Empire italy was divided by every other kingdom or empire, always unable to form a strong independent nation, as it was against the interests of the other European powers

by the time it was finally united and independent it had lagged behind and had no natural resources to compete against it's industrialized neighbors, and couldn't become economically and culturally relevant, and it's political unity remained tenuous

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Say what you will but Italians can be pretty passionate about fighting

>>32885960
How funny and cute!!

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>>32902960
Una faccia una razza
I'm sorry

>>32886115
>Italy has a larger military than both France and the UK.

Yeah because 25% of french and british military budget is used for nuclear deterrence

>>32889036
>I don't know anything about Germany except to say that they seem to be an exception to the general rule.

I would say that the HRE is the reason it worked out for them. It gave them a degree of common customs.

Italy was just poor as shit in WW2. They did some really gutsy stuff tough, like building a secret base for frogmen in a half sunken ship and attaching bombs to ships stopping near Gibraltar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_auxiliary_ship_Olterra

>>32905236

Italy has always had good soldiers but they just can't get good leadership, ever

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_of_the_Savoia_Cavalleria_at_Izbushensky

for ever Scipio there's a Varro, for every Caesar there's a Crassus.

>>32902063
>>32902071
>>32902082
I read this and liked it

The Italian campaign was also a clusterfuck as well. The allied armies in Italy almost seemed like a dumping ground for all the niggers in the various nations. France had Morrocans and other muds from their colonies, Britain sent pajeets and America had a whole division of niggers (92nd Div). There was even a fucking Brazilian expeditionary force who didn't even have any weapons when they arrived in Italy. A lot of the fascist propaganda of the period depicted the Allies sending all their muds to rape Italian women, which then unsurprisingly happened. The Italians called the women who got raped "Marocchinate".

>>32905459
>The Italians called the women who got raped "Marocchinate".

so they invented "BLACKED"?

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>>32887401
US is not doing bad too

>>32885898
The only thing that let the Romans dominate Europe and the Mediterranean during the classical era was adopting a professional army rather than a warrior-caste system.

This meant standardarized arms, equipment, training, better logistics, etc.


After everyone else adopted the same system, the Romans didn't really have any particular advantage over everyone else.

Also, growth of special interests crippled their economy and the effectiveness of their military.


Also, don't forget that Italy as a nation did not exist prior to the late 19th century, and was a clusterfuck of bickering city states and little kingdoms for most of its non-Roman history.

>>32885898
Because they switch sides in the middle of the war

>>32887883
>>It makes more sense to die for your town/village than it does to die for your country.

Only if you live in a tiny as fuck country with a small population.

>>32885898

Centuries of the Roman war life/culture left Italy with a distaste for war and a lust for life's pleasures.

They did a full 180 from the days of the Spartans.

>>32885898
>it's 9 CE
>get blown out by auxiliaries at Teutoburg

>it's 1940
>get blown out by biplanes at Taranto

When you have a long history of being gimps you get treated like gimps.

>>32889583
Fun fact: Deutschland über alles (Germany above all) didn't mean that Germany is better than every other country, but the idea of a unified German Empire is better than the Kleinstaaterei with many littly duchies and kingdoms like Saxony, Baden, Hesse, Bavaria etc.

>>32907074

They certainly had more advantages as well; proving very adaptive to foreign gear when it proved superior, the strategic use of auxiliaries to plug holes in tactical capability, and developing advanced roads other systems of logistics to support the frontier.

>>32902214
That was after successful unification, however. Before Bismarck and Prussian control, Germany was a fuckton of confederate states that didn't like each other. It took a lot of effort to cement them together into one Empire.

>>32901719
>Guy probably old enough to be a grandfather
>Defense minister of a European nation
>Facial hair of a 20-somethin memekid

Italy in a nutshell.

>>32903301
>Say what you will but Italians can be pretty passionate about fighting Italians

Fixed that for you.

cuz they are full of fucking italians, goes to show how even a small amount of browning ruins a country over time
Meanwhile compare that to the amount of shitskins we are importing to our countries

There will be no europe by 2100

>>32910723

Hey, don't attack Ignazio "The Rat" LaRussa. He's a shining example of neofascist!

>>32910732

Amuse me and define how Italians aren't white. I keep a record of Anglos trying to make the point, so an extra would help.

I don't have anything that I can contribute to the subject with, but I just wanted to thank /k/ for teaching me Italian history.

>>32887401
>555:1 Numerical advantage

holy shit

And they say that /k/ isn't a hivemind lol

>italian kills mudslime
>suddenly everywhere on 4chan italy bait threads plop up
hmmm