PS 90 questions

>>32882961
>Anyway, are there any issues related to the PS90 I should be aware of?
You'll be seen as a tryhard faglord. Besides that, not really. I've held one once and the amount of plastic on that gun just make it feel kind of cheap to me, but that's only personal preference.

>>32882988
I held it when I was like 16 and it was WAY heavier than I expected.
I actually thought it was pretty solid for being plastic

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>>32882988
The PS90 uses some extremely resilient plastic.

>>32883043
They're way heavier than they should be. It's all because it's a direct blowback action so the bolt is xbawkshueg. Also, the receiver uses a ton of steel for no good reason other than making production cheaper. I'm positive it's a super cheap gun for FN to produce.

>>32883111
>They're way heavier than they should be

Yeah but materials don't just magically get lighter
Unless you can redsign it with similar cost materials that are lighter and just as rugged, it has to be that heavy

>>32883133
>it has to be that heavy
Not really. You could probably take 1/3rd of the weight of the receiver off without changing the way the gun goes together. If you redesigned it with a gas system you could probably take 1/3 of the total weight off. Whenever someone picks it up, the first thing they comment on is the deceptive weight.

>>32883208
>You could probably take 1/3rd of the weight of the receiver off without changing the way the gun goes together

So if you did away with it's quick disassembly which is a feature they wanted and completely redesigned the gun from the ground up, it would be lighter

Well fuck me sideways why don't you tell that to FN?

>If you redesigned it with a gas system you could probably take 1/3 of the total weight off

Yes, make it less reliable, slower firing, and larger
Great idea

They specifically made it blowback because it's small and reliable

>>32883227
Slower firing would be a good feature desu P90s shoot too fast.

The upper is aluminium not steel.

>>32883227
You're illiterate and retarded and you don't own a PS90 and you have probably never held one and you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>32883285
End your life

>>32883265
yet they're incredibly controllable and have huge magazines with a weak as shit round

The whole point is you put 10 rounds on a guy in the same period that you'd put 5 with another gun

>>32883292
you're certainly no engineer, that's for sure

>get rekt
>le kill yourself

lmao

>>32883311
Meme spouting Wikipedia kiddo who has never laid a finger on a PS90

>>32883336
whatever bud
I took the whole thing apart at Gander Mountain when I played with it last

You're the one who doesn't understand the basics of engineering or gunsmithing

If FN could make the gun better in so many ways like you claim, they would have

>>32883292
It is cast aluminium. You dumb nigger

>>32883355
>If FN could make the gun better in so many ways like you claim, they would have
Expecting FN to make smart design decisions is like expecting H&K to make smart business decisions.

>>32882961
Unless hes actually retarded expect him to want you shit ar plus like $2000. Especially if its armslist.

>>32883397
wow
just
wow

>>32883404
>for a gun that MSRPs at $1400

Whatever bud

>>32883355
Truly impressive. Go read some more Wikipedia articles.

There are aftermarket billet aluminum PS90 receivers. The receiver could easily be made of aluminum and give massive weight reduction without changing a single goddamn thing. Steel is cheaper. It's heavy because it's cheaper that way. Fucking teenager

>>32883357
>aluminium
If I didn't think you were trolling I'd take a pic with a magnet stuck to the receiver.

>>32883411
>The receiver could easily be made of aluminum and give massive weight reduction without changing a single goddamn thing

You are now aware that a blowback bolt slamming into aluminum will peen the shit out of it and damage it
You're also aware that small parts made out of aluminum have a huge propensity to bend and break

You want to know why ARs work with aluminum?
Because it's all directly in line
The PS90 is not by any means in line

>>32883311
yeah but OP has a pS90 aka not automatic fire
so in that respect it will be kind of ass compared to an AR
it's like a semi auto version of an american 180, nobody really knows why it exists but some faggot mall ninjas just HAVE to have it to be cool so the free market decides they get made

>>32883449
>yeah but OP has a pS90 aka not automatic fire

so then fire rate is irrelevant

>so in that respect it will be kind of ass compared to an AR

It was never designed for civilian sales since the round is only effective in full auto

It's just a fun gun to have
There's no reason for battle rifles, or mild variations of other rounds
It's about having fun

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>>32883411

>>32883480
might as well just shoot .17 hmr or .22 mag for fun out of a scoped rifle, it'd be more accurate and still fire as fast as you'd pull the trigger. it's not even any less concealable because OP isn't buying a SBR

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I had one and ended up selling it.

Some notes about the PS90:
-A good used price is in the $850 range, plus or minus $50 or so, depending on your market.
-The "tri-rail" model is very desirable because the top rail is at a normal fucking height.
-The new version being sold has an annoyingly tall rail that necessitates a chin weld for an optic and then it has a peep sight down the middle of it with zero field of view. Although there are options to get a custom machined low profile optics mount that attaches directly to the receiver (see pic for explanation) through a guy that you can find on the FN Forum, it costs around $80 extra, IIRC, so devalue the new model PS90s by that much compared to a tri-rail.
-The original black reticle sights are the most desirable and expensive, since they are made of metal and mount at a normal fucking height. IIRC, it might add as much as $350 or more to the price due to extreme scarcity - not due to the inherent quality of the optic, which is low.
-White reticle sights are made of plastic and also very desirable due to scarcity, but not as valuable. Maybe adds $150 to the price.
-Early "Gen 1" models had a hammer pack that was designed for easy (albeit illegal) conversion to FA, and typically fetch a higher price due to masturbating fudds thinking that they are going to convert their guns when rule of law breaks down or something. I believe you can identify Gen 1 rifles by their OD green color, but not positive that was discontinued when the hammer pack was changed.
-Magazines are pretty cheap and shouldn't be considered to be adding much value if included extra. IIRC, you can get a 50-rounder for like $20 brand new online.
-Slings in general don't fit very well and probably shouldn't be considered as adding much value if included extra either, since it may be a style you aren't interested in.

Also, about ammo: the American Eagle ammo you can get from PSA on sale is prone to jamming, so is a lot less desirable than FN ammo.

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>>32883444
You are now aware that the bolt doesn't contact the receiver, at all, ever.

You are now further exposed for not knowing jack shit about the PS90.

You are now going to move the goalposts and try and pretend like you know about the PS90 when you don't know shit about it.

Are you looking forward to getting your after-9's?

>>32883533
>A good used price is in the $850 range
Wanna know how I know you don't know what you're talking about.

>>32883532
>might as well just shoot .17 hmr or .22 mag for fun out of a scoped rifle

which doesn't have the velocity, mag capacity, or aesthetic

Why do you hate fun

>>32883532
>because OP isn't buying a SBR

Whoever said I wouldn't SBR it down the road
And besides, CCing an SBR is a terrible idea

>>32883549
I don't know what kind of psychological landmine I stepped on with your fragile ego, but that is what they go for, used.

>>32883546
then what's it contacting fuck knuckle?
Because that piece WILL contact important parts

You're the one claiming to be a big bad engineer who could completely rewrite everything FN does because "you just gotta do this"

You must be an engineer because I hear that trash come out of every yuppy college student engineer's mouth right before he gets his shit kicked in by people who actually know what they're doing

>>32883591
>then what's it contacting fuck knuckle?
Are you fucking blind?

This is my last reply for your dumb ass.

>>32883285
go away no guns.

>>32883533
this actually helps a lot

So are the white and black reticle sights the ones where it was like a built in red dot?

>>32883585
Post literally one for that price.

>>32883311
>a weak as shit round
it's unfortunate that your mother didn't abort you.

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>>32882961
>panic buys an AR because Hillocaust
>Trump wins
>why won't people trade me a PS90 straight up for it?

You got got OP. Serves you right for panic buying like an idiot. Quit being a jew and pay the man.

>>32883610
appears to be contacting the receiver to me

>>32883611
see>>32883519

>>32883627
>>why won't people trade me a PS90 straight up for it?

You didn't read the post at all, did you?

>>32883585
they're all in the $1000+ range

>>32883627
dumbass

>>32883409
>can't make a good rebuttal to a true statement so he just says "wow"

>see conflicting posts about prices
>start looking
>while scrolling fine violin cases specifically for a P90

I didn't think I'd need something like that, but I sure do now

>>32883628
that's the barrel

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I mean, the PS90 is pretty neat

I need to file my Form 1 though... Long barrel is suffering

Optic on for shitposting purposes, mini acog soon

>>32883688
okay so not only did you have no idea what I was talking about because I meant when it recoils, but you don't have a clue what YOU'RE talking about because when that bolt smashes forward, it contacts the barrel and thus transfers into the receiver

Aluminum would stretch over time of fucking explosions happening within it

>>32883704
>mini acog soon
bitch you better lower that sight axis.

>>32883706
not that guy

you're just stupid

>>32883533
>is prone to jamming,
I have never had it jam in my ps90

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>>32883706
>Aluminum would stretch over time of fucking explosions happening within it

hurr why would u make engine blocks out of aluminum

kys my dude

>>32883716
See>>32883533
>The "tri-rail" model is very desirable because the top rail is at a normal fucking height.
-The new version being sold has an annoyingly tall rail that necessitates a chin weld for an optic and then it has a peep sight down the middle of it with zero field of view. Although there are options to get a custom machined low profile optics mount that attaches directly to the receiver (see pic for explanation) through a guy that you can find on the FN Forum, it costs around $80 extra, IIRC, so devalue the new model PS90s by that much compared to a tri-rail.

When I get the mini acog, I'll get the correct mount. That's what came with the rifle from FN

>>32883735
>hurr why would u make engine blocks out of aluminum

engine blocks don't have anywhere near as much pressure inside them

And yes, aluminum blocks are shit because galling, wear, etc

Notice anyone who has them has problems

>>32883706
>when it recoils
Wait, are you saying, are you actually fucking saying the bolt contacts the PS90 receiver when it recoils?

Are you actually saying that? You can't be fucking serious right now. You could watch a fucking YouTube video on how the P90 works and know better than that. You really don't know a goddamn thing about this gun. You're embarrassing yourself.

>>32883755
unless it has an ultimax style constant recoil system, it contacts the receiver when it reaches the back of it's stroke

>>32883751
My God, this board is fucking cancer

>>32883769
cast iron blocks from the 80s will go literal millions of miles while aluminum blocks will have major issues before hitting 200k

>>32883761
I'm done here, for real this time, you dug your own grave with that retarded ass post.

You really are a teenager.

>>32883782
an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force

So

Either it has an ultimax system, or it hits something

You're not an engineer
You're claims are made up bullshit with no research to back them up

>>32883751
>Notice anyone who has them has problems

Why would they keep making them then?

>>32883761
>Bolt recoils
>Spring compresses

>Magic!

>Spring somehow compresses into negative space, and allows it to contact the reciever

>>32883620
>>32883662
The prices you see on Gunbroker are artifically inflated right now because FN hasn't imported a batch of PS90s in a while, owners aren't selling them at a very fast rate, and the local sales tend to get sold quickly, so you don't see them. That doesn't mean that the market price has changed. I bought mine for $850 used and sold it for the same price - after trying to sell it for $1000 and having it just sit for weeks with no interest. Check The FN Forum for some more realistic market prices. Hell, just start a thread there asking what the go for if you don't believe me.

>>32883614
Like a built in red dot, but not illuminated. You can get an aftermarket illumination device, though. Purists believe that the best way to run a PS90 is with one of those factory reticle sights, but due to the kind of shitty quality, they aren't really a good value even if you can track one down.

>>32883729
It's the American Eagle 5.7 bullet design. The FN bullets are g2g, but the AE bullet is just too broad nosed. You will occasionally get a round that gets hung up, pushing the bullet back into the case. If you want to check how well they are hanging up, then next time you are at a range, dry cycle through a magazine of the stuff and then just look at the bullet set back of the ejected rounds.

>>32883796
>Why would they keep making them then?

cheap and keeps up with federal emissions standards

>>Spring somehow compresses into negative space, and allows it to contact the reciever

wow the it's an ultimax system
how hard was that

>>32883805
good to know

It's nice to have someone actually help in this thread instead of having shitty opinions or thinking they're gonna be the next JMB

>>32883805
I didn't say gunbroker, now did I.
Find one. One single one, anywhere.

>>32883806
you're a fucking idiot, just leave

>>32883818
I know what I am saying from direct experience buying and selling one and shopping for them. I literally don't care if you believe me or not. I have nothing to prove here. It's no loss to the world if you pay somebody $200 too much for his used PS90 and I wish you the best in shopping for them, if you are serious about it.

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>>32883806
>wow the it's an ultimax system how hard was that

>I was just pretending to be retarded!

>>32883832
have fun when your spark plugs gall into the holes and your head siezes to the block then, fuck face

>>32883850
do you even know what the ultimax system is

>>32883835
Yeah, I already have one.
You're still full of shit kid.

>>32883789
nigga there's a spring where the fuck do you think it goes
do you think the motherfucking spring just vworps off into the nth dimension you fucking retard

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>>32883859
Constant Recoil
Yes

I'm pointing out that you're saying exactly what's going on, then saying "That's not how it works, I don't even own one"

>>32883859
evidently from the lack of sources i get when i look up ps90 ultimax, something that doesn't fucking exist
jesus christ i'm fucking sick of this day/k/are bullshit fuckin space shuttle door gunner ass shit "hurr durrr i field stripped a ps90 at gander mountain one time so i'm automatically an expert in it look at my airsoft collection guys, my patches are so cool" like FUCK

>>32883878
it compresses inside the cutaways in the bolt

>>32883881
at least you understand it unlike fucktard here>>32883906

The ultimax system is a constant recoil system
Look up the ultimax, noguns

>>32883881
He still doesn't know what's going on. For some reason he thinks that the receiver is like an AK and the bolt is fully encompassed inside the receiver. He has no idea how the PS90 works, as in, I don't think he's ever even taken one apart like he said, or even watched a video on one. He's completely ignorant.

>>32883906
>somehow manages to shit on the patch threads as well

man you're just salty as fuck

>>32883946
just because the ATF calls it a receiver doesn't mean the rest of the frame isn't a receiver

>>32883987
i don't mind the patch threads on here, i just feel like this dude has fucking moldy labia patches plastered all over his fuckin gear

>>32884005
Just stop

>want advice on problems the gun may or may not have
>74 posts in
>maybe 4 posts are actually helpful

GG /k/ you fucking idiots

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The bolt literally only touches metal twice in a cycle, it touches brass, and it touches the barrel. The only thing else it comes in contact with is polymer, Ever.
>>32883444
What part of the ps90 action isn't directly in line?

>>32883863
>>32883818
>>32883662
>>32883549
>someone had a different experience than I had
>he must be a lying rat, out to slander my good name and piss in my face
You must be a real pleasant person to have dinner with. It's amazing that your mom puts up with you and lets you live in her basement.

>>32884282
Price of the PS90 on the used market is 1050, plus or minus. Add exponentially more for models that are anything other than the standard current generation models.

Ammo can be had for 30-40CPR. Mags are a pain to load but only because of the time involved. The AE ammo is absolutely fine and the guy claiming it doesn't work is full of shit. Actual bad mama jama AP ammo can be purchased online but is prohibitively expensive, rather than just prohibited.

They are deceptively heavy, weighing almost as much as an M4 despite their size.

They do not suppress well, and the flash hider is permanently attached. You will need to chop the barrel if you wish to change it, or SBR. The barrel is actually a pencil barrel underneath an outer shroud. The barrel is actually loosely floating, as it reciprocates slightly when firing similar to a Barret M82 or Browning Auto 5 to aid in reliability and extraction, do not worry about it seemingly not being attached.

No one gives a shit about how it recoils. It feels like a .22 and that's all that matters.

Mankave makes gen1 replica parts for like $40 if you care for them. Don't make it full auto, that's a bad. I'd advise picking up new trigger springs as well as the stock trigger is resoundingly meh, mine pulls at about 4-4.5lbs.

Put the loop side of velcro on your dust cover and trigger pack to prevent it from being damaged from ejecting brass.

Ditch the retarded ass lego rail and replace it with a TROSUSA PR5 low profile rail or something similar. There are three sets of iron sights, one through the original rail, and two to both sides of the cast receiver. They're all garbage.

Anything else trucknuts?

>>32884400
Still waiting on actual evidence to support your claim. Better keep shit talking hoping we forget.

>>32883409
Have you ever been on armslist?
Anyway offer him 850 and keep your ar.

>>32884460
>>32884453
>the prices on gunbroker are the same as the prices paid in local sales in every market
This is exactly why some Armslist sellers always seem like they are overvaluing their guns. You are what's wrong with Armslist.

>b-but he didn't post PROOFS!!
The PS90 really is such a niche a gun that they don't come up for sale very often. When one comes up for sale at a fair market price, it sells immediately. It's a catch-22 for posting "the proofs" that you are so obsessed with. The ones you see on Gunbroker just sitting there unsold for $1000+ are just that: they are sitting there, fishing for a sucker to come along and pay a premium during a time of scarcity. Obviously, plenty of suckers exist, as evidenced by your impotent rage smeared all over this thread, like a monkey's feces.

>>32884460
>>32884453
I'd also note that prior to about two years ago, you couldn't find a CZ 75 Pre-B on Gunbroker for anywhere south of $600. Now, due to a sudden influx of Pre-B's to the market, they barely sell for $300. There is quite a bit of fluctuation in the gun market, but there's a lot more price scalping to create artificial price inflation. The .22lr shortage should have taught you this and I really shouldn't need to keep repeating it, so I suspect you don't actually know anything about buying guns and just buy all your shit from Cabelas or something.

>>32884813
Still waiting.

>>32884813

Not the guy that keeps posting for the PROOFS but PS90s were cheaper a few years ago because LEO pricing was retardedly low. I wish I had bought one then. That is long gone now and you won't see them at that price any longer. Prices change over time.

Around 1100-1200 is what you see most often and they will sell at that price... eventually. Seeing one around $1000 is rare.

They are fun guns although I am sort of put off by how weird 5.7 is to reload.

>this category 5 shit slinging
How? Why?

>>32885006

Sometimes people say something marginally silly and generally completely unimportant, in this case that a gun goes for less than it actually does. When this happens somebody points it out, then the other person doubles down and it turns into this level of stupidity or autistic screeching.

>>32882961
Owned one for about 8 years now. It has literally never once jammed. Light as a feather, ergonomic, and accurate as hell.
Takedown is a one button press, and it's easy to clean.
Only down side is cost of ammo. It's not unreasonable, but you'll be shooting it, A LOT.

>>32885878
>Light as a feather
No.

>>32885902
Dude, it's only about 6 lbs. Seriously, that's not heavy at all. I've routinely fired it one handed.
Are you handicapped or something?

>>32886002
>6lbs is light as a feather
Are you retarded?

>>32886014
No, just not a raging pussy. Dude, go lift sometime, will you?

>>32883751
>>32883777
>>32883851
Welcome to my lesson on aluminum engines. Where the head is made of aluminum, the steel spark plug sits inside of a threaded insert to protect the aluminum. There is no contact from the aluminum or steel piston as it requires space for the combustion process.
For the block itself, steel cylinder sleeves have been always been used because of excellent wear resistance.
B-but anon, some pistons are made of aluminum! Yes kiddies, some are, and they are protected by the piston gasket and steel piston rings that are made to minimize wear of the cylinder walls.
How is this /k/related?
In the blowback operated p90 and derivatives, the steel bolt contacts the steel barrel (which contains the explosive release of gases) then recoils along steel rails until reaching the end of the ALUMINUM reciever WITH MOST OF THE ENERGY ABSORBED BY THE RECOIL SPRING.
Y'all are a bunch of dumb fucks at times.

>>32886046
t. certified retard

>>32885006
Somebody overpaid for his PS90 and now wants to pat himself on the back to assure himself that "it's all going to be OK." Lol, it's so transparent >>32884822

>>32885046
>in this case that a gun goes for less than it actually does.
Haha, faggot. You are still THIS MAD.

>>32884964
>a few years ago
This video is from 2015 and Dugan says that he got his for $900 on Gunbroker. Keep in mind that Gunbroker prices are always inflated when compared to local face to face sales. I had mine from around late 2015 and sold it in mid 2016. Again, I tried listing it for $1000. It didn't sell. That's not their market price.
https://youtu.be/h0ACX6ZcqTU?t=5m37s

tfw Dugan puts the haters to bed

>>32885023
Overpriced by a lot.

>>32886188
Man, such a scathing comeback. Seriously man, your are coming across a no guns, insecure child. You're so weak that you can't hold up a 6 lb object with two hands? By the way, that six pounds is with it loaded with 50 rounds. I've trained women that have fired that thing one handed.

So not only are you retarded, moronic, insecure, and completely uninformed about firearms, you're a titanic puss.
Ok. I'm sure you have some Cowadooty to get to

>>32886275

> Early 2015 is 2017

I think the point that you are not getting is that you just don't see them at that price. People might snap them up at $900, but thats true with any good deal. They sit for a while in the 1k+ range because they are a niche product.

>>32886338
>this is x!
>it isn't x
>WOW YOU'RE SUCH A RETARDED FAGGOT I CAN'T EVEN
Truly /k/ never disappoints.

>>32886014
it's not just the weight, but the weight distribution. As another P90 SBR owner, I can attest that it's significantly easier to handle than my 8.4 inch 300blk AR SBR.

You might want to own one before you shoot your whore mouth off again, fag.

>>32886545
Please tell me where I claimed anything other than that it isn't light, daddy.

>>32886497
Two years is not a long enough time for the price to jump that much on the used gun market. If you read my post, you'd realize that the real problem is scarcity. This is a foreign produced firearm and they aren't being imported in large numbers right now. If you look on slickguns, there are only like a half a dozen sellers who even have them in stock on the entire internet, and most of them have an upgraded model with a factory red dot. Once FN imports a new batch and the market settles down, the used online market will start to reflect that and go back to where it should be.

>>32882961
It's useless, the real ammo for it will cost you about 25$ per round. Yes twenty five American rollers per round.

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>>32887073
>25$ per round
I paid 60c per round for mine.

Stop making shit up.

>>32887131
That is not SS190, it's lead free junk.

>>32887173
you've never bench marked any of the 5.7mm cartridges. Go away, no gun.

>>32887330
You know I'm right, stay salty.

>>32883111
>Also, the receiver uses a ton of steel for no good reason other than making production cheaper
Wouldn't this be a good thing for durability?

>>32882961
This thing would wreck ass at varmint hunting.