Why are modern guerilla movements invincible?

No, it's just that in order to effectively defeat them you have to be absolutely ruthless and hold nothing back and the modern world that's too mean and politically incorrect

>>32882072
Their leadership and supply chains are allowed to relatively unharassed persist in """friendly""" countries. If you wanted to wipe the Taliban off the map, you invade Saudi Arabia and Pakistan too.

>>32882072

Because nobody is willing to fight them as they should be fought, no holds barred. You are going to lose the population at home, on the front or both.
Or you live long enough to get dragged through the court of human rights for genicide.

Unless you go full Sri Lanka and fucking destroy them and don't care.

>>32882072
ROE

http://louisville.edu/armyrotc/files/Galula%20David%20-%20Counterinsurgency%20Warfare.pdf
http://louisville.edu/armyrotc/files/Roger%20Trinquier%20-%20Modern%20Warfare.pdf
http://louisville.edu/armyrotc/files/FM%203-24%20Counterinsurgency.pdf

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>>32882072
It's easy to shoot a deer, it's harder to shoot a hoard of roaches.

>>32882137
then how did the partisans in poland operate until 1945

>>32882103
This

>>32882103
Thread pretty much ended with this post

>>32882103
What are people holding back? What is Syrian government and Iraqi government holding back against ISIS?

>>32882103
people say that a lot. there is truth to it, but it is way too much of an oversimplification and I am skeptical of how true it is.

>>32882281
this

>>32882823

Doesnt ISIS hold territory?i thought it was somewhat conventional there.

>>32882823
Islamic State isn't a guerilla movement.

>>32882823
the syrian government also has the US bombing its allies and arming its enemies

>>32882424
They were organised and received help from both Allies and their government in exile. Not to mention even the "greatest" resistance movements contributed less to combat than the smallest armies. The greatest value they provided was Intel.

>>32882886
yeah they are

>>32882072
Lmao all these kiddies above me.
Because banks and MIC fund both sides and it's more profitable to keep it going than end it.

>>32882911
They were when they were AQI, but right now they are a shitty conventional force.

>>32882424
Same way everyone else in Poland survived ww2, getting fucking massacred.

>>32882823
Using artillery to completely destroy any city they control. Killing all the family and friends of known terrorists.

There's a lot of things they could do, but like anon said, they are unacceptable.

>>32882911
Guerilla movements rely on asymmetrical warfare and hiding inside a civilian population. ISIS is very capable of not having to do so, moreso back in their glory days before the airstrikes.

>>32882865

Sure it's a bit simplified, but the truth is no country is out there on the offensive and claiming outright they are building colonies or out for conquest. That's frowned upon in connected web of global economy.

Insurgencies understand this. They understand they just need to wait it out. Sprinkle in a bit of random violence and they can help hasten their occupiers exit.

>>32882884
I assumed that the person was referring to Trump's claims of bombing the **** out of them.

>>32882886
It kinda is, they operate using guerilla tactics.

>>32882897
But what is being held back, like if no one was "holding back" what would they have done?

>>32882951
No one actually knows the highest officials of these organizations let alone their friends and families. Syria has like 5 big cities, do you mean to tell in order to win the war you need to destroy three of those? Then it's not really winning isn't it?

>>32882972

This is probably why ISIS is being used as a tool by major world powers; it's okay if they capture territory because they're the designated "bad guys", so just give them the resources to murder a country or two that's been sitting on your bad side, and then once they've destroyed everything of value, wipe out the now conventional state that they have created and claim moral superiority. Of course, ISIS knows the moment they actually accomplish their main goal will be the moment that NATO and probably Russia will rush in and turn their "country" into Berlin cira. 1944, which prevents them from ever acting beyond petty acts of terrorism and playing hot potato with territories.

>>32882072
>Why are modern guerilla movements invincible?

Because we can't go full murder their direct relatives Russian style of brutality. We have to give them German passports instead of the proper beheadings they deserve.

>>32883499
>Because we can't go full murder their direct relatives Russian style of brutality.
Please explain how to do this when we don't even know their leaders let alone regular fighters.

>>32882072
They are antifragile. Read Nassim Taleb's books, and also Fry the Brain.

>>32883541
Probably something tantamount to McCarthyism, but like hell would that fly today.

Guerilla movements in modern times take huge losses and inflict relatively few casualties on the occupying forces. The problem is that the occupiers come from countries that are generally anti-war and casualty averse, so every failure is magnified and every success is ignored because it's expected.

There's no easy solution though because brutality doesn't work like everyone says it does, otherwise the Russians would have won in Afghanistan and not taken 10+ years to win in Chechnya. The Nazis had insurgency issues in Yugoslavia, Greece and certain other spots too but they put it down with huge force.

My main point- the size of the coin force is important. You didn't have much of a French resistance because there were 300-500k Germans in France, a peaceful country compared to Belarus, Poland, Yugo. Insurgency flourished in Iraq and A'stan and Vietnam because of foreign support and not nearly enough men to handle it.

With 500k guys the Iraqi insurgency wouldn't have been half of what it was. Same with Afghan.

>>32882072

Except in the case of Mali, Northern Ireland, Sri Lanka, Sierra Leone, Chechnya, Colombia and most communist movements after 1990