Best Multirole in the US Inventory

DCS F/A-18 never.

gachunk!

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And its still outclassed by every eurocanard...

That's not an F-15

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THIS

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>>32879353
>Best Multirole in the US Inventory
>Clearly sporting RN markings

u wot m8

Also

>F-35B
>best

>>32879008
Okay

F35A

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>>32879008
There's only one correct answer:

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>>32879308
>k

>>32879308

>Rafale
>Outclassing anything

I'll take a plane that actually has a not shit radar, is able to carry more than one anti-ship missile per plane, an HMD and BVR ability, please.

>>32879228
Have they scrapped the F/A-18C aswell? I was waiting for the Hornet.....

>>32880441
What aircraft is the attacker?

>>32880471
Hornet with a Rafale in the gunsight.

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>>32879008
Her nerdy little sister is a qt

>>32879353
> mach 1.6
> 15000 ft operational ceilng
> 0.87 thrust/weight
> can't climb, can't turn, can't run.
> most expensive project ever

This is the greatest disaster in history of aviation.

>>32880728
bait
> mach 1.6
while armed
> 15000 ft operational ceilng
not even close
> 0.87 thrust/weight
since when do jets fight with 100% fuel loads
> can't climb, can't turn, can't run.
thanks Sprey
> most expensive project ever
biggest modern project ever

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F-35A

>>32880728
Are you imply that because your shitty plane cost pocket change to make with copied German research it's better then the F-35?

>>32880464
Don't worry, an inside source said that its on track for a 2016 release

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>>32881173
I have to wait until time starts again, and then another fucking 6000 years??

This is bullshit, I want it now.

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>>32880728
Hello, Pierre

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F-35A > F-35C > F-35B >other shit

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F-16XL
extremely long range
huge load carrying ability

this is the fighter for modern combat for dealing with regional conflicts and far off enemies

really surprised Canada and Australia havent bought this, it would be perfect for their large area of coverage they require

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>>32881591
They want twin engines for safety, I do hope they atleast get the CFT's and enhanced engines for the Super Hornets. They bring more badass to those beasts!

The F-16XL is hot as fuck tho, too bad we didn't get them here in Norway for our old Vipers, but I remember there were some kind of a trade off with the delta wing in fighting performance..

>>32882045
>They want twin engines for safety
Except that's just a blatantly wrong meme. The actual numbers put twins at LESS reliable with modern engines.

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>>32882143
Really? Is that counting Hornets that operate from carriers, because that in itself is pretty fucking substantial on wear...

>>32882306
Overall based on actual engine failures, which are nowadays pretty rare.

With twins you double the maintenance hours, double the risk of defects and mistakes, and generally in a combat aircraft anything that can disable one will take two. Adjacent pair models can see catastrophic failures cascade to the goo engine, and wide-sets like the F-14 spin out when they experience a sudden thrust imbalance.

>>32881591
Would be a neat thing if they made it a two seater and marketed it as a cheaper F-15E for countries with a lower budget. Seems like the block 60+ took that role with a single seat though

>>32882045
>They want twin engines for safety
That was a meme the Navy came up with after Congress told them to evaluate the LWF contenders. Can't let themselves get caught flying an Air Force plane.

>>32880441
I want to see the BATR cue

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>>32882368
The only fighter that comes close to the wide Tomcat is the F-15, and it ain't that bad on the Eagle. The Hornet's engines are very close and I've never heard of a problem like spin on F-18's.

Anyway there was plenty of Hornets that made it back on one engine after taking a missile up the ass during Desert storm.

Either way, they want twin engines, the XL is long dead and they operate Hornets.
Another point is the Hornets landing gear and general ruggidness from carrier design, makes them able to operate from roads and very short runways with cables..

>>32882467
A factor was also low speed handling, and the need for a heavier frame.

>>32880728
Lol now you're just trying too hard. Your bait needs to be more subtle.

>>32882506
Im not sure what you mean, but the snap is from a Hornet cruise video, but looks like it has been made private or something sadly..

https://theaviationist.com/2017/01/17/this-vfa-31-cruise-video-includes-rare-atflir-view-of-a-russian-flanker-encountered-during-anti-isis-mission/

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>>32882506
>>32882588
I found it here tho :)

http://www.bilibili.com/video/av8034481/

>>32882509
There's still nothing special about Canada's operations that we don't already do in Alaska with F-16/35s, it's still a meme that twins are better.

>>32882506

why do you assholes never check in with Giant Killer in W-122? nothing like having a Rhino not on comms (other than guard) blitz through a B-course BFM ride.

if you're west coast, ignore but pass to your bros on the east coast flying off the boat.

>>32879008
>Tactical point defence fuel carrier
>Best Multirole in the US Inventory
Lol.

>>32882891
F-15E WSO bro? Just started flying out there in the past two weeks with my class. Does the female on Giant Killer always seem bitchy to you or is it just her reaction to the young pilots sounding like a mess on the radios?

>>32882950

yeah. she's a bitch. congrats on breaking the mach and dodging the ORE.

don't fuck up TR and hook out for that bullshit because you went below mins on a ILS. that shit's stupid and embarrassing.

>>32882973
Been thinking about bases recently and asking around the squadron and now asking you. How do you like SJ? Do you live here or up in Raleigh? Sounds like most single dudes live up there. I just don't know how that will be with a normal ops day if it is like the normal 10-12 in the b-course and UPT. Right now I'm leaning Lakenheath #1 then tied Mountain Home and SJ but so far I like living in this region and the people in the town are really nice.

>>32883047
SJ wasn't my first choice, but it's not bad. one of the best things about the Mudhen is there's no bad bases. the level of talent is amazing if you get out to Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill too, and unlike at Del Rio the girls are all in grad school or nurses, not "i'm 27 and getting my cosmetology license".

i'm living in town but probably moving out eventually based on life stuff. yeah i put in 10-12 hour days, but dudes will carpool to/from Raleigh so you only drive maybe 1x/wk. like everything, it depends. while you're going through MQ/2FLUG/4FLUG/IPUG it's gonna be annoying as hell to put in a 15 hour day only to hook the ride and have to re-do your boards. but i spend so many weeknights doing nothing in GB and i go to Raleigh on the weekends because otherwise it's just Netflix and PS4 and Brew Works (which is legit, but c'mon... only one bar since the Shamrock's closing). LN is a blast but be prepared for culture shock due to britbongs and wearing poopie suits all the time. MO is fun if you like camping and hiking on the weekends, otherwise you might be bored. my buddies there go off-roading a lot.

anywhere there's nightlife near a Mudhen (except Vegas) it's gonna be about 69 minutes away from the fighter ramp.

>>32883047
>>32883106

Is it true that most pilots are Academy guys? That's the only thing that has me looking more towards the navy for flying instead of the air force.

>>32883128

yes. that's gonna be true for the Navy too. there's fighter pilots from every commissioning source though.

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>>32880728
Here we go again

>>32883155
They don't end up having a sort of inside track though, right?

My biggest concern right now is having enough resume filler to appeal, and having a nuclear-physicist-who-practices-neurosurgery-GPA in my non-engineering major, because it seems like the navy and AF both will take a engineer with a 3.3 over an econ/math guy with a 3.6. Is that accurate or no?

>>32883220

academy grads have the best shot of getting a pilot slot. but that only gets your foot in the door. you still have to land the jet, to not make stupid radio calls/take off without clearance, to not go blind after 6.9 seconds of flying tac, to change the radios appropriately, to not overspeed the flaps/gear or over-G the jet, to not no-step for an EP, to pass all your tests, etc. the playing field is fairly level once you get to UPT, but it's decidedly not level to get there.

>>32883259
I still have a ways to go before I get to that point; I'm only a sophomore who still hasn't declared a major. How important is your major for getting picked up? I know technical is preferred, but I think a math/econ major would be fine. As for GPA would anything over a 3.5 put me in good stead?

Thanks for answering my questions btw.

>>32883308
if you're at that point, look into ROTC. that'll up your chances a lot. but you're gonna have to be pretty rock star in order to get picked up for field training (or whatever the NROTC equivalent is) because you're gonna be trying to take a slot that a detachment is giving out to someone they've known for 2 years. i think you might compete after two years as a sophomore (so your senior year) but i'm not 100% sure.

yeah, with that major a >3.5 would be money.

>>32883346
Sadly, my school doesn't have ROTC beyond Army. Thought about how I could start a NROTC program, but don't know how I would start to do that.

Glad to hear that my major is okay.

>>32880801

15:1 kill ratio at Red Flag this year, apparently.

>>32883393

cross-town to a local NROTC detachment.

c'mon man, gotta show some drive/that you want it.

>>32883412
>cross-town to a local NROTC detachment.

To see if there's an affiliate program? I'll definitely look into that. If I can make it work it'll be better than going OCS.

Thanks for your help man, really appreciate it.

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What makes the Super Bug superior to the F-15E in terms of multi-role capability? I do know many of the Super Hornets have AESA, not sure about the Strike Eagles.

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>>32883508
I think the price mainly, in terms of pure capability the SE got the Hornets beat for the most part.
I've heard the Eagles have the edge up high, and Hornets down low in dogfights.

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>>32883395
With a greatly increased difficulty level from the 'standard' Red Flag.

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>>32883572

>>32883508

Well bug can be launched off carriers, for one.

Also, F-15 has gofast mode for interception, unlike bug (2.5 compared to 1.8). The main idea behind the F-15 was to get into the air, fly far and fast in a straight line, shoot at incoming bombers, then fly back--once upon a time. That's why Singapore, Japan, Israel, and South Korea have a bunch of them.

But now when everybody can carry 1000lb JDAMs, yeah, I guess there isn't much difference.

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>>32884065
Ey, you saved my picture :3

And I see I can't spell..

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Am I the only one who wants to fly a military jet through the alps or some other beautiful location while listening to Ace Combat's soundtrack

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>>32884375
No anon, no you are not..

>>32883395
But noone is gonna report on that.
F35 critics hate any positive F35 news.

>>32884862

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/red-flag-gives-f-35a-its-toughest-test-yet

But no, it won't show up on Foxtrot Alpha or The Atlantic.

>>32883395
What killed it?

>>32879308

>this is what Yurofags actually believe

>>32884957
The question is which aircraft did it fight against.

>>32885303
Sounds like mix of f15s and f16s
Just like 24 of them.

It says in the article extensive jamming measures were being used against the f35As.

Nice to see out 400 billion project at least has some results

>>32880728
The official specs for new planes are rather suspect. For example, stories from their pilots readily show that the Raptor's t/w is far better than the official numbers claim.

Viper

Answer is always Viper

>>32884963
Most likely an F-15C or F-16C. There were also some contracted Red Air planes, which likely means Draken International A-4 Skyhawks (the Skyhawks are kitted to electronically simulate more advanced aircraft), although it's possible (but less likely) that they could have also been privately owned Su-27s.

>>32882781
>twin engines are a meme!
>shown examples of Hornets that made it back on a single engine
>twin engines are still a meme!

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>>32882781
>it's still a meme that twins are better

>>32879008
That is a weird picture of the F-15E. Hmm.
>>32879338
my nigga. We dont need ship when we got global reach.

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>>32885810
I've seen a unrestricted F22 climb video.
It's pretty fucking insane how fast that fucker goes out of sight


The official 35,000lbs of thrust the f119 (f22) engines are rated for is bullshit

>>32885943
Twin engined jets are inherently less reliable.
Why?
Because when 1 engine fails, there is a 87% chance it will take the 2nd engine with it.(source: airforce study)
You now have TWICE as many parts that can fail and a huge chance you won't be able to fly back on 1.

That being said, the massive thrust of 2 engines is undeniable and the engines don't fail that often.

If you can provide enough thrust with 1 engine, that's the best choice.

>>32886081
>>32885810
Something a lot of people forgot to copy over or fail to read is the ">" prefix or "+" suffix. The official specs for the F119 engine don't state it puts out 35,000lbf of thrust, they state it puts out >35,000lbf.

>>32886142
>there is a 87% chance it will take the 2nd engine with it.(source: airforce study)
link?

>>32886199
It's not just the thrust; the plane is probably a lot lighter than the claimed numbers as well.

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>>32881591
>really surprised Canada and Australia havent bought this
You must not be Canadian, it is no way surprising we have not bought anything in what feels like eons here. It is however embarrassing and shameful.

>>32886332
Eh, weight is one of those things that have to be reported correctly - there are official weigh ins that give to-to-pound figures, although those figures can change over time a little as upgrades, etc are made. Radars on the other hand are significantly underrated; the F-22 was officially stated to have >1500 T/R modules, in reality it has just under 2000. The F-35's radar has been stated as having >1000 T/R modules or >1200; in reality it has over 1600.

>>32880441
if rafale can gun f-22 and fa-18 can gun rafale does that mean f-18 is the worlds best fighter

>>32886199
>The official specs for the F119 engine don't state it puts out 35,000lbf of thrust, they state it puts out >35,000lbf.
And you seem to imply you know for sure that this means it has a couple thousands lbf more than that value?

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>>32886489
It most certainly does.

Sleep tight Raptor.

>>32886523
Considering the f135 engine is a higher bypass f119 and it makes 42,000 lbs of thrust; the f119 is probably making more than 43K.
(Although the f135 engine has a far more aggressive Reheat)

>>32882891
Dude trust me, I have dealt with so many interlopers during training. Mostly Air Force too. It never ends. >>32886142

>>32886615
SLEEP TIGHT RAPTOR

>>32886142
Anecdotal evidence doesn't count for much, but I have known a lot of people that have lost and engine and landed safely. Having two engines also allows you to do precautionary shutdowns if something starts going wrong.

>>32883508

we're putting AESA in the Strike Eagles now.

>>32886696

yeah dude... it's just frustrating when we've got a whole "fight these dudes then drop bombs rel-targeting JDAMS with Sniper pods then fight our way out" mission planned... and we can't drop below 7k because there's a carrier that nobody's talking to/nobody knew about doing traps in-between us and the shore.

>>32886142
Statistically two engines are less reliable because nowadays most serious mishaps are maintenance related, and two increase the chance of something being overlooked.

>>32886788
>dropping into SHORAD envelope

y tho

>>32886919

it's an exclusive use warning area.

low flying is fun.

>>32886142
>when 1 engine fails, there is a 87% chance it will take the 2nd engine with it.(source: airforce study)
In combat when it actually gets hit by something, or due to something malfunctioning, or both...?

Remember, with twin engines in case of an engine failure you always have enough thrust to make it to the site of the crash.

>>32886976

dohohoho

next you'll tell me that i have the rest of my life to figure out a parachute malfunction.

>>32886959
I don't remember if that study called out the reason for engine failures.

>>32886976
Kek
Or enough power to push ur plane sideways into a mountain.

>>32886142
>That being said, the massive thrust of 2 engines is undeniable and the engines don't fail that often.
The F135 has more dry thrust than both of the Mig-29's on afterburner.

>>32887124
>still can't supercruise

smugf22.jpg

>>32887168
Depends on your definition of supercruise, but it can maintain 150nmi at 1.2 without afterburners.

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>>32879308

the rafale has some of the ugliest intakes of all fucking time

the french have an ability like no others for making hideous aircraft

>>3288661
SLEEP TIGHT RAPTOR

>>32886935
>it's an exclusive use warning area.
>low flying is fun.

This is true.

>You will never hit an SA-2 site with cluster bombs in a belly-scraping pass

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>>32887124
The f135 is the most powerful single engine in production I believe.
I actually weld and assemble the F35 and f22 afterburner section

An engineer told me the f135 could produce over 55,000lbs of thrust in certain seneros. Idk he was telling the truth as most ME. I work with are fucking dumb.

>>32887233
It can SuperCruise acually
Just depends on the definition you go by
It can fly supersonic without using reheat.

>>32886642
Jets generally make their peak thrust down low, and with quite a bit of that coming from fan thrust / bypass.
>>32886523
The F119 would likely make something like 37,000lbf, not >43,000lbf (not including any wartime emergency power settings).
>>32887753
On a test stand at sea level an F135 hit ">50,000lbf". The engines are de-rated to 43,000lbf to give a long lifespan though.

>>32885842
>contracted planes
>I'll never hear Lex tell stories about going up against F-35s
*sniff*

>>32886489
Who cares, none could compete with the Su-35 in a gunfight.

Maybe the Typhoon could if they ever give it thrust vectoring.

>>32888511
western fighters can dogfight without dumping all their energy

>>32883308
GPA comes first, then ROTC performance, and then major. You'll only have to worry about the major if you're competing with a cadet who is a clone of you.

I say ROTC because if you don't do that I wouldn't fancy your chances regardless of how well you do in school/at OCS. There's (for example) over1500 AFROTC detachments and each one has a few pilot candidates who are rocking it and get first dibs.

If you're interested, contact the nearest ROTC detachment immediately, because the sooner you start, the more time you'll have to improve before going in front of the selection board. Remember that doing ROTC incurs no commitment to serve until after you graduate from Field Training, which is competitive. As a sophomore, you'll have to either do a 2-year or 3-year program instead of a 4-year like most, and trust me, that is a hell of a challenge. But if you want to do it, believe me, you can.

>>32885943
>doesn't realize that the four previous Hornet class A mishaps (excluding collisions, 'cause no engine will save you from Muhreens) were all likely engine failures which destroyed the entire plane
>Especially the one that literally exploded as it was getting ready to launch off of a carrier

>>32886737
>a lot of people
How many, exactly? 'Cause you're making it sound like these fuckers are waiting to blow themselves out of the sky constantly. Which, y'know, sorta, but I doubt they drop much more than airliners rate, having seen how incompetent airline maintainers are.

Just curious.

>>32880728
True specification of any fighters is never disclosed to public.

but one thing's for sure
Regardless of all issues, at least F-35 isn't greatest disaster because of "maneuverable" Eurofighter.

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>>32887637
>>32886788

What's up you split tailed faggots? NKT bro checking in.

>>32889971

actually saw one of you guys doing an approach at GSB last week or something. we took about 6.9 seconds to VID a harrier.