New HK Boat Anchor

>>32870572
>stop liking what I don't like
But it looks cool.

>>32870595
It looks like an anorexic SCAR with Hk's shitty bargain basement keymod knockoff.

>HK MaSCARa

Eh, the Polish ACR, the FB MSBS will be more hipster gun and therefore cooler.

>>32870604
So a less bloated SCAR with legitimate keymod?
Sounds p gr8 2 me f a m

>>32870604
So? I like both, and I like the ACR. I think they're all cool in their own way? I don't really feel the need to compare the two, or even the three of them.

Not everything has to be a competition.

it looks pretty neat, though.
however, it doesn't fit into my life motto of less tactical more snacktical

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>>32870572
>keymod

$300 funbucks LOL

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>>32870572
It was bound to happen. The gun world is the same as anywhere else again. Everything in derivative of something else. AR18 never catches on and is tweaked into something else. G36 happens and it's seen as the future and falls out of favor. The SCAR and ACR come and look very promising. The former being very close to replacing the M4, but was only considered to be "as good" and therefore not worth the cost of buying and training. And now there's the HK433. It'll be good. Maybe better in slight ways, but it's nothing new. Neat though. Hell, I might even get one if it's adopted and vetted enough.

>>32870615
I mean if you want to shovel your hard-begged autismbux into the money furnace that is (((HK))) be my guest. But there's nothing this does that an AR or AK won't do just as good or better for a fraction of the price.

>>32870572
>paddle mag release
>folding non-reciprocating charging handle like my l1a1
>adjustable gas
>those clean lines

Yes papa HK just fuck my shit up.

Already have enough 5.56 guns and it will be overpriced so not a chance in hell I'll buy it but looks neat.

>>32870679
But I already have two ARs and an AK. Plus I like my P2000 over my P226, G19, and 1911.

So why not?

>>32870736
Well you could wait a while and see if import laws get better and we can have semi-auto G3s
And if you love your P2000 you should upgrade your 1911 to a USP Tactical

>>32870572

>That moment when you get your hopes up for HK having another pass at a caseless rifle

Nope just left handed.

>>32870774
I'd rather trade in my Legion for a HK45ct than get rid of my 1911 2bh

>>32870632
Worse, it's a propreitary clone of keymod that faces the other way
It is not compatible with regular keymod pieces

>>32870572
Side charging handle
Piston Driven
Folding Stock
Paddle Mag release (Only thing that sucks)

Honestly it looks pretty cool.

>>32870572
looks good. If weren't so cheap I'd get one.

Interesting they went with the paddle release.

>>32870572
>a fucking ACR with HK logo slapped on it
>somehow the branding raise it's value and make it better

tactical was a mistake

>>32870822
Fair enough
Legion doesnt seem that much better than a regular P226
I shot one and it was nice, but not worth the price
I would get the full size tactical for maximum Solid Snake operatin

>All those people who think they could ever buy one of these
HK only sells to NATO-aligned democracies. Are you a NATO-aligned democracy? No, you're a civilian, probably a crazy nut too for wanting to own a military grade rifle. Only trained professionals can be trusted to operate HK(tm) weaponry.

>>32870841
>it's exactly like every other tacticool AR-18 that never took off
>omg so cool lol xDDDDD
Do tacti-tards have the memory span of a goldfish or something?

>>32870572
if you put a g36 rail on it it might be similar

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>>32870831
The absolute fucking madmen

>>32870572
looks like the ACR's German cousin

>>32870572
>probably never available to civilians
But the G36 is technically available to civilians.

>>32871399
>a neutered, shitty version
>it's basically unobtainium anyway
Uh-huh

>>32870572
We're really starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel here for tactical rifle innovations aren't we? At least until something really revolutionary happens in small arms tehcnology.

HK must have heard that the ACR may finally get .300 blk conversion barrels and pushed this out as soon as they could.

>>32870831
>>32871363
HK uses keymod, only american made hk guns have the proprietary shit, specifically the us mr556s. If you actually owned a keymod raio you would see that they are the same

>>32871420
it's still available, no matter how few or expensive they are.

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>>32871522
You're an idiot. Look at the picture, the proportions are obviously off. The key slot is too narrow in diameter in comparison to the hole, and the spacing is wrong.

>>32871630
Oh yeah, the way a Ferrari Enzo is available just like a Honda civic. Except in this case, the expensive and unobtainium version is shittier than the cheap and plentiful one.

>>32870572
I like it. The AR charging handle is retarded, less ergonomic and causes gas to bleed directly into your nostrils.
The stock looks comfy too.

>>32871630
you mean this
http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/sport/rifles/hk243/hk243-s-tar/overview.html
or that thumbhole stock bs?

>>32871663
I wonder what the receivers are made of. I know the SCAR has a 6061 upper which is not as durable but is cheaper to extrude and produce, but will the HK also have a polymer lower to reduce weight?

>>32871420
>a neutered, shitty version
Other than not being select fire how is the HK243 neutered? Oh right, you didn't even know that existed because you're a fucking moron.

>>32871698
maybe he meant the sl6 the one with shit mags and a thumbhole stock

>ITT: It's not another AR-15 clone so it sucks

>>32871726
>tfw too intelligent to like what's proven and popular

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>>32871698
No I knew they existed, but literally the only point of owning a piece of junk like the G36 is to say you own a G36. And every 243 I've seen doesn't have original G36 furniture, it has the ugliest stock ever devised by mankind instead. Just looking at it makes me wanna puke.

Cry more, HK fuckboi

>>32871726
>it's another plastic AR-18 clone so it's the mostest tacticalist and bestest rifle ever

>removing the perfect mag release on the AR for le paddle fucking garbage

lmao, dropped

why would you use this over a hk416

>>32871748
>And every 243 I've seen doesn't have original G36 furniture
Good for you, faggot. Buy the S-SAR if you don't like it, god knows I don't.

>>32871749
Why would you use an HK rifle period? They're all overpriced, gimmicky and rely on name recognition and brainless fanboys to sell at all.

>>32871749
Because plastic, so cheaper.

416 is too expensive for the nazi army so HK made them a plastic gun.

>>32871753
>Buy the S-SAR
>MSRP is $2700
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


No.

>>32871778
So then don't buy anything, what the fuck is your point?

>>32871749
>>32870852
>>32870841
>>32870724
button mag release on the right hand side, ops oic is from left, see the bar, an inch up on the magwell?

>>32871760
to trigger poorfags and people that get asshurt by other people's purchases. Why else?

>>32871805
>doesn't want to spend nearly 3 grand on a rifle so shitty the German government had hearings about it
>hurr don't buy anything then xDDD

No, I'll spend $1k on a good AR, and save the other $1.7k for kickass optics and accessories, or for the next Rock Island/Julia auction.

>>32871831
Wow the relevance is impossible to see.

If 2500 is a lot of money it's time to rethink your life choices. 2500 fits many toy budgets. Many people spend three or four times that on a hotrodded engine for their car or truck.

>>32871746
>AR
>proven
laughinggrills.jpg

>>32871851
The difference is that on an engine, that extra money actually translates to better performance. This gun won't perform any better than a gun that's a 3rd of the price. Especially when if you spent that $2.5k on an AR build, you could have a match-grade barrel, incredible trigger, high-end optics and probably still save a couple hundred bucks. Throwing money away is stupid no matter how much you have. That's rapper/lottery winner behavior. A smart capitalist makes smart investments and maximizes the benefit he gets for his money.

>>32871864
>"just pretending to be retarded"
>"also I'm 12"

>>32871894
>That's rapper/lottery winner behavior.
This. If you buy a gun purely for the brand name, you're no better than the niggers who get a single record deal and buy gold DEagles and 5,000 dollar white t-shirts

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So when faxon makes the arak it's vaporware, but when HK does it its revolutionary?

>>32872392
So Stoner makes Ar18 it's valorware but HK makes G36 and HK416 it's space guns?

>>32870572

>implying almost every rifle doesn't have some advantage over an AR
It's a horrendously outdated firearm.

>>32872392
The ARAK is a stupid piece of shit.

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>>32870572
wow another overpriced 5.56. you shouldn't have, hk. it's not like we wanted lower mark 23 prices instead or anything.

>>32872426
Pretty much proving HK doesn't event the wheel, they just make better wheels

>>32872454
""""Advantages"""" like folding stocks and reciprocating charging handles? WOW.

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>>32871748
>243 I've seen doesn't have original G36 furniture, it has the ugliest stock ever devised by mankind instead.

It's the new stock derived from the IDZ program iirc. All new G36s have it

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>>32872489
I disagree

>>32872454
This.

Just because replacing it would be more expensive than its probably worth doesn't negate the issues the AR has.

I couldn't imagine a worse charging handle than what the AR uses. Direct impingement sucks, and buffer tubes are stupid.

>>32872519
direct impingement is perfectly fine you sperg. and it's lighter. just git gud and don't be a fud and clean your gun.

>>32872516
Good for you, doesn't make it any less of an abortion piston AR.

>>32872519
AR isn't DI and there's absolutely nothing wrong with the AR's gas system.

>>32872543
But how is it any different from HK's piston abortion? It even has the same forward non-reciprocating charging handle.

>>32872556

>AR isn't DI
kek
Just because stoner made up a new name so he could patent it, doesn't make it a new system

>>32872543
>this retarded
It's not an AR. It only shares the lower.

>>32872596
It's not, please learn what DI actually looks like.

>>32872454
>>implying almost every rifle doesn't have some advantage over an AR
>It's a horrendously outdated firearm.


finally someone says it
here are so many AR fanboys it hurts

>>32872556
>AR isn't DI and there's absolutely nothing wrong with the AR's gas system.

it jams so there is something wrong with it

>>32872622
>it jams so there is something wrong with it
Oh it's you again.

>>32872497
>(((HK)))
>Lower prices on anything

>>32872499
>Pretty much proving HK doesn't invent the wheel, they just make more expensive wheels
FTFY

>>32872622
You have to be 18 to post on 4chan anon

>>32872514
wo haste das bild her?

G36 A3 ist die geilste knarre aller zeiten

>>32872615

>It's not, please learn what DI actually looks like.

t. someone who's never looked at another DI rifle, but just assumed what he heard from /k/ is true.
All DI rifles work exactly like an AR.

>>32872540
>It's lighter
Marginally

>Just clean your gun
Or I could buy a gun that doesn't need to be cleaned as often.

>>32872622
I bet you like AKs.

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>>32872516
>$200 PSA lower
>$1,200 shitty ARAK upper

>>32872697
How much you spend on your stripped lower?

>>32872697
why you you pay more for something that is exactly the same as anything thing else, no quality differences or tolerance changes? Idk about you but a rollmark is not worth extra money.

>>32872454
>It's a horrendously outdated firearm.
Firearms technology hasn't fundamentally changed since the '40s outside of accessories and materials.

>>32872519
>I couldn't imagine a worse charging handle than what the AR uses
Good thing you almost never have to use it, and if you really don't like it, there's side-charging uppers available.

>Direct impingement sucks
It's simpler, lighter and works perfectly fine. The lol ar is jamamatic meme is historical ignorance repeated by hacks on TV shows who aren't actually experts. Every piece of military equipment has teething problems when it first enters service, and with the AR as with everything else, they are quickly ironed out and fixed. Almost all of the problems stem from Colt lying to the US Army about the rifle being "self cleaning", combined with a last minute change in powder which the rifles were not designed for. The problem was, there were so many people in the Army desperate to defend the obsolete and shitty M14 out of blind traditionalism that they exaggerated every problem the M16 had, and the press ate it up because a scandal sells.

>buffer tubes are stupid.
The straight-line design of the AR and it's buffer system allow it to have minimal felt recoil and almost no muzzle rise. It's the reason ARs dominate competition, and it reduces training time in a military application, avoiding the development of bad habits like flinching and allowing soldiers to focus on the fundamentals of marksmanship instead of recoil control.

>>32872596
t. noguns

>>32872660
No. All other DI rifles (AG/42b, that frog thing who's name escapes me atm, etc.) simply have a gas cup on the face of the bolt which the gas pushes (or impinges) on directly to force the bolt rearward. The AR pipes gas through a gas key into the bolt body, where the rear section of the bolt acts as a piston (which is why it has gas rings on it) to unlock the rifle, with the gas then being vented out the two holes in the side of the bolt.

>>32870572
>Rifle has clear advantages over an AR
>B-but it doesn't have a REAL advantage over an AR, it just does away with some MINOR inconveniences like lack of ability to swap barrels, the inability to fold the stock for storage, or the gun literally not working dirty, in certain weather conditions, or without lube

Yeah let's never make any improvements ever. Even thought they're copying FN it's still a better gun. You're just mad you're a poorfag that can't afford guns like this or the SCAR, yet you know damn well when that modular AR killer that Radom is making comes out you're going to jump on it.

>>32872696
not more than ARs

>>32870572
If this had a HK416 stock this would look fucking dope.

If they ever did offer it to civilians
>laughing HK execs
I'd buy the SHIT out of that

>>32870632
Why do people shart on keymod?

I like it.

Haven't tried mlok yet though.
protip: it's because im not a poorfag

>>32872782

>All other DI rifles (AG/42b, that frog thing who's name escapes me atm, etc.) simply have a gas cup on the face of the bolt which the gas pushes (or impinges) on directly to force the bolt rearward.

Dude go look at a diagram before you post shit like this.
You're just embarrassing yourself.

>>32872829
I personally hate how it looks. I would literally take the extra weight of a quadrail for the sake of aesthetics.

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>>32872794
>Rifle has clear advantages over an AR
It has two advantages over an AR; a folding stock, and a side charging handle. The first is negligible, and the second can be corrected using a side-charging upper if that's your thing. Personally, I've never had to use the charging handle on an AR except when chambering the first round of a shooting session, or when maintaining it, so I don't bother.

>it just does away with some MINOR inconveniences
Exactly, minor (I would say irrelevant) inconveniences.

>lack of ability to swap barrels
Not a problem in a military context. If the barrel needs replacing, it's going to be done by a field armorer, who has all the tools and time he needs to replace the barrel without the need for a quick swap system. Quick change barrels are a meme for anything but machineguns.

>inability to fold the stock for storage
You can collapse the stock instead, and that's the definition of a minor inconvenience.

>the gun literally not working dirty
Objectively not true. ARs are actually more resistant to dirt and mud than AKs.

>in certain weather conditions
You mean arctic temperatures that would cause almost any semi-auto to seize?

>without lube
What makes you think this new AR-18 knockoff won't need lube?

None of these tiny, tiny issues justify the rifle costing three times as much. You're an idiot who doesn't understand basic economics.

>you know damn well when that modular AR killer that Radom is making comes out you're going to jump on it.
Oh so you're just trolling then.

>>32872854
Oh you mean like this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnvAwyT0iek

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>>32872854
>>32872909
Or this one?

Get rekt, noguns kiddo

>>32872909
look at
>>32872920
Do you understand how the bolt even works?

>>32872946
>Do you understand how the bolt even works?
Yes, it's a tilting bolt that is moved up and down by the lateral motion of the bolt carrier, not a rotating bolt that is actuated by gas pressure *inside* the bolt carrier.

>>32872909
>Ability to quick change barrels is irrelevant in a military capacity
>You can just switch to a side charging upper if you don't like the factory charging handle

Pick one. You can't judge it on different standards just to fit your argument. If a quick swap barrel is irrelevant for military use, than there is no way in hell you are going to swap out your issued upper for a side charging one.

It also doesn't matter if you barely use the ARs charging handle. You still have to use it, and when you do have to use it it's a pain in the ass. It also necessitates a forward assist, which is also a barely used feature that wouldn't even be necessary in the first place if the charging mechanism wasn't garbage.

In my opinion, the charging handle is the Achilles Heel of the AR in terms of ergonomics, but the inability to use a folding stock takes a close second. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the ergonomic improvements warrant the pricetag of the new rifle, but they ARE improvements over the AR.

>>32873014

The gas blows through a gas tube into the bolt carrier, causing the bolt to unlock and travel backwards.
The only difference between that and the AR is the method of locking, and the fact that the AR vents some gas out the carrier.
They both blow gas out of a gas tube directly into the bolt carrier.
They are both direct impingement.
Stoner just couldn't patent something that had already been invented.

>>32873032
>Pick one.
Don't have to. Buying and issuing off-the-shelf side-charging uppers to be replaced by field armorers would be vastly cheaper than adopting an entirely new rifle. Still not worth it, but cheaper nonetheless.

Quick-change barrels are also a meme in a civilian context. Just swap uppers if you wanna change calibers at the range. Otherwise, you have the tools and the time just like an armorer does.

Either way you have no argument.

>It also doesn't matter if you barely use the ARs charging handle. You still have to use it, and when you do have to use it it's a pain in the ass.
You're either grossly exaggerating, incredibly lazy, or have never used an AR.

>It also necessitates a forward assist, which is also a barely used feature that wouldn't even be necessary in the first place if the charging mechanism wasn't garbage.
This is a feature of ALL non-reciprocating charging handles. Which, guess what, is something this new HK rifle has. You're just further proving you don't know what you're talking about.

>In my opinion
This is the key term here.

>they ARE improvements over the AR
The only relevant improvement is the folding stock. Which, you can get folding stocks for ARs, you just can't fire them with the stock folded. But you specifically mention the folding stock being for storage, so that's not a problem by your own admission.

>>32873063
>The only difference between that and the AR is the method of locking, and the fact that the AR vents some gas out the carrier.
These are important differences, and the fact that you can't grasp that speaks volumes.

>They both blow gas out of a gas tube directly into the bolt carrier.
No. The AR blows gas into the bolt carrier. The Ljungman and MAS-49 blow gas *onto* the bolt carrier.

>the fact that the AR vents some gas out the carrier.
This is a relevant detail; it directs gas away from the moving parts that aren't designed to handle gas, and helps to clear debris out of the ejection port.

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>>32870572
>G3 type bolt handle and cocking
H&K slap makes it better than the 416.

>>32873255
Looking at the photos, it doesn't seem it have a notch cut to lock handle upward

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>>32871748
The S SAR model comes with the original furniture
You would have known if you spent 3 seconds to actually google it

>>32873255
No it has last round bolt hold open, so the slap is not necessary

>>32872794
Not him but, SCAR is not better. Sorry. It has it's own problems.

>>32873409
Man I really want one of those.

>>32871663
Spacing is the same. The slots are just shorter.

I assume it's to put more material between slots and make the hand-guard more durable

>>32873780
Even if that's true, it's still proprietary and therefore stupid

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>>32870572

MSBS halo combat evolved assault rifle master race when?

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>>32873889

>>32873856
>it's still proprietary
How do you know?

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>>32870572

>>32873915
Because it's H&K. This is what they do.

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>>32873899

>>32873980
> you done fucked up son
> this is xcom
> now he knows you're there, that stone obelisk is gonna disappear
> shortly followed by yourself
> either that or get ready for the buttrape grenade

Isn't that a rifle developed for a potential German Military contract, because the HK416 is expensive as fuck?

>>32874164
Yes, that's HK's fallback plan after the German's batshit fucktarded defense minister torpedoed the G36 with false accusations.

>>32874164
less that the 416 is more expensive on a per unit basis, but more because it has a short service life before it beats itself apart
but during that short life, it's pretty great

>>32874164
>germany
>caring about cost

If none of you autismos like the Skeli X11 you're wrong.

It's literally everything this board wants.

>modern AR18
>uses FCG of AR15
>MLOK
>QC barrel
>not FN or """freedom group""", meaning available at a special needs facility near u
>also skinny, availability may be better than MSBS if it does end up here

name one reason other than "muh hk" that it isn't a good looking and decent rifle for the price.

>>32874201
Well, the military is a bit underfunded in germany AFAIK.
Still, they should have enough money.

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>>32874222

>pic related

>>32874201
But they do now.

>>32874194
Yeah, that was fucking stupid. I don't think that has anything to do with the new contract-competition though.
>>32874196
Huh. Why is that?

>>32874244
Thank you mr Skellington.

this most important point this: what does NutnFancy think?

>>32874252
The adjustable gas system likes to beat up on itself. Near the end of it's life (I'm told, never seen it) bolt lugs tend to shear.
When maintained they are very good rifles.

>>32874341
Well, that sucks.
Yeah, I heard of that. Apparently extremely reliable.

>>32874222
lmao fuck off Skeli.
>horribly exposed oprod
>that open barrel attachment
>fuck huge gap in the ejection port that dumps on the magazine being fed
spend less on crack and get some engineers that aren't nigger/women diversity hires

>>32871748
>>32873409

Those aren't even available in the US, right?

>>32874391
HK293 was the US version, but it hasn't gone anywhere towards being released in years.

>>32870614
>keymod
>legitimate
kys

>>32871894

This.

Its the difference between a 400 dollar short block from the junkyard that with minimal work might produce 300 horses, or a 15000 dollar that comes ready to bolt into the car and pushes 500+ on pump gas.

>>32873915
You said it yourself. The slots are shorter.

>>32870572
Hey Johann.
Nice AR, would mind get 50% discount for that?

>>32874810
That doesn't make something proprietary.

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>>32874194
> g-36 crashed
> with no survivors

>32874244
looks like autism

>>32870572
Does it melt?

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>>32872829
because its design is a misappropriation from homedepot bix box store shelving

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>>32872893

>>32870572
Why dos that mag look weird?

>>32875073
It's the same
>It's the same
It's different
>It's the same

>>32871851
>/k/ makes another shitty car analogy because they're fucking retarded

I wouldn't expect anything less

As a SCAR owner, I would buy this.
Especially since inevitably someone will come out with aftermarket handguards without a retarded as shit full length 1913 rail on the bottom.

Though im not really down with the mag release.

The buis are not even integrated pop ups.

>>32875073
Did your mom feed you an exclusive diet of paint chips or something?

>>32875478
>not pop up
literally who cares

>>32875456
>As a SCAR owner, I would buy this.
Well yeah, you'd buy a gilded turd if someone told you le teir 1 oeprators used it.

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>>32875500
Im an FN fan boy, I have drunk from the blue cool-aid and it is good.
I find satisfaction in HK making a clone. Though they probably will find a way of making it with a reduced magazine capacity, they already have an abortion of a proprietary attachment system on it that needs the aftermarket to correct.

>>32870663
HK has some god-tier PR and lobbying. I guarantee you no matter how bad or mediocre this gun is it will see use and popularity just because it's made by the Teutonic gun merchants.

>>32875393
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
>>32875483
Did your mom hit you over the head with a dictionary instead of letting you read it?

>>32875862
Evidently not, because I know what proprietary means and you clearly don't.

>>32875888
Does HK have a patent on the reverse shelfmod?

>>32875919
Oh, you're splitting semantic hairs like an autist when it's obvious what was meant. Gotcha.

>>32875888
Evidently you don't. There is no way to know if it is proprietary unless HK says so publicly, you find the patent documents, or you copy it and get a cease and desist letter. Things like this tend not to be proprietary. Why? Because you want people to make stuff for your attachment system and they aren't going to pay you a royalty to do so and if it's royalty free there's really no point in patenting it.

>>32875919
Im genuinely asking, not trying to troll

>>32875943
See >>32875929

>>32875993
>you know what I meant
Yea, nah, eat a dick. Just admit you didn't know what the word meant.

>>32876010
Proprietary is commonly used outside of its legal definition to refer to special snowflake interfaces and systems used only by one company that aren't compatible with a major market standard, and you know it. You're either trolling, or buttblasted because someone proved your pwecious HK notSCAR uses an incompatible snowflake attachment system instead of the standard.

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>>32870572
Where can I find out more about this thing?

>>32876033
>Proprietary is commonly used outside of its legal definition to refer to special snowflake interfaces and systems used only by one company that aren't compatible with a major market standard, and you know it.
I do know people do that, doesn't stop it from being wrong. It's basically a buzzword used to whine whenever someone doesn't use some shit standard at this point.
>You're either trolling, or buttblasted because someone proved your pwecious HK notSCAR uses an incompatible snowflake attachment system instead of the standard.
I don't care about this thing.

>>32876060
>boohoohoo not everyone is as autistic as me
>standards are shit
I bet you use Apple products.

>>32876090
>boohoohoo not everyone is as autistic as me
Using words per their definitions is autism? Jesus, did they even have English classes in your backwoods high school? It's not even like this is slang, it's just people straight up not knowing what a word really means.
>standards are shit
Plenty are, and you know it.
>I bet you use Apple products.
Not since they ditched PowerPC, but that's pretty irrelevant, huh?

>>32876113
>Using words per their definitions is autism?
Language is pretty much the only thing that is actually a social construct. Well, that and money. Words are just animal noises that mean whatever people within a certain group generally agree they mean. But yes, demanding that people treat the dictionary like a bible when it's commonly understood what is meant is very autistic.

>It's not even like this is slang, it's just people straight up not knowing what a word really means.
They're using it to mean what it means in practice, rather than as a technical, legal term. You're just buttblasted because social ques like that are hard for you.

>Plenty are, and you know it.
As long as it works reliably, I'll take compatibility over optimization. And M-LOK isn't a shit standard, it's a pretty good one. Heck, this HK system is *more* shit than any of the standards because the spacing is wider, so you have less location and size options available.

>Not since they ditched PowerPC, but that's pretty irrelevant, huh?
I mean if anything that makes it worse. Unless you have a legitimate reason like working in music production. Still autistic af though.

>>32875943
>you want people to make stuff for your attachment system
I don't think you understand how (((HK))) operates anon.

They don't want anyone but them to make stuff for their system, because you suck, and they hate you. Also they can charge you through the nose for it that way.

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>>32876060
>I don't care about this thing.

>I don't care about the topic of the thread
>I'm just here to correct people's English

>>32872696
>he calls the AR is an outdated firearm
>say he likes an even more outdated system
???

>>32874194
>False accusations

Nah nigga the German military did legitimate trials and tests and found that the rifle has issues with losing its accuracy in hot environments and it has tendency to melt under sustained fire

>>32876495
Ursula, pls

>>32876650
HK fantard, pls

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>>32870572
If they released an official xm8 in the US it would be sold out for years.

Instead they shit all over us

>>32877291
>If they released an official xm8 in the US it would be sold out for years.
See, I know if they did they'd charge like $3k for it. And I really wish that would make you wrong. But no, there are enough idiots who would accept that kind of price gouging. And of course they'd pull the old KelTec trick of making shit artificially rare.

>>32874194
>>32876650
Take a look at the G36. Then check the thermal conductivity of aluminium and nylon. No matter wether it melts or wether someone exaggerated the problem, it can't deal with heat as well as other rifles.

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>>32870572
Why? Why did they make it? Why was it needed?
>hey our 416/417/m27 platform is extremely popular and werks
>lets make an ACR clone!
I'm actually surprised it isn't in a meme cartridge. HK shills will defend this

>>32877572
This. The G36's problems are the result of being an early adopter of polymer construction. Modern polymers are much more durable.

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>>32870909
You wanna know how I know you're wrong?

>>32877610
>he's too new to recognize an obvious copypasta
Out! Out! Out!

>>32877620
I definitely don't browse everyday, how old is the pasta m8?

>>32877655
It's been around since at least the whole "backwards magazine" debacle.

>>32870572
> zero input self triggering
the no guns get funnier by the minute

I like it. yeah, it's nothing revolutionary. haters gonna hate.

>>32877683
>anyone who doesn't suck HK's dick is a noguns
Such salty, salty tears.

the fox and the grapes, the thread

>>32877857
>fox and grapes a non-civilian rifle
no compromise

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>>32873899
the MSBS bullpup look really nice
too bad it is a flop

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I found some rare prototype images of the completely new and original HK rifle.

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They even made it in OD.

>>32870604
Boner/10. Would buy.

>>32873383
>>32873419
Into the trash.

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>>32870572

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>>32877578
>Why? Why did they make it? Why was it needed?

Cuz ze germanz do not want to spend the money required to re-outfit their army with a rifle as expensive as the HK416.
So they made the HK433 to stand a chance.

I would find it hilarious if FN was able to undercut HK by making a further cheapened version of the FNAC. I doubt FN can, and I doubt ze germanz would buy belgian anyway even if FN could undercut HK.

>>32877598
>This. The G36's problems are the result of being an early adopter of polymer construction. Modern polymers are much more durable.

If the trunion mounting was properly designed, it would not have been an issue, even with that polymer type.

>>32876041
https://www.qssupplies.co.uk/new_qs_design.html

mmmmmh

>>32878139
>If the trunion mounting was properly designed
HK has been run by marketing guys instead of engineers for decades now. Unsurprising.

>>32870572
Does it have an 18" barrel?

If not, it's shit.

>>32878030
just needs to be in 6.5 now and we can make Arma 3 a reality.

Next stop, the shiny new A-164 Wipeout.

>>32871522
>>32873780
HK433 pamphlet states "HKey"

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>>32871363

>>32872556
There are many thing wrong with bolt and bolt carrier group of AR. Mostly they are very small and brittle also action phases are too short and fast. Magazine design is failure.
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?62889-SCAR-vs-AR-A-detailed-look
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/29/6-reasons-ak-47-reliable-rifle-world-guide-kalashnikovs-magic-aspiring-gun-designers-part/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/30/6-reasons-ak-47-reliable-rifle-world-guide-kalashnikovs-magic-aspiring-gun-designers-part-ii/

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>>32877572
>>32876495
read the final report about the G36 and learn that you are basically fucking stupid

https://www.bmvg.de/resource/resource/MzEzNTM4MmUzMzMyMmUzMTM1MzMyZTM2MzEzMDMwMzAzMDMwMzAzMDY5Mzk2ZDY2NmU2OTc5MzcyMDIwMjAyMDIw/Abschlussbericht%20-%20Vorwort.pdf

>>32877578
>hey our 416/417/m27 platform is extremely popular and werks
The 416 has a short service life like any external piston AR-15. Made worse when short and suppressed.

the German military asked for a modular caliber exchange cheap rifle. the 416 meets none of those requirements.
>inb4 t. your ass
lmao plenty of experience

>>32878482
>The 416 has a short service life like any external piston AR-15. Made worse when short and suppressed.
citation needed

the barrel and bolt has a better mtbf than both FN m4s and diemaco c8s. as seen in the norwegian trials, and in the maintenance documentation of the guns

>>32878497
>citation needed
personal experience with it dating back to when hk got sued for calling it an M4. there's a reason the MK18 was made.

>>32873899
Is it just me or does it look like it'd be really awkward to to fire that under barrel?

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>>32872829
You're entitled to your opinion anon, but mostly people think it looks like shit. Every time I see it I am reminded of >>32875334
Like making a handgaurd out of a metal shelf support.

>Does it work?
Yes, it's functional, so it comes down to opinion and aesthetics

>>32872909
>side charging handle
>limit side accessory mount options
>hand catches on blocky sight mounts
>additional hole for mud and dust ingress into moving parts
Side charging handle is more convenient to operate but it comes with price. It is not clear advantage but choice of one quality over other.

>>32870572
desu, the only thing I like about this is the charging handle. Not the biggest fan of the keymod, least they could've gone for M-lok. Folding stock is nice, even tho I will always be a sucker for magpul stocks.
Also hope they add in the features that hk416a5 had, full ambi, good lock, selector and mag button on both sides, that aren't easy to bump release.
Looks like ACR and 416 had a child, which I dont mind. Will probably be on the civilian market, but I bet it will take time, sadly

>>32878596
you more or less need one side rail for a light

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>>32877572
>>32876495
fucking hell there are always niggers like you ALWAYS.

The german are making the finest weapons/machines/tech since day 1 and you keep bashing it.

The g36 is by far the most reliable Assault rifle ive ever used. The false accusations started because some faggots from a unit in the bundeswehr used fucked up/wrong ammo with it. Then the media hyped it (it was pushed to kick the ministre of defence). Then the stupid cunt ursula jumped on it too and tried to gain political capital out of it.
and now we are where we are. THANKS URSULA, YOU DAMAGED THE MADE IN GERMANY MORE THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE BY USING AND PUSHING THIS STUPID MEME.

and then we got these AR/AK fanboys on /k/.
Listen you fuckheads, ive shot this rifle so fucking much SO FUCKING MUCH. ive had red barrels, smoking handguards and melting snow around my fire position due to the excessive use of my beloved g36.
and i never experienced a loss of accuracy. NEVER.
try it for yourself, or if you cant because you cant find a g36 in the pile of AR/AK rifles in your cave, watch some youtube videos of people who are making some tests with it. the result is the same: the g36 does not fail.

you fucking idiots jump on this political forced, media pushed meme like rapefugees on a bus to sweden, while ignoring the horrible flaws your favourite rifle has: the AR
since the day the US Army bought that thing its facing troubles. Vietjamjamjam and shit.
Ive never ever had one single jam with my g36 no doublefeed, no failure to extract, no failure to eject. nothing. in fact the AR does have these problems. the occure so often its even trained in the shooting drills, to look that the bolt closed correct. COME ON.
The US even wanted to replace the m4/m16 and the best test weapon was: the german XM8 a modified g36.

So bubba and cleetus stop bashing a gun you dont even understand/own/use and face it: the germans make better weapons than you, stop to bash them just to feel better.

>>32878635
cont.

the US military wanted to take the XM8. because it came out with the best results, then some lobbyists lost their shit and cried: BUT MUH TRAINING AND DRILLS WITH NEW WEAPON WONT WORK.
so H&K came up with the HK416.
then the lobbyists lost their shit again and cried: ITS UNFAIR TO EQUIP US FORCES WITH A NOT-US GUN.
and they went to court.
then the US military cancelled the whole new gun thing due too much cost yaddayadda.

the us military will get a new weapon and it will be a US-MADE-GUN. because of trumps politic.

>>32878648
did hk make the 416 because they where looking for the missing link between their MP5 and G3, and also Delta wanted an SBR?

>>32876979
>implying

Not even an HK whore, but if you don't think these "accuracy testament" that involve magdumping a combat load and engaging point targets at 300m is sham, you might be a retard. Furthermore, the plastic shitty trunion is something the MoD or whatever they were calling themselves at the time asked for, in order to reduce PPU. Reunification was a thing the amount of soldiers they had to equip practically doubled over night. The original proposal by HK had an aluminum one


Tl;dr: the issue (which is largely the fault of MoD attempt at cost savings) has been grossly inflated and has been used by Ursula von der Leyen as a means to boost her career and prove that's she's semi competent

>>32872782
>The lol ar is jamamatic meme is historical ignorance repeated by hacks on TV shows who aren't actually experts

so what your saying is it takes an expert to properly operate a ar?
isnt that the opposite of what you want when building a gun

>>32878648
>>32878673
The 416 was developed because Delta wanted a piston driven AR that was short and wasn't overgassed af like the mk18 mod 0 that was being used at the time. It was submitted in the individual carbine program along with FN and LWRC offerings and it was decided that the addition of a short stroke piston wasn't enough of an improvement to warrant the costs (apparently they forgot about the results of the SCAR program)

There was never an issue with it not being made in the US because they are made in the US. USSOCOM's 416's and the Marines M27 are built in Georgia by HK USA.

>>32878673
there are many reasons why they made it. but i think the most logical were:
1. to be able to get the contract to equip the US military with a new service rifle
2. to sell more guns due to the big acceptance of the AR design

>>32878762
But 416 is overgassed.

>>32877598
G36 problem is been designed around cold war basic load of 6 mags.

>>32878596
>additional hole for mud and dust ingress into moving parts
yeees, since the ar-15 charging handle magically goes through a forcefield.
I'll give you that a reciprocating charging handle ak-style will have less ingress points, but then you loose the dustcover

>>32878762
>overgassed af like the mk18 mod 0 that was being used at the time
kek no! the mk18 was having extractor issues and once they got fix by the now standard crane o ring they went away. only a handful of teams got the 416 before it was fixed and they retain them for that reason.

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>>32878805
>I'll give you that a reciprocating charging handle ak-style will have less ingress points, but then you loose the dustcover

There are ways how you could fix that, look at the FNC or the Galil ACE. They both have partial springloaded dust covers. Add a second part that flips open AR15 style, and you're basically covered.

But I don't really see the point.

>>32878815
My bad, you're right. That's where LMT fixed it and started marketing their improved bolt, right?

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>>32878776
Germans love gassing stuff.

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>>32878805
Ar-15 handle moves through hole not slit. In closed position it fully blocks ingress and when operating dirty part will stays outside of weapon. In case of slit moving handle mud here would be dragged inside gun when handle is used.

>>32877291
>If they released an official xm8 in the US it would be sold out for years.
should come with an original and AR mag adapter though. but HK is a lazy, government welfare "company" - they don't care because they don't work with the free market really.

>>32878728
>The original proposal by HK had an aluminum one

aha, so in fact HK admit that the adopted solution is at least less the optimal? wow, your whole card house came down because of one crucial piece of intel. and yet, you are still defending the nylon trunnion... it doesn't matter that maybe the government fucked up the rifle by wanting nylon and that HK may ahve known better, what matters is that the G36 is, was and will remain shit. Starting with the trunnion and ending with the optic.

t. Österreicher

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>>32879211
>>32879281

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>>32878805
>yeees, since the ar-15 charging handle magically goes through a forcefield.

the AR charging handle certainly is more sealed than any other charging system atm. pic in >32878984 should make it clear to anyone that should sediment mud be applied to that cut, it will inadvertently but inevitably end up inside the gun. That's because it is exposed to the outside. The AR charging handle is not exposed to the outside but hidden from dirt inside of the gun.

>>32871746
proven to fail dust tests

>>32879281
>and ending with the optic.
There is nothing wrong with G36 optic. Better than american irons.

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>>32879348
>There is nothing wrong with G36 optic.

>>32879362
In age of irons it was great progress forward. Americans are stupidly backwards in that regard. Still doesn't have magnified optic as standard infantry sight. Even more funny that during ACR program they they rolled out M16 with x3.4 Elcan sight as "standard current military rifle" (really lol?) to sink ACR competitors but after didn't adopt that optic.

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>>32879428
>In age of irons it was great progress forward.

No it wasn't because it was cheap chinkshit tier and didn't hold zero.

>Americans are stupidly backwards in that regard.
>wtf is ACOG, the probably best optic there is for infantry

>Still doesn't have magnified optic as standard infantry sight.

lol

>Even more funny that during ACR program they they rolled out M16 with x3.4 Elcan sight as "standard current military rifle" (really lol?) to sink ACR competitors but after didn't adopt that optic.

lol

>>32879428
what are you talking about? A lot of Americans are issued Acog's

>>32879460
>>wtf is ACOG, the probably best optic there is for infantry
Thing that is not issued to every combat infantrymen. Standard issue for Army is M68 CCO.

>lol
>maybe if say "lol" it will make things less true

>>32870572

Tfw the rifle literally exists because the refugees made the HK416 too expensive.

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>>32879362
From your opinion I can tell you never saw one in real life
>3x scope
>reddot
>allows to switch between both quickly
>on every gun
>directly mounted on the frame
>nice reticle

>>32878635
Belgians make better weapons.

>>32879482
The Marines have enough acogs for every person in the Corps. The Army has like 3 different sights. Acog, m68, and eotechs although I haven't seen one in forever. Don't know about the Navy or Airforce, but they don't matter

>>32879493
You know the G36 was adopted instead of the G11 for the same reason right?

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The G36 optic was okay when it came out, but today there are better alternatives which are already used.

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>>32879499
Ach HK Vertreterschwuchtel, fick dick weg.

>>32879517
hol' up hol' up
so you tellin' me
*smacks lip*
there be more modern alternatives
*receives welfare check*
than before?
does the government know about this?

>>32879568
I'm just saying is stupid to compare old optics to modern optics.

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>>32879499
>nice reticle
>can swtich from a so so magnified optic to a "I can't see shit" red dot quickly

Sounds like quality

>>32879629
>be American have a..
oh right, nothing. Just iron sights

>>32879646
Actually I have a ton of magnified and actually good red dot optics.

The military uses a bevvy of different optics depending on which group your talking about.

>>32879661
dont bother, that is obviously a germshit. seeing how our european countries are desintegrating around us, all that's left for him to numb his pain and desperation is to come to this mongolian camel milking forum and sperg out about how great German plastishit rifles are. and knowing GER gun laws, I srsly doubt he even owns one....

>>32879281
Except no where in my argument am I defending the polyshit trunnion; I'm saying that the issue is largely inflated by the Minister of Defense, who is blaming HK for something that her own MoD asked for decades ago. Export G36's that the Spaniards and Latvian's use have aluminum ones have been working fine and without the claimed accuracy loss. For the record I think that a replacement to the G36 is warranted, more the sake of modernization rather than imaginary issues that Ursula is citing to boost her career

>t. Österreicher

Hardly relevant considering the Osterreicher Bundesheer are using the Stg77. It might more sense to finish a post with t. Österreicher if we were talking about barely relevant European countries,

>>32879646
I've got an ACOG in my safe. What amazes me is how shitty the straw FOV reddot and magnified optic is on the G36 despite coming out nearly the same timeframe as Trijicon.

>(((German Engineering)))

>>32879781
Are any EU militaries relevant?

>>32878760
No dipshit, they're not experts in gun history. Which would be obvious if you didn't have a brain with the consistency of a Swiss cheese.

>>32879646
Where did you get this meme that Americans don't use optics? Did your yuropoor education focus too much on how to get buttfucked by Muslims and feminists and not enough on how to Google shit? US issues a shitload of optics, primarily Trijicons and Aimpoints.

>>32879805
Is anything about the EU relevant? Other than that it's dying a slow and painful death?

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its too sexy

>>32879646
Shit, most people in basic qualify with ACOGs now. gtfo faggot.

>>32870572
>charging handle in the correct place
>folding stock
>adjustable comb
>can shoot suppressed without getting your eyes full of gas

I mean yeah most of this can be changed on an AR by getting Gucci parts but that's neither milspec nor stock and no military would use those parts

It struck me as pretty retarded. Its low on the list.

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>>32870572
> $2500

That's awfully optimistic. More like $6k+

Seems like every gun HK produces these days looks just... off aesthetically. Like they've been left in the oven too long and started to sag and melt.

>>32882707
nah dude this one is slick as fuck.

>>32882904
Well if someone puts mlok on it instead of reverse shelfmod.

>>32878635

>the germans make better weapons than you

They also lost both world wars and are currently being invaded by muslims.

Americans don't have to make weapons, you beg us to adopt yours for a reason.

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>>32870572
You know you want it OP. Quit being a fuckboi.

>>32881579
It's meant to be a cheaper alternative to the 416, so its probably around there

>>32882974
Why would I want a vastly overpriced gun using a proprietary attachment system that isn't better than cheaper alternatives on the market in any way?

>>32883017
because muh H&K.

>>32883017
because it looks operator as fuck why else?

Can I get some opinions about this upper, looking at buying it. http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-16-mid-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-13-5-m-lok-upper-with-bcg-ch-516444973.html

>>32883365
This isn't /arg/ buddy

>>32880285
m68 CCO, with a fixed front sight and flip up rear sight. We weren't taught how to even use the irons beyond the basic principle of aligning the sights, never even bothered to zero them and instead focused on the m68s.

>>32878527
>personal experience
literally
>t. your ass
fuck off, retard

>>32883017
Because your mum also has your dad

>>32878534
nope, grenade launcher is not something you just quickly reach over and fire

and not using the ballistic sight for it would be pretty shitty unless the target isnt more than about 100m away

> do you even really know how far the target is? are you using a laser rangefinder? this isnt a common thing as far as I know

>>32877902
flop? howso?
never heard AnYtHiNg bad about it at all

>>32883784
I'll take "broken english" for 800

>>32879552
>barrel extension molded into the plastic
>not expecting the fucking shit to melt and the whole thing to drift away in it's own liquid state