Debate against gun control

>>32866781
>> If the government banned all guns I'd be happy to hand them over

Does he actually have any guns to hand over?

Or is he just saying that he'd be happy for other people to have their property taken away because he doesn't have to deal with any of the consequences?

Also point him to countries that have major gang and drug problems like the US, namely gun-free utopias such as Mexico and Brazil, as well as the surely war-torn and totally chaotic Switzerland.

The lefty pro-gun angles are your best bet against someone vehemently anti.

>Marx/Soc/Com quotes insisting workers ought to be armed
>Racist mil/pol/gov have a monopoly on violence in nogunz states
>Guns are an equalizer for women, elderly, disabled

>>32866781
Compare the stats of Canada to CA.

CA is in America, but has stricter gun laws than Canada. This should show you what a strict gun control America would look like.

Protip: It's not the crime-free paradise liberals would predict.

>>32866815
I don't think he personally has guns but his family owns them and he shot/shoots extensively.

regarding drug and crime issues, I brought it up (namely the US and Mexico), but his argument was that the violent crime rate would still be lower if there were no guns

I really just need reliable statistics to prove my arguments

>>32866837
quoting leftist people and citing tyrannical governments would help, but I doubt anything less than hard cold statistics/studies are going to dissuade him

>>32866781
>“Self-defense can be an important crime deterrent,”says a new report by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). The $10 million study was commissioned by President Barack Obama as part of 23 executive orders he signed in January.

>“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,” the CDC study, entitled “Priorities For Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” states.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent

>>32866874
Show American cities/states with strict gun control vs ones without it.

>>32866906
he argues that burglaries/robberies go up in counties that have higher gun ownership rates

I argued that there are a lot of other factors that go into those statistics and that correlation doesn't equal causation, but I dont have statistics to back me up here.

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>>32866888
More of stuff like this

>>32866781

I have an entire playlist I compiled specifically for a research paper I did on this.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-U6nhiF3vXeNkB3XThjBhV8uXVHPef9n

>>32866874
>but his argument was that the violent crime rate would still be lower if there were no guns

violent crime would also be lower if there were no mexicans or blacks. is he a racist/sexist/misogynistic xenophobe?

>>32866923
>he argues that burglaries/robberies go up in counties that have higher gun ownership rates

Ask him to cite that.

>>32866956
the discussion was a spur of the moment thing, neither of us had any citations on hand

give me something I can use against that point

>>32866940
can't use any sexist/racist/xenophobic arguments

give me something about low income/ poor education/ gang violence/ illegal procurement of weapons and I can use that

>>32866965
>give me something I can use against that point

The actual statistics

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>>32866781

You should just punch your friend in the dick.

A surprisingly informative /k/ thread. I'm proud of you guys.

>>32866781
Look up some cdc and fbi case studies about guns. They reveal for that they do WAY more good than harm.

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>>32866781
I guess infographics are getting posted less often, you should have accumulated a small mountain by now.

>>32866781
>>32866781
Japan and Australia are islands, they can easily control their guns. We can't, due to our messy neighbors. Japan and Korea are also ethnically homogenous, so they have less crime. The US's statistics are skewed by inner city gang related crime. Take out the big cities and the US looks more like Europe.

As to your arguments, my emphasis with this is always that humans have a right to effective self defense. Most self defense weapons are "force amplifiers", which depend on the physical ability of the user, and so are useless to my 80 year old grandma if she's being mugged by an NFL linebacker. Pepper spray and tazers are deterrents, and are prone to failure. Is my mema not entitled to protect her life? The most important part of a right to self defense is that it applies regardless of who'se attacking you