.410 stopping power

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You should just use 5.56

>>32854367
whats is the purpose of 410 rubber buck load?

>>32854422
protestors

>>32854367

pretty sure you could easily kill someone with a .410 shotgun m8

Does anyone know if a magazine fed .410 exists ? I feel like a double stacked magazine of .410 in a semi-auto shotgun would actually be fucking radical.

>>32854475
Is it worth buying tho? The idea would be a very short and sleek shotgun, but it wouldn't be worth it if it couldn't kill someone in 1 shot at close range like a 12 or 20 gauge is likely to, or .357 if you use slugs.

>>32854475
actually, that would be dope. Could you convert a saiga into .410??

Out of what? If you're getting a revolver in .410 stop now. A 20 gauge is a much better choice of shotgun. You should not use 45LC intentionally for self defense unless you insist on carrying a vintage Winchester.

>>32854514

They already come in 410. There are also 15 round magazines.

Is it bad I kinda want a sawwed off 12 gauge o/u loaded with slugs as a jumbo derringer?

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>>32854528
How about an 11 inch barrel like one of those Leinads someone posted about yesterday? It isn't too different compared to an 18 inch, I agree .410 out of a 3 inch rifled barrel wouldn't do much.

>>32854543
Cobray/leinad makes them, they aren't as pretty as the sxs ones though

>>32854543
Everyone at Bond Arms did.

>>32854557
That would be a large improvement. The actual shell loading is important too. Is this a hypothetical or are you actively planning to use a .410 for a defensive weapon?

>>32854707
Ideally I would use the best defensive load out there, I'm guessing a few pellets of 00 buckshot with some birdshot, and yes I plan to actively use it for defense as either a truck or armpit gun.

>>32854475

I've always wanted a .410/.45LC AR-15

>>32854779
This guy completely changed my mind about .410 as a defensive gun:

https://www.youtube.com/user/ShootingTheBull410

TL;DR Just get the biggest buckshot you can and it will work. Though a regular handgun would be better.

>>32854822
That's true for revolvers too, a 9mm is probably the best self defense option for a lot of things but I'm looking at the Leinad as a backup

>>32854871
I seems like .410 with buck < 9mm in terms of revolvers. If only because of the multiple hits per trigger pull. though I wouldn't want to use it past standard self defense distances.

>>32854871
>>32854896
Also .410 derringers are cheap and a fraction of the cost of a 9mm so that's a plus.

>>32854932
get several duel wield them and rain hell upon your enemies.

>>32854949
Thanks I will

.410 close up will fuck someone up

it's like being shot with 3 .38 caliber ball rounds at once

>>32855238
>>32854822
Are there any videos/tests documenting the ballistics?

>>32854822
>>32855653
Good as it gets.

>>32854511

>wut are slugs?

becomes novel at that point because a rifle or pistol carbine is more practical

>watch hickok vid on the Judge
>prepared for it to be silly
>end up convinced the judge would fuck someone up with the right loads

>>32854367
Having fired a 4/10 shell from a Judge, if you are close enough and can aim in the general direction of your target, it can and will make a mess, but any farther than 50 feet, it's pretty much useless

>>32854367
Like most calibers, if you do your research and find out which loads perform well out of your barrel length, you can find loads viable in .410. Thats not to say its the best choice.

>>32854475
Akdal MKA 1919
Saiga briefly made a .410
One of the huebr companies made a mag fed .410.

They're all single stack though. Double stack mags dont play nice with rimmed rounds.

.410 has a 100 percent 1 shot stop value by recorded shootings

0000 buckshot is hitting someone with 3-4 .38s/9mm ball with one squeez

>>32854367
>that mixed size bb shot

Why isn't that the default? It's fucking efficient.

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>>32854367
I've got a little break action .410 that will shoot nice little groups of the PDX1 defender round at ~30yds. Too bad it's a single shot.

I do absolutely intend to keep a Governor with 4 PDX1 rounds and 2 .45 LC's on my nightstand one day.

>>32854475

There are mag-fed .410 semi-autos, makes a great first deer gun for children in thickly wooded places. Despite the tactical designs, the extra weight dampens felt recoil and the fast follow-up allows junior a chance to recover after a fuckup.

Good girlfriend guns, too.

>>32854367

Plenty. A good .410 slug carries roughly .357 Mag levels of energy IIRC.

As far as buck and such, I don't own a Judge but we had one when I was a kid, the penetration suffers a good bit. Out of a rifled barrel, you'd be surprised. My little sister occasionally gets a wild hair to go innawoods with me, and carries a Mossberg bolt action .410 loaded with the Federal handgun loads.

At worst, with 4BK, it's like shooting something with a roided .25 ACP several times.

>>32857566
Loads like that only really came about with the rise of .45LC/.410 revolvers so they're relatively new in the firearms world. Apparently they work very well for HD.

>>32857611

*rifle length

Sorry, just finished a PT test and am retarded.

>>32854367

I bought a Mossberg .410 for my wife to use as home defense as she's small and couldn't find a handgun she was willing to use. It has PDX rounds in it and she handles it well.

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I bought a Saiga .410 back in 2009 for ~650.

its a good gun but has feeding issues sometimes with the 10rd surefire mag.

biggest issue is there aren't as many parts available as the 12g and what is available is expensive.

I still have it in the sporter configuration since they got ban from import, i dont want to fuck with it.

if you get one, get a converted one.

generic pic, i don't like posting my firearms online

>>32855866
>double stack mags dont play nice with rimmed rounds
I'll take Lee-Enfields for 500, Alex.

>>32857611
>needing a girlfriend gun
If she can't handle the recoil from a full-power rifle round or a 12ga shotgun, teach her how. Don't buy a whole separate gun that needs a whole other round when it's easier, cheaper and probably safer to just get her used to teach her to handle recoil. She's an adult, she can do it.

>>32857744

I'm single, as of last week. The girl I'm looking at going for next is plenty capable of all guns.

I'm not gonna lie, a factor in me breaking up with the girl was that she can't shoot for shit.

>>32857715
>paid $650 back when Saiga 12's were $350-400
>admitting you got raped on /k/

>>32854367
If your gun can shoot .410 and .45lc, use .45lc for people and .410 for snake. More brass, more powder.

>>32855238
>>32855797
>>32855826
>>32857566
>>32857330
Where are you all getting this information? As far as I know, a .410 is pretty much garbage against anything but small game. Any bullet/shell can kill someone but you don't see people toting around .22s b/c they're more manageable. Why not just get a 20 gauge?

I have a 500e .410 full choke, is there anything I can't shoot out of it? I bought some 000 buck to test it out with but I don't wanna explode.

>>32857330
>0000 buckshot is hitting someone with 3-4 .38s/9mm ball with one squeez
Backed by the kinetic energy of a .45lc split 3-4 ways between them.

You niggers do realize that .410 from a revolver length barrel is worthless outside of point blank, right? I guess there are worse niches to fill, but good luck stopping someone from beyond five feet.

>>32854367
You can use just about anything at point blank.

>>32854422
De-eye people.

>>32858666
Someone hasn't kept up; several ammo manufacturers make handgun specific loads. Federal and Hornady both spring to mind as excellent choices. Hornady's loading is excellent, even out of a short barrel. And it is accurate, not just point blank.

Don't need luck, just need to know what the fuck I am doing and get the right ammo, dumbass.

>>32857566
Mixed size loads are the FUCKING WORST.
What is the point of those tiny fucking bbs in there with those big disks? They won't penetrate for shit, spread like a mad fucking cow, and don't do shit to a human target but make it angry and in pain (not the same as stopping them).

Mixed purpose loadings suck, and they suck especially hard in .410

It will work, but there are better options in even smaller packages.

Take a look and ask yourself what you think the advantages of having a shotgun round that small over something else?

Guys, what about 28 gauge?

>>32860272
Pretty sure that they don't make slugs or buckshot factory loads for it.

>>32858066

You're wrong.

>>32860146
Ideally to have a more concealable shotgun with less recoil

>>32857720
>5 rounds
>all 5 of them

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>>32858666

>good luck stopping someone from beyond five feet
.410 did this at 12 feet

>>32864039
That's a weird looking
>someone

>>32854475
ATI announced an AR-410 at shotshow. $599

>>32859995
>De-eye people
lel

>>32854787
The turks make some. They're designed for countries that don't allow semi-auto rifles.

>>32858503
Slugs won't have great accuracy, but they can be used. No issues on shot loads.

>>32854367
That's where my cheeto puffs went

>>32863528
10 actually

the follower design is pretty complex, but once you get it aligned right shit works well.

>>32867319
but the cartridges have a pretty severe taper, that's the only reason it works. soft points don't fare too well either.

>>32854367
I remember awhile back someone posted the exit wound from a guy who got shot in the chest with a .410 pdx load and lied that it was a RIP round for maximum overmeme.

The wound just ghastly and also amusingly symmetrical. Obviously the guy who got shot was dead, likely out before he even flopped to the deck.

Do people think a round that can push a similar weight slug to a .45-70 out with another few hundred feet per second is somehow a weak round?

>>32857744
>she's an adult, she can do it

Nice implications bro.

>>32854557
I love the idea of these leinad sxs, I think the idea of a pocket sized mad max gun is cool. I just wish they didn't feel like dollar store toys that Will explode after 5 rounds. Anyone here actually used one? Are they as crap as I think they are?

>>32855238
sure thats the size of the caliber but the weight of those balls and the penetration? thats whats important, they are not going to be traveling at 38spl speeds not even at 38 S&W speeds.

>>32868289
I've held the 4" barrel model, they're pretty actually solid and you can make them look nicer with a parts kit.

>tfw bad shoulders so 12ga hurts far too much to practice with or enjoy
>tfw have to shoot 20ga
>tfw nobody makes a good 20ga thats affordable for a poorfag
>tfw every time i go innagunstore and ask for 20ga's they look at me like i'm wearing a brady campaign shirt and a hillary hat
what do?

>>32864679
Cool! Ima get one!

>>32857572
Is that a Springfield?

>>32854475
watch chopper

>>32870371
I'd wait, proprietary mags and given how autistically specific they are about making sure all the rounds are exactly 2 1/2" shells tells me this thing probably has some cycling problems.
that, and it's already sold out.
all that said, I still fucking want one.

>>32857744
>implying women are adults.

>>32870367
Why do you care what other people think of you & your choice of ammo?

>>32870444
it always sucks when its at a range or in a gun store because it's somewhere where everyone is kinda the same and can all get along, and then I'm the fucking outcast.
call me a pussy but it kinda hurts.

>>32868304

>850 fps
>not .38 S&W speeds

You could knock off another 100 fps and still be at .38 S&W speeds and even older .38 Spl speeds within defensive distances.

C'mon, m8, you've got google.

>>32870367

First off, there's plenty of 20 gauge guns that are affordable.

Second, who gives a fuck? They can either take your money or eat shit and lose business.

>>32854367
Not if your on the receiving end

>>32870457
I don't talk to people at gun stores or the range because they're either old neo-cons, millennial dickheads, or niggers. Meet people through another hobby.

>>32860631
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/ammo-28-gauge-brenneke-usa-2-3-4-ounce-rifled-slug-5-8-ounce-1450-fps-5-round-box-4030128280127.do

Considering that .410 is, converted, about a 67 and a half gauge, >>32860272 is a perfectly legitimate question.

>>32870599
The same can be said about a .22. A shot from a .410 is basically shooting someone with a slightly beefed up .22 a few times. Not enough to stop someone. That's why you want a shotgun, to stop someone with one shot.

>>32870949

>you are now aware that .22lr alone achieves an almost 40% one-shot-stop rate

>Squirels

So when these fuckers are invading your camp. You can't find anything better than a 410. Especially if you find a lever action 410. Defense against what is the important question. You would probobly be better off with 45LC past 4 yards out of a pistol and again with a long gun at 15 yards

>>32870401
>making sure all the rounds are exactly 2 1/2" shells
disgusting

>>32872812
they said, and I quote; "Some manufacturers 2 1/2" shells are actually longer than 2 1/2" and may not operate in this gun. Please check the length of your 2 1/2" shells prior to attempting to fire them."
which I get, but I shouldn't have to take a ruler to my shells before I put them in the fucking gun.
if they're on the shelf as 2 1/2", then the gun should be able to fucking run them.