Pros and cons of joining the Air Force

>>32844068
Pros - You're in the Air Force.
Cons - You're in the Air Force.

Pros
>comfiest branch that can still call itself military
>get paid extra to live in Army quarters kind of comfy
>if you're smart and pick a job with certifications/ something that easily transfers into civilian world(working on planes, etc), very easy resume builder into a good job

Cons
>just like everywhere else, competency is a luxury
>you're still a slave to the govt, like it or not

And if you're really smart, you'll go in as an officer, not just enlist

>>32844068
>pros
>cushy, easy, won't die

>cons
>beauracracy and having to deal the barely coherent grunts and yells of marines that only know how to say "muh chairforce"

If you want to join the military but don't mind doing something boring as fuck just go USAF

Don't go into maintenance.

>>32844084
FPBP

>>32844361
Surely ALL jobs in the airforce cant be boring? What branch/jobs are more exciting? I get bored easily.

I work aircraft maintenance if you pick anything in maintenance it's a lot like /b/ everyone talks shit on each other. Also your always waisting time on age or others and most of all when your doing something that makes the job easier your fucked by quality assurance. But I love it

Also in maintenance if your a 3 level and your on swing shift your life will suck until late you know your shit so study up on cdcs and tech data but don't act like you know everything or it'll bite you in the ass

>>32844068
Con: Minot

>>32844721
Okay, I can't deal. I left 4chan for a bit and have no idea what FPBP mean, someone enlighten me please.

>>32845459
First Post Best Post.
Damn nigga made me spell it out

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Air Force is also increasingly full of fundie retards who spew shit about God while you're just trying to fill out fucking forms, and you can't tell him to fuck off because for some reason he's an officer flying the fucking desk

>>32844783
Marines would do you good. Maybe getting shot at will teach you the value of being able to sit on your ass 90% of the time.

>>32844783
Pararescue, Combat Controller.

Basically, "Special Forces for Smart People."

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>>32845230
>>32845241
What's your guy's airframe? Work on pic related

>>32845477
Thanks! I was without internet for a couple months. Fell out of the loop

>>32844068
Go Security Forces, best job ever

Yes security forces...It's pretty much badass

>>32845493
Not one of those guys but I'm on the 52's

>>32844578
This.

Former F15/22 crew chief reporting in. QA will steal your soul.

>>32845700
>>32845728
Nonononononono


Do NOT go security forces.

>>32845700
awful B8

Security Forces is where the air force sends the dumbest of the dumb. Only about 1/1000 are mentally competent enough to tie their shoes, the rest are stealing oxygen. They love to claim how they are the "infantry of the air force" yet all they do is guard airplanes and check ID's at chow halls. It's the only MP job in the DoD where you can be retarded. Stay away from that job as if your life depends on it, unless you have autism and want to be awful at using firearms, then go for it.

Going in as TACP, wish me luck lads.

>>32846285
Lol

>awful at using firearms

FUKKEN CONFIRMED

i am terrible at shooting but they make me look good lol

>>32846291
Welcome to Security Forces. May God have mercy on your soul.

>>32844068
My brother is a crew chief for the c-130, quicker boot camp and better food. He told me that the air force has the best food of any branch and his skill is protected. Instructors said they had to do repairs in the field on a c-130 and had 30 soldiers protect 1 crew chief. He will make great money too working on base and can leave at any time and work on any large jets. He also got a $20,000 sign on bonus. If you join then join for a skill you can carry on with after.

>>32844095
>Hardship stipend
LOL that shit made my dad laugh his ass off when he was stationed in Korea prior to Gulf War 1. He made as much as a captain in the Army as a first lieutenant in the Air Force because the Air Force declared all Army garrison barracks as "substandard".

Glad that meme is still alive and well

>>32844068
pro: best dfac

con: worst culture

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>>32844068
So, guess this is a good place to ask this.

I’m looking to go into the USAF through the OTS route. I graduated with an engineering degree 2 years ago and have been working at an engineering firm since then.
But I don’t want to enter the military and do anything resembling civilian work. I want to be an active combatant.

So far it looks like the Air Force is the most limited in terms of such roles. Like CROs and STOs are the only ones that jump out at me.
And if PJ’s are SEAL-tier in terms of requirements, it would be arrogant to assume I’m going to make it there.

Got perfect on the Critical Reading and Math sections of the SAT and PSAT, respectively, so I think I shouldn’t have too hard a time with the ASVAB.

So I guess my real question is this: assuming test scores aren’t a limiting factor, what are some USAF jobs that y’all would recommend to a 25-year-old /k/ommando who wants to fight? Preferably combat arms.

Is it much too late to look into being a pilot? I’m 6’4”, so that might exclude me from several kinds of aircraft anyway.

>inb4 REDHORSE

What branch/job do I get the best chance to travel somewhere cool?

>>32845493
Ayyyyy. I'm in guam with some of your people right now man.
>>32846153
We're you with the couple that were out here?
>>32846198
That's be because you were a crew chief like a retard.
>>32845230
>wasting time on age
Fellow 2a7x1??

>>32845493
You in Abilene, by chance

>>32846678
Pretty sure the height limit is 6ft 5in so you're good, need to apply soon since the age limit is like 28.

If you did well in school it shouldn't be too hard, but I have heard that OTS really likes to select prior-enlisted for rated slots.

Talk to an officer recruiter about getting a pilot slot. Literally no harm in trying.

>>32845492

Special Forces and Special Tactics are basically SOF for smart people. SEALS and Rangers for people who think it'd be kewl to CoD IRL.

>>32847141
Where do you want to go?

Navy if you don't know; you may visit a lot of places while underway.
If there's a specific country you want to see Army lets you reenlist for choice of station, not sure about other branches..

>Army: Germany, South Korea, Japan, Italy, Kuwait, Kosovo, Guantanamo, and if you're lucky South America
>Marines: Germany, Japan; also see Navy
>Navy: Bahrain, Japan, Italy, Spain, Kuwait, Guantanamo; also visit many other ports worldwide
>Air Force: Guam, Germany, Japan, UK, Qatar, Kuwait, South Korea, Turkey, Greenland

>>32847141

You ever look at the Foreign Service? The military is good if that's what you want to do, but if you just want to live and work abroad for America you can work for the State Department.

>>32846153
I wasn't there but those red and yellow belts are from our squadrons

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>>32845700

>>32848280
Air Force: North or South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, or any other flat, sparsely populated place devoid of trees and things to do.

>>32845421
Kek I live 2 hours away from the place.
What's wrong with the base aside from the fact that's it's cold as fuck?

Become a load master.

Sincerly,

Maintenance

>>32847141
Wherever the fuck they are currently operating or need you.

Same rule applies for special forces and up.

>>32844578
Go into Maintenance if you are a genuine gearhead. It's not hard work unless you are a pussy, and I found it interesting and satisfying.

OV-10 & F-4 Comm/Nav, later F-16 engines and crew chief here.

BTW QA didn't fuck with me because I bothered to know my shit. For example I had a variety of special tools approved locally by making them myself at civilianbros machine shop then submitting the actual sample to QA for approval. Then I got my civilianbros to produce them and sell via government credit card since Fab Flight didn't want to fuck with making those and other local man tools due to workload.

Avoid SF, any Admin job unless you are fluent in Ebonics, and Transportation (work on things that fly and live well, work on wheely things and get sent to work with the Army...)

Medical fields are best if you are interested in quality of life and shitload of civilian job opportunities.

>>32850814
Some urban faggots hate it but AF outdoorsmen told me they loved Minot.

>>32850851
Loadmasters travel everywhere and often bank their entire paycheck. Great if single.

>>32845488
Whatever you do, I wouldn't recommend listening to this guy.

>>32851073
>Loadmasters travel everywhere and often bank their entire paycheck. Great if single.

Exactly why I envy them. C5 crew chief stuck me at the worst enroute base. Now I work 17s

>>32851073
This, if I could do it all again I'd go enlisted aircrew. I tried to cross train, but my window was the year they cancelled all cross training for budget cuts, couldn't BOP cause shredded out to single airframe with only two base options, so I got the fuck out.

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>>32844068
Is it true the air force gets the most twinks?
I've seen a lot of cute boys wearing their weird pseudo tigertripe cammies online.

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>>32851594
Yo, a buddy of mine just got a flight slot to go to UPT, wants to fly 17's. Compfy ass fucking plane. I still prefer the Eagle, though.

>>32851764
In 6 years I met one person who was openly gay and one trans, so I wouldn't say it's prominent or at least no one gives a fuck enough to talk about it, which is how it should be

>>32851045
I have a superficial love for cars and engines generally interest me, is that gearhead enough?

>>32844578

AMMO here. I can't wait to go to OTS and get out of here.

>inb4 they make you a maintenance officer

I know, the fear is real.

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>>32851958
Oh, ok.
I guess that's good

>>32844068
cons- you're still in the military, and the military sucks
You have suck a lot of dicks
You're the branch everyone shits on
Pros-
it has the best barracks, food, etc
You get to suck a lot of dicks
there are more technical jobs with skills that transfer

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>>32844578
>>32846198
>>32851045
Former 2A6X5 HYDRO HUUUUUUYYYHHHHH

>>32851992
You're a faggot and I hope you step in dog shit on your way into your mandatory PT test

>>32852074
Is there a non-mandatory PT test?

>>32850814

It's a nuke base.

Running the same identical checklists at 110% efficiency every single day with zero allowed errors to prepare for a contingency that will NEVER happen can drive anyone to suicide.

>>32852074

Since when does Hydro have a beef with AMMO?

>>32852111
Some squadrons have pretests before your actual test

>>32852141
AMXS and MXS don't get along in general

>>32852141
I've always hated AMMO but you're a faggot for assuming your going to OTS

>>32852148
Must be nice, they probably give PT time during duty hours too

>>32852196
I remember when I was at Elmendorf the Finance offices and shit were all closed every Tuesday past 9 AM for ''''''''''''training'''''''''''' what that is I'll never know... But at the same time those desk types got fucked with a lot of dumb shit, I heard some E6 chewing out an E4 saying he was giving him an LOR for not taking out his trash can at the end of a shift

1C3 here. Where ever you go, please learn how to at least hold a conversation or report events properly.

>>32852166

I had my bachelor's before enlisting and my UTM ordered me to submit an OTS packet the moment I get my 5-level because we're that short on officers.

You sound very bitter.

>>32852458
>I had my bachelor's before enlisting
then you really are dumb

>>32852467
Why is that dumb? Asking for a friend

>>32852467

Don't look at me, sequestration was in full swing when I first tried for OTS and they weren't taking anyone. So i went the enlisted route planning to get in through the back door once the inevitable manning shortage cropped up again.

And now here we are.

>>32852523
He's salty he's stuck enlisted.

>>32852504
Not likely, with a few exceptions like medical, most officers don't hold degrees relavent to their job.

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>>32844095
>smart
>officer
He doesn't know

>>32852536
I deleted my post because I thought I sounded like a pretentious douche, but thanks for answering. Good to know

>>32852532
I was smart. I got out. You on the other hand are going to be a 25 year old butterbar getting shit on by everyone. Enjoy planning the squadron christmas party and being the 1st Shirt's bitch boy for 4 years

>>32852586
I guy who has the upper hand is not usually concerned with proving it...

>>32852621
>I guy who has the upper hand

The other guy got out of the military like the smart one

>>32852586

I'm sorry your Air Force experience wasn't to your liking, but not everyone is suited to the lifestyle.

I'll be sure to enjoy my career and put in my 20 on your behalf.

If i join the USAF to become a pilot, what are the chances I'll get to fly an F-22 or an F-35

>>32851799
Its a comfy plane, I just knew so much about C5's and starting a new AC kinda screwed with me. Lost most my knowledge because shit just comes here to load and leave. We dont even have high reach capabilities.

>>32852670
The fact that you're asking here means that it is zero.

>>32852554
Explain m8?

>>32852753

Just enlisted babbies pretending they're winning by being expendable trash.

Hyper political correct over reaction atmosphere. Most higher ups will throw you under a bus to improve their career. One guy shits himself everyone wears diapers mentality. Probably the weirdest collection of autism in the US outside of here.
Pros
Excellent career in and out of the military if in a career that gets you a good skill/ certs
All dat sweet welfare for doing nothing dangerous at all ( outside of special forces)
Travel ect the usual military shit

Honestly I wish I went army.

>>32851990
Yes.

>>32852659
Truth, and I've never met a retiree that was the least bit sorry they stayed in.

The minor annoyances of AF life are more than compensated for by your deferred compensation in retirement.

Some people are too high strung even for the Air Force, but no loss if they leave because their departure promotes someone else.

>>32852830
>Honestly I wish I went army.

You can always go Army. Switching services is common. You may not find the Army to be what you expect. My AF recruiter told me he sent his ASVAB low scorers to the other services whose recruiters were glad to get them. Fast forward about fifteen years later when my peers were recruiting to homestead prior to retirement and they dif the same thing. It's not a joke.

People in groups suck to work with sometimes, but if that group has to include whatever is warm and breathing then standards must adapt.

Be careful what you wish for.

>>32847638
where do TACP fit in that?

>>32844068
Pros: You get to support Rise and Fall: Civilizations at War with ads

Cons: You have to admit it.

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>>32844068
Pros
>You'll probably get the MOS you want
>comfy
>you'll eat well
>pay is decent
>highly unlikely that you'll die

Cons
>all the other branches will give you shit for being in the "Chairforce"

>>32844068
Thinking of joining the Canadian Air Force. Anyone that's been in service, what's it like? Is it any different than what's been posted here?
>inb4 planes fall out of the sky because they are 30+ years old

Prior service Army, thinking about re-enlisting into the Air Force to go into Cyber. What can I expect?

>>32855732
>thinking about re-enlisting into the Air Force
Good fucking luck.

>>32855772
What's the problem, no slots ever open up?

>>32855781
It can be rather tough, yes. A bit abrasive too, but don't let it bring you down. Just keep at.

>>32846678
Are your eyes not up to par?

If so, 2 options:
>Combat Controller, Logistics, or Fed Research Lab
>Roflcopter pilot

My cousin chose the latter after getting his Civil Eng. Degree with ROTC, he now owns a limited edition Porsche 911. He's retiring before 55.

>>32847141

Not a C-130 pilot.

C-17 or C-5s you do

>>32851764
No, that's the Navy

Fun fact, a lot of "Gay culture" garbage arose from Navy sailors (ring on the left ear, Just look at Shore Leave from Venture Bros)

>>32844068
Pros- JTAC, TACP, NOMADs, call in the rain while you kick it with the grunts
Cons- They'll see a telephone and say it's for you.

>>32852074
I enlisted hydro I'll be working on C-5s.
What am I in for?

>>32856657
>Cons- They'll see a telephone and say it's for you.

I dont get it.

>>32856657
>NOMADs
ROMAD* srry my autism is acting up

>>32856688
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HraaEzKbBE

first 15 seconds

>>32847141
Coast guard. America is the coolest place on earth.

Honestly the AF has treated me pretty damn well. Air Traffic Control is pretty tough to make it in, but once you do life is fucking good. Rarely work 8 hours a day.

If I get out I'd get payed mad cash for the same job I'm doing now, except it's easier.

I've been saving 500 a paycheck for a while now so I'm up to 31 grand in savings. I live off base now and just got a roommate, so the 900 bucks a month extra I get for living off base (BAH) just gets saved.

Got a year and a half before I get out and try to finish school. Hoping to try to come back as an officer, ideally as a pilot.

I'll leave the Air force as a 24 year old with zero debt, 2 years of free school and like 55grand in the bank. Can't complain to be honest. Best choice I've ever made. (All though I didn't really have any choices left after my terribad high school grades)

I want to fly a F-16 or a F-15C

The idea of flying alone sounds awesome

4chan memes aside, how realistic is this possibility?

>>32857119

Have a degree and healthy? Go talk to a recruiter. They are fucking dying for pilots right now.

>>32847319
Not the one that posted, but im engines for the B1 at Dyess.

>>32844068
One of my friends is an e4 in the Air Force and has his own house because the ran out of rooms in their barracks
One of my other friends in an e4 in the Marines and shares a room with an e3

>>32847141
I've heard if you fly heavies in the Air Force, you get to go all over. You fly in, drop cargo off, maybe spend a few days in Italy or wherever, fly back.

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>>32860425
Hey you and I live in the same city

>>32852670
Assuming you're qualified and make it through pilot training, the chances are still pretty low. Different air frames drop at the end of different classes. If you're top of the class, you get first pick, but that doesn't mean shit if all that drops is heavies and helos.

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>>32845493
love it, hate it

>>32848280
>>32850525
Air Force: Texas, Texas, and Texas

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>>32860580
How nice komrade.

>>32852074
>HUUUUUUYYYHHHHH

hows tech school?

Best job in the AF is 9S100

https://www.thebalance.com/air-force-enlisted-job-descriptions-3344378

Flight Chief gave me an ultimatum guys. Either I go in the AF as an Aircraft Armament System Apprentice or he signs DEP discharge form.

>>32844068
Pros: Enlisted Chairforx live better than Army & Marine Officers. Very cool bunch of people. They have a lot of autism level brainiacs due to missiles, space ships, and aircraft systems that might as well be space ships.

Cons: You are subject to a sometimes mindless government bureaucracy, may get sent someplace extremely hot or extremely cold. Extremely remote deployments.

If smart, can into maths, and possess degree go pilot. They are the royalty...every thing supports them.

If you are very smart but no degrees go EOD, Combat Controller, or Para Rescue.

If a mere mortal and you want a practical career skill and no chance of combat type activity then loadmaster, and are chief are cool.

Maintenance, supply, security forces are kinda meh but they are not bad jobs...

oops, meant crew chief....i can't type

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Can someone with real experience in the Air Force give me a serious rundown on security forces?

I have an interest in working in DEA, FBI, Sheriff, State dep, etc later on down the road and I think that going into the Military Working Dogs occupation would be a great experience as well as would put money in my pocket to help pay off my debts and allow me to go back to school to finish my education (currently have ADJU associates, thinking of going for Homeland Security with specialization in counter-terrorism). I plan to stay in for 20 years and retire with full benefits regardless of what branch or job i choose.

Thank you for any honest advice you choose to share.

>>32844578
Explain further
I'm an aerospace assembler and am interested in joining as an Aircraft mechanic.
I already know how to handle stealth hardware, so I'm ahead of the game from the start.

>>32864284
Mwd is basically the only thing that can get you into any job on the outside.

You would need to go in straight leg security forces and eat regular security forces shit on a gate (most likely) while spending your spare time at the kennels running errands for the kennel master until they sign your letter of recommendation (they'll make you write it)

There are contractors that hire k9 troops i hear, but i never looked into it because im not one of them

Anyone know about the cyber surety program the AF runs? Or anything related to it?

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>>32862695
Your not scared of me are you