Mysterious gun

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Markings

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Extractor lever

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Barrel

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Dirty barrel

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Cross

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Takedown pin?

>>32824346
if centerfire I'm guessing .410, if rimfire I'm guessing 9mm flobert

this was a common type of single shot long gun for hunting and extermination in the late 19th century, so I can't really tell you much about who exactly made it

>>32824394
Yeah it looks like it is centrefire, thanks

>>32824394
Do you think it is safe to unscrew the screws?

>>32824352
Liege smokeless proof marks, so made in Belgium.

>>32824394
Yep it's .410 with a 2 1/2" (65mm) length chamber.
See >>32824352 the right circle with 41065 in it.

>>32824432
Makes sense, he lived in Belgium, thank you!

>>32824346
Where did you measure it? If from the muzzle, it sounds like a .410 shotgun with a choke on it. That would make sense given that it's a single shot break action.

The markings are proof marks. One of them does seem to say .410-65, which would back up it being a shotgun.

It's probably safe to shoot shot out of it. I'd stay away from slugs and steel shot, but that's just general "old shotgun" advice. The one thing you want to be sure of is that it locks up tightly, and that the firing pin can't come down until it's secure.

>>32824443
Thanks for the info!

>>32824449
Yeah from the muzzle, thanks for the advice!

>>32824429
and to answer the question of whether or not you can disassemble and clean it, sure, I've seen worse condition guns been taken apart, but if the screws are so tight you can't unscrew them spray some penetrating oil on them and let it sit for a while, it'll get down into the threads and loosen it up. you shouldn't try to 'restore' it or anything in my opinion, just clean it up if you want to (though it doesn't look that dirty to me)

>>32824474
The barrel looks pretty crusty on the inside, would it be safe to shoot it like that?

>>32824346
You can also look up the manufacturing date mark here.
http://damascus-barrels.com/Belgian_All_Proofmarks.html

To me it looks like it might be from 1947, but I could be wrong.

>>32824488
well if you've cleaned the barrel and it's pitted to hell, then you might want to get a real gunsmith's opinion on safety, but to really properly clean it out use some patches that are just really soaked in solvent and just keep going through it with regular patches until it's clean, maybe use a copper brush.

Yeah but I don't think I will be going to a gunsmith with it because technically it is an illegal gun because it is unregistered (shit commie country)

>>32824509
Very interesting find, thanks!

>>32824539
Thanks for the advice!

Also Liege was practically the weapon factory capital for the entire world for a couple of centuries. You'll find weapons with Liege stamps on any corner of the planet, especially pre ww2.

>>32824558
What this guy >>32824539 said.
I can't really tell how bad the inside of the barrel is, but you could try and see if the gun still locks up good.
Hold it by the grip and shake the barrel a little. If there is a LOT of play (if you can get a fingernail between the breech face and barrel that isn't a lot; I'm talking about >1mm gap) between barrel and action I would refrain from using it. It will still work, but it's probably nearing the end of it's lifespan.

>>32824665
Which marking says its from Liege?

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>>32824718
There is no wiggle at all, very tight.

>>32824719

The PV under lion.

>>32824752
Well in that case I'd say enjoy your little off the books break action shotgun. Keep her safe from the grabbers.
Also let me guess: Netherland?
Greets from your friendly neighbourhod gunsmith Mof.

>>32824795
Oh ok, thanks!

>>32824819
Belgium, i'd like to shoot it in my garden, dou you think it would sound a lot like a firecracker or something? I live in a pretty populated area (like most people her t b h, everything is so cramped it sucks) and wouldn't want the neighbors calling the cops.

Greets right back at ya friend

>>32824795
That's the smokeless powder proof. The Crown-over-ELG is the Liege proof.

>>32824859
Eh, It'll probably be one of the loudest firecrackers your neighbourhood has heard (unless your neighbourhood is fucking Molenbeek).
Even though .410 is the smallest shotshell widely available, it still has a lot of power and is quite loud.
I'd say don't shoot in your garden if you don't want someone to call the police.
Clean it, oil it, stash it and maybe find a nice secluded place to blast some cans.

Here's an example of how loud it can be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm6EcAJmNrY

>>32824905

You may be right. But I was under the impression that the crown/ELG mark was Belgian, not just Liege.

>>32824931
Good thing I asked first, thanks again :)

>>32825121
You're welcome.

>>32825010
It's for firearms made in Belgium and proofed at Liege. Foreign-made firearms proofed at Liege have a different symbol, a cursive "L" inside a flaming shell.