How hard would it be to destroy the 3 gorges dam?

>>32824345
explosives

>>32824351
/thread

>>32824345
Word is they didn't conduct a proper seismic/geological survey of the area and thus the foundation of the damn is inherently unstable. We've had this thread a few times before, I remember hearing a figure to the tune of "5% failure rate per year" being thrown around a lot. Not cumulative, of course.

I can't be fucked to look up the details. Seemed like it's doomed within several decades, best case scenario. At least this is what I remember hearing.

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>>32824345
>laughs in RAF

>>32824351
this, with the added benefits of underwater explosions.
you'll need to figure out how to deploy them though.

>>32824383
> laughs in cookie

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What about the Glen Canyon Dam?

>>32824382
In other words you're lying

>>32824444
see >>32824383
and >>32824427

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>>32824345
>>32824444
Fuck off "Anna", you're not getting me again. I only got out 2 years ago after feds finally released all the documents proving it was entrapment.

>>32824450
Wow, if I didn't know any better I'd say you're salty about your shitty 3rd world damn! But then again, I'm a liar.

>>32824345
It can withstand a tactical nuke.

>>32824628
>50 cents
in seriousness though, i wonder how badly fucked it would be by a nuclear bouncing bomb

>>32824725
It would be seriously fucked in a direct hit.

We are talking about hotter than the sun temps here. It would literally melt the concrete.

This is before the blast wave

Would a single well placed 2000lb JDAM destroy it? If not, a bunker buster right in the middle should do the job. It's fucking concrete.

do you have a T-12 cloudmaker? if so, not hard.

>>32824345
US targetting probably calls for a SLBM or ICBM strike hitting the reservoir. the shockwave through the water will do the rest, bam. 200 million chicoms dead.

Muhammed pls go.

>>32824382

Yeah key word being "word is"

This has become a pretty common pattern now. China builts and achieves, the west can only bitch and moan about it whilst taking muslim cum enamas.

Theres a fucking good reason why China is advancing and the west is decaying.

>>32824805

Good thing China has nukes too to deter warmongering American cowards

>>32824593
And I bang yo mom because I says so and you might as well as being my illegitimate twink.daughter

>>32824842
If only the dam could stand as well as your scenarios.

American bullying at its finest.

The dam can withstand American firepower, it is included in the list of probabilities when they made the dam. It would be funny to see America try though.

>>32824345
Debatably difficult, it's not like you can just waltz in and JDAM it.

Not hard at all. Just sit around for 5-10 years and do nothing.

>>32824444
explosives again

>>32824833
>Theres a fucking good reason why China is advancing and the west is decaying.
Its easier to go up when you are at the rock bottom?

>>32824444
>>32824345
Your posts have been forwarded to the FBI, don't even >>

>>32824345
U P K E E P
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There is a series of dams on the Yangtze river before the 3 Gorges Dam as shown in pic related. Destroying the smaller dams first preferably in order leading up to the 3 Gorges would increase the load of water on it, making it easier to destroy, if not destroyed by the water itself.

>>32824942
>thinking anything made in China will last
I'm surprised it hasn't collapsed already. I'm sure if there are problems they are keeping them quiet

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>>32824849
Awesome you can be the dad I never had! Can you take me to the park so we can throw a football?

>>32824345
Grab your ak and find out

>>32824345
What's the chinese equivalent for alphabet soup agencies?

>>32824628
>>32824725
Seems to me that a guided nuclear-tipped torpedo from the full side would be the most effective. Obviously you couldn't get a submarine in through the Yangtze river, but perhaps you could launch it from a fishing boat a few miles upstream.

>>32824842

And how would they get those nukes to America if the USN sinks their navy? With land-based systems, the farthest China is going to hit is California which is barely even an American territory anymore. Not to mention that China has a no-first strike policy exactly for the reason they can't withstand MAD, so unless the US were to go nuclear itself (which it doesn't need to because of the dams), those nukes would be expensive base ornaments.

>>32825033
I wonder, given a full catastrophic breach of all dams on the Yangtze, what level of casualties are talking about?

lets say coordinated successful strike on all dams in proper order for maximum damage

>>32825996
MSS ,2PLA, and 3PLA
2PLA and 3PLA are 2nd and 3rd departments of military intelligence, 2nd being HUMINT and 3rd being SIGINT.

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>>32824345
Cannon ball

>>32826377
Millions of chinks would die. It would be genocide tier if Chinese weren't a gigantic ant colony.

>>32824775
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Drum_(Philippines)

turns out that massive reinforced military grade concrete can withstand a hell of explosives with just chunks being torn from it with each hit. Now add couple dozen years of concrete engineering development and you might have something rather hard to blow up as you are imagining it... surely enough demo engineers would try to create crack lines and let the pressure of water do its job but that requires on-site placement of explosives, not just a precision strike from outside from above/sides...

>>32826343

>Chinese land based systems cant reach America

WRONG

>>32824833
>.t chicom

>>32826343
Full retard

>>32826735
>implying their ICBMs work.

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>>32824383
i understood that reference

>>32824382
>Not cumulative, of course.

So how exactly did "they" determine this 5% failure rate? Does it just like reset each year?

>>32827490
IF YOU WANT TO BE AN AIRFORCE NUMBER ONE
YOU HAVE TO DROP A SPINNING BOMB RIGHT ON THE HUN

>>32826343
China has the ability to put about 100 nuclear strikes on the US West Coast. About 30-40 on the rest of the US.

Their low numbers are why they are so suspicious of the ABM system being placed in Worst Korea.

>>32827474
Wanna find out?

>>32827515
Western "experts".

>>32827515
No clue. Read it in a thread sometime during the spring of last year, some anon basically said what I repeated.

>The chances that it will fail over a given yearly period is 5%, based on 3rd party seismological surveys
t. some anon

Or some shit like that. Do any of the archives go back that far, and if so which one? I'll look for it if so.

>>32827619
And this is why you don't use 4chan as your only source of info on a any given subject.

You know how long 3gorge has been up? Do the fucking math on that (im assuming you can do basic stat).

>>32824345
three times harder than destroying one gorges dam.

>>32826377
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Yellow_River_flood
This, but ten times worse.

>>32826687
>a 2,000lb JDAM is the same as a 240mm shell
No.

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>>32826343

>>32827648
So you don't have any archives for me, huh?

>>32827595
come at me bro

>>32827907
No, but I'm telling you to apply some intellectual rigor to your shitposting.

I'm sure a b2 carrying 2 of these would do the job

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_Ordnance_Penetrator

And there's not a damn thing the dogeaters could do about it

>>32824345
It's made in China, so all you really need to do is skip a pebble across the lake to hit the dam and it will tumble down.

>>32824842
hey guys look, it's the chinese propagandist that shows up in every one of these threads

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>>32827525

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>>32824749
There's concrete structures still standing which were at ground zero in Hiroshima, Jap buildings at that time were less structurally sound than the strongest dam in the world today.

>>32828171
The Hiroshima bomb was less than a 10th of the size of the average nuke today, not even getting into the big stuff. One of the gravity bombs from a B-2 could be 70 times more powerful

>>32827976
Ah well. Thanks for stopping by anyhow, if I ever find it I'll be sure to start a thread on the subject and look for more input.

>>32828210
Look at the dam, it looks like a ramp, the shockwve would travel right over it.

As for melting, you wont melt enough to matter, the heat pulse isnt there long enough - see the shadows of people on concrete in Hiroshima.

You want to destroy it? Put it inside the dam.

>>32824398
that would probably depend on the amount of explosives on hand then. with the way that damn is built is might be able to withstand a direct nuclear blast so placement is definitely key.
the weakest point of the dam is likely to be the section under the most stress. normally this would mean the center on the side that isn't holding back the water. however one can clearly see the reinforcing wall positioned in the center of that damn. as such the next likely points of stress would be at the quarter lengths (literally halfway between the center and an edge). thus the optimum point appears to be the third quarter up inside that rectangle with the thin bridge. the amount of explosives required would be whatever is needed to crack that foundation. repeat ad nauseam for the other dams involved in the complex. at least for modern technologies.

in the future we'll probably just introduce some form of fast growing coral or seaweed that thrives on concrete and let nature destroy it for us within about a single month to a year's time.

that or an underwater drilling drone to create a tunnel under the dam itself.

>>32825033
the number of dams means nothing. Pressure is determined by height of the water nothing else. dams are built very well. The height of the dam does not exceed the structural strength of the dam. so the only way to increase pressure on dam is increase height of water which at that point will flow over the dam therefore not increasing the amount of pressure on the dam past its structural integrity. Basic physics 101. To destroy the dam you would have to weaken its structure. no matter how much water is behind the dam as long as the height of water being held stays below tolerance (aka the max height of the dam itself) it will not fail without outside forces acting on it.

http://philschatz.com/physics-book/contents/m42192.html

>>32824345
It's made of concrete and steel.
so pretty freaking hard

>>32828171
ITT we don't grasp the difference between an airburst to maximize flash burns and ground overpressure and a groundburst to destroy a hard target

ITT we are also unaware that the "Little Boy" bomb used on Hiroshima was about one twentieth the yield (12 kt or so) of one of the ten W88 warheads (350 kt) from the MIRV launched on a single Trident SLBM

>>32828517
Wouldn't you actually want the warhead to detonate underwater to maximize the effect? How deep would a W88 go from when the warhead strikes the water to the detonation?

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>ITT: Subtle advocations for traditional fortifications on the basis that a non-fortified dam could supposedly withstand being nuked

>>32828835
Three Gorges can survive being nuked by sheer size. Nuking the dam is pointless outside of a countervalue attack, as it'd be far easier and not a war crime to simply destroy its power transmission infrastructure and locks.

>>32829489
In nuclear war, crime is irrelevant. If someone bitches, kill them. Not joking. Serious people DGAF about words on paper.

Three Gorges could be taken out by multiple warheads striking at the end of dam structure. If there is a nuclear exchange the US will die too but the last act should exterminate as much of the heathen Chinee as possible and countervalue is the way to go.

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>>32825942
Haha, your dad ran away from you again! Seems we have similar father figures!

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>>32824345
Shoot it until its health bar empties.

>>32829489
>any part of the dam breaks
>dam is immediately rendered useless due to flow in the damaged section
HURRRR DURRRR

>>32824833

>Yeah key word being "word is"

Those are two words, you ding dong.

>>32829652
It doesn't house their version of GI Joe or anything, if the power it generates can't be transmitted nor can river traffic get past it through the locks it's basically a big wall of concrete.

>>32824351
>just gonna take enough explosives to knock down millions of tons of concrete, with out the chinese stopping me

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>>32829582
Oh don't you worry; he'll be back. They always come back.

>>32825071
The Three Gorges Corporation used to release periodic reports on problems encountered, but suddenly stopped about 10 years ago.

Known problems are; expanding cracks on the face of the dam, ongoing seismic issues around the dam and reservoir, ongoing infiltration, saturation, and fracturing of the substrate underlying the dam foundations. Further upstream, soil saturation is causing massive earthslips into the reservoir. The resulting tsunamis have killed hundreds, and virtually destroyed at least 1 village.

Eddy currents at the spillway terminii are causing ongoing scouring, which is destroying the foundations of the dam.

I'm going to be 58 next month, I have every expectation that the Three Gorges Dam will fail in my lifetime.

>>32826377
Between 20 and 25% of the population of China live in the projected flood zone. Iirc, it would take about 20 hours for the wave front to reach the mouth of the river. So, some percentage of the affected population would be able to evacuate.

There's still going to be millions of deaths. China's going to be gutted like a fish when the dam goes.

>>32825071
China makes Iphones.

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>>32824383
Holy shit, I got that reference before the image had completely loaded.

>>32827515
There used to be a Dutch hydrological study of the dam floating around on the internet. I can't find it anymore. The Dutch know a thing or two about long term water retention projects.

The tl;dr of the study is that the dam has a 5% chance of failure in any given year, and a cumulative chance of failure as it ages. I can't remember what the cumulative numbers were.

Factors cited included incomplete seismic studies, flawed geologic studies, shoddy construction techniques, substandard construction materials, and an unproven design.

>>32830653
china assembles iphones.
or is apple's market cap $500 billion simply through luck?

>>32827648
It's not cumulative, you twat.

>>32827803
plus the eight hours or so it would take to transport, assemble, and arm the weapon. Remember that China doesn't store their warheads in the same place as their missiles, and the launch codes are controlled by the party, not the military.

>>32830669
5% chance of failure per year is ridiculously high. That study doesn't sound legit.

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>>32824345
Why hit the dam when you can hit the ground off to the side?

A couple of non-airburst nukes could dig a channel right around the edge and flood the country while the dam still stood.

>>32830774
because the dam's hardly nuke-proof. You stick 400kt on the dam, in the reservoir, or on the ground near the dam, it's going to burst.

>>32824444
Houseboats, full of TNP. Cruise right up to it at night. Sink houseboats up against it. Water tamps detonations, magnifying power.
>haydukelives.jpg

>>32824345
How quickly does it need to be destroyed? Acids could decrease the integrity until the pressure of it's function breaks itself.

You could take large tubes and siphon it from higher pool to lower pool, break it from the side thats usually submerged in water.

Rapidly cool integral parts / super heat them again until breaking.

>>32824345
remind me, why did the chinese build the machine that could lead to the death of 1/5 of their population?
Wouldn't a series of smaller dams have made more sense?

>>32829489
>Three Gorges can survive being nuked by sheer size
Top kek.

>>32830826
>precisionearthquake

Just detonate the nuke underwater to cause a pressure wave that will burst the dam.

>>32830868
No.

>>32830868
My understanding is that without it you basically got mass flooding and destruction every half century or so. I'm sure there was a better solution and it would be interesting to discuss what it would be but the CCP probably didn't give a shit and just decided that a dam would do.

>>32824345
3-4 semi modern torpedoes

>>32830975
>but the CCP decided that they needed more palaces to hold their cocaine and ladyboy hooker parties in, so a dam would have to do

ftfy

>>32824345
It will destroy itself eventually.

>>32826670
Hundreds of millions dead, hundreds of billions in property damage, Shanghai devastated, and hundreds of billions in economic damage.

>>32829549
>china has 50 missiles capable of carrying a nuke to mainland US
>US dies too

Lol no
Chinese nukes aren't even particularly powerful.

>>32830796
>dam's hardly nuke-proof
don't talk out of your ass.

3Gorge is very difficult to destroy. It's one thing to render it nonoperational, it's another to crach the structure. You think the Chinese didn't plan for contingencies into arguably their most visible target?

Fucking armchairs on 4chan...

why don't you fucks do a little reading before shooting off your dick suckers? Seriously.
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/1928774/chinas-three-gorges-dam-can-survive-nuclear-attack-says-nations

>>32831305
>"3 Gorges Dam can survive a direct nuclear attack" claims Chinese propaganda spout

>>32831305
>>32831350
What if you use more missiles
What if you tunnel in from south korea and dig out under it, so it sinks into the ground

Also
>Chinese construction

>>32824849
His mom gave me a handjob in an Outer Richmond massage parlor. Not bad. Not spectacular, but not bad for a 60 year old gal.

>>32830462
58? You're the only guy on here older than me!

I've heard the scouring issue before. What would a failure scenario go down?

>>32831200
>nothing of value lost

>>32831284
It's just reinforced concrete. Not saying a single gbu-31 will knock it out but spam some cruise missiles at it or drop a bunch of JDAMs and it will fail. It won't be a catastrophic video-game tier failure where it just collapses but if it has enough local failures allowing huge leaks, the mission will effectively be accomplished.

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>>32824959
Watch me

>>32824345
Can jet fuel melt steel beams?

>>32831649
No, but it burns hot enough to make them lose a good amount of their structural integrity.

>>32829823
You don't need much. You just need to compromise the structural integrity.

>>32831175
It's not so much that but when you fill a government entirely with STEM autist type A personalities you get solutions like this

>>32831507
it could also start an epidemic that could leave China and cause collateral damage to countries we like. Not to mention the water pollution as all of South China gets flushed into the ocean.

>>32827515
>>32824382
If that were true, then probability of failure would follow a geometric probability distribution. This distribution is used to determine the number of trials until a success is achieved. In this case, the "number of trials" is number of years, and success is dam failure. If the probability of dam failure is .05 per trial (5% per year) mean time until failure is
1/p
so
1/(.05) = 20 years.
Since the dam was opened in 2003, the cumulative probability of failure at time k=14 years is given by
1-(1-p)^k
This is
1-(1-.05)^14
which is
0.5123
or 51.2% probability of failure at this point in time

95% probability of failure, given p=.05 per year, occurs at
.95 = 1-(1-.05)^k
.95 = 1-(.95)^k
.95^k = .05
k = 58.404 years

For the hell of it, median time until failure of the dam would be
ceiling(-1/log2(1-p))
ceiling(-1/log2(.95))
ceiling(-1/-.074)
ceiling(13.5134)
14 years.

It's not necessary to go through that to tell you that you're full of shit, but it was enjoyable. Not even the Chinese are that shit at construction. If it was India, maybe.

>>32831200
>hundred of billions
>7 billion people on earth

Uhhhh

>>32832485
>hundreds of billions in economic damage
>economic
>i.e. not human lives but in some monetary measurement

Neck yourself.

>>32832485
7 billion too many

>>32832466
There is one flaw in your analysis. The dam receives constant maintenance and repair.

>>32830653
>China makes Iphones
Which people discard and replace about once every year...

>>32832561
I posit that the flaw is that 5% is a bullshit number plucked from thin air. Regardless, if the dam did not receive consistent maintenance and repair, the probability would increase each year rather than remaining constant. A basic geometric distribution isn't going to be accurate for modeling such complicated events even in the best of circumstances. I can only use the bullshit information I was given. As they say, garbage in, garbage out.

>>32824628
Then just use a strategic nuke....

>>32826002
Or just drop one from a low flying aircraft.

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>>32824345
Here's a picture of a cripted I found in MN, you can find some strange shit up north here.

>>32832629
It's black Dorf.

>>32832629
Wrong thread

>>32831981
Also because China just HAS to have 'muh biggest', regardless of reason.

>>32832485
Good thing you're on an imageboard, because reading is clearly not an area of strength.

>>32830702
ARE YOU FUCKING ILLITERATE?

>>32831255
>Chinese nukes aren't even particularly powerful.
>nukes aren't even particularly powerful

4chan, ladies and gentlemen. 4chan.

>>32831497
My understanding is that scouring undercuts the foundations and footings of the dam. When it gets bad enough, part of the dam slumps into the cavity. This compromises the integrity of the dam, meanwhile the scouring action is washing the dam debris downstream. This makes room for more slumping, the cycle repeats until the top of the damaged section falls below the waterline. Then you get top down washout until there's a complete breach.

The only blessing in this scenario is that it's a relatively slow release. It won't be so much a tsunami going downstream, but more like constantly rising water levels for days, until the reservoir empties.

Catastrophic failures could be triggered by landslips pushing tsunamis over the top of the entire length of the dam, scouring out the whole footing in one shot. Also, if the buttresses at one side or the other fail, one side of the dam could blow out. The gap would keep growing until it ran out of water. Figure, at least half the dam would go away in that scenario.

>>32831350
>Chinese propaganda spout
>propaganda

I love it when obese poorfags on 4chan think so highly of themselves that they think everything is propaganda to brainwash (them). Three Gorge vulnerabilities are talked about a lot in CHINESE circles, and this piece isn't really for external consumption. You need to fucking take your head out of your ass, dumb shit.

>>32831497
like this. there is a hour long documentary I can't find that tells you all the events that led to the accident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfW5MqT7CSA

>>32824444
czech'd

also that pic really reminds me of the hoover dam

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>>32832824
>propaganda is only for external audiences

>>32830752
It looked legit when I browsed through it. Like I said, it can't be found on the internet anymore.

Used to be, if you googled "3 gorges dam engineering problems" you got a pretty good thumbnail sketch of the real issues facing the dam, complete with pics of the growing cracks in the face of the dam.

Now, when you use the same search terms, you get a bunch of maskirovka about ecological/environmental and sociological issues. It's almost like somebody is saving face.

>>32832608
Factor for the dam needing increasing maintenance as it ages. Needs typically outpace dedicated resources at some point in the age cycle. The fact that the Chinese are conducting reactive maintenance instead of predictive maintenance means that they'll always be behind the accelerating failure curve.

>>32831981
The US could use a bit of that.

Also, you're the autist.

>>32832895
the article made it pretty clear what it is. It's a reporting of an internal argument among people who, you know, actually work for the chinese government.

Why are you so fucking stupid? Wait, don't answer that. Just fucking post birth abort yourself now.

>>32832968
>The fact that the Chinese are conducting reactive maintenance instead of predictive maintenance
how do you know that? Or is this just pulled out of your ass? Don't use the word fact when it comes out of the business end of your fucking anus, please.

Use the water against them, like some dudes said, just bomb the water.

>>32833032
>the government doesn't lie to itself
>people definitely won't defend their careers to the last
>an authoritarian state with 0 effective safeguards isn't filled with liars

I honestly was shocked when I read your post. It's hard to believe that people as poorly paid as yourself post on this world wide web.

>>32832999
Politics is for politicians. We need bridges and shit made, we subcontract.

>>32833044
>just bomb the water

And then when they have no water, they come crawling to us, and beg us to sell them some of ours! I like the way yout hink.

>>32832513
I thought you meant hundreds of billions (of people) in property/economic damage. My bad.

>>32832524
+1

>>32833097
>Politics is for politicians.
management is for MBAs.

the politician's number one concern is his own continued existence as a politician and to extend his influence and power. That's true for all career politicians, especially for elected ones. Problem solving only happens in the context of good press coverage and the public score board. If you can't understand that, you need to basically fucking kill yourself, because living within a haze of stupidity for your entire life is needless suffering.

>>32833154
My point was that just because government is responsible for say, building bridges, doesn't mean you need to staff it entirely with people that build bridges. You can hire bridge builders when you need bridges to be built. You know, like western society has been doing for centuries. Capitalism, baby!

>>32833042
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2003/jun/13/china.johngittings

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/aug/16/world/la-fg-china-three-gorges-20100816

https://www.google.com/amp/s/journal.probeinternational.org/2014/04/07/three-gorges-dam-triggers-frequent-seismic-activities/amp/

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>>32829489
Nope.

>>32824345
You could probably blast a big old hole in with your average Bunker buster, but it'd probably take a whole shitload of them to create the kind of catastrophic failure you're imagining when you think "destroy the 3 gorges dam"

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>>32824345
Pretty easy but blowing dams now falls foul of the Geneva conventions courtesy of the RAF.

>>32826377
15-20% of China is literally washed back to the stone age.

>>32833066
you're fucking stupid. Do us all a favor and never post here again.

>>32834152
Holy shit fuck off.

>>32833224
that's not capitalism, that's inefficiency.

And you have no fucking clue about the level of state involvement in major infrastructure projects in the last 5 centuries in Europe.

The STATE is always the prime mover.

>>32834161
how about you fucking kill yourself? You're probably already doing it since you're too dumb to breathe. Just go choke on a shotgun and pull the fucking trigger, you worthless sack of shit.

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>>32834185
You've gone full petty and I love it.

>>32831497
Ummmm ... 62 here

>>32824628
Source?
Detonated hundreds of meters above it maybe, but that would be a retarded weapon and method of attack.

A bunker buster or 2 in the right spot ought to do it.

>>32831520
You ever see how much of those comieblocks in grozny were still standing after getting shelled for months? Concrete is very blast resistant.

>>32832901
Your stats would mean that over a 10 year period it'd have a 40% chance of "failing" whatever failing entails probably also pulled out of their won ass.

>>32826377
All out nuclear war is what I'm going to guess.

>>32824842
if we're talking about destroying that fucking dam, We're a bit past warfare that doesn't feature WMD use. given it going down /will/ drown a shitload of ching chong's

>>32835132
Again, it's not cumulative. Each year, there's a 1-in-20 chance of the dam failing. It's not 5% the first year, 10% the second year, and so on.

>>32835284
Are you retarded? Over a 10 year period doesn't mean the 10th year.

>>32832807
>I don't understand yield or blast effects

4chan, ladies and gentlemen. 4chan.

>>32824345

12 gauge > 3 gorges.

>>32835397
>>32831255

You are a dumbass who doesn't understand MIRV.

(though china points most of its nukes at russia)

>>32831284
Reminder that several hundred kilos of Torpex is enough to destroy a dam. See the Dambuster raids and Hwaechon dam in Korea. Even if the 3 gorges dam is 3 orders of magnitude stronger, that's still less than a single kiloton of TNT.
Any nuclear depth bomb in the vicinity of the dam would destroy it. And the US has precision guided penetrating B-61 freefall nukes. A B-2 could pass by on its way to or from more vital targets and drop 2.
>This kills the 50 center

>>32835298
And you still don't get the not cumulative part

>>32824383
>RAFter

>>32831497
>>32834988
ahahahah! 44 here you old....wait....goddamnit

Just go inside and remove some screws

>>32835494
>Hwaechon dam

Was merely disabled by destroying flood gates. It remains in service today.

>>32835801
I stand corrected.
Even if you up the required yield by another order of magnitude to correct for that, it's still well within the capabilites of existing nukes though.

nuclear bunker buster, it's a real thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_bunker_buster

>>32835854
You don't stand shit, you dumb piece of shit.

>>32834126
Does Geneva convention apply to China?

>>32835686
5% chance EVERY YEAR
95% of nothing happening every year
(1-,95^10)

How do I do math I'm retarded

>>32836451
Yes, very good. You finally seem to have grasped the concept of a baseline 5% chance per year of the dam failing. Good on yer. You only had to be told how many times? Four?

Since you have your calculator all warmed up, go ahead and run the percentages for all of the dynamic factors that accrue annually toward a failure. These are cumulative, and they add on to the baseline 5%.

Btw, in the real world, baseline failure probabilities are typically measured in tenths or hundredths of a percent for a project like this. A 5% baseline is Dogpatch engineering at its worst.

>>32833066
>>32834152
>American shill arguing with Chinese shill while other unrelated shills who are on break watch

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>>32824345
Easy as fuck ive ran the simulation dozens of times send scorpion tanks to counter the chinese and hold them back then 3 rocket buggys or so take it out pretty quick

>>32830752
It doesn't: 5% chance cumulative, means 60% failure chance on 20 years, etc.

The reality is that every winter doesn't stop or end harshly, and earthquakes might be rare.
From another point of view: It could be 5% cumulative, IF there is no maintenance.
If you do basic maintenance, fuck all happens unless there is a large earthquake that moves the foundation.

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>>32838188
Do people on this website even know what the word shill means anymore?

>>32827585
>trade some of California for most of China

Sounds like a deal to me.

>>32828481
Are you trying to claim that water overflowing a dam is not almost always catastrophic? It's called erosion, and it's probably the biggest disaster that can happen to a dam short of straight up cracking in half or having water moving underneath it.

>>32828563
However deep is was set to, I imagine. Electronic fuses are a hell of a drug.

>>32829823
Buddy, you blow a hole in any submerged part of the dam the water pressure flowing through will begin to widen it immediately and likely catastrophically. Especially if you fuck up the foundation, and there's water flow underneath the dam, which would not only be catastrophic in a matter of hours, but impossible to fix, and nearly impossible to detect.

>>32835116
You're comparing multiple small explosions composed of small amounts of low power explosive mix with a single 5000 pound blast using modern explosive compositions. In other words, stop being a retard.

>>32835446
Number of warheads, Chang, is what we count, for a reason. China does not have effective first strike or second strike capability yet, and in the event they started assembling their missiles en-mass, we'd have about eight hours to respond before they could even hope to fire. Not to mention we outnumber them warhead wise by multiple times.

>>32828171
The WWII nukes are cap guns compared to the shit we have today.

> bunker busters

o i m laffin.

Massive ordnance penetrators failed fucking miserably in Iraq. Many of their hardened bunkers remained not only intact, but operational.

Now compare those silly little bunkers against a structure Five Times larger than the Hoover dam. 24 Million cubic yards of concrete. Fags can't even fathom the scale of Three Gorges.

It would take maybe a dozen direct nukes to cause catastrophic failure. Although one hit would doom the structure to imminent failure given time.

>>32824398
timed sea mines

>>32824749
having a nuke "melt the concrete" is like saying that getting hit by a .50bmg will kill you via "lead poisoning". The wall will do a lot of things, depending on how close the nuke is and how powerful the yield. One of those things may be x-ray ablation, which is more akin to vaporization. Just look at support cables attached to nuclear test towers.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=pgT6qQlXTsE

You can see the cables holding the tower vaporizing from the "brightness" of the x-rays nearby. The same would happen to the face of the dam.

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>>32827525

>>32836230
No, it only applies to human beings

>>32842808
Who signed it, silly filly.