So, do you guys agree that disarming felons is immoral?

>>32819824
not immoral, but if they can be trusted to be free they should be trusted to own weapons.

>>32819824
I think it's unethical

>>32819833
It's not that they're trusted to be free, it's that it'll be illegal to hold them longer

>>32819824
Depends on the felony.

Considering all sorts of stupid shit is a "felony" yeah.

>>32819837
aren't you supposed to say retarded contrarian bullshits?

Violent felons, no.

>>32819842
change the law, if they pose a continuing threat keep them locked up.

>>32819824
Kind of.

On one hand, they had their chance at freedoms and they abused it. If you can't obey the laws like everyone else, you shouldn't enjoy the benefits of those laws like everyone else.

On the other hand, there is a lot of silly stuff that are considered felonies. Plus, if you have served your time in prison, I feel like your debt to society is paid in full.

All in all, I think only repeat offenders should lose their rights.

>>32819868
That's a slippery slope my dude

>>32819847
I don't know what you mean

Yes. If they've served their time and are released into the public they shouldn't have their basic human rights taken away.

they are still citizens, and therefore have the right to bear arms

>>32819824
They can apply to get their rights back. Honestly, if you don't want your rights taken away don't commit a felony.

>>32819939
>they are still citizens
And therefore can be deprived of liberty with due process of law
Pretty weak argument m8

I believe everyone should have the right to self defence. But, repeat violent offfenders shouldn't be trusted.

I just don't know.

>>32819824
violent felons

>>32819824
all except gangbangers, black white brown, those niggas never change.

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>>32819900
honestly i won't be happy until pic related is a reality.

I think that non-violent felons should not be bared from them but violent offenders should still lose access.

It's part of the legal consequences:prison time, fines, loss of certain rights; these are all punishments through due process.

You can always petition to have your rights reinstated if you have been upstanding for some time.

>>32819844
Literally what I was going to post when I saw this thread.

>>32820103
If they aren't capable of being trusted with a gun and basic rights then why are they released anyway?


People here imposing these restrictions on gun ownership probably think mandatory background checks and the 4473 is a good thing too.

>>32820103
This. Its perfectly constitutional to lose rights through due process.

>>32819824
No.

I feel that letting them live is immoral.

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>>32820156
You must slay the pussy.

>>32820189
I have no sympathy for criminals.Expanding the death penalty and quickening the process to just a bullet to the back of the head.would solve a lot of problems in this world.

>>32819824
Felony for driving without insurance? I agree.

For drug dealing with Tyreese and popping a cap into Mr. Smith? Fuck no

>>32819837
Ug I hate to agree with Callum but I believe that after a certain period of time after felons get out of prison if they are noneviolent they should. I think violent criminals should have to go before a judge to gain this back. And be vouched for by members of the community.

>>32819824
>>32819833

This. They're either stable or they're not. If they're not stable enough to be trusted with a weapon, they're not stable enough to be released onto the world where they can easily procure one illegally anyway.

>>32820261
>Vouched for by members of the community

HE WAS A GUD BOY
HE DINDU NUFFIN
COP THAT FOUND HIM WITH 80kg OF COCAINE AND 3 AK-47'S WAS JUST RAICIST

>>32820261
They can, all they have to do is the dog and pony show of appearing before a judge.

>>32819939
A felon retains all other rights of the constitution that i know of. I kinda lean towards getting the 2nd back as well

>>32819824
Nonviolent felons? Yes, it's wrong. Just because someone broke the law to sell some pills or whatever doesn't mean they're a danger to society if they have a gun.

Violent ones I think should be prohibited from owning firearms, but there should be a reasonable path to get their rights back. It shouldn't be that hard a process, as long as they present reasonable proof that they're reformed and have their life back on track.

>>32820324
Can't vote

>>32820288
yes, because using support from the community should be done in the most retarded way possible without trying to ascertain the quality of a character witness

>>32820218
This

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>>32820218
>>32820351

>>32820371
The truth is sharp

>>32820383
don't you have school tomorrow?

>>32820395
I've been out of school probably longer than you've been alive.

>>32819898
We've got to seriously re-examine what we define as a "felony". I'm not sure that any non-violent crime should be a felony.

I wish we had something like "disenfranchisement" as a punishment for crime. Your rights are stripped, you can't vote, you are answerable 24/7 to a parole officer or something. You are basically an adult baby until or unless you can prove you are 100% reabilitated. Then you can get your franchise and all your rights back, the end.

Right now I think we've got a shit system. So a guy does a crime, does prison time, does parole time, and is now a free man, buuuuut... Not really. He's sorta kinda paid his debt to society, but he's forever and ever going to be a second class quasi-citizen.

>>32819824
Yes.

As long as the American government decides who is a felon, then yes.

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>>32820397
sure thing champ

>>32819824
Yes, for nonviolent felons.

They paid for their debt to the people of the nation, why bar them from a right for the rest of their life?

>>32820422
Graduated college in 98. How about you?

>>32820268
Agreed

>>32819824
I think you are felon fat american

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>>32820431
>i-it must be true, someone said it on the internet

>>32820464
Whatever man. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>32819824
Depends, generally I think it should depend on the nature of your crime, and even then you should be able to petition for your rights back.

>>32819833
I really want to agree with this on principle, but the American prison system is abysmal, nobody is ever rehabilitated, and many people come out MUCH worse than they started. You could argue the last point is part of the punishment, but I don't agree, seeing as they will make victims of others from that effect.

Basically everything needs to change first.

>>32819868
That costs money and is ethically questionable.

>>32821209
>That costs money and is ethically questionable.
that's why i like this
>>32820060
exile hardened criminals to an isolated island.
can't live in society, then you don't get to. no fiscal responsibility to them, if they can't fed themselves or eat each other that's on them.

>>32819824
Violent felons maybe. Tax fraudsters and street-level drug dealers no.

>>32821951
Works until innocent men are exiled or political dissidents get tossed into nuAustralia.

>>32820395
No. My mom said I didn't have to go while she was making my tendies

>>32819824

Not in the slightest bit.

Too many things count as a felony though.

>>32819824
What felony?

>>32820335
Correct.

>>32819824
They are Americans. It's not proper, or moral to deny them of their basic rights.

They did their time. Just don't be a shithead, because I have guns also.

>>32819824
Depends on the felony. Some felonies are fucking stupid. Only seriously violent criminals should be b& from guns. First degree murder, serial killing, armed robbery, violent rapists, scum-of-the-earth gangbangers and shit. Nobody deserves to lose their second amendment rights over, say, having some illegal drugs or anything like that.

Depends on the felony. Murder? Home invasion? Armed robbery? Probably not. But drug charges or signing a bad check? Why not?

>>32820060
I'm upset how underrated this movie is. (the game on the Sega wasn't bad either)

Sure. I also think that "punishing" them by locking them up and feeding them while they do nothing but gangbang all day is fucking retarded.

Bring back lashings for minor crimes and public executions for serious crimes. Only jail criminals until their punishment can be handed down

>>32821951
They will turn into hardcore shitposters instead.

>>32819833

This, nonviolent felons should get them back at the end of their sentence. Violent felons should be no more than 5 years unless they're not stable people.

Also, criminal records should disappear from the public after 2 years so the fuckers can actually get a job.

I know one guy who's a felon for a stupid reason that shouldn't have even been punishable and I support this.

>>32823733

A lot of times they have them do public services to reduce their sentences like clean up roads or even help farmers sometimes. I'd like more of that.

>>32823616
>They are Americans. It's not proper, or moral to deny them of their basic rights.

You are one stupid naive motherfucker. They've declared themselves enemies of society by their crimes, but you want to suck their cocks. I hope you are murdered by the shitskins you want to rearm. Are you Jewish?

>>32823845
>make stupid decisions in life that end in you being a felon
>dur dindu nothin'
^you.

>>32823863

He was cleaning a window with a cup of window cleaner and a rag. Guy came up asked if it was gaterade in the cup "yeah I'm totally cleaning this window with gaterade" and the retard grabbed the cup and drank it. Retard sued later and lost

>>32823863
You obviously have no clue how little it takes to become a felon. I know people who got felonies from literally transferring money from one bank account to another 5 times in a month. Feds bled them dry in court until they made a plea bargain.

Either you have a 2nd amendment right, or you don't, end of fucking story. If you're on probation, parlole, or in prison, your rights are obviously non existent, but after that period you should be back to being a normal citizen with all of your rights including voting.

If committing "x" crime gets "y" "rights" taken away, you never had such a right to begin with, then it's a mere privelidge like having a driver's license. There is nobody on this earth who's job it is to protect you, and only a tyrananical government would seek to strip you of the ability to defend yourself. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED MOTHER FUCKER.

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>>32823861
No, but clearly a jew raped you because you're pretty angry about it.

>>32823861
>committing crimes
>enemies of society

Wow you're a faggot. I guess you've never went over the speed limit your whole life, huh?

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>>32819833
fpbp

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>>32819824
I'm assuming you mean AFTER they are released from prison.

If the offence was completely non-violent (like embezzling money) I see no reason why someone like Bernie Madoff should be denied their right to own a gun once they’ve paid back their debt to society.

But with regards to violent offenders, I’m somewhat torn.
Obviously, someone whose character is so warped that they would commit a violent crime in the first place is predisposed to do it again.
But people CAN change. Especially with decades of reflection and solitude.
And it seems like continuing to punish someone after their sentence is unjust.
Do they still have a debt to society? Then make them pay it.
If they have no debt to society, why continue to punish them?

This is coming from a guy who’s never even gotten a traffic ticket, much less a misdemeanor. I’m not trying to be an apologist for criminals.

Pic related has some excellent thoughts on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxwnHVr192A

Give them all guns and make them fight it put in an arena hunger games style
Televise it to the masses for entertainment
Winner gets to not die

>>32822062
there will be some degree of that, there have almost certainly been innocent men executed under the current system. nothing is perfect, but the island system is cheap and you aren't directly responsible for the prison rapes and murders or killing potential innocents as the prison system, thereby all americans, are currently.

>>32824069
What part of that story involves criminal charges?

You can't become a criminal by being sued.

>>32819824

depepends if they were violent felons or not

>>32824788

>not locking up criminals forever with no hope of joining regular society
>not enslaving a caste of second class citizens

Fucking liberals.

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>>32826334
Breh, I am a Buckleyan Paleoconservative.

Only sense in which I'm a Liberal is the Classical one.

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>>32820397
>>32820383
>>32820218
>>32820431
>>32820474
You don't have much life experience do you?

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>>32824788
God bless, Hitler.

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>>32826431
Are you so uneducated that you can't tell the difference between C.S. Lewis and Adolf Hitler?
Or do all B&W photos look the same to you?

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>>32826431
where did that come from

>ITT Criminal loving faggots.
It might come as a shock to you all, but it's actually very easy to go through life without committing crimes, those that do commit crimes make a conscious decision to do so and after being caught and then being convicted beyond all resonable doubt in a court of law by a jury of their peers, should pay with, amongst other things, a loss of their rights as part of their punishment. Being able to own guns is not needed for their rehabilitation and by committing a crime in the first place they have already shown themselves to be scumfucks who have poor impulse control/are easily led/think they should be above the law/etc and as such in the vast majority of cases it's better for them and everyone else that they don't have guns.
I mean jesus, I have always thought people should have a right to guns but the open advocation of allowing the stupidest fuckheads in society the same access to guns that a normal law abiding person has is folly.

>>32819868
Sure, as long as you are the one paying for them.

>>32819837
t. felon

>>32819939
>they are still citizens, and therefore have the right to bear arms

With that logic, they should never go to prison because muh liberty.

In real life, those of us who are good citizens don't need niggers with guns hunting us because some autist thinks muh rights. Autists are mental defectives who should be liquidated.

>>32820001
No, you are brainwashed by niggerlover PC leftards.

>>32820423
>They paid for their debt to the people of the nation, why bar them from a right for the rest of their life?

No, it wasn't a "debt" it was fucking punishment. They are the enemy. Your autism won't change bangershit into something different. You should be killed for being stupid because your autism makes you a liberal.

>>32826442
He got 88 Hitler dubs, retarded newfag.

>>32820397
How does it feel to be a dropout?

>>32819824
AFAIK, I don't think legally anyone convicted of a federal offense can get their rights back seeing how congress defunded the ATFs firearm rights restoration program in 1992.

>>32819854
I think there should be some process so they have a chance, if they're actually reformed and have evidence to support that.

>>32819824
As long as the American government decides who may or may not own firearms, it is unconstitutional in my eyes.

>>32819824
Felonies for violent crimes=no gunz

im a felon, i was sentenced to 20 years when i was 16, and that said im on the fence about this, alot of people locked up should never have access to a firearm, hell most shouldnt be released. but on the other hand i feel as if after a period of time with no issues a felon should be allowed to keep a gun in his home...carry? no.

>>32820060
>Imagine Escape from LA but with Ray Liotta as a generic felon

I can't believe people didn't love this boring ass film, Waterworld got a bad rap too

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>>32820474
>trying to prove your maturity to no more than 3 to 6 different Russian posters on a Rwandan genocide discussion board

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>>32821951
fuck no, the internet cant handle a second Australia
>we have entered a new dark age of shitposting by 2060

>>32820142
Because it's a process of retaining full rights. You walk before you run.

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>>32826297
this would quickly devolve, I'm afraid. Left to their own devices, we can't even imagine what sort of "society" a bunch of violent, hardened criminals would create. Not sure how eager the general public will be to keep from intervening in Australia 2.0 when the white supremacists begin engineering the 4th Reich and start honor-killing all the blacks and minorities. Merkel would intervene before shit went full Mad-Max

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>>32826638
>hurr all criminals are equal
>the 14 year old who stole a copy of COD 4 from game stop should be executed
>the guy who gets charged with manslaughter because he hit a retard jogging in black at night no longer deserves to be able to defend himself

>>32819868
I, too, hate the Constitution and specifically the 8th Amendment.

>>32819824
Seems pretty unreasonable that they shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves from murder. I mean, if a felon is murdered it still counts as murder.

>>32829128
>the guy who gets charged with manslaughter because he hit a retard jogging in black at night

You realize that we have a justice system for the explicit reason of finding this general kind of thing and fixing it.

You faggots have no idea what rights restoration is. Thankfully someone already thought if this shit long before you

>>32829042
>this would quickly devolve
who cares? it's not televised, and what happens is their own fault at least twice over. auto cannons shoot anyone who tries to get off or on the island. it'll be like africa with no foreign aid whatsoever.

>>32829183
it has historical precedent, cruel and unusual is subjective.

>>32829361
there were fucking riots when some noname teenager got shot shortly after robbing a convenience store. You don't think the American public are going to have a problem when things go full genocide?

>>32826314
>what is criminal negligence for $500, alex

Please neck yourself.

>>32819824
Violent criminals should be disarmed.

>>32829361
Arbitrary life imprisonment for "felonies" is absolutely in violation of the 8A you chode. Why is it gun owners are constantly throwing every Amendment except for 2 and 10 under the bus in pursuit of "law and order"?

>>32819824
Look, iam from germany, so our felons have it rather easy inside but getting weapons as a law abiding citizin takes alot of time and patience but it is possible. I don't think that taking away the right "to arm yourself" from felons is unethical. You see, societies work on many different levels, and you can do alot before you will be convicted. But if you really fuck up, end up in prison and all that, you also fucked up to aquire firearms in the society you fucked up. If the world ends full fallout new vegas style and you NEED a fucking gun to defend yourself or anything you love, okay, but aslong as this whole shtf scenario hasn't played out yet, you'll never hold a firearm. That's my opinion

Seems like for non violent stuff it should be allowed, if a guy cheats on his taxes, gets caught and does time, then yeah, I don't care if he wants a gun. However stuff like stealing guns should be even stricter, in some states stealing a gun isn't even a felony.

>>32829579
who said arbitrary punishment for "felonies"? if they are violent criminals that can't be trusted to own guns, work in healthcare or child care, any number of other jobs why should they be free to walk around? if they are rehabilitated by our justice system then by all means give them guns and let them run daycare centers.

we have an odd and inarguabley bad prison system that evolved from crazy puritan ideas and english common law, none of what happens today was laid out in the constitution.

>>32829941
>"The state sentences you to 10 years in prison"
>10 years later
>"The state believes you are still a ((((risk)))) to the ((((community)))). We sentence to to 10 more years to prove you're 'rehabilitated'"
Hang yourself. How this ends up as anything but a convenient way to legally imprison political dissidents is anyone's guess.

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>>32829941
>none of what happens today was laid out in the constitution.
I agree. The fact that the constitution was written without being able to foresee all of the problematic facets of the 21st century invalidates it. It's 2017 and we need to rewrite it. I suggest we start with the right to bear arms, whether they need a warrant or other legally admissible writ to search you or gather evidence and then once you're arrested whether the government can imprison you without due process. So problematic!

You either get all of it or you get none of it. You don't get to pick and choose.

>>32830008
does any change to the justice system not become a convenient way to imprison dissidents to you?

>>32830209
things aren't cruel just because you say they are

>>32819847
No these are actually his opinions.