wheraboos pls go

Closer to 10 shermans

jews

>>32797819
After the war, the U.S. Army did a study and found that generally, the first to engage won. It is a very dynamic thing, there is not an exchange rate. Although the Sherman was not the best tank (that profile), it was not overwhelmingly inferior, especially in conjunction with allied air power.

>>32797819
What Shermans?
What Tigers?

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>>32797819
... but the Einsatzgruppen Schutzstaffel actually were an anti-terrorist organization...

Nazi tanks are like German cars. They are great but when Toyota or GMC can make 20 cars for every one you make, you just can't compete.

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>>32797819

Americans were very new to war when they joined and the Germans had been at it for years.

So regardless of the equipment, the more seasoned German tank crews would be more effective than American crews. Because of the lengthy war experience of the Germans, their tank tactics were also far more advanced.

Same thing can be said for the Soviets.

>>32797819
>>32797842
The meme originated because US doctrine was to use the platoon (~5 vehicles) as the smallest tactical armored unit, which meant even if only one Tiger made it to the battlefield, they'd sent 5 tanks after it, because that was the smallest unit the US used.

And "exchange rates" are only meaningful in a big picture sense, K/D ratios tell you nothing about the quality of equipment/training, because if you're outnumbered your K/D will suffer. So if say red tanks have a K/D of 5-1 against blue tanks when evenly matched, that will drop to something like 1.25-1 if outnumbered 2-1.

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>>32798777

This post implies that US tanks won on sheer numbers which isn't the case.

US tanks were every bit the equal and sometimes superior to their German counterparts.

The US also maintained a positive kill ratio against German armor.

>>32799163
>believes this when the greatest attrition rates for german tanks were caused by their own malfunctions and breakdowns
>believes the Soviets were ANYTHING but human cannon fodder
keklmao

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The most effective German AFV was the StuG

The most effective German anti tank weapon was the mine

The second most effective German anti tank weapon was the Pak family, from the Pak 36 to the monstrous Pak 43.

The third most effective German anti tank weapon was the Panzerfaust.

The fourth most effective German anti tank weapon was the StuG.
I think you should realize where I'm going with this by now.

Also, you may or may not have heard of the Jumbo Sherman. An extremely heavily armored vehicle with armor second only to a King Tiger. It was not created for tank duels, if you look at the primary killers of Shermans, you should be able to figure out what it was designed to do.

If you can't figure it out, ask me and I'll be happy to tell you.

>>32798759
That's the joke.

>>32799339
The only sumbitch in the thread who knows what he's talking about, and the post goes unnoticed. Why am I not surprised.

>>32798317
Depends. Early Sherman vs Early Tiger gives a massive advantage to the Tiger. By the late war Shermans with the 76mm and good ammo could breach the Tiger's armor and had a range band where the 8.8cm gun could not do the same on the front or turret of the Sherman.

>>32799339
>b....but muh tigers
Fucking this. 9 times out of 10 it doesnt matter what you have on the field but how many of what you have on the field

>>32799424
It also implies that German car manufacturers can't compete, which really isn't true last I checked.

>>32801370
>naziboo
I still thank the lord that /wtg/ keeps using the proper word instead of the reddit word

>>32801370
So glad I left behind War Blunder
Absolute unbalanced garbage both in the air and on the ground

>>32801426
Jap GF was added

>>32801426

I've suffered through it for several years and finally unlocked the Leopard I. I can now sprint across farm fields removing T-62s from afar whilst blaring 99 Luftballons. May Nena guide my 105mm shells.

>>32801327
Hell, even an early 75mm Sherman firing M61 rounds could penetrate a Tiger I if it managed to get a flank shot off.

>>32801439
Woo. Enjoy a Ha-Go fighting T-34-85s

>>32798317
Even saying something like "Sherman wasn't the best tank" doesn't do it justice. It makes it sound mediocre. Sherman was arguably the greatest tank in the world when it was introduced, and it remained one of the best throughout the war. And really, it also just had the good fortune of being a part of the US Army. Logistics were such that no crew ever wanted for ammo, supplies, and most importantly spare parts, and there was always a ready supply of well trained tankers backed by air and artillery.

>>32799163
Arracourt kinda proves you wrong on that point. US tankers were only really outclassed by the Germans very early in the war.

>>32801439
wish i had a jap girlfriend

>>32801501
>Logistics were such that no crew ever wanted for ammo, supplies, and most importantly spare parts
besides, you know, fall 1944, that is...

>>32801501
Still don't understand the "CAS drastically affected armor on the ground in WW2" meme.

>>32801439
I can't wait for paper-thin armor going against T-34-85s and retards getting angry when their bouncy castle gets that 1/1 million ammunition load explosion from a Japanese tank bouncing off them

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>>32797819
daily reminder that they did nothing wrong, besides losing

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Somewhat related to this thread. I did some calculations the other day, and I discovered something very interesting.

I've read a few times that the Germans believed that a Tiger I would be unable to penetrate a Sherman's frontal armor if the Sherman were angled at 30° relative to the Tiger, unless the Tiger were firing from extremely short range. Inside 100 meters if I remember correctly.

Well, I thought this was bullshit. The Sherman's armor is severely underrated, but surely it can't be THAT good. The German's were probably just erring on the side of caution and overestimating the Sherman's armor, or underestimating the power of the KwK 36.

It would appear I was mistaken. A small hatch M4A1 is fitted with a glacis plate 51mm thick and sloped at 56°, giving it a line of sight thickness of 91mm. Impressive, but a Tiger can still punch through even at extreme range. But when I factored in the 30° compound angle, it turned out that the effective armor shot up past 110mm.

I couldn't tell you how high the actual effectiveness would have been, seeing how I can't factor in things like steel and weld quality and additional obliquity of cast armor, but just going by those numbers, it looks like the Sherman would have been able to resist the Tiger's HEAT and APCBC rounds at various ranges. Only just, but for a jack-of-all-trades tank 30 tons lighter than the Tiger, it's still extremely impressive. And that was just the small hatch version. Large hatch Shermans had even thicker armor, and didn't have the hatch bulges as weak points to boot.

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>>32797819
its more by chance than anything

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>>32801613
>extremely short range. Inside 100 meters if I remember correctly.
tigers have been taken out by 75 mm equipped Sherman but its a lucky and risky kill

one thing is that there is no need to fully disable the tank
only to take out the drive train and suspension
and to make the gun or sights inoperable

when I read about German equipment it becomes apparent to me that it is effective due to well trained crew and tactics
rather than the best design or most powerful guns

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>>32797819
I'm pretty sure that never happened, the German crew would be too small to drive all the Shermans back to their base.

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>>32801439
>tfw no jap GF
why even live