Argentina makes an offer for 15 MiG-29 to Russia

Why do you eternal retards need an army, let alone an air force? Stop.

Its one thing to buy aircraft

Its quite another to buy aircraft, maintain, support and train pilots in them.

I doubt you guys will do the latter.

Fuck Argies, wish America jumped in with the Brits to slapped their shit back in 82.

>>32797723
De-stress your breasts, it's possibli a game to try and getting a better deal with somebody else.

>>32797654
7th largest territory in the world, with the most fertile agricultural region on Earth exporting to all the world.
Gotta defend that.

>>32797671
True, this government seems willing though.

>>32797743
Probably true.

>>32797768
>Gotta defend that.
From what? Sea monsters?

>>32797501

Bruh, why aren't you asking for F-35s?

>>32797768
>Gotta defend that.
No, you are bored and want toys. It's OK to admit it. If you can't unfuck your economy you can reattack the Falklands out of beaner pride.

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>>32797818
>beaner
Argieland is Whiter than the USA bruh
Here in New Zeland we get their rugby fans all the time

>>32797896
>New Zealand
Fuck I should be sleeping

>>32797802
Because the Bongs have made it so that no Western nation will ever sell to Argentina again.

>>32797501
Are you sure Russian aircraft are the way to go for your army?

No Argentina isn't buying, they're just "studying".

Fuck i guess this is the 7th fighter that you Argieniggers are "evalutating" to buy.

>>32798080
Least they're not ordering Chinese.

And personally I wouldn't want those fucks getting freedom blessed American aircraft.

>>32797802

>attack a NATO nation using NATO weapons back when NATO nations were focusing on preventing war with the biggest threat to western hegemony
>Argentina now loses rights to buy Western equipment

They don't have the money to realistically buy these MiG-29s either. Should be settling for the same shit Pakistan has since at least they can economically fund their military while Argentina verges on bankruptcy on a daily basis like all prior Spanish shit tips.

Just buy JF-17s and arm them with shit from the 70s. It'd give you region parity on a next to nothing budget. It'll save you losing whatever remains of your naval fleet when Britain sees a single jet go near the Falklands again.

is everyone in here has been mugged by argies nigger while in vacation?

this >>32797768 is the only positive post and probably OP's

>>32797654
So they can take back the falklands from the britcucks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_314_Super_Tucano

Pls buy.

>>32797793
Second; your nation is at the bottom of a huge continent - not like North korea is gonna come over is it?

>>32798069
We got an offer for F-16s in 2005 which our socialistic anti-military traitor government of the time refused.

There is not much info on that though.
Not even what block the offer was about.

>>32797501

Well, they're hopefully going to be in a better state than those "refurbed" Kfirs that were considered.

>>32798203

Yeah, just opened up this thread. Pretty disappointed with most of the comments.

Argie MiG-29s vs Brazilian Gripens when?

>>32798347
A modern nation without a good military deterrent won't remain being so for long.
All our neighbours are better armed than us starting with Chile which flies F-16s with AMRAAMs and its own AWACS.

Chile spends more than 2% of GDP on its military, there lies the difference.

>>32798144
It's not about the money it's about political decision. 0.5% of GDP is laughable, we could ramp it to 1% and afford SU-35s if we wanted to. Hell we could ramp it to 2% of GDP and afford Rafales.

But the people here are turbocucks.
Military spending is unpopular.
Even as the country is totally disarmed.

We are lucky to be living in an era as peaceful as this one particularly in South America. That may change in the future.

>>32798211
Would be interesting, I'd love to see Britain get on the recruitment drive, I bet the bongs would fucking crush the argies tho

>>32798434
Your country is beyond broke and the economy is in the shitter, the last thing you non-whites need to worry about is an airforce.

All you want is some shiny toys, despite the current economic situation that is happening in your country.

>>32797723
It was too soon to start getting back into Wars

>>32798458
>le trolle redditor
I thought you were serious sorry.
Not gonna bother with this one.

>>32798397

Why? Brazil literally has them on a leash.

>>32797768
>with the most fertile agricultural region on Earth
Where?

>>32798486
Are you denying Argentina is struggling economically? Have you seen the interest rates and inflation in your country?

You can't afford an airforce, let alone "ramping up the spending to 2%", with what fucking money? You're already broke rofl. You're LITERALLY in a recession right now.

>>32798458
>>32798508

This isn't relevent to weapons, please take any gripes you have to a different board.

>>32798434
Chile has Leopard 2's and actual IFV's (Marders and AIFV's).

No one in South America can oppose them

>>32798458
Things are getting better, you know. I see a lot of argies coming to the beaches here.
>>32798230
But they already have a bunch.
>>32798397
plz no, I live near the border, I don't want to get my house bombed.

>>32798517
Have you not read the OP?

He is talking about the Argentinian airforce, this is absolutely related.

>>32798518
Maybe Brazil? They have Leopards, and some supersonic jets. And a lot more men.

>>32798524

They have Tucanos, not Super Tucanos.

>>32798527

I have.

Talking about the economy is a wider issue, from the looks of things this money has been budget, thus a NON issue currently.

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>>32798518
>le leopard meme

>>32798508
>with what fucking money?
Stop talking as if you knew about my country.
The new government has just cut taxes amounting to 1.7% of GDP, or $6.29 billion dollars. If we wanted to ramp up military spending we could have with that money alone.

We could easily afford MiG-29s fucking Ethiopia flies Flankers, that money we just saved in taxes could have bought and maintained Rafales.

The problem is political will.

>>32798549

Tanks are useless for us, our territory isn't fit for them so we have to use IFV's and APC's.

Argentina should stick with Israeli Kfirs. At least they have AESA, MiGs,or any Russian made aircraft, don't. Second hand Kfir is probably even better than a new Su 35.

>>32798580

The real question is life costs, I bet the Kfirs will be a really bad deal to maintain due to their age and closing down spare part pool.

>>32798580
(((Who is behind this post)))

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>>32798580
>Argentina should stick with Israeli Kfirs

>>32798612

Best viable option for Argentina.

Argentine air force is already familiar with Mirage aircraft.
Argentine will get a jet with good radar
Argentina has no other viable options: no western country will sell Argentina weapons because of britbongs. Russian 4th gen aircraft are actually 3rd gen. Chinese aircraft have AESA, but their engines are shit.

>>32798612
>>32798602
>>32798597
>AESA equipped Block 60 F-16 style Kfirs with western engines
vs
>Rickety slavshit spewing smoke

Don't get me wrong, I'm British, I'm personally pretty happy with them buying what is probably the worst fighter on the market at the moment.

>>32798687
There was a negotiation for those Kfirs.
I would be OK with that since they would be more compatible with our current equipment.

But the problem is >>32798597 as that anon correctly pointed out.

>>32798580
>At least they have AESA
That is a proposed upgrade, no one actually has it.
By the same token you could by MiG-29s with Zhuk-MAE or Zhuk-AE radars.

>>32797501

I say go for some nice Gen 4 / 4.5 fighters and you can have a pretty capable airforce

> Mig-29B
> F-16 Block 60+ (Or just ask Northrop for a modernized version, they'll happily hook you up)
> Dassualt Rafael, Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen

Ask around and you can do joint training with US / Nato / Russia / etc. Yeah, you'll probably get curbstomped for a good while but given enough training, there's no reason you can't have a modern air force.

May as well buy some tanks too, I think the US is pretty much selling M1's on wholesale these days. Leopard 2s are supposedly expensive to maintain.

Before all that, I think you might want to work on your central bank system, 25% inflation a year isn't healthy. Economies like that end up using just barter or money from other countries, both of which don't really help growth. Something like a dollar / euro peg. Or be futuristic and go full on cryptocurrency.

>>32798434
>A modern nation without a good military deterrent won't remain being so for long.

Asserted unsupported conclusion. WHO are your enemies?

If you wanted cost effective defense you'd invest in ground power, ATGW and SAMs. Aircraft are amazingly expensive to operate, which is why wogs who buy very nice US and Russian systems get rekt against anyone good. That expense also takes away money you could put to better use elsewhere.

My F-16 foreign salesbro used to laugh about countries like Egypt pissing away money on fighters, but of course the US or Russia will cheerfully accept the cash.

>>32798727
Not to mention Kfirs dont have BVR capabilities and are old as fuck

>>32798518
>No one in South America can oppose them

Who can they usefully employ those vehicles against? Anyone worried should just spent the same amount on Kornets and marshmallows. Kill the Leo and IFV, then toast the marshmallows. No APS means even pretty tracks are missile bait, and how much of SA is real tank country?

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>>32798702
>>32798597
If you're worried about maintenance, don't buy Russian. Unless you're keen on sending back engines to Moscow for refurbishment far too often.
>>32798727
The refurbished Kfirs would have AESAs. I'm pretty sure if the Russians were selling AESA planes they'd market it as a Mig-35, not a -29.

More to the point, there is not a lot of evidence are actually capable of building a working, reliable AESA. "Radar reliability" is one of those recurring complaints have about the PAK-FA and the Mig-35 hasn't actually entered service despite having been around forever.
>>32798751
They'd have new build engines and modern avionics, so certainly BVR capable.

>>32798575
>The problem is political will.

The problem is a use for a modern military with sophisticated expensive shit instead of dispersing the funding in useful systems. How about explaining a STRATEGIC reason to waste money?

I live in the king of waste, the US, and am mildly involved in military sales. Customers lose their tiny minds over tech but can't be arsed to professionalize their troops. Saudia Arabia gets waxed by Houthis daily because of their attitude.

>>32798739
Good suggestions but I don't think the Swedes would sell us Gripens, there was a negotiation for them but it was vetoed by the British because they make some of the internal components. They would also veto Eurofighters.

Best options would be F-16s, which the USA has offered several times in the past (I don't know if watered down or not), or going Russian which they'd happily accommodate us if the money is on the table.

As for the training we are a Major Non-NATO Ally of the USA, we did training against them in the 1990s, it would certainly be an option if we bought F-16s.

The inflation is expected to come down, all the measures the new government has taken go in that direction, it's a leftover from the previous government's mess.

>>32798765
>Mig-35
That is an airframe upgrade, you can stick AESAs in MiG-29Ks and MiG-29Ms if you want. Even SMTs would accept it.
>"Radar reliability" is one of those recurring complaints
From who? Its a lemon right?

>>32798597
>I bet the Kfirs will be a really bad deal to maintain due to their age and closing down spare part pool.

Israel could easily offer spares in the contract. Older aircraft are often easy to maintain if their source supports them. (Old USAF maintainerfag here.)

Whatever you buy, cut a good local support deal for as much as you can and order enough fucking ready spares to maintain sortie rates! If you don't fly often enough to train pilots you're fucked. (Iraq was an example, twice!)

>>32798765
New engines and modern avionics on an aging and obsolete airframe is useless tbqh. Kfir is only a jewish meme designed to scam stupid countries like Colombia, Ecuador or Argentina

>>32798803
If you aren't fighting first world nations with serious air forces the game is very different. South American air forces only need jets for military parades. Otherwise buying a shitload of transports and Tucanos with a few helicopters makes much more sense. Counterinsurgency and anti-drug ops are reality, while nation-state wars are wildly unlikely.

>>32798838

Its all about las Malvinas

The bongs are too strong for Argentina to face right now. In a few years they will have F-35s

Maybe in a several decades the Britain's demographics shift, Argentina night have a chance against them. Muslims aren't too good at fighting conventional wars anyways.

>>32798899
Wasted dubs, you have no idea how anti-war the political opinion here is. Nobody is going to even dream of repeating that fiasco.

Not that we could even if we wanted to.
Not even with Su-35s

>>32798784
>From who? Its a lemon right?
The Indians, sorry, I left that out.

It's interesting reading Indian media reports about the PAK-FA, their air force are NOT happy about the plane. I almost wished I could read Hindi.

>>32798080
Their economy collapsed twice in one decade

>>32798964
Just once in 2002.
2014 was just the previous government chimping out against holdout creditors from the 2002 crisis, but the economy was growing.

Anyway never go socialist friends.

>>32797896
>White and Arab

wat

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>>32797501
who are you gonna fight, Chile? Do you even need this stuff?

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>>32798579

Why

>>32799221
Well, waiting for a war to upgrade your armed forces is retarded, since maintaining a properly trained, war-ready airforce is a work of decades. Just because there are no possible conflicts today doesn't mean there won't be in the far future.

>>32798211
>britcuck
>argies calling others cuck

Apparently the chinks refused to include C-802 missile package. That's why the JF-17 deal went to shit

>>32797896
Hoo boy, the "Argentina is white, no really guise" shitposting train is leaving the station...

Brazil is probably going to invade a bunch of South American countries and own most of the continent within the next 60 years.

>>32799045
Arabs are Caucasians. They are basically the darker, hairiest version of the white man. When they same Arab though you have to keep in mind that Arabs don't actually represent a large portion of these societies, but still need to be represented.

>>32799958
>brazil vs the rest of south america
who wins?

>>32799986
Not Brazil that's for sure. Brazil might be the powerhouse of the region, but it also has the highest chance of criminal uprisings. Internal politics and lack of resources would cause a shitstorm for the hues

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Not a fighter but didn't Argies just buy some Russian Su-24s? Also what happened to the deal where they were going to buy BR Grippens?

The best fighter for Argentina would probably be the KAI FA-50. It cost 30 million, supersonic, BVR capable. And Korea doesn't have as much pressure from the UK to not sell to Argies.

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>>32799994

No.

>>32800018
Think about the chaos that would ensue in a war, especially when the war is fought with a neighbor, so basically it will be fought in parts of your country. Wars cost alot of money. Money Brazil just barely has. Argentina is amazing at controlling the skies. They duked it out pretty well against the Brits in the Falklands.

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>>32800039
IIRC the only reason they lost was the fucky fuses in the iron bombs they bought from Uruguay. Their Puacara pilots were doing some crazy barnstorming over British ships and hit them more often than not, but most of their bombs didn't explode.

Never trust Uruguay.

argentino here

this guy is a retard:
>>32798575

>>32798575
>could have bought and maintained Rafales
At only $400m per jet!

>>32800355
Disclaimer: Parts, maintenance, and low-tier French missiles not included

>>32800355
The Rafale is €74M per jet fucktard.

In February 2015 Egypt bought 24 Rafales as part of a larger deal (including a FREMM multipurpose frigate and a supply of missiles) worth US$5.9 billion.

>>32801227
I was mainly referencing the "deal" they offered to Brazil, which was an utter buttfuck.

>>32801274
No, you were quoting my post.
Next time don't quote my post since it was correct.

The money the government lost in the 2016 tax cuts could have bought a 24 squadron of Rafales per year.

>>32797501
>I'd be surprised if they have the balls to go Russian. We've never used Russian aircraft.
Russians and Belarusians delivered planes to Iraq for 30 days. LM took 4 years.

>>32797501
Maybe pick up a Granit or two, maybe Brahmos too.

Exocet codes, never 4get, never 4give

>>32798565
>vatnik

>>32800136
Argies really love to justify their failure, huh?

>>32800136
Like, nothing in this is correct

Pucaras didn't attack ships

Fuzes didn't malfunction due to construction error

>>32802215
they act like our media doesn't constantly report on the mass starvation and economic crisis... amazing

>>32800002
>Not a fighter but didn't Argies just buy some Russian Su-24s?
Nope
>Also what happened to the deal where they were going to buy BR Grippens?
Britain said "no", and they contain British tech so that was that

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>>32797501

>>32798781
Bongs really like to keep you down huh
Can't say I really blame them though

>>32798069
I'm sure it nothing to do with Argentina being unable to afford them or unable to meet the technology transfer, secrecy standards.

Typical argentine blaming his countries shortcomings on the big bad empire of pirates.

>>32797501
>2 operational aircraft

Sounds like you guys already are.

>>32797501
Isn't Macri a US puppet? Why would he buy Russian? Sounds like bulls to me.

>>32797501
kinda pointless really.

no one is going to sell you planes capable of taing on the RAF typhoons stationed in the falklands, and none of your regional neighbours has any interest in fighting you.

so you are essentially buying maintenance nightmares that are better than you need for defense but crappier than you need for offense.

hell BAE would probably sell you guys haws at this point which would suffice for air defense and light strike against anybody inclined to actually attack you but are cheaper and easier to maintain than the Migs and not likely to be seen as a threat by the RAF due to the fact that Typhoons would literally eat them alive.

>>32801227

74m Euros (Almost $80m) for the older Rafales that don't have modern integration or systems they currently do and bought IN FRANCE, who essentially deduct their own taxes from it.

Modern Rafales are fucktons more expensive for an export country. Look at Rafale and India, where the price skyrocketed to over $200m a jet, for just flyaway.

But here's the big thing. Arguing flyaway is pointless. Rafale's flyaway cost is shit, but its the SUPPORT costs that kill the Rafale's cost effectiveness. All its parts come from a single country with a single production line and cannot use foreign parts like an American jet or Eurofighter can to cut costs on scale. It's also the worst selling 4.5th gen on the market, further driving up costs due to a lack of mass production. The Rafale is ridiculously expensive to maintain over time because of that, every part costs you fucktons more. It's the same thing as what happened to the NH90, but exchanging incompetancy for overly exclusive parts manufacturing.

Look at Denmark. We didn't even select the Rafale for shortlisting. Eurofighter, F-35 and F/A-18E/F were selected because they had mass manufacturing and that could easily drive down costs from multiple sources.

>>32798580
>Kfir has no BVR capability
>somehow better than a Su35

I want what you're smoking

>>32798899
Have you seen how heavily defended the Falklands is? It has a huge SAM network including garrisoned troops and aircraft.

>>32798794
Considering how Israel likes to keep old equipment around 'just in case', I wouldn't be surprised if they have both the spare parts and the tooling to produce them sitting around. Would make the deal more expensive, but give the Argies a strategic asset.

>>32798211
>So they can take back the falklands from the britcucks

It was never theirs... so it isn't taking back anything, but just simple invasion.

>>32800002
>Also what happened to the deal where they were going to buy BR Grippens?

Brits didn't give export permissions for radar, IRST, ejection seat and bunch of other components.

>>32800136

There was nothing faulty in the bombs. Argentine air force just failed to set fuses properly. Training issue, not equipment issue.

>>32799508
Not him but i will answer.

Brazilian terrain is terrible for tank warfare, hills, rivers, more rivers and few more rivers and few more hills.

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>>32797501
Aren't the 29s thirsty as fuk? Like, you need the center drop-tank to get a 30/45 minute sortie or something?

Can't be a good thing, seeing as how things are handled in a rather shoddy way over here. Would expect incidents relating to the stabilizer roots being weak, too...

>>32802215
Anon pls dun buli

True, many of my compatriots won't admit to our own fuckups, but there are some of us who will readily bitch about it louder than you can ever hope to call on our bullshit, too

>>32798434
>A modern nation without a good military deterrent won't remain being so for long.
You're not going to war.

Even with Trump asleep at the wheel, we won't let it happen.

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>>32802830
As a rule, Russian planes don't need external fuel tanks. Mig-29 without them has range about 1500km.

>>32799221
>need

SHALL

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>>32797896

No, disrespect, but only 15?

They should go for 1000 over 5 or 10 years, or Buy half of an F-35 atleast.

>>32802914
That's a tech order max range profile, not using any AB at all. Use any sort of afterburner and perform in a combat profile and it has one of the lowest combat radiuses of any 4th gen fighter.

>The Fulcrum only carries a few hundred more pounds of fuel internally than an F-16. That fuel has to feed two fairly thirsty engines. The jet doesn't go very far on a tank of gas. We figured on a combat radius of about 150 nautical miles with a centerline fuel tank. This included a high subsonic cruise out to its area-of-responsibility, about 2 minutes of afterburner and a high subsonic cruise back to base.
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/how-to-win-in-a-dogfight-stories-from-a-pilot-who-flew-1682723379
Worth a read if you have the time.

The flanker is a different case, that is actually a jet that doesn't need any drop tanks to fulfill a combat role with a decent combat radius.

Obamacare HAHA!!!

>>32797896
I used to be all "argies aren't white", met a white as snow argie chick recently. I dunno man, there are a few that are white I'm sure

>>32802505
Kfir do have BVR capability with Derby missile

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The Kfir 'reburb' is a joke, look at all the other South American countries like Ecuador or Colombia that bought into Israel's "Zero Flight Hours" refurbishment where they PROMISE to bring the airframe back to 'new', that's fucking IMPOSSIBLE the stress on an airframe is tremendous. we're talking about planes built in the 70s here! You can stick all the great AESA radar, Derby BVR missiles, refurbished engines, these planes are a joke DON'T GET THEM, it's putting lipstick on a pig.

>>32798757
Our most valuable economic resource right now are the mines up the north, which are placed on a wasteland of pure plain desert. I'd say it's pretty much tank warfare heaven.

>>32798211
Considering that Britain basically has no functioning navy at this point it'll be pretty funny.

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>>32803492
>Considering that Britain basically has no functioning navy at this point it'll be pretty funny.

Maybe you're confusing them with Canada.

>>32803007
Oh look, the same old story about German 9.12 models.

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>>32803485
>Buying from the jew
Who on earth is this dumb?

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>>32803492
>saying one of the world's two blue water navies isn't a navy

Stay desperate

>>32803520
Holy shit you guys are inferior to the US coast guard.

>>32803538
you

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>>32803520
>British "navy"

>>32803555
>>32803538

Image doesn't include the RFA, which is what makes the RN so good.

>>32803555
>unironicaly thinks hull numbers are more important than quality of ships, crews and ability to project power.

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>>32803571
I posted the image and yes it does.

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>>32803577
>British "quality"

>>32803581
Oh, shit.

I've seen one that was identical that didn't.

Oh well, still better than russian tubs.

>>32803586
I could post images of the multiple LCS and Zumwalt breakdowns, but I won't.

You're trying too hard.

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>>32802289
Spotted the Chilean
Stay poor and ugly

>>32803571
>civilian-manned fleet engaging in anti-piracy and anti-drug smuggling operations
>Staff 1,850 personnel
>Fleet 10 ships
Much game changer, very wow.

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>>32803586

Thanks for proving that you know nothing about the issue.

1. a Type 45 has never had to return to port with a power or propulsion failure

2. the issue only arises in a specific set of circumstances that are easily avoided.

3. it is not possible for the issue to effect combat operations as both turbines would be running

4. they are the most reliable IEP ships afloat

5 this issue is caused by an american component

6. you're ass blasted about us having the world's best air defence destroyer.

>>32803597
A fleet of oilers and auxilary ships that enables global power projection?

Yeah, its the difference between blue water and shitwater navies.

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>>32803607
British "destroyer".

>>32803597
this is literally what makes the Royal Navy a blue water navy, the Russians and Chinese would love to have that capability.

You're also glossing over the ability for the UK to take up ships from trade.

48 hours after the Falklands were invaded the UK organised, assembled, supplied and dispatched an invasion fleet that would project power to the other side of the world with no allied support.

In that weekend 50 civilian ships were inspected, brought back to port, unloaded, upgraded re-crewed and sent on their way to the south Atlantic.

there has never been such a mobilisation at such short notice.

>>32803628

>doesnt know T45 and T26 are getting strike length MK41 cells with LRASM

>thinks because a replacement hasn't be announced in early 2017, there will be no replacement in late 2018

It's cute that you dont know how defence procurement works.

Post something new so you can get BTFO again.

>>32800002
>The best fighter for Argentina would probably be the KAI FA-50

t. seo jun

>>32803592
>posting outdated statistics
>is not even in the OECD

Stay white Argentina, remember your whiteness comes from italian and french cucks.

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>>32803638
What capability? To have ocean tankers? Britbong, please. Your navy is a joke.

>>32803656
>there will be
British "argument".

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Eastern bloc is basically giving away MiG-29s at this point

http://defense-watch.com/2017/01/28/serbia-receive-additional-mig-29-fighter-jets-buk-missiles-belarus/

>Serbia to receive additional Mig-29 fighter jets and Buk missiles from Belarus

>The minister added that Serbia will receive the equipment as a gift without making any payments, given that they cover the repair and modernization expenses which are due to be completed in 2018.

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>>32803762
Nice.

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>>32803798

Yes that's 6 refurbished MiG-29s from Russia and 8 from Belarus (probably upgraded to the current Russian air force SMT standard)

https://sputniknews.com/military/201612231048907647-russia-serbia-mig29-deliveries/

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201701281050097038-serbia-get-belarus-fighters-mig/

Is kebab removal impending?

>>32803822
[Kosovo je Srbija intensifies]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaEWJVWiWMQ

>>32798434
>A modern nation without a good military deterrent won't remain being so for long.
A modern nation that's too fucking dumb to do a basic threat assessment will remain in the economic toilet

>>32803586
>>32803628
>>32803746
What about argies navy? What do they have that can challenge the RN?

>inb4 hurr imma not niggers i dunno lol xD

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>>32803895
>What do they have that can challenge the RN?
History. This time there won't be any frogs around to deactivate Exocets.

>>32803895
Nothing anymore. Back in the day they could launch exocets all day from aircraft.

>>32803905
Just so you know that infographic is wrong.

Look up some of the ships with "major/ significant" damage. Shrapnel, some minor fires with no injuries, ship continues operating.

The yellow ones are basically anything that was fired upon.

There are also Argentina vessels that were destroyed and damaged absent, and the UK side is deliberately missing two-thirds of the fleet to make it look worse for the UK.

Also Exocets were not deactivated, all the one Argentina had were functioning.

MI6 bought Exocets to prevent Argentina getting more, and British operatives broke into warehouses with Exocets and disabled them before they could be sold.


This time around we only need a single ship to to destroy the entire argentine fleet and airforce.

>>32803952
Someone needs to add the Argie air force to this infographic, and amend all the British ships that say major damage, but in reality just got hit by some cannon fire.

>>32803996
And maybe add the 8 argentine vessels that were sunk or disabled.

>>32804017
I like how the scale has been altered to make it seem like the little type 21 frigates they damaged were as big and scary as the Belgrano.

>>32803555
>Dat motto

>>32797501
falklands are out of reach for the mig lol

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>>32803508
>we put jew turrets on our Boxers

>>32803905

This is comical.

After the ARA General Belgrano was sunk the ENTIRE Argentina navy ran back to port and never took part in the war again. This is why there's a limit on damage to the navy.

>>32797501
If you don't need an air force what's the big deal?

>>32802441
>Why would he buy Russian? Sounds like bulls to me.

Brits will prevent pretty much every western option, basically only options for Argentina are Chinese or Russian aircraft.

>>32797501
Mig-29s are objectively garbage aircraft. Why the fuck would you want them?

>>32797896
They look white, but their attitude is totally "beaner".
Stupid pride in soccer accomplishments? Check.
Overly sensitive to perceived insults? Check.
Intemittent rule by military junta? Check.
Speak Spanish? Check.
Buys military equipment but won't train, maintain, or use properly? Check.

>>32803520
Didn't they lose ASHM capacity until their Harpoon replacement is finished?

>>32805153
We haven't lost any harpoon capability. All that's happened is that the mod has confirmed harpoon is not being renewed. The replacement has not been announced presumably because contracts have yet to be signed.

>>32805153

Yes / no and >>32805267

The Daring class (Type 45) and the unrefitted Duke class (Type 23) themselves will lose their their Harpoon AShMs. However, all of them will still have one or two helicopters with LLM ( Lightweight Multirole Missile) and the refitted Duke class with have CAMM which has AShM capability.

But given they are both either AAW DDs or ASW FFG, they won't be duking it out with other ships.

Also consider the new Burkes don't have Harpoon fitted either.

>>32803498
Do you think the Russian models using the same engines and airframe has a better combat radius? Please explain.

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>>32805139
Requesting asylum and a dose of freedumbs pls

According to an American defence think tank, the Argentine navy can field between 10-15 ships and its coastguard is running off donations.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/658768/Falklands-Islands-dispute-Argentina-bluster-military-threats-British-sovereignty

Also we all know that their ships are sinking in port etc.

>>32805139
>Stupid pride in football ("soccer") accomplishments? Check.

This is also an extremely white thing.

>>32805664
Yes I'm the OP that's what I said.

It's not due to lack of money though but political will. It's insane how the previous socialist government disarmed the country, tantamount to treason. And all the while screaming about the Falklands, it's as if they were asking for it.

We are talking of a 113.3 billion dollar per year budget of which less than 5 billion went to the military it's insane. All that money wasted on gibs, welfare and retarded shit like free tranny surgeries while the military was losing capabities and collecting rust.

Previous government needs to be jailed for treason. New government needs to grow some balls and put them on trial.

>>32805664
didn't the last government basically murder a judge to keep Iran friendly. Did they not even think to get any Iranian kit?

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>>32805942
They hate the military the US offered them F-16s Block D in 2003 and they rejected the offer and blew all the surplus money on free tranny surgeries and welfare.

They wouldn't accept aircraft even if it was for free, their plan was always disarming the country.

>>32805973
>that map
Oman what the fuck

>>32805419
Later Fulcrum models carry much more fuel internally and use heavily modified engines.

>>32802195
not getting sarcasm

>>32803952
>British "education"
I get that they teach you this in schools, but don't you think buying into imperialist britbong propaganda and history revisionism is just pathetic in the age of the internet?
https://youtu.be/VKkcTpCur7g

>>32806496
>that cartoon
Yes that's what they were spending money on while they were disarming my country. Treasonous clownish socialist snakes.

>>32806513
It looks like it was mage in late 90s though. somehow reminds me of watching VHS with Buzz Lightyear of Star Command: The Adventure Begins.

>>32806434

Yes they have the characteristic "hump" which increases the MiG-29s capability significantly

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>>32808015
Only MiG-29SMT has this hump. Newer models have increased internal fuel capacity without it.

>>32805839
Pfff, trial yes, that's all fine and dandy. And then what, jail? We should flay them alive and parade them through the cities. See how much their ill-gotten money helps them when people are throwing rocks at their bare flesh

When people die from dehydration because they don't want a water well built, so you have to depend on da gubmint bringing you the truck with water, when people die of starvation and easily curable diseases because they don't give two shits about what happens to you save for the day you vote, that should deserve some damn payback

BRB walking off the rage

>>32806496
The Falklands are British, only wish America wasn't war weary so we can have joined in to slap Argentina a new one for invading.

>>32808893

Even if they did attack the bongs, it doesn't sit right fighting Argentina directly. It would be a point for shitty insitutions like the EU and MERCOSUR when American countries start turning on each other, which is why we need to make sure that never happens.

>>32808893
Nice job falling for some obvious bait.

BTW, Reagan was a supporter of the military dictatorship, Argentines didn't choose to invade, their CIA puppet did

Why does every discussion about Argentina end up being about a war that happened 35 years ago? Nobody gives a fuck about the fucking Falkland islands.

>>32805783
Where? Where is soccer the ONLY thing a nation takes pride in?
LAtin America

>>32809928
We also take pride in our Nobel Prize winners, writers, our education system and a lot of other things. I doubt you've ever talked to an Argentinian, you heard a bunch of stereotypes of "latin america" over the net and just stuck with that.

But if you ever need a bypass surgery remember to thank us.

>>32808064
Damn I wish my country get them SMT upgrade instead of prematurely retiring the Migs

>>32805973
>Oman
When your gdp is $14 and a dried up camel

Mig-29 is shit, who cares.

>>32801227
>5.9 billion
/24=245m per rafail
silly frogs can't even math

>>32809928
>ONLY
Stop moving goalposts.
You must never have discussed football with euros I'm sure.

>Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can ensure you it is much, much more important than that.

Also argues have the two best players in the history of the game, they have also won two WC so it's just natural to be proud of it.

>>32811357
*Argies
*Assure

Nice. They should get some aerial refueling planes too.

>>32797501
>If our new Conservative, pro-Western government actually has the balls
>if they have the balls to go Russian

They will just wait for the Brazilian Gripens, and then get handful without Albion being able to do anything.

If you need something to fill the gap before the Gripens are ready, F-16 makes more sense.

>>32811429
Still Brit tech. Export laws are a bitch.

>>32811429
1/3 of gripen is british made, so no. Even if somehow the hues could offer brit-free birds for argies, the level of customization would skyrocket the price, there's no guarantee that Embraer could offer technologically superior alternative to british equipment (hell, even the ejection seat) and the argies are left with neutered gripen (which isn't even as capable as A/B model) yet cost twice the original price

Getting FA-50 (or even better, join the KF-X initiative) would be better. FA-50 has comparable size and performance as Gripen, and countries can choose the level of sophistication for their bird.

FA-50 come with standard APG-67 radar (which shares the architecture with argies Pampa aircraft) but they could choose better radar like Elta 2032 (which means it could fire both phyton and derby AAM as well as provision for Litening targeting pod) or even go full retard with APG-83 (essentially radar on F-16 block 52+ and even block 60)

>>32809342
>Why does every discussion about Argentina end up being about a war that happened 35 years ago?

Because it's the only reason the developed world knows that your county exists.

>>32802942
>darkerthanblack.jpg

>>32803762
>>32803822
Ivan is unreliable. Of course they are giving their shit away almost for free, because if you want to keep it operational, you are their bitch then.

Serbia doesn't have much choice though, because after the '99 any government wanting to buy American planes would lead to removing of said government.

>>32803713
Kek'd

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>>32803577
this lol you don't need a big navy to beat the brits at all

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>>32803822

>Is kebab removal impending?

How much more do you you want serbia to shrink for fucks sake?

>>32803822
>>32803822
Bosnia is under NATO and EU protection, even with the ramshackle state of European armies the Serbs will just get their shit pushed in.

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argie migs vs brazilian gripens
who wins

>>32803752

Go look up "Maritime Future Offensive Surface Warfare capability" at the recent Royal Navy Complex Weapons EP presentations of future capability to learn how wrong you are.

Basically, Harpoon Block I retires in 2018. MFOSW is the program for the interim weapon to replace it. FC/ASW is the program for the British/French designed replacement for MFOSW in 2030.

To get an idea of what MFOSW is going to be, you only need to look at the British forces now and soon. They're getting P-8 Poseidons, and they are still fitting and maintaining Harpoon rails. Given the P-8 uses Harpoon Block II, then it's pretty fucking obvious what MFOSW is for.

Given the P-8 won't be delivered until 2019, they are very very clearly waiting to make a bulk buy of Harpoon Block II to reduce costs, by combining the P-8 and ship purchases.

Of course, this is all a little too complicated for the press to understand, so you get the whole OMG NO MISSILES HURRRR headlines.

>>32812602
>They even carved out the weird looking penis
Damn that's some dedication.

>>32803555
>Russian navy

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We all know the MiG-29 is an aging, design and any monetary savings will quickly be eaten up by it's short lived maintenance hungry engines and the logistics nightmare of using Russian weapons platforms for the first time .

A better choice would be the KAI FA-50, a much newer design, newly built, with options for AESA radar, Derby BVR missiles and modern electronics and countermeasures

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>>32811856
Argentia is fairly developed though
I think they are first in South America and ahead of much of Europe at least

>>32811429

Good luck financing integration of alternate radar, IRST and fuck load of other British stuff for handful of planes. UK won't be issuing export permits without Argentinians completely renouncing their claims for Falklands.

>>32811856

Football. Argentine is relevant every time there is world cup.

>>32813537

They are ahead of Ukraine, Belarus and some parts of former Yugoslavia that had civil wars in 90's. To put it into context, few decades ago they were economically ahead of all of Europe.

>>32813743
Even ahead of the scandinavian countries?

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>>32813743
>They are ahead of Ukraine, Belarus and some parts of former Yugoslavia
Also ahead of Portugal, Hungary, the Baltics, etc.
They are not doing that bad imho.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

>>32809928
Look at hockey and football fans. Especially when they riot

>>32813823
>Also ahead of Portugal, Hungary, the Baltics, etc.
ahead of states who were isolated under authoritarian regimes less than half a century ago
fuck, even the broke ass greeks are ahead of them

>>32813785

Yes. Only Sweden got away without having to deal with negative aspects of WWII, they got better off from it as they traded with both nazis and allies.. Norway wasn't rich until north sea oil became relevant in 70's. Nordic countries were well behind all of central Europe in early 1900's.

>>32813823

That depends largely on metric. There is some variance depending do you use HDI or GDP per capita (PPP). Argentina is depenging on source of data roughly at same level as ex-communist eastern Europe.

Their economic development has been pretty stagnated since 50's. You can blame that on populists and military dictatorships.