New production STGs

>>32795225
You must live under a rock then.

>>32795225
It's a weird STG imitation more of, takes HK trigger packs. I'm sure it'll be fine, but they're literally designing a new gun at this point.

>>32795225
They're shit and do you lease a room in the basement of a rock that lives under a rock?

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>>32795225
>it's another shill and MAC episode
not even an stg at this point, pretty much an hk33 that looks almost like an STG at 100 feet

Yeah, youre behind. On K, it always boils down to two camps:
>looks like shit
>looks good enough

>>32795279
>>32795295
Kinda. I didn't have internet for a year or so, so I just started coming back here in august.

>>32795301
>it's another shill and MAC episode
I don't watch youtube gun channels. Except carnikcon.

shit gun
looks like hell, almost none of the small details match, which means it's useless for reenacting or people who actually care about history
the operating mechanism is different too (I personally care less about this part)

it's also heavy and expensive, so it's not a practical rifle

it's just a toy for naziboo/wehraboo idiots who want to play Schutzstaffel dress up

oh, and the multi-caliber thing is retarded

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>>32795370
pic related

>>32795382
it's like they didn't even use pictures of the original when they made that

>>32795411
They're using HK trigger packs for convenience.

>>32795382
Hmm. I didn't know what the other side looked like.

>>32795411
the worst part, they apparently paid a shitload for original plans

they say the plans were incomplete and didn't include material specs or tolerances/clearances information, but that doesn't excuse the artistic liberties they took with this design

the owner has suggested reenacting with these, which is insanity

>>32795428
honestly, using HK internals doesn't bother me overmuch since they'd have to change the trigger mechanism so that it can't fire FA anyway, but they could have made some attempt to get the stampings looking good

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>>32795445
about like this

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>>32795460
compared to this

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Hill and Mac Gunworks

quality replicas since 2017

>>32795490
What the fuck.

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>>32795490
> that abomination on the bottom

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>>32795446
>they say the plans were incomplete and didn't include material specs or tolerances/clearances information
the plans can be found on google, original plans can be looked at Sig Sauer or the military archive in Germany
literally jew, just wanting to make money. even a G3 with a banana mag would look more like the original

>>32795529
>>32795533
>Durr hurr let me take this out of context and act like an idiot
Never change /k/
On the off chance you really don't know, they're having small runs of "alternative" history stg44 repos that are suppose to gauge interest in modernized stg44's

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>>32795570
I actually like the look of these rebel ROTJ guns, but admittedly it is a little jarring to see those configurations at first

>>32795570
why?
why not make a decent replica first before designing these abortions and multi-caliber tomfoolery?

>>32795301
>pretty much an hk33 that looks almost like an STG at 100 feet
I forgot that the hk33 used a piston.
>But it uses an H&k trigger!
kill yourself

>>32795301
There is nothing about this gun resembling an HK 33.

>>32795411
They didn't cared.

STG's trigger group is a mess so they figured out - hey, lets' pick HK's tg it's more optimal.

It's kinda like the idea to modernise some old guns. Let's say Chauchant.

We need to convert it to modern cartridge first(doable), redesign the magazine and magazine well(probably lose capacity in the process because it won't be so curved), make little bit better bipod and hey - we should at least make it short recoil operated rather than long recoil operated, long recoil is unreliable and kinda shit.

Oh well we've got completely different gun.

So maybe we should modernise SKS? Remove the stock, modify it to take magazines, shorten the barrel a little bit, put more "modern-looking" furniture oh geee we've got something resembling Vz 58, how did that happen?

If you want to make repros then make fucking repros. If you're really trying to fix something at least don't make it visible(some M1 Carbine repors actually make it a little tiny bit more reliable and externally look exactly like originals).

>>32795675
nah, repro M1 carbines are pretty junk
the only good ones use USGI surplus parts or cost a bunch and change nothing

>>32795675
They never said they were out to make a 1:1 replica, desu. The video series they did with Ian makes clear the design liberties they took and why.

>>32795690
I don't doubt they have their reasons, it's just that their reasons are stupid and compromise any authenticity the gun had and leave it as an overweight, overhyped, horrible looking toy for Naziboos

>>32795690
Give me link, I know it's on Inrange but I don't want to look for it.

Lol I wonder how reliable it will be though

>>32795700
And if they had gone 1:1, as other companies have, it would have been priced out of the range of anyone but the most dedicated reenactor, collector, or wehraboo. The German repros that were imported by PTR were like $5,000 a pop.

>>32795721
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSz6dl94t1I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e26eeLHwo0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR3Jz_bcai8

>>32795736
There's a lot of Middle Ground between doing a perfect 1:1 replica like sports system Dietrich and PTR did and this a portion of an $1,800 piece of shit

They can change the internals and materials and the manufacturing methods used without altering the external appearance nearly as drastic as they did

Tell if they would have taken all the time they spent making the gun accept 3 new calipers and put it towards making the stampings on the trigger group book right they have a gun people could use for reenacting and would actually be relatively affordable

>>32795700
if you are really that insistent on realism you can get one of the SSD guns which is a direct copy from original pieces... you will also pay $4500 or more if you live in Germany because the ATF won't allow them to be imported. are the reasons stupid the legal reasons are, if it was something changed for a reason other than legality, it was done for ease of manufacturing which allows it to be priced at the range it is so maybe stupid if you have another option.

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>>32795382
An attempt was made

>>32795760
Looking at the pictures more I agree with this guy.
They took the time to add in the stamped but didnt take the extra 10minutes to even try to make it look the same.
I get making internal changes and using different parts but they totally could have made the stampings match much better than they did.

I preordered one. Requested my refund in December and got it. Bought 2 working guns instead

>>32795843
Another big part of it for me is the mag Loan Max being distorted because they decided to offer it in a bunch of non original calibers instead of focusing on 8 millimeter short

>>32796176
*magwell
I don't know what happened there

I think they look cool, would love one in X39 sadly they will probably be expensive

>>32795225
Modern """STG's"""

Hope you've got 2 grand lying around, by the way

>>32795382
Ding ding ding. At this point it's just a ploy to scam Naziboos out of 2 grand. Not that I object to that objective mind you.

>>32795471
>>32795460
Damn. That looks nothing alike.

>>32795604
because only 100 re-enactors and 6 guys from /k/ will buy straight repros.

>>32795490
>End my suffering, Hans

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I like how /k/ would rather complain about the gun's looks rather than anything about the damn thing itself.
That being said, I bet my three fiddy bucks that the whole multi-caliber deal is gonna end up biting them in the ass real bad.

>ITT: Assmad wheraboos complaining about muh aesthetics and muh originality.

>>32796733
> because only 100 re-enactors and 6 guys from /k/ will buy straight repros.
Ok, but who would buy then an alternate / modern STG 44?

>new production STGs that take STANAG
What is a modified AK, Alex?

>>32796829
>Gun's entire purpose for existing is to look like another gun
>Looks like total dogshit instead
>This is somehow not a big deal

>>32796733
Well if you aren't in the market for a accurate reproduction, you would be better served buying and arsenal ak or ar. You'd get a much better gun with parts availablity, without the looks that you obviously don't care about

>>32797149
Not this aks have a rotating bolt.

>>32795599
>rebel ROTJ guns
Those ones (A280) were AR15s, the STG ones were the A295s at Echo Base in Empire Strikes Back

I really want an H&M STG now just to dress up as an A295. I didn't even know I wanted one until I saw your post and realized this is more doable now than it ever has been before

>>32797240
This will unirocally probably be the only real use for these things

>>32797162
And why is it looking like dogshit a big deal? Hell, the OG StG isn't exactly a fantastic-looking gun either.
I can't understand why people whine about the thing not being a 1:1 reproduction. It was never meant to be a 1:1 repro in the first place.

>>32797263
>Why is it looking like dogshit a big deal?
>Why is a gun that exists 100% for no other purpose than to look like another gun, not looking like that gun a big deal?
>What does it matter if a gun can't do the one thing it was meant to do?

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>>32797263
Then what's the point? Just buy a different gun if you don't care if it looks like the gun is supposed to look like?

>bro it's a new testarossa!
>that looks nothing like a real testarossa
>bro are you autistic lol it's basically a testarossa lol you just don't get it

>>32797373
dude just buy an AR lmao xDD

>>32797386
Really. If you don't care about how this thing looks why waste the money when you can buy literally any gun at the same price point proven to work. You could get an AR or AK, a sig, hk33 tons of shit. What's the point of a 1,500 reproduction of a gun that nothing like what it's reproducing?

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

I don't get the autistic sperging about this rifle. It was never marketed to be an exact one to one replica of an original STG44 because doing so would make it too expensive to be worth manufacturing. Instead they have decided to do the reasonable thing and update the design to be easier to manufacter, thus bringing prices down into a more agreeable pricing bracket.

I do have an interest in owning an STG44, but I am not willing to pay $4000+ to get one. These rifles are much closer to my price bracket and are close enough in design and aesthetics to meet my expectations. I can understand a serious collector not wanting one, but as a casual collector it's good enough for me.

>4 different calibers, 2 for poorfags
>looks like a STG but with rails and can mod the stock
>almost $2k

Does it include the MAGA hat for all the alt right fan boys who will buy this for larping at the range?

>>32797373
it looks as good as it needs to, sure autistic idiots like you will sperg out over insignificant aesthetic differences, but your tears of poorfag rage is what keeps this board going

>>32797977
>Poorfag
Lol if you and the rest of the idiots preordering this shit were rich you'd have bought real STG's :^)

>Make a gun
>Spend years developing it
>Spergs on the internet foam at the mouth to own one
>The left side has 3 lines instead of 5
>Spergs on the internet throw a fit

>>32797263
This. It's got to be like, 6 people same fagging.

>>32797662
>at the range
If you consider the streets a range, then yes. Because someone has to curb these riots, and tye police arnt doing ehat needs to be done.

>>32797263
when we say it looks like dogshit, we're talking about the historicity

>>32797263
For a stamped gun the original STG sure had a fuckton of unnecessary stamping

>>32797486
Agreed

>>32798121
this

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>>32798522
>historicity
that must be a similar discipline to nameology

>>32795490
>STG with holo sight, tacticool stock and mag and muzzle break

J
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S
T

>>32797373
Fuck yeah, Pontiac Fiero!

>>32798865
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity
I didn't use a slight incorrectly though

>>32797373
just buy an AK, it's literally just a modernized STG

>>32799369
No it isn't even the FAL is closer.

>>32795324
Carnikcon hasn't been a thing for almost three years.

>>32799512
Supposedly Dugan's coming back.

>>32796733
Normally I would agree with you, but I was at a gun show last weekend and I found ppu 7.92 kurz before I found what I was looking for ( 7.63 Mauser)
> iirc it was cheaper too
Just because of that I would buy one

>>32799547
it is only $0.75 a round
less than botique .325 Remchesterby Super Short Ultra Magnum

>>32799544
Oh shit. That'd be awesome.

>>32799554
For kurz or Mauser? I found my Mauser for $.58 a round (walked by a stand a few minutes later that had it at $.48/round). But my threshold for "expensive" is lower for fmj pistol ammo than rifle ammo.

>>32799586
for 8mm Kurz
$0.75-$1 a round is typical
price will probably go up a bit if this HMG "StG" doesn't flop harder than a catfish

>>32799512
What's your point?

>>32799596
Would it get permanently higher? Or would it just be a sort of rise then fall with supply catching up to demand?

>>32800361
dunno
if they were selling a shitload, PPU would probably make more

>>32799512
>>32799743

Not trying to be a dick but I just don't watch youtube unless I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with my car and how to fix it.

>>32799596
I have 300 rounds of Privi waiting for the guns to go out before I sell them. I bought ammo expecting my gun last july and have since cancelled

>>32795689
> has never heard of fulton armory or their glorious line of rifles.

>>32795700
Wouldn't complete replicas be more appealing to naziboos than a weird new thing

The whole thing is just bizarre. I understand using a more available trigger pack and offering it in an alternative more attainable caliber, but offering it in THREE alternative calibers (one of which is fucking .300 memeout of all things, as if people are going to be using something like this for late night suppressed hog shooting when you can get a .300 upper for $400) and then going on to hint at railed tactical versions in the future is just the strangest case of feature-creep Ive ever seen. Do they expect this to really take off in the civilian semi rifle market or something? If it were a bigger company I could put it down to executive meddling, but HMG seems to be a 3 man outfit so IDK.

>>32802529
Agreed.
They could have made a better replica version and then afterwords put out their stormtrooper meme-models.
And the only reason they are using an Hk pack is because they are too lazy to make a simple fire control that would allow the lower to look original.

I kind of want to get one and hope that some aftermarket will put out better lowers and receivers.

>>32802529
Highly agreed. It just looks like they saw a few tacticool StG renders and said, 'dude let's make this shit lmao'. The thought behind it is nice and all, but the idiots have no common sense at all, do they?

>>32802442
yeah
Fulton armory costs a bunch and changes nothing

>>32795490
Since it's not original
I actually really like the one on the bottom
Has a star wars vibe to it

>>32804436
yeah
honestly, that's one thing these will be perfect for is making A280 blasters

>>32804545
Maybe future star wars movies won't have to rip off AR's.

>>32797255
And is that really such a bad thing?

>>32795689
My Auto Ordnance M1A1 carbine looks great, feels good in my hands, shoots really tight groups, and can't make it through a single magazine without a malfunction. Its goddamned frustrating.

Personally I think they look pretty good for repros, I'm not so autistic that I need every little line and pin to be in the right place, it's a fair shot at an StG repro. I just don't want to pay $2k for one.

>>32805322
>autistic
this isn't pin diameters being wrong or one or two dimples out of place
they changed the entire look of the lower half of the gun

>>32795288
I mean HK trigger packs are so close to the STG triggers that they even share the same dimensions.

>>32795225

> New production STG's in modern cartridges that take STANAGs?

How is that at all appealing..?

If you want a plinker that vaguely looks like an StG why not just get the .22 GSG clone, which is a shell over a 10-22 action.

>>32805778
>10/22 action
stop this fucking meme
not every .22 lookalike is a 10/22 underneath and most aren't

>>32795382
The bottom looks better. If you don't like it, you're a wehraboo.

>>32795309
Did you play WaW as a /k/ommando, by any chance?

>>32795382
They were upgrading/updating the design. Not making a 1/1 replica. If they were doing that, you'd have a gun that has some serious issues that would bite you in the butt later on down the road

>>32806710
Reading the thread no one is complaining and most seems to support the upgrade of the internals. People don't like the fact that it doesn't resemble the original, the overall shape notwithstanding.

>>32795225
they accept (for the appropriate caliber) STANAGs, Original STG mags, any AR-15/M16 mags. They are even making their own STG-looking mags for all calibers, which would be coming later

>>32806754
I can understand that to some extent, but just because the external body doesn't look exactly like the original, doesn't make it Ugly or not worth shooting. Even if it doesnt have all the bumps and ridges, I think it still looks cool

Anybody else notice that only case being made against the gun is Autistic Screeching?

Get over it, nerds.

>>32806764
It will NOT work with original STG mags. The magwell has been lengthened to allow for STANAGs and the magazine latch is on the opposite side from the original.

>>32806828
Oops! Sorry for the misinformation

>>32806782
I don't like the color they chose for the stock and handle. It also looks plasticy to me for some reason. To shiny maybe. Regardless, if it doesn't resemble the original there is no point in buying from my point of view. I can afford it but I could by 3 to 4 semi autos for the price of that weapon. It isn't going to perform any better then any given gun out there so if it doesn't look right why bother?

>>32806796
Considering naziboo autism is the only appeal of the gun and it doesn't even tick that box, autistic screeching is a pretty valid case.

Get over it, Mac.

>>32806844
>>32806873
Agreed. I still kind of want one just because it is close. There will probably be a a market for more original looking lowers and the receiver itself might be able to be fixed to look more original. The stock can be dyed to look darker pretty easily.
Suck though. Should not have to do all that work.

>>32806574
WaW was the first online game I played and it is the reason I bought a 360.

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>>32795225
>MFW I've had a preorder on one day 1
>MFW it's in 7.62 X 39
>MFW I can't wait to swap out the furniture with better repro furniture
>MFW I'll post it on here next to my MG34 and SMG FG42
>MFW I can't wait to see and taste the delouse collective autistic meltdowns off all the poorfags and wehraboos on here

SOON!!

>>32809358
The better furniture will help but the exterior metal work will still look poor.

>>32809358
>>32809358
Lets see the mg34 and fg42

>>32795225
I bought one of these with a normal 556 barrel and a 13'' 300 barrel. You can go a short as 8'' I think.

>>32809358
Won't the wehraboos be in support.

>>32809358
>claims to own an FG42
>does not post pictures

M8 I'm just trying to bust a nut, help me out

>>32795382
>I'll post it every thread forever
You've already been told that you're using an early prototype on the bottom, and it does use the HK trigger pack. You can probably mount the correct aesthetic piece over the outside/replace in the vast majority of these situations.

>>32802529
It's a 7 man outfit actually. Well originally before they hired more people to help complete all the orders.

The 7 main guys though are all /k/ommando/k/unts. They thought they'd be selling this to a few hundred people tops and just made the STG so it suited their SHOOTING needs.

Basically, this is a pet project of some gun nerds that had sales go out of control.

>>32795301
So you would rather have a gun that had spotty quality control and had a fixed life expectancy?

I'm not saying we can't make one with our technology that will last a bit longer but the design was not meant to be a long lasting rifle. Overall I think the HMG rifle is the best we can ask for based on our consumer market.

>>32803345
Bitch, don't you dare fucking talk shit about the HK trigger pack. I'm getting the binary HK trigger pack from FA and shoving it into this STG.

Yeah bitch. Echo/binary fire.

>gonna carry that weight
>so make use of it

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>>32809481
>>32809762
here's a older pic of some of my stash

>>32809946
Fucking so? Don't brag that you're too much of a poorfag to get a transferable HK auto pack. So instead you have to settle for a meme pew-pew trigger.

HMG used an HK pack because that was one less thing they had to design. They were lazy. They could have made a semi lower that looked a lot closer to the original, but instead they forced an HK pack in there to claim that "dis is wat der Germans wud hab done, if dey wern't so bad at everything. lol XD"

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>>32810173
Thanks to the ATF the STG will not be able to work with the auto pack unless you make some mods

I was going to buy one of these until I took a closer look and compared it to an original. I could give a shit how the internals work, and I could live with some cosmetic difference, but come on, the stampings are nowhere close. They look like a dollar store toys attempt to vaguely replicate an STG44.

>>32804436
>>32804545
We have just discovered a decent use for the HMG Sturmgewehr

>>32810040
aesthetic/10 my dude

>>32795490
Say what you fuckers want but the one on the bottom looks fly as fuck, was also thinking about getting the pistol version, silver soldering a fake can on UF stock, book
>Krinkgewehr

>>32810040
>zero AR-15s

>>32810265
This was just what I could get out of the vault, believe me bro I got a whole stash of them too along with garands, M14s...

>>32810277
mm sounds like a nice collection

>>32806914
I'm a strong critic of the what HMG did with this gun, but even I would buy one if better lowers were available

>>32810312
The upper is the serialized part, so Someone can *in theory* make a new lower casing. Also apparently the owner siad that with a few mods you can use an original lower

>>32795675
They couldn't use the original STG trigger pack because when combined with the original designs of the receiver, it's stupidly easy to make FA, and guess what the ATF mandates if you want to keep your daughter not blind?

That a gun be unable to convert to full auto firing without a certain amount of difficulty. Thus why fucking Uzis get a bar welded to the receiver, why not having a third hole in your AK and having an .2 by .2 square in your AR lower being filled, let's you even OWN them.

The original STG is the same case, and falls into the category of the Uzi, Sten and PM63.

If they don't make these radical reworks, not only will the gun beat itself to death, but the ATF will give them a one way trip.

>>32810173
You sound like a huge, whiney Faget and you got sour grapes.

>>32810423
nobody criticizing the gun opposes the internal changes
it's the outward appearance that was fucked

>>32810227
I guess from my point of view, I'm glad the aesthetics are reminiscent of the original on what is a hotrodded, modern direct descendant. I like how old stock antique cars look, AND. I like modern total repros with new production fiberglass parts and wildly better engines. I prefer if the aesthetics are "of the same family."

The HMG STG is much closer to the original STG in looks than the average hotrod is to its original.

My point is all levels are sufficiently high for some serious fun.

>>32810338
The lower is DEFINITELY the "firearm"

t. I bought one and some separate barrels.

>>32796176
But most of us want the options on calibers you fucking sperg.

>>32796601
You can check the prices right now... Are you not in the US?

>>32795382
Is all this freaking the fuck out over some stamp lines not being exactly long enough or fat enough?

Holy fucking shit you slack jawed noguns faggots, all firearms have variety in aesthetics like this happen across enough models and variations.

At least it's a real fucking firearm and not a goddamned 22 peashooter that costs $5k. I haven't seen a totally custom semiauto made this cheap, in I don't fucking no how long.

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>>32810535
are you sure? it looks like the upper receiver is the serialized part. buying separate barrels isnt germane unless theyre complete uppers.
of course, im just going by photos here.

>>32810423
For most closed-bolt guns it comes down to 1) make sure there is no auto sear and 2) make sure a "standard" (original; not DIAS) will not drop in.
For ARs: FA bolts and even trigger components are fine. So long as you cannot install the factory auto sear. (rear or receiver can have proper cavity; but no auto sear pin hole).
For AKs: Fa bolts and even trigger components are fine. So long at you cannot install the factory auto sear. (no 3d pin; right side rail has no cut).
For HK: Fa bolts are ok (not with the newer guns that can have swing down lowers, ATF made them put in a FA bolt blocker), but the lower should mount with a shelf instead of the pin.
Since these have an HK type swing down lower, we can likely assume that ATF mandated that the original lowers do not drop in. That also makes sense since the HMG can supposedly be used with an original FA bolt carrier.

They really only needed to ensure that the original stg auto sear would not drop in to a new lower, and that an original stg lower would not drop in to the new receiver. They didn't really have to do a total rework of the trigger group, but whatever. Hk packs are okay.

>>32810699
Well I can't lay this to rest conclusively for you until my gun arrives. But the talk I had to with the HMG guy when I was buying it sounded like it was following the AR's logic on pistol or SBR.

See, I asked why they have the STG-P model, a "pistol." It seems the pistol lower can receive a longer barrel/upper and buttstock and viola, a regular legal rifle.

As with ARs though, you cannot take the stock off a rifle designated lower , put on a small barrel and call it a pistol. It, legally, only works one way.

Basically for people that want to SBR later on. And the STG-N and the STG-P use the same foregrip, only the STG-K (ready-made sbr) is different there (because it is SO short).

>>32810734
>t. internet lawyer who will totally cover your ass when the ATF come to rape it

>>32810798
Which gun are you questioning? This stuff is pretty common knowledge

>>32810818
I'm questioning whether some cunt on an anime appreciation station is more knowledgeable than a whole company + paid legal advice on how to best avoid ATF buggery.

>>32810839
regardless, the internal changes to the trigger pack could have been made without changing the exterior appearance so much

it's not like it would have been /that/ much harder to do than what they did anyway
it might have increased the cost, but they could have still kept the price point low

>>32810839
Ok. Just ask yourself, did they have to completely redesign the AR15 lower when they made civilian models of the M16? Colt went out of there way to install blocks in the rear of the receiver of the Sp1 rifles, but no one does that anymore because ATF determined that was not necessary.
With HK91, they just cut out the auto sear from the original trigger pack, and made the lower attach with a shelf instead of a pin. They didn't have to completely redesign anything.

>>32810535
No, The Upper is the firearm bro, Just like with HK type firearms the lower is just the trigger housing, the actual firearm is the upper receiver. Don't believe me look at a PTR, CETME, or pic related>>32795471

>>32810868
You know that picture is from a literally unfinished gun the rushed out just to have available for the gunshow? They have changed alot since then, the most bleeding edge recent models are still totally in house.

But anyway, I vaguely remember someone saying you could make the trigger look authentic with some available aftermarket.

I don't care if the lines aren't 100% the same, I never expected it. Only sperg do that.

>>32810879
You're talking apples and oranges. The ATF has most certainly squashed start ups projects like this and killed whole companies in the process.

Can you imagine the tag line of "LEGAL NAZI GUN CAN BE MADE FULL AUTO WITH ONE SMALL PART"

They're probably already clenching their bootyholes against the ever lurking threat of being called NAZIs just cause they like the guns.

>>32805778
Fuck off fag

>>32810910
Does that last pic change numbers with caliber conversion though? I don't think it does.

>>32810950
I mean maybe. But I don't really think they are going to hold this gun to a higher standard since it vaguely resembles a "nazi gun.".
However ATF can be retardedly inconsistent. For example in PS90s and Fs2000s having both a FA bolt and an auto sear is fine, apparently.

>>32810986
That's why they are labeled Multi caliber

>>32810986
>see in pic
>CAL: MULTI
Lots of companies do this with ARs

>>32811005
Almost all ARs are labeled that too, but it still has to be a """"""""pistol""""""""" base lower if you want to go back and forth between rifle and pistol.

So how does the ATF force this on Upper firearms?

>>32811042
It's very simple, the pistol versions of the stg read

>STG- PISTOL
>CAL MULTI

The Rifle versions
>STG-N
>CAL: MULTI

If you put the shorter barrel on w/o the paperwork it's illegal
If you put a stock on the pistol w/o the paperwork it's illegal

It's literally no different then the AR Pistol and rifle lowers / uppers

>>32811076
He means going from pistol config to rifle config and back (legal barrel and oal) is only doable if you have the pistol model.
>legally

>>32811097
Yes it is legal to have a pistol marked lower and put a rifle barrel on and a stock, but not vise versa

As for enforcement it's kinda like the honor system, the same way they enforce not shouldering the sig brace. If your going to be a horses ass and do it and get caught you're on your own

Which .300 AAC barrel is best for supressed? There's 16, 13, and 8.

>>32811227
bump

>>32795689
>repro M1 carbines are pretty junk

Hear that to the same retard that told you they couldn't shoot through chink coat?

>>32811543
Auto Ordnance sucks, so does Universal and Iver Johnson
these days there are companies putting out good rifles, for a long time there was a lot of junk

>>32811679
>Auto Ordnance sucks, so does Universal and Iver Johnson
>These formerly glorious companies
This hurts my soul.

>>32799369
Holy fuck, kill yourself newfag.

>>32810868
Here's something to consider since fucking bulge stamps are apparently so triggering.

Why did the Nazis resort to this method of design?

Why did the Soviets not have to when they were able to roll out stamped AKs?

Why does HK no longer do the same party as before?

Because there was a reason why, I'd assume. When you bulge out metal, in stamping, you trade structural integrity for rigidity. Why was this a common choice for a stamped sheet metal gun?

Because, holy shit, it was the first of its kind. During the time period, sheet metal fabrication sucked shit. It was only soon after that metalgury got good enough that this wouldn't be an issue. This also accounts for the MG42, and it's like, simple firearms that were retardedly heavy.

Now something to consider.

The original STG is a gun well known for beating itself to death. You have okay sheet metal. Heat treatment doesn't do jack and shit because at best, all you can currently crank out is low to medium carbon steel. So what do you do? Design around it.

You trade strength for rigidness because that ultimately serves the trigger pack better.

Now say you're 70 years in the future, you've got some of the original design documents, do you keep the flaw and sell a flawed product that might not work well with the changes?

Or do you make them, deal with Internet autists, and make a product that will never have the same issues?

It's not a difficult question.

>>32811739
the dimples and such don't decrease strength
they strictly add strength

>>32811739
>Internet autists
I feel like the only time I'd echo similar options is if this gun came out when I was a brokeass kid playing cod1. I would definitely want it, but because I can't have it I would pick it apart until I feel like I don't want it anymore.

tl;dr I'd blame sour grapes flavor Caprisun pouch packs before Ice blame the misunderstood and gentle autists.

>>32811779
>>32811739
I legitimately don't understand the appeal of this gun without historical accuracy, at least externally and the mags/magwell and trigger pack are glaring flaws in that

>>32811779
projecting much

>>32811787
Because across all the different models, 42 through many 44s, I see this fitting in fine and I've already owned "real" rifles that /k/ likes that are markedly different externally (not to mention internally) from their intial predecessors.

This isn't attention to detail, it's jealous, cunty poorfags who can't even a pretty cheap gun.

>>32811803
How is it projecting? Do you know what that means?

>>32811879
you've come up with a reason why you'd dislike the gun and assumed that it must be the reason other people don't like it
textbook projection

>>32811866
it is attention to detail though
every small detail on the gun is different

>>32811776
You're fucking STRETCHING OUT the metal asshat, that creates geometry that keeps it RIGID in the same way AKs have dimples, but they more rely on a shit ton of rivets, but when you dimple OUT metal, not BEND it, it weakens the STRENGTH of the assembly, IE how much stress it can handle before shifting the bed, making it prone to wear, and damage, especially in such a volatile system
>Said the mech engineering student

>>32811904
Dumb nigger. Projecting would be if he himself believed something hidden and then assumed it of everyone else. Like how cuckolds like you discuss their fetish as something everyone like them is into but won't admit. It is a coping mechanism.

>>32811904
It is a new firearm, taking as much functionally from the original all STG as was viable. And they even kept the aesthetic.

>>32811931
>kept the aesthetic
but they didn't...

https://www.hmgunworks.com/product/hmg-sturmgewehr-magazine/

holy shit the mags are plastic
hahahahahaha
I'm dying

>>32812001
So are Lancers and Magpul? Pmags are the standard anymore. 5.56 and .300 hold 50 apiece versus x39 and 8mm short being 30.

And these things are pretty cheap for the capacity in the caliber I want.

>>32811954
≥M4 and M4geries don't have the same aesthetic
>just because some parts look a little different

>>32812029
handguard, trigger housing, magazine well, magazines, buttstock

>>32812015
they look awful

>>32812039
>>32812046
k

>>32812101
>sell a weapon that's popular mostly due to its history and looks
>fuck up the historical accuracy of the weapon
>fuck up the aesthetic with plastic mags
They're going to lose at least some of their intended market because of this, it's just a fact.

>>32811920
Now you're projecting jimmy

>>32812196
I would agree that any deviation from perfect 1:1 will create alledged losses, but I still think y'all niggas are getting too far up your own butts about the functionally unimportant stamping lines exact size and shape. Or whether they're pmags or not.

I am pretty sure they will make some metal mags too once they get the guns made, they are buried in work at.

>how can you call it an STG if it doesn't look exactly right
Same way my firebird is still a firebird whether it's from 2000 or 1975, or whether it even has the original body or a custom.

>>32805867
>what is direct blowback

>>32812227
>functionally unimportant
the function is to look like an StG and it fails

>>32812270
The function is to be a true descendant of the STG and pay homage to it. Also the gun should probably be longer lasting.

Wow, that's what happened.

>>32812285
ok, fine
pay $1800
but this rifle isn't for people who really care about the history
this isn't for reenactors
and it isn't for people who want a practical rifle

this is a toy gun that looks kinda like an StG
if what you want is a toy StG-ish gun, then this is the gun for you

>>32812291
Except all those .22 STGs were the toys and they ONLY looked right.

Some changes were made to the original so a not toy, real calibers rifle could be made. Maybe if they had original stamping machine and WARTIME amounts of orders to fill, then I it would be economical to do without some of those changes. But fuck. It looks very close mang.

>>32812291
>only STG copy that isn't a 22
>this is the toy
I think we have very different ideas on what makes it an STG. I believe it should function similarly, have the same roots, and a similar manual of arms. Looks are so secondary but they still made it look like some STG that could have been made back then. I'm honestly surprised it looks so correct when the main goal was to bring the function of the STG (what really makes it what it is) to the modern as best as possible.

By all means, if looking the part is all you need then get a silly 22 mock up. And why not get a fake badge too so you can start that police career you always wanted.

>>32812303
it doesn't look "very close"
it captures some of the overall feel, the basic shape
but it fails on the details

the GSG was also a toy, and it didn't look right either (lots of exposed screws and shit)
this is less of a toy in that it firea centerfire calibers, but it is the same market segment
not for reenactors or serious collectors
it's for people casually interested in German WWII guns

if that's what you want, then fine, but don't pretend the differences are minor details
I wont stop you from buying one, and hell, it'll probably even be funto shoot
but it wont be anything more than that

>>32812356
>it'll probably be great
>but whatever, nothing more than that
Ok.

>>32812317
they're both toys and neither looks good enough for reenacting/collecting
the HMG is less of a toy, but it's still a toy
that's fine, it's just not fine for me

>>32812356
Saying it fails is too much.
I've give it an A- to B -, at the worst.

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>>32812403
>it's gotta be one4one or I don’tike it
I suppose you'd hate a modern C96 Mauser that could handle 7.62tok that looks like pic related.

>>32812405
details? yeah, it fails
every small detail is different
from 10 yards it looks fine except the plastic mags
the closer you look, the more things are different

>>32812423
yeah, I do hate that

>>32812438
y tho?

>>32811787
Okay so you pay attention to detail and get a gun that dies at the 5 or if you're luck, 8k mark. Not
>Aw man, now I got to buy a new barrel and roll pins
But rather
>Great, my fucking rifle is now disassembling itself after half a mag of shooting
There's a number of very good reasons why if you ever manage to find an STG in the US, it's rarely shot. They beat the shit out of themselves. Weld, custom machined roll pins and parts can only get you so far.

The only other option would be, instead of stamping would be to take large sheets of thick billet steel, machine the bloody grooves, then bend it, weld and assemble, like how the SCAR is made.

Then the issue becomes how it's not the right KIND of aesthetically appropriate.

>>32806382
If you don't like the original you're a ___boo.

>>32802529
If you've already got a 5.56 version you might as well have a .300 version since you've only got to change the barrel.

>>32803345
I mean they still could make it look quite close to the original, i'm not quite sure why they didn't copy the original stamping pattern for example.

>>32795382
I mean they should have copied the stamp lines to satisfy people, can't be that hard.

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>>32795225
God that thing looks so fucking ugly. Like some faggot spent one afternoon in his garage and expects you to pay 2k for it. I thought that the whole point of repo stg was for it to look like one but chambered in modern round. This shit looks like a toy. I thougt it was going to look like pic related but with different mag.

>>32812497
there's so much middle ground between these two options
HMG could have done the internal improvements while maintaining the external appearance more closely
this would have increased the cost, but if they can het this close for 1800, they could do a whole lot fucking better and still keep it under maybe 2500

I don't know, I'm not in the business

to me, it seems like this gun only makes it's pricepoint by cutting corners and if they increased the pricepoint by a few hundred, they could make it look much better
if they dropped the silly multi-cal shit, they could jave saved dev time (and cost) and madw the magwell and mags look better
other companies make reprop StG mags for 130
they could ship with one of those and still make polymer mags for range blasting

but HMG clearly doesn't care about making a good repro
this is a lookalike fantasy gun for casual shooters and collectors who are ok woth a gun that "is in the spirit of" and StG
that's fine, but I think HMG cut off a larger aegment of the market than they thought by mucking up the external appearance
maybe I'm wrong, but I wont be buying regardless
if they come out with a v2 with an improved trigger group that takes original mags, I'd save my pennies and get one if they could do that for under, say, 3k

>>32795225

>New production STG's in modern cartridges

This sounds about as smart as someone starting to manufacture Mosin-Nagants in 6.5 Creedmoor.

>>32795225
It's an HK disguised as an stg.
I'd still get one. For range cred.

>>32797255
It was replicas, even in the 70s STGs where expensive as jew gold

>>32799369
You must be so new

>>32814181
Not really true, but I can see why you think so.
>part of that is I expect you to be a fag who jumps to conclusions

>>32813756
Most people across the world still say you should give each caliber it's own bolt even if they are the same.

Still easy replacement parts if they are all the same.

>>32813764
I bet you have a vast production and manufacturing background too, so your befuddlement is really telling!

>>32814071I hope no one ever listen to these days when it comes to development. The only reason I bought this rifle is all the things you hate about it.

You hate all the functionally useful/nice thins and are pooping the bed over the bulgey lines not being right?

The fuck ever, ishiggydiggy famalamasenpaidingdog.

>>32812240
Don't overwhelm him.

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What's funny about these HMG STG threads is the lengths ppl sperg out over some pressed lines on the lower receiver. The rest of the gun looks spot on but they don't care

These are the same fags that get excited that ATI will import a die cast shell, bolted together, rotating bolt turd they call an "MP40", but shit on a stamped steel tilting bolt 90% parts interchangeable STG that costs as much as a good quality AR.

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>>32812462
Because it already exists. And doesn't look as retarded.

>>32818015
What is that, a Bergmann?

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>>32818039
Chinese sort of pdw thing.

>>32818075
How similar is it to an actual Mauser C96?

>>32818012
the GSG things are shit too

>>32795490
seeing as they're new production and not some bubba'd shit, I'm okay with this. serious star wars looking shit.

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>>32795490

>>32818633
Why does the "LMG" version have that hook in the stock?

>>32818682
Because it's not real.

>>32818716
What function is it SUPPOSED to serve?

>>32818745
Supposed to allow you to control the rifle with your non-firing hand when prone. Lots of LMGs have do this.

>>32818768
*Lots of LMGs do this.

>>32795382
Wow. I wouldn't have minded if they put some things differently, but at least switch it out instead of "same sized lines on top of each other". Maybe if they get enough orders they can make their gen 2 STG better.

>>32818806
Are you really/actually autistic or just pretending?

>>32818839
Are you paid to shill here or are you doing it for free?

>>32818768
How does that work?

>>32818850
He kid, you always do it for free.

Getting paid is being fake.

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>>32818871
Basically same as pic related.

>>32818871
front of the gun is supported by the bipod when prone so you dont need to place your hand on the handguard to hold the gun up. you stick that hand on the stock instead.

>>32818894
>>32818914
I am saying I don't see how that funky stock s have is conducive to this. The picture you posted looks like a AR collapsing stock and he is grabbing the smallest part. So why are LMG stocks thicc like that?

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>>32819107
the dude picked a real shit image to show this idea off but basically you use your off hand to grab the stock by the hook and pull it towards your shoulder. Its supposed to steady the rifel while firing prone.

>>32819169
Oh, I see. Is this T of questionable real life utility? Because it looks like it helps like a sugar pill.

>>32795301
your mother's a MAC episode

>>32818012
No, th epeople saying this Hmg rifles look like shit are the same ones saying those clamshell abominations are shit too. The guys sayin "it's only a little diffrent lol r u autistic?" are the ones wetting themselves over that blowback
"mp40". They probably "preordered" both too.

>>32819203
Nope. There are people ITT and every thread that laud the clamshell crap that they think looks correct over this STG. Even though it is functionally (the only thing that actually matters) the best option.

>>32819191
you need fullauto and a bipod to appreciate it. its not useful with semi.

>>32819253
If you say so. With those binary triggers becoming more common though, I might want some mitigation.

>>32795370
>useless for reenacting or people who actually care about history
>it's just a toy for naziboo/wehraboo idiots who want to play Schutzstaffel dress up

Same demographic. Cosplay is cosplay no matter if it's SS or Furries or combinations thereof. What they have in common is you can strap on the simulated equipment but you will NEVER, EVER be the real deal.

>>32795736
Five grand isn't much for serious people. It's used motorcycle territory and plenty of people own five or ten of those.

>>32800444
Trips of wisdom.

>>32819535
nah
there are certainly individuals and even whole units that are just farby cosplayers
there are also lots of people that try very hard to accurately portray the history
and everything in between

this will show up at reenactments, but only lazy reenactors will use them
a K98 is more accurate for most impressions

also, German reenacting is way more expensive than Russian, US, or Brit
ex, I spent $200 on my 517th PRCT specific M1 helmet
a good Stahlhelm will run hundreds more than that
I paid $100 for used repop M42s
Wehrmacht uniforms can run $400 easy

point it, reenactors doing a German impression are alrady willing to pay out the ass for quality gear

>>32818233
Exactly the same in use and handling, not similar at all otherwise.

>>32795690

Quality post.

>>32795225
What a time to be alive!

>>32795225
I think I might get when I have the money. Just so I can make it look like the blaster from star wars. I have a bunch of 7.62x39 tracers so I guess I am gonna go fight the empire now. Wish me luck fags.

Also what kind of scope most resembles the one on the blaster that i could mount on this gun? You can mount any scope on this this cause all you do is take off the rear sight and put on a small pic rail.

>>32821748
Post a fugging pic of the blaster already

>>32819561
yeah, but a car/bike fuckin gets you to work, maybe gets you laid

what does V A P O R W A R E do?