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Do POG's have the same exact basic training as grunts?

Do grunts have to go study after basic like POG's?

>>32788876
Yes, to both.

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Why does /k/ hate on the Marines so often? I've strongly considered joining and want to know why /k/ thinks they are shit. What are the pros and cons /k/?

Is the FFL fun?

>>32788949
Because its easy. Its so easy to troll marines.

>>32789048
from what I have heard its not "fun" but its hardcore

>>32789116
How hardcore

Do Forward Observers ever get to use drones?

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>>32789130
Real fucking hardcore. Like people die in training and you go on suicide missions occasionally. Not the worst option if you wanna be the baddest motherfucker ever or have no other options.

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Questions about ROTC.

If you go the ROTC route, are you just getting a normal 4 year college degree + extra military classes, or how does it work?

You are not guaranteed a commission on graduation correct?

What happens if you are not given a commission after completing ROTC?

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>>32789198
>Like people die in training and you go on suicide missions occasionally
That might be a little too hardcore

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How difficult is Green Beret training compared to BUD/S and SQT?

>>32789198
Here's what it is:
Standard marines>standard army
Marine infantry>reg army infantry
Army SOF>MARSOC
Then army has tier 1 and a bunch of other stuff. Basically, marines are better than normal army, but army has the paths to go higher

>>32788949
From what I heard they're only fun to join when there's a war going on.
I guess it didn't get the memo because I ship out in a couple months.

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>>32789248
think you replied to wrong one, but thanks man. Hate how /k/ just shits on the Muhreens. Army from what I can tell is turning into welfare with guns. Marine tradition seems to be too strong to crumble.

>>32789202
>are you just getting a normal 4 year college degree + extra military classes
Yes
At my uni it's a once (or twice, I forget) a week classroom course and 3 days a week basic fitness at 0630.
You are not guaranteed a commission, but they don't decide it at the end of your four years. You get 'contracted' at some point during or after sophmore year, so you'll know whether or not you're gonna make it,
Scholarships are very competitive so don't count on one. But the contract I believe may get your tuition paid.
>what happens if you are not given a commission
You would have to stick with ROTC classes through senior year while failing the whole time, you'd drop the courses before getting to that point.

>>32789239
SFAS is physically demanding, but the q course is more mental.I've heard SEALs personally say Ranger school is harder than BUD/S, and most sf guys wash out of ranger school, but you rarely see a bat guy fail SFQC. So I'd say Ranger School (with rasp), BUD/S, SF

>>32789310
Yeah I did oops, thanks brother. Marines are the most hooah people you'll meet, but in terms of raw ability to perform, the army has better places to go

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>>32789298
Well fingers crossed then I guess. Come at me Habib and Ching Chong Ping Pong Un

>>32789313
in order of difficulty*

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>>32789331
The Marine Brotherhood is literally bro goals

What do if MEPS finds something thats not in line with my paperwork?

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Where does the whole "Marines are elite and Army is sub-par" meme come from?

>>32789429
From marines

>>32789402
You'll have to be more specific. They're not super intensive but if it's obvious, you might be screwed.

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>>32789441
Oh, so it's literally Jarheads saying "Haha you WISH you were covered in this much shit!"

>>32789429
It's a culture thing.

>>32789402
Automatic DQ man. I studied my first set of paperwork the night before I went

>>32789311
>Scholarships are very competitive so don't count on one
What are the qualities they judge for that?
I had a 3.7 in highschool, currently in second year college with a 3.8 in a STEM field. I'm pretty fit as well and training daily.
Is that good enough or are there other criteria?

Even if I could not get a scholarship, could I take out student loans and take the courses?

>>32789248
You know nothing about MARSOC or Army SOF to make any kind of distinction which is "better". Please shut your gay mouth.

>>32789298
>Gets good advice
>Ignores it
You'll make a fine Marine.

>>32789465
So I can't say I forgot if it ain't serious? Mainly concerned that I put down no medications but I take over the counter allergy meds

>>32789548
MARSOC future wash out detected

>>32789527
>3.8 in a STEM field. I'm pretty fit as well and training daily.
In all likelihood you're good to go then
They look at PT and GPA pretty much entirely

>Even if I could not get a scholarship, could I take out student loans and take the courses?
Yes certainly, if you're in school and passing the courses, you're set. Next you would just have to worry about getting contracted, which if you're doing well in the ROTC courses, you will.

>>32789573
>Mainly concerned that I put down no medications but I take over the counter allergy meds
That's minor as hell, don't worry about it, they won't give a fuck
Just don't say anything about it because then they have to put it in the system
For that sort of thing that won't come up, just stay consistent

>>32788949
Marines are the Westboro Baptist Church of the Military.

>>32789429
Recruiting lies that have been ingrained into the Muhreen culture.
>Do my time in the Army as 11B
>2 tours Iraq
>get out and go use that sweet GI Bill monies
>at school, go to lunch room
>Muhreen recruiters set up outside
>walking by, hear recruiter tell some student with a straight face "we are basically the equivalent of Rangers when we graduate from boot camp"
I stopped in my tracks and busted a gut from laughing so hard
the recruiter stopped and looked at me, and the look on his face told me he knew it was bullshit
I stopped laughing, looked at him and just said "No" and walked off. The silence from him told me he knew I was right.

>>32789616

Navy and Army are the two real portions of the military - Air Force is corporation and the Marines are a cult

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>>32789585
You in a nutshell. Get well soon kid.

Is there as much dick waving in the actual military as there is in these threads?

>>32789555
I couldn't care less about the advice.
I choose the Marine Corps because my grandmother was in it and I want to follow in her foot steps.

>>32789679

Depends. On the acquisitions POG side of the AF, everyone fucking hates it and realizes they've been con'd once they are more than a year in.

>>32789662
>Kid
You're a common marine square, thinking marines are the biggest baddest group of killers there are.

>>32789591
>which if you're doing well in the ROTC courses, you will.
That's good.
My biggest worry was that they were just taking anyone who wanted to sign up for the $$$ and just commissioning 2/3 people a year.

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I never did ROTC in high school, but I've been a serious weightlifter for about 4 years and am pretty strong both physically and mentally.

How much will this help me in the Military?

>>32789754

Most of the PFTs are run based. As long as pushups/pullups are easy for you, you'll have a def headstart on your peers.

>>32789781
Cool. I can knock out about 80 push ups in 2 minutes and easily 15-18 pull ups. I'll definitely start running a lot more.

>>32789800
if you can run a 2miler in 13 min, or around there, that's a max pt score

>>32789800
>running a lot more
This, it's pretty much the thing that kills people when they get to boot camp. They can do pushups and situps fine, but if you can't run your shins will attempt to murder your ass. You do NOT want to go to the medical flight to recover for a stress fracture, you'll lose your mind.

>>32789800

I always found that I struggled on the run a lot more than strength - make sure you focus on form too.

I'm out of shape according to the AF because of the running, but strength was easy, which has been a big barrier to me trying to cross train AFSCs.

>>32789679

Being junior enlisted is just like being in a CW high school tv show.

Have fun.

>>32789819
>>32789809
>>32789821
Is biking a good way to condition yourself into it, or should I just straight up dive into the treadmill?

>>32789841

Tread for intervals, run outside for distance. Depending on the surface - you may have to build your shins up. Go for time, rather than miles ran at first, that way you don't feel bad when you you have bad slow days at first.

>>32789841
How much do you run? C25K from day 1 if you "run" twice a year, start at the bottom and work your way up. If you run every other week, start at about week 3. Don't do biking, it won't help as much as just getting your legs used to running.

>>32789841
I've always had a serious personal problem with treadmills, they don't work for me. I don't like that I don't have to push off on a treadmill, and that makes running outside a lot harder

>>32789863
Back when I first starting (again, about 3-4 years back) I would usually knock out a mile in about 8 minutes and change before starting my actual workout.

What >>32789854
said makes a lot of sense, though. Condition yourself by running for a set amount of time and then gradually increase your speed.

/fit/ is not help so can anyone here tell me how to improve my running? im not super out of shape but i cant run a mile without stopping

i hear sprinting helps but what distance/reps should i be doing that?

>>32789885
oh i see the last few posts are about running.

>>32789885
Run with a friend, that always helps.

>>32789885

So I've been struggling on my runs for a while ever since I packed weight on for muscle/ruck marches. Doing intervals, and then a long run on the weekend helped for me - tread helped since I could actively speed myself up each time slightly.

>>32789917
>Doing intervals
can you give me a basic schedule or something like that? im just starting to condition myself and have no experience

Anyone here a naval aviator or SNA? How did you guys prep for your ASTB?

>>32789965

Back when I wanted to hooah hooah Air Assault as an AF cadet, I did intervals in 400m, 800m for goal pace, with a minute or two walking break in between for a total of 3 mi running time.

Mon - Interval Runs
Tues - Back/Bis
Wed - Interval Run
Thurs - Chest/Tri
Fri - Long Run
Sat - Legs/Ruck
Sun - Rest or Swim

If you ever pick up the SOFlete workout, that shit is pretty ridiculous too. I just got to the point where I can do the warmup and still have energy for the rest of the workout.

How fast should my 2mile be at the start of RASP? It's like 13:00 if I push myself, but that's not after pushups, situps, and pullups

>>32790265
Stop worrying about two miles no one in regiment gives a shit what your two mile time is, start running five.

>>32790265
13 is fine, maybe....

>>32790310
They say 40min 5 mile is the minimum right?

>>32789654
What about the coast guard?

>>32790353
Yeah but to go to school it's under 39. And you're going to be running in rasp way more than when you get to battalion so your final rasp run is probably going to be faster than you'll ever be again.

>>32789885
Sprinting is retarded unless you're already a very advanced runner. The best way to improve your run is to simply run long distance at a moderate intensity. Seriously just keep fucking running consistently and your run will improve. Running is probanly the easiest thing to improve but it has a huge hump to pass before you really get started. Do couch to 5k or whatever and just keep scaling up until you can run for 5 miles. Then run 5 miles 2 or 3 times a week and try to improve your time. THEN you can start considering sprints.

>>32790414
Oh alright. thanks!

salty ass 11b 2 weeks from leaving Afghanistan

will answer anything

Mates, I cant seem to find a specific thread or board for this question, might as well ask this here.

I'm looking for a career in FBI, and it requires being a lawyer, does this mean that 4 years of pre law is enough? or is proper law (8 years) the requirement?

thanks

>>32790540
What was there to do for fun?

>>32790540
Do the wish list I make form duty station after osut really make a difference or is it entirely needs of the army?

>>32790540
Keep your ass together until you get home.

>>32790540
Was dat goat pucci tight?

>>32790559
MWR computers, 24 hour gym, laptops with assloads of movies, slingshots, card games (uno was a big hit), Xbox, FOB events such as 5k runs, and LOTS of details. but we did have a ton of rangeitme and I shot a minigun, RPK, carl gustav so it was worth it.

>>32790571
>wish list
what wish list lmao. you'll be guaranteed your first pick for a station when you re enlist.

>>32790578
almost there, only 2 more guard shifts

>>32790589
boy lemme tell u bout dat goat poon. shit was fire

What branch do I join to shoot people

>>32790671
Muhreens will be the most likely to get you combat. It's shit for literally anything else.

>>32790671
Might want to look into justice department jobs instead of military, or ATF if you wanna add dogs to that.

How do I improve my pullups as quickly as possible?
I need to go from 4 right now to at least 10 by next month. Is that even possible?

Why do we need to have the Marine Corps and the Army? I'm thinking of joining the chair force but the Army and Marines seem almost identical to me.

After my assignment in Europe I'll be looking to do blue to green and switch to Army. My goal is the 75th Ranger Regiment, but there's no option 40 contract for prior service. Would my best bet be to go for 11B and pick up a RASP spot whenever I can? How common is it for RASP spots to open up to 11Bs?

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>>32789654
>Navy

>>32790823
From what I understand, the army is mainly an occupation force.


The marines are a strike force.
If the president decided he wants to invade Canada the marines will be deployed and be in the thick of it before the army is even mobilized.

Maybe someone can explain it better.

>>32790862
this makes me ashamed as fuck to be a sthailor right now.

fucking bet it was the filipinos and the women that did this shit.

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what do i do to become this guy? i want to wave my hands around at f-18s all day and eventually make a music video.

>>32791247
those usually AMTs

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Quick question, but what happens after you serve in the military? I wanted to join the Navy as a sailor and serve the 4 year requirement, and I don't know whether to do it before or after finishing college and getting a BFA. I really want to enlist, but I'm afraid that by doing that I'll be losing a lot of opportunities as a multimedia artist by doing two things that aren't related at all to each other.

>>32791538
>multimedia artist
>lots of opportunities

my sides are in orbit.

>>32791542
It's not modern art, and I'm not doing any tumblr-tier shit. If anything, I'll probably go into VFX and 3d modeling.

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>Am pretty damn dumb

>Shooting for Undesignated seaman in navy

what can I expect, i just want to get in.

>>32791555
Please dont
Like seriously im trying to help you dont do that.
Youll be treated like a complete slave. You are the lowest of the low and will want to kill yourself on a daily basis.
Choose a rate man

>>32788876
Army infantry goes through OSUT and it is different than POG basic. The mentality is completely different. >>32789198
Being treated like disposable trash is not hardcore. It's shit.
>>32789313
A lot of GBs fail ranger school because of a lot of bullshit reasons. The majority of the time it's the PT test, and not because they can't pass a PT test but just how Ranger school is ran. Not going to go into much detail but it's not always a fair shot at even getting in.

The SFQC and SFAS both is difficult because of how you can get fucked from any angle. Academically, physically, and by random luck that cadre doesn't like you. So many things can fuck you over in the SFQC. Every phase is demanding and is not easy by any means.

>>32789885
What was really the turning point in running better was controlling my breathing and timing it with my cadence. For example I will breath in for 3 steps, pause breathing in the fourth and out for 3 steps then pause again, repeat. This changes with my pace though.

>>32791555
You will literally have to clean shit. Undesignated seaman is a no go.

>>32789573
If's there's no record of it, it doesn't exist.

>>32789841
Treadmill is good for intervals if you have one that has an incline function.

>>32790401
They're not eve DoD
Kek

>>32790671
LAPD, NYPD or CPD.

>>32790967

100% Muhreen memes.

Army boots are on the ground first every time, often weeks before the Marines arrive.

The Marines have expeditionary capability, they do NOT have rapid deployment capability.

The Army is better equipped and better trained across the board. They can fill more roles and do it more effectively.

The only reason the Marines have become "the second ground force" is that we don't actually use them for what they're intended for anymore.

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I enlisted with an 18x contract. You have to maintain a 240 for the pt test to keep it, I got all 260 until I got a bad stomach virus before the 5th pt test that actually matters and got a 220 something. They yanked me from osut 3 days from graduating infantry school and now they wanna make me a fueler. I hate this fucking place, thinking about getting an entry level separation and enlisting in the marine reserves while going back to school. I loved infantry school, it was fun as hell.

What do y'all think of becoming a nuke in the navy?

>>32792356
>18x
BAHAHAHAHA

You idiot, that was where you fucked up. My buddies who were 18x ALL got reclassed. Army doesn't need you in the infantry.
If you grab an ELS you have piss all chance of going into the military again...army needs numbers and are taking in 16000 soldiers this year alone.

STAY ARMY RECLASS WHEN YOU RE ENLIST

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>>32792395
I can't believe I signed such a bad contract. Now I'm the pogest of pogs. I wish I was dead

>>32792424
To be fair your PT score was nowhere near where you shoulda had it, better you wash out now than later. Army would have reclassed you if you failed at any point on the pipeline.

>>32792356
This is my biggest fear and why i am going to try to go for an 11X or 19D contract with airborne or option 40 instead. 18X seems like a meme to sucker cod kids into shit jobs. The disappointment of washing out seems really bad.

Best of luck to you dude.

>>32790822
Do pullups.

I reserved an option 40 35M slot, when all i really wanted was an airborne school 35M slot. My recruiter told me that if I pass airborne school but don't make it through RASP then I'll still be an airborne 35M and won't get recucked. Is this true?

>>32793117
Sounds legit. You sign up for 35M, if you don't make it into rangers then you won't be a ranger but you'll still be 35M. I don't think you're at any risk of being reclassed.

>>32793117
On a side note: I was told I could renounce my Kyrgyzstani citizenship at MEPS so that I'd qualify for TS clearance but I have no idea how long that would take and I feel like I'm going to get fucked over as a result.

>>32793173
Are you an american citizen? They probably wouldn't let you sign a contract and give you a TS clearance unless you were qualified.

I have the problem that i'm not an american citzien so i can't qualify for any jobs that require security clearance until i do my first contract and then i can reclass. But at my recruitment office we have guys from Columbia and Russia and they both have TS clearance for IT stuff. You should be fine.

American female

What path do I need to take in order to have the highest chance of actually being near or in front line combat

>>32793357
Be a pilot, you'll do the most damage and have a six figure job waiting for you once your out

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Any enlisted guys have stories about retarded females fucking up everything?

>>32793357
Special forces are the only ones doing any real fighting these days. So rangers, navy seal, depends on your branch. You need to be high speed as fuck though.

>>32793427
Are there even any women in any of those?

>>32793427
I saw one female officer in the 160th soar

>>32793457
Seals, no. There has never been a female SEAL. I believe there has been ONE female Green Beret, and 3 female Rangers.

>>32793457
Women are allowed in combat arms these days. As long as you are physically fit i don't think you'll get too much shit. You will have a hard time living up to the physical standards, but if you're up for it then do it.

>>32793473
>I believe there has been ONE female Green Beret
She failed to complete the course

Doing hiking to build up cardio resistance instead of straight running, good idea or no? I just hate having to get out on a track in faggy gym shorts.
I can feel it in my shins after a good hike, if that matters.

>>32793493
Back down to zero.

>>32793493
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/14/first-female-soldier-in-green-beret-training-fails/

>>32793485
What's the army's view on steroid use

>>32793494
You still need running, though. Your PT will have running like it or not
You better start to love running, you're gonna need that.
Hiking is a good thing, but not as an alternative for cardio.

>>32793635
Damn. Okay I'll keep that in mind

>>32789573
Don't say anything if it's over the counter. You'll be fine

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>>32792424
>>32792356
Its 100% your fault. This is why 18x has a bad rep for no reason. Anyone with half a brain would be getting a 300+ way before even considering taking that contract. You got what you deserved.

>>32791918
This. Marines lost their infamous deployment capabilities the day Helicopters became standard rapid deployment vehicles and the capability of establishing Army ground forces overtook the need for naval deployment.

>>32793402
Former gun pilot here, this is false.

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>>32793493
>ranger school and ranger batt are the same things
>>32793494

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Is it true the army has the fastest career advancement rates?

I want to do IT work and i'm having a hard time picking a branch. It seems like I will be doing the same thing no matter what.

>>32793834
as far as promotions go yes the army does have the fastest, and completing schools like airborne, air assault, ranger etc, helps you rank up faster

>>32793878
Cite a source please cause i know some Navy jobs will rank up insanely fast, not saying youre wrong but id like to read it for myself.

>>32793890
Its from experience you faggot

>>32793899
Ok so i was trying to be nice and you go off and call me a faggot. Well how about this faggot, ive seen some jobs make E-7 in 7 years in the navy and E-8 in 11. Thats my experience faggot.

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>>32793834
This guy is me.
>>32793890
This guy is not me.

>>32793878
>>32793908
Iv heard army ranks the fastest, but iv also heard the navy has some type of take a test gain a rank system that also lets them rank extremely fast.

Was looking for more info on how both work.

>>32789754
TBQF anon, high school JROTC is as far from the real military as the Boy Scouts of America is.


Literally the only thing in common is the personal drama bullshit but that's because a significant portion of people coming in are late high school age.

>>32794004
Do ROTC have to do a bootcamp after graduation or is that built into the program?
I can't imagine ROTC is 4 years of boot camp.

>>32790967
>From what I understand, the army is mainly an occupation force.
>The marines are a strike force.

Here's a pro tip anon, and I'm not shitting on you personally:

Whenever anyone ever attempts to explain anything about the military to you and they start with

"Basically X branch/MOS/unit is..."

you can safely disregard everything they are about to say in 99% of cases.

The specific example you present is dumb because the Army and Marine Corps are both combined arms organizations. They both have armor, arty, infantry/mech infantry, air craft, and even small watercraft. And then they both have parallel combat support and service support units.

Organizationally they are different, but they are combined arms organizations capable of meeting pretty much the same mission set.

If, for example, you look at a Marine mech infantry company and an Army mech infantry company, they are going to have identical METLs (Mission Essential Task Lists).

>>32793117
Yes, it's true.

You will go through the 35M school house. At the end of it you will have the 35M skill level 1 MOS.

Then you will go to Basic Airborne Course. Then you will have the skill modifier for airborne and you jump wings.

Then you will go to RASP. If you wash out you still keep those other two things.

>>32793517
Probably the same as the Federal government: illegal.

But I never saw anyone get popped for AAS.

>>32793981
>Was looking for more info on how both work.
In the navy you test on the knowledge of your job. Then that score you get factors into your total ability to rank up. Other things are time in rate, awards, evals points, PNA points and some other stuff. At the end of the day the most important thing is to get into a rate that is undermanned and hard to get cause they will be promoting at a very high % considering they need to fill slots.
At least thats the way it was but theyre in the process of overhauling the whole system and im not sure what changes theyll be making.
You said you were looking at IT but im assuming youre open to crypto/intelligence type jobs?

>>32794020
>Do ROTC have to do a bootcamp after graduation or is that built into the program?
>I can't imagine ROTC is 4 years of boot camp.

Do you mean ROTC in college?

>>32794082
cont. If you are the female anon asking about this:

Any gain you're going to get from AAS will come with a slew of permanent medical side effects that the vast majority of men who use gear aren't going to experience.

So you will probably be able to keep up with the middle of the pack of guys at an infantry unit, maybe. But in return you're going to fuck yourself up totally. Just to have your T levels a little below most men. And you're going to look like you're on gear, so you'll probably get targeted for a urinalysis.

>>32793732
Because you can't fly helicopters closer from a Navy carrier, right?

Oh I dunno, just a simple prior 0311 who understands military logistics.

Didn't mean to ruin your fun time.

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Found this on wikipeida for army drill instructors:
>Currently, the Army's Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC) has sought to shift this authority away and has moved closer to what is known as "Schofield's Definition of Discipline."

>It is now a punishable offense to use demeaning or derogatory terms to refer to recruits or trainees, and terms such as "warrior" or "Soldier" are more preferable. Additionally, it is a serious offense to punish recruits or trainees with "excessive" physical exercise, now known as hazing.

Holy shit is this real?
It's actually sourced but dam.

>>32794095
Yea

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>>32788760
Recently lost my job as a Dental Assistant due to budget cuts in the office I worked at. I'd like to find another job as a dental assistant but the job market is pretty flooded where I live. (Shreveport, LA, if you're curious) I'm also considering joining the military because I feel it would be a bit more stable income wise and it is something I've kinda had in the back of my mind for a while. I was looking at either the air force or the navy. Heck, maybe I could even be a dental assistant for the military! lol I'd love any advice from anyone who is currently serving or otherwise. Thanks in advance.

>>32794150
>Because you can't fly helicopters closer from a Navy carrier, right?
>a simple prior 0311
>simple
Ya we can tell because you completely misunderstood his point.

>>32794191
When I was in they even moved from calling it "getting smoked" to calling it "getting CAPEd" (Corrective Action through Physical Exercise).

But I only heard people who went through TRADOC after I did call it that.

>>32794206
No, the two to four years are your basic training. There is a 4 week LTC (leadership training course), and if you're doing well in class standing you can go to different courses during your summers like basic airborne or air assault.

If you do Simultaneous Membership Program (enlist in a reserve or national guard unit while in ROTC) you will go to basic training. And then you'll start wearing the cadet rank at your unit. You will be treated with general military courtesies, but most enlisted will laugh at you behind your back because you'll probably be a dumb fuck.

>>32794087
>crypto/intelligence type jobs?
crypto no, intelligence yes.
I can't figure out what the military means when they use words like "crypto" or "cyber".

To me crypto means cryptology, as in math and ciphers, but it it seems to be interchangeable with foreign language translator.

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>>32794222
You tried.

.5/10

If anyone has any questions about ranger batt, school, or rasp or anything I'll be here for a little bit.

Is it possible to join with 5 prior charges? all misdemeanors?


Burglary of a MV x 2
Attempted Burglary of MV
Assault causing bodily injury
Possession of weed lowest amount

>>32794207
Any college?

>>32794243
Nah cahnces are you misunderstand the jobs cause the names are weird. Crypto jobs are way better than IT jobs.
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/enlisted/community/crypto_it/Pages/CTN.aspx
Read this, CTN is like the best crypto job in the whole military. If you were gonna take a great job this is the one.

>>32794244
Im not joking you literally didnt understand what he meant.

>>32794304
All most certainly not now. Wait until our next war and youll be fine.

>>32794304
You are a fucking loser. No. I don't even think the Army would take you.

Are there any 19Ks or people who can tell me about it here?

>>32794330
How are Crypto jobs better than IT jobs? Any info regarding that to the Marines?

>>32794313
Yeah I have a B.A. in Music, but I went trough I training program after that for dental assisting. Does that help?

>>32794150
>lets just fly marines on helis into Afghanistan from the carrier guise

>>32794243

Crypto - Code making/breaking. Cryptolinguistics is basically where language skills meet intel. Not all linguists are cryptolinguists. If you're just translating and not doing intel stuff, you're an interpreter which is its own field.

IT - "Signals" in the Army, "Cyber" in the Air Force. This is tech maintenance and support. Everything from the basic physical work (laying out spools of cable) to the complex high-level stuff (global network architecture).

Cyber - Everywhere but the Air Force, "cyber" carries the connotation of cyberwarfare. This is what USCYBERCOMMAND does, as well as its subordinate elements. That means fighting wars in the cyber domain, not just maintaining equipment for other efforts. That includes both defense and offense.

>>32794506

I've met some good technical Marines, but on the whole those fields aren't easy to access and they're generally treated like shit. They get promoted slower, and get less training/experience. I'd recommend any other branch, including the Coast Guard, over Marines if you're interested in doing nerd stuff.

>>32788760
Besides nuke are there any other memes I can sign up for?

>>32795192

EOD is a pretty intense meme. A lot of people signed up after watching The Hurt Locker, but with the wars winding down they're kicking out EOD left and right.

It's a job field that was pretty much created in the early-2000s when we had a fuckton of people dying to IEDs. Now that we're not fighting those wars anymore, they're realizing that EOD can go back to being a tiny piece of the force.

Any anons have any tips for osut? Im going 31B, MP, and would like some advice from people who arent my recruiters.

I got shafted into a 5 year contract with an 8k bonus. I was trying to push them into giving me a 4 year, no bonus, but they wouldnt budge on it for the past 2 months. Originally I wanted to get 31K, dog handler, but its too fucking rare. So I settled on MP.

My PT score is 80 across the line, so im not too worried about that.

Does anyone know about any of the extra schools and trainings MP can do? And if im able to sign up or put in a packet for them during OSUT, or have to wait until first duty station? The reason I chose MP specifically is because I want to attend these extra schools.

Im going enlisted because I got bills to pay, and there was no guarantee for MP officer in active or reserves. I want to eventually do CID, or NCIS, or similar once Im done. I cant apply for them now because I need money and dont have the option of waiting 1+ year for a call back. Ive already wasted 6 months trying to go officer and waiting for 31K. I already have a shitty bachelors degree in computer science and I plan to work on a CJ type masters while im in, probably forensics of some sort.

>>32794789
Any other advice anybody?

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Any sailors here? I've been thinking of enlisting in the navy as a sailor, but it's mostly so I can travel by sea. If that's the case, should I just become a regular trade sailor? Which has more benefits, and allows more time to study while abroad?

>>32795437
If you want to continue being a dental assistant, go for it in the military. Its super chill and relaxed, lifestyle wise.

Every dental person I knew in the army, at every base, did their own PT, and had 2 hour lunch breaks if not more.

>>32788760
How hard is it to get diver in army

>>32794243
>look im projecting

>>32794252
did you pass ranger school? If so, I go in this summer and I can max my PT, 38min 5 mile after PT test. Is there anything else I should work on?

>>32793427
>high speed low drag
sanic

Ok so I ship out on Tuesday next week but I lost my Social Security card. I'm requested a replacement earlier this week and should get it this weekend. Incase I don't get it in time would a certified copy of my SS card be accepted?

>>32795954
Go to the social security office with your recruiter. They can give you a print-out immediately which is accepted by MEPS.

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Sensitive skinned guy here. I've usually used electric razors all my life to prevent ingrown hairs, but since the AF is extremely strict about keeping your facial hair off, can anyone recommend me a good manual razor brand and shaving cream?

>>32795028
Well thanks for the info and I don't regret my choice to be a Marine.

>>32791247
Standing on deck 24/7 is pretty shitty, the weather out at sea doesn't always agree with you and there is always the jet plane risks present.

Might be pretty cool to be near fighters that way though.

>>32796252
>manual razor
>manual

Lets get one important thing out of the way first:
>http://www.realmenrealstyle.com/5-razor-types/

I have a pretty sensitive body, but I've never had a problem with shaving. I use cheap disposable razors with economy shaving cream, and basic after shave. I usually shave sideways as well.

>budget
I mainly use Bic disposable razors, their single bladed ones worked perfectly for military shaving and if I shaved against the grain I could even pass through two inspections in a row without getting caught. Big chance of cutting yourself though.
>mid tier
Bic also make cartridge razors. They work, not the best I've used but none has been this cheap though and they are quite usable.
>consumer retard grade
Gillette's cartridge razors are the best I've used and they are very safe againt cutting yourself. But they are very expensive and you basically have to shave twice if you want anything near a close shave. They are better for civilian life since time and daily comfort is more important than worrying about a sergeant measuring how tall your chin lawn is with a ruler every morning.

I mean, after all, they are designed for business men to intentionally leave a slight stubble that will show how much hair they have to show off their man-level while also giving the impression of a guy who is professionally maintaining his exterior.

Board didn't select me, boo hoo. Is it possible to re-apply if I were to get more qualifications/war were declared?

>>32796654
>Is it possible to re-apply if war were declared?

Start war mongering more on /int/ if you cant wait another five years or so.

>>32795474
PT....you mean physical training right? Sorry but I'm a little bit unsure what that stands for?

You get a big bonus for re enlisting right?
Why would anyone enlist for 8 years over 4?
Is the 8 year bonus that much better?

>>32796742
Depends on what specialty you are in and how you plan your career. Force shaping changes bonuses all the time. You really need to look up current, specific examples because there is no general example.

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>>32791707
Better watch your tongue before the coastguard goes and fucks you up.

>>32797340
S-sugoi Costguard-kun!

Also for what fucking purpose!

>>32795625
literally one of the hardest MOSes to complete AIT for. nearly 50% washout rate

t.12B with platoon mates who were re-classed divers

>>32796444
Dude don't believe /k/ memes. Army are fucking mouth breathers.
.
Welcome to the club devil pup.

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Be honest, how often will the average serviceman have to deal with dependents if they aren't a 1SG or a commander of a stateside unit?

Pic related, the craziest fucking dependent on Earth.

>>32797433
I think that was for a Soviet movie.

>Honorable separation after 7 months in for PT failure
>Completed BCT
>Recruiter says I might not get a choice for my MOS if i reenlist

Is this guy fucking me over?

>>32795467
Navy vet.
What do you want to know?

>>32796742
No sch thing as an 8 year re-enlistment.

>>32797482
Branch?

>>32797505
Army. Was active

>>32797505
>No sch thing as an 8 year re-enlistment.
Not talking re-enlistment.
I mean if you know you want to do 8, I would think 4+4 would be better then signing up for 8.

But what >>32797073
said makes sense.

>>32797535
Ok well you cant enlist for 8 either. Its always soe active time + some IRR time. There is no such thing as enlisting for 8 straight years active.

>>32795410
Bump

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Tankers pls answer my questions, pls tankers pls

>>32797505
Just wanna know how much free time you get to for stuff like studying while traveling abroad, for something like the four year tour. Also just in general, what's it like in the navy?

Is there a pastebin of all good MOSes for Army yet?

What are my chances of getting stationed in Germany as someone joining the Army or the Navy? I know German as a second language, and would like to base there if possible.

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>>32798477
You dont know enough to know that that question is impossible to answer. People need to realize the military is a huge company with hundreds of different jobs and situations man.
It can all differ based on your rate, command type, captain, budget situation and so on. Theres really no way to tell.
If we want we can assume youll be a standard sea going rate and be on a normal ship for arguments sake though.
>Studying
Well when youre deployed its nearly impossible. Youre so busy most of the time and when you arent youre gonna want to sleep and when you hit port youre gonna wanna go apeshit. When youre stateside though its definitely possible.
>Whats it like
Again man quality of life and stuff is gonna vary greatly depending on your rate. Life is very different for a
SEALvsNUKEvsSonarTechvsYeoman
So you gotta tell me what rates youre interested in for any type of real answer.

>>32798526
Theres no such thing as "good", it all depends what you want out of the army. Some love intel and thats good for them while some wanna be rangers.

>>32797515
Well i know that prior service guys going into the army pretty much only have 18x available to them so not sure about your case senpai.

>>32798680
>Well i know that prior service guys going into the army pretty much only have 18x available to them so not sure about your case senpai.

As in that's the only one they can take?

>>32796252
Learn how to use a safety razor.
It could end up saving you thousands of dollars in the long run.

>>32798977
That's compared to gilette cartriges. But the more economical disposable razors are really shitty imo and still not as economical as safety razors.

>>32798550
Good chance, I was sent to Germany 2 years after I joined the army, then south korea twice. Good luck in either, both are boring as hell.

>>32797464
Not quite sure I get your question, but the most I ever dealt with dependents was other peoples kids selling shit for school (candy). We had the random bitchy wife/gf that would call in complaining that the morning pts were to loud.

>>32798680
I really don't know much at all, I just wanted to find a job to help pay college tuition, that allowed me to be at sea a good amount of time. I also just wanted a program to help man me the fuck up. I don't know what divisions there are, do you mind explaining a bit to me?

>>32793420
More like fucked by everything, because 85% of all females when I was in got pregnant.

>>32795410
>CJ type masters while im in

Lol

>probably forensics of some sort.

OH MY GOD LMAO

Just wait until you get out and use your chapter 33 to go to a graduate program that's actually worth it.

>>32799050
This for sure. Almost every female will become a whore to get out of work, or not have to pass PT. And god forbid you run into one that out ranks you.

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Question for you all.

I am prior enlisted and ETS'd from active duty as an infantryman in December. I was in the Cav, so I didn't deploy and wasted 3 years dicking around not doing shit. I thought for sure I was done for good, but now that I'm going to school in the Fall, I'm thinking about doing ROTC. So I have a few questions:

Does time in ROTC count as time in service?
Do I get any extra pay for being prior enlisted if I do end up getting a commission?
How hard is it to get an active infantry slot?

>>32796742
>You get a big bonus for re enlisting right?
Depends.

>Why would anyone enlist for 8 years over 4?
I think you may be confused.

When you enlist in the US military you are enlisting for 8 years. What you "negotiate" with your recruiter and MEPS, however, is how much of that time will be spent Active Duty/Active Reserve/Active Guard and how much of that time will be spent in the Individual Ready Reserve (you're not required to report to any unit but you can still be called up to active duty).

The most common is a 4/4 split.

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>>32799046
I mean if you have no clue whatsoever you d like to do on a ship here a link
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/enlisted/community/Pages/default.aspx
On the left hand side under
"Community Managers" ignore "libraries" but click the other options like "Surface Ops" and so on.
Those are pretty much all the job fields. Click them and read the individual rates under each. Come back with questions. It all depends what you want to do
Work outside?
Work with hands?
Work on engines?
Navigate?
Sonar stuff?
You gotta find something that interests you otherwise youre gonna fucking hate your time in.

>>32798708
Not necessarily, its usually ones that are insanely undermanned. Choices are slim since we arent at war and 18x is always available.

>>32799135
Thanks dude, I checked out the options, and I think being a boatswain would probably work best for me, since it involves mostly working with my hands on repair. I also wanted to get into navigation, however. My main concern is I don't know whether to join the navy, or just get a job as a cargo sailor or fisherman, since I'll probably have more free time with the latter.

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>>32795625
>>32797452
How about with the Navy?
My career goal is to be a commercial diver.
I know the navy has the diver "challenge" program. i know nothing of it, and have not talked much with my recruiter.

I'm currently trying to get processed with the navy, and am not sure whether or not to go active, or do the reserves while I go to school and continue working for a dive school.

>>32799600
>know whether to join the navy, or just get a job as a cargo sailor or fisherman
Why not both?
Join the Navy and do your 4 then get out with a load of experience and you can go from there in any direction you want
ALSO
Considering your plan BM is perfect cause BMs do lots of things with seamanship and dirving the ship so thatd set you up perfectly to go Merchant marines fi you want. Not gonna lie BM is a tough thankless job but if your plan is to go into General sailoring after the navy its the perfect job to prepare you for it.

>>32799636
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/enlisted/community/specwarops/Pages/DIVER.aspx
Read up

>>32799641
As much as I would love to continue sailing afterwords, I also wanted to get into classical fine art. I just want to get into sailing as a way to pay for college and get some experience.

>>32799722
Well you cant beat the navy then. You get the Gi Bill man, college for free after.

>>32799766
>>32799641
>>32799135

holy fuck, an actual recruiter in this thread. Only a dedicated one like you would post links to bupers.

>>32799600
do NOT go BM even if it's one of the options they give you. it's probably one of the worst rates you can get. also avoid HT, AM, CS

So if I can score well on my ASVAB, qualify DLAB, and do alright on PT but have shit vision, what's the least POGy MOS I can take? I'm not signing up to be a ditchdigger or gun-toting welfare queen any time soon, but I'd like to do something that actually fucking matters and I'm a bit sketchy on if Intelligence would be at all fulfilling.

Also, I'm sure this is a huge longshot, but is there any way to get the military to pay for corrective eye surgery?

>>32799800
>holy fuck, an actual recruiter in this thread
Nah just a vet, and bupers has the best info man

I agree BM sucks but it sounded like what he wanted it so idk

>>32799832
fair enough, but bupers also doesn't tell you the reality of what you'll be doing. can't knock you for wanting to help though, my bad. I take it Navy? What rate were you?

>>32799861
Youre right, its definitely meant to sell you with flowery language a bit.
OS
Loved it.
You?

I joined Army to become a tanker, finish OSUT for 19K and got sent to a Stryker Brigade. Finish my shitty contract crewing an MGS (more like Mobile Garbage System) in an infantry unit, with no deployments of my 3 active years. Anyone else is angry about not doing the job they picked?

>>32799946

OS is a pretty good deal.

AM. not loving it.

After my re-enlistment i had to reapply for c-way and for the first time i can remember i'm eligible to convert. on my first look I applied for AZ, didn't get it, 2nd look nothing was open so i declined to use my look. I have 1 more look before i have to try an in rate and i'd rather not stay as an AM frankly. We'll see what happens/

>>32800017
You on a carrier?
I was on cruisers. Small ship navy is the way to go man.

I've been prepping myself for OCS. Need to still go talk to recruiters. However what's better, Army or Navy? I have a particular affinity to the Navy. Great Grandfather was an Admiral of the Ottoman Mediterranean fleet.
Grandfather was an Army colonel of the Albanian communist regime. Dad was a lieutenant, mom was a sharpshooter.
I've heard that with the Navy people get bored quick, and with the Army people get tired quick.

>>32799803
I have a buddy who works intel for Interpol. He loves it. Another friend who claims he left the military but is totally doing intel for the Army. No clue if he likes it.

How difficult is it to get your degree while in the military?

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>>32799131
>Individual Ready Reserve (you're not required to report to any unit but you can still be called up to active duty).
THANK YOU I always wondered what people were talking about with reserve.

If you are in reserve do you still get payed?
Does being in reserve mean you are free to live a normal civilian life? Get a job all that?

>>32800083
Also how is life after enlistment? I'll be 24 now. I have a degree in Business, finance, economics. I kind of also want to do the merchant marine and work as an engineer. But I've heard horror stories from people about having a love life (aside from fucking skanks and hookers). How well do families do in the military really? And what kind of prospects open up after the military in the civilian world, especially as a former officer.

>>32800042
Did a 5th fleet deployment on a carrier, then went to a detachment and did rimpac on a DDG. The food on the small boy was way better and so were the lines, but i found it a little claustrophobic. if i had done things the other way around i'm sure i'd prefer small boys

>>32800227
Ya the community is so much more tight knit cause you see everyone on a daily basis.

>>32800153
>How well do families do in the military really?
Horribly. Youre going to cheat and so is she.

Anyone else going to Navy OCS the 29th?

>>32790429
Not sprinting as such but interval training is very valuable for getting a run time down, 400, 800, 1200 meter runs with a goal time at or below the pace you are targeting. Don't do this kind of training every day however, or if you do for a while take a proper rest on completion.

Pack fitness becomes more important than running, even though that kind of mid distance running is a good indicator of overall endurance and a good way to vaguely train it.

True endurance is a mental game and every time you complete a long ruck or run while sleep deprived, hung over or otherwise dehydrated or in a field environment the next one will only look easier. The military will give you plenty of chances to make these mental gains but start making a habit of never quitting

>>32800099
Maybe I'm overly anxious, I'm just worried about getting stuck with desk work so pointless it hurts to talk about

What are the odds of going to Airborne School if I don't have it in my contract?

I'm 68W

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I want to do 11B option 40, and then do SFAS, so that incase I fail I actually go back to my regiment and not reclassed like some 18X cod babbys.

Rate my plan /meg/

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Unrelated: I also have an interest in going Recon Marine MOS 0321, anybody have any info on this? Is the marine corps handing out these contracts to newly enlisted?

>>32800574
1. You're dumb as shit
2. You're a piece of shit
3. Seriously go fuck yourself

>>32800604
Wow. I'm honored!

>>32789885
seriously, look into couch to 5k, it helped with my over all stamina, not too much to over all times but definitely helped my long distance without stopping

The only thing I want when joining the military is my own room. I don't want a room mate.

What branches have the best and worst for getting your own room?

>>32793473
>3 females passed ranger school
>after making exceptions
>3 females did not attempt RASP
>3 females do not live by the scroll
>3 females have a tab

>>32789429
Honestly. I think it's because of the 12 weeks of basic training.
With every other branch only being 8 weeks.
The extra 4 weeks makes them seem better and more hardcore.

Also the slogan.
“The Few. The Proud. The Marines.”

>>32800708
>airforce
>coast guard
>navy
>army
>muhreens

>>32800732
Really Coast Guard that high huh?
Do you go up any ranks with college credits?

I don't know much about coast guard.

Live pretty far from recruiter too I think.

My recruiter is dicking me around I think and I think he wants to DQ me.
What do?

>>32800574
I got 11x op 40. Family is all in SOF. They all say once you get to regiment, they beat that SF shit out of you. Apparently rangers are more squared away, and they make fun of sf, but thats just my second hand knowledge. GL and I hope you make it through the pipeline

>>32800862
Find another recruiter. They compete for your signature, and the least it will do is motivate your recruiter to change his mind

>>32788949
>>32789654

Are they like the Waffen SS of the USA ?

>>32801240
No other recruiters for the branch exist in a 30 minute radius.
Should I 'threaten' to switch branches then?

>>32800862

how so?

>>32801319
He wants me to sign for shit that isn't true.

>>32801283
I mean, don't outright say "If you don't do x, I'll go to y." But you can say stuff like you wanna leave asap, so you've been looking at navy/AF/army/Marine quick ship or something. They usually cave when you threaten. I was told I had to wait 8 months for my contract, and after one call to the other army recruiting station, I got it the next day

>>32801378
My recruiter seems like he almost doesn't even want me.

>>32800574
Please don't attempt it if you think you can fail.Once you're in regiment, you have 24 months and one try to pass ranger school, or you're put to the needs of the army. op 40 guys usually go within two months after rasp, so if you think you won't be ready in 6 months after you ship, you're gonna be shafted by the regiment

>>32801407
Then make the drive to the other recruiter. You won't have to go more than once a week, and it will probably make things easier and faster, plus you'll be more likely to get what you want

>>32800732
this anon speaks truth.
best list.

>>32801811
also notice my dubs.

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>>32800708
>the only thing I want in my military experience is privacy and dignity

Lol

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>want to enlist as an Officer
>need a Bachelor's degree (120 credits)
>only have 33

These two years cannot go by soon enough.

>>32802421
>enlist as an Officer

>>32802428
What's the proper terminology?

>>32802431
Commissioning?

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>>32802432
Maybe some day. At least this gives me time to make sure I'm even stronger than I am now and can go get back into running.

>>32800150

In the IRR you can sit on your ass and eat weed brownies until you're 400lbs. You don't do anything and you don't get paid, it's basically a list of people to call up before we start drafting random civilians.

>>32800721
A female passed RASP earlier this month, anon. First one ever.

>>32799063
Why wouldnt i do it while in?

Whats wrong with a masters in something like computer forensics?

If it werent for having no money, i would have applied for a job at fbi or some shit and waited the whole year for a call back. But i have no money, so i am enlisting to save up money.

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What's it like to finish college while in the military? Are you guaranteed a spot in OCS if they know you're actively working towards your degree while you're enlisted, or is it better to get your diploma and then talk to a recruiter after?

I am about to go to university. Is it better to go through ROTC and commission as an officer, or just enlist after I finish university?

I'm looking into Navy and Army at the moment.

>>32802502

Got Bachelors and Masters in the Army, but I was a desk job and had no social life. If you're not in a desk job and want to do anything except study in your off-time, expect it to take a long time to get degrees.

While you're in service, tuition assistance only covers $4k/year too. You can get a little more from grants/scholarships, but you aren't going to be going anywhere expensive without taking out some loans.

>>32802600

>better

Depends on what you want, anon. Officers get better compensation, get treated better, and have far more autonomy. They also get less career control and have an entirely different focus.

A lot of people will just tell you "Go officer if you can", but that isn't the right answer for everyone.

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Ok, so here's the dealio.

I'm gonna graduate college in the spring of 2018. My dream is to become a flight warrant officer. I'm about to visit a recruiter to get the ball rolling next week.

Anything specific I should know?

>>32788760
I'm in the IDF.
AMA

The recruiters at the army station I visited told me that if I enlisted in the Army then I would come in as a Specialist with an E4 pay rank because I have a Bachelor's Degree.

Aside from being issued a higher pay, can someone tell me more about what this means?

>>32803610

Higher pay is the big thing.

Theoretically it means you can try for E-5 faster. Realistically, most people who join at E-4 still don't get E-5 until they've been in 3+ years.

>>32803902
I see. Now that I remember it, I think one of the recruiters also mentioned that my sign on bonus could be bigger because of my degree too.

MEG, was wondering if anyone experienced with Naval Special Warfare are here.

I'm putting together a package to apply for BUD/S through OCS. Thought I'd ask you guys if my profile was competitive.

Double Major 3.6 GPA in different linguistic fields.
3.3 GPA overall at a small, elite, liberal arts college.
President of a club
Vice president of honor society and my frat.

Fluent in Russian, and working on getting conversational in Dari/Farsi.

2 years real estate work experience.

Thanks lads.

>>32804158
You're competitive for OCS. I do think they want you to test and see how well you pass the physical fitness requirements. OCS SEAL slots are rare so good luck. You could apply for Intel too if you do well on the ASTB

>>32802762
your recruiter is gonna tell you to make some small lies when you're at MEPS. Even if you choose to be 100 percent honest don't fuck him over.

>>32804263
What lies?

>>32804305
mostly medical stuff.

>>32804258

Thanks for the input. Everything I've read shows that the physicality aspect is of extreme importance (~8;30 run & swim in the high 7s). I actually took a 6 month career break to kickstart my fitness training. Did a lot bodybuilding in college, so my cardio was lacking.

german fag here,
thought about joining our military for 4 or 4 1/2 years after I finish HS next year.
Should I go enlistened (Mannschaften) or lower NCO (Unteroffizier)?
Enlistened positions open are mostly regular grunt jobs (infantry, combat medic, AF security forces).
The NCO positions I consider would be repairman for avionics, repairmen for jet engines and signal intelligence analyst (35N).
What should I choose?

>>32804839
go enlisted. shoot browns.

>>32802502
>Whats wrong with a masters in something like computer forensics?

You didn't specify computer forensics.

And where I'm at the computer forensics graduate programs is under the Computer Science department, not Criminal Justice.

Mostly because CJ and CJ degrees are a literal meme. Unless you are a cop right now who needs civilian education to move up within your agency, I would avoid CJ degrees. If you're trying to go federal, specifically FBI, they are looking for specific skills. I.E. not CJ educations.

>Inb4 the same anon from last time talks about how majority of applicants are CJ degree holders

Well no fucking duh, but that doesn't tell the whole story. You have to look at the percentage of people who get hired with CJ vs how may with CJ apply and compare it to people with non CJ degrees who get hired vs those who apply.

And I'm telling you this straight from the mouth of two FBI human resources people (who are agents with experience working in the field but were doing a tour in HR) I talked to in the Hoover building.


>i would have applied for a job at fbi or some shit and waited the whole year for a call back. But i have no money, so i am enlisting to save up money.

So you're going to wait at least five years to get in.

>>32804158
Is a ocs spec war still undeclared if you fails bud/s?

>>32800150
>THANK YOU I always wondered what people were talking about with reserve.

Well they could be talking about the Active Reserve, which means you go to drill once a month at a unit and are supposed to do AT (active duty for training) two weeks a year.


>If you are in reserve do you still get payed?

If you are in the Active Reserve, yes. If you're in the Individual Ready Reserve (Inactive Reserve), no.

>Does being in reserve mean you are free to live a normal civilian life? Get a job all that?

Yes, but if you're in the Active Reserve (actively drilling with a unit) you're required to show up to Drill and you're required to go to AT. And you can get orders to deploy.

>>32800153
>And what kind of prospects open up after the military in the civilian world, especially as a former officer.

Anything that gives veteran preference unless it's specifically applicable to what you did in the military.

But, and I think this is important and should probably be in the OP, being in the military and getting out IS NOT A GUARANTEE OF EMPLOYMENT IN THE CIVILIAN WORLD REGARDLESS OF MOS. You need to make yourself employable because you're not only competing with fellow veterans for jobs but you're competing with non veteran civilians for jobs, and it's likely your civilian peers have been building up specific experience and education in their field while you were dicking around cleaning the company area and sometimes shooting guns.

>>32804931

Yes. From my research you end up as a SWO or wherever the navy needs you.

The key is to not fail.

>>32805054
Well I hope you let them kill you before you quit. Good luck anon

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>>32790862
>>32790981

no, this makes you ashamed as fuck

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>>32800725

>>32805101

Thank you. They're going to have to.

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>>32805198
This is why you kick your enlisted personnel's ass. Because they do gay shit when you aren't kicking their ass.

>>32805768
Except the guy in that picture is either an ensign or ltjg you retard

>>32805874
First off thats a O-3 LT

>>32805768
Spoken like a complete officer wannabe

>>32790671
Army 11x Op 40 atm

>>32804839
Wie funktioniert das bei euch eigentlich?
Darf man eigentlich Unteroffizier nach dem Hochschulabschuss/Abitur werden? Ist das eine besondere Offizierlaufbahn oder was?
Um SIGINT-Linguist bei der VS-Amee zu werden musste ich als einfacher Soldat anfangen
t. verwirrter Amisoldat

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Is it better to talk to a recruiter ASAP to "get your foot in the door" so to speak, or should you only go when you've got all your shit like degrees in order?

>>32806090
Wait
The reason is you are nothing more than a number to a recruiter. Hes gonna try and sell you on something else to get you in and meet his quota. Always know exactly what you want to do before going to talk to a recruiter.

>>32806090
What do you even mean?
Do you already have a degree or not?
Do you know what kind of job you want or not?
But of course, don't talk to a recruiter until you're ready and more or less know what you want.

>>32804911
Yes the university i plan to do the masters online has it under CJ for computer forensics, sorry if that confused you.

Yes ill be waiting 5 years before i can apply for a fed job, but i really do need money quick. Like i said, my original plan was to go officer, but that didnt pan out since there was no chance for MP officer.

Obviously i dont need mil to go leo, but its been in my plan to join mil for a while. I didnt know shit about rotc until it was too late so i lost out on that option.

>>32806090
There is nothing wrong with talking to them, just don't sign anything. They're a great source of information, and it doesn't hurt you at all as long as you DON'T SIGN ANYTHING

>>32805727
How long until you get it all sorted and go? My brother is a seal and he said most people that didn't outright quit but didn't pass usually failed on the swimming or floating portions. My advice would be to get super comfortable in the water

>>32799803
They do.
My recruiter got that lazek shit or whatever on the government's dime.

>air force """"""""""""""""""veteran"""""""""""""""""" makes the least interesting comments in the room compared with the actual veterans

Do air force all brag about their enlistments?

>>32790540
get any bodies over there?

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DONT JOIN THE DISCORD

>>32806353

Nobody who actually had an interesting enlistment is going to be able to brag about it.

Is it possible for a National Guard soldier to volunteer for a RASP spot and do an active deployment with the Ranger battalion? I want to be high speed but I also want to keep my comfy civilian LEO job.

>>32806568
I suppose it's possible, but good fucking luck.

>>32806568
>>32806589
No it's not possible. RASP is active only. You could request to go active duty, but that's not some super special part-time Ranger program, that's just getting released from the guard/reserves and joining active duty.

>>32806568
>wants to join ranger bat
>prioritizes comfy job
I don't think it's the right fit for you anon

>>32806218
>Yes the university i plan to do the masters online has it under CJ for computer forensics, sorry if that confused you.

>masters online

This should really be a red flag bro. What's the name of the online school you plan to go to?

What should I expect going into the navy on an AEFC contract. I'm shooting for FC as my rating.

>>32806589
>>32806663
>>32806709

So is the best I can do SF or AB Guard?

>>32806887
School then hopefully a good NEC and ship.
FC is def better than ET and if you can influence it at all shoot for either a cruiser or destroyer.

>>32806922
Why cruiser or destroyer?

>>32806900
You say you want to keep your comfy job. Someone who goes through the sf/ranger pipeline is not someone who wants to be comfy. I don't think it's right for you, but prove me wrong

>>32806936
Smaller ships are much better overall anyway but especially for an FC. Youre gonna get to work on all the best weapon systems.
5inch
Harpoon
Tomahawk
Sm2s
CIWS
etc

>>32807018
Sound argument. I'll keep it in mind.

>>32788949
I haven't been in during a war, but I can tell you that the peace time Marine Corps in the air-wing is absolutely horrendous and the military as a whole is infected. There's so much fucked up shit I can't even list or remember all of it. It's overflowing with politically correct bullshit and completely inept leaders.

Let's just say, as an example, Marine A is going on meritorious promotion board to get promoted to Corporal. He looks great on paper. He's got a 300 CFT/289 PFT, 23 MCI's completed, and expert on the range, but none of that matters because one of the other Marines that got sent to the board is female. It doesn't matter what she looks like on paper, and there will usually be at least one on a board because most of them get to the fleet and kiss as much ass as humanly possible. I'm not saying every female in the military is like this, but it is entirely possible for them to fuck their way to the top and I've seen many female Corporals that have only been in the fleet for 1-2 months. It just ends up in a dysfunctional command structure because no one respects them, most people laugh at them, and I personally tell them to fuck off if they try to tell me how to do my job.

>>32807466
This is why you commission in and start ruling over people and creating the culture.

In /k/'s opinion what is the most likely theater for a shooting war in the next four years and against whom?